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Ukraine Is Now Using Steam Decks To Control Machine Gun Turrets (vice.com) 86

Thanks to a crowdfunding campaign dating back to 2014, soldiers in Ukraine are now using Steam Decks to remotely operate a high-caliber machine gun turret. The weapon is called the "Sabre" and is unique to Ukraine. Motherboard reports: Ukrainian news outlet TPO Media recently reported on the deployment of a new model of the Sabre on its Facebook page. Photos and videos of the system show soldiers operating a Steam Deck connected to a large machine gun via a heavy piece of cable. According to the TPO Media post, the Sabre system allows soldiers to fight the enemy from a great distance and can handle a range of calibers, from light machine guns firing anti-tank rounds to an AK-47.

In the TPO footage, the Sabre is firing what appears to be a PKT belt-fed machine gun. The PKT is a heavy barrelled machine that doesn't have a stock and is typically mounted on vehicles like armored personnel carriers. It uses a solenoid trigger so it can be fired remotely, which is the cable running out of the back of the gun and into the complex of metal and wires on the side of the turret.

The Sabre system wasn't always controlled with a Steam Deck [...]. The first instances of the weapon appeared in 2014. The U.S. and the rest of NATO is giving Ukraine a lot of money for defense now, but that wasn't the case when Russia first invaded in 2014. To fill its funding gaps, Ukrainians ran a variety of crowdfunding campaigns. Over the years, Ukraine has used crowdfunding to pay for everything from drones to hospitals. One of the most popular websites is The People's Project, and it's there that the Sabre was born. The People's Project launched the crowdfunding campaign for Sabre in 2015 and collected more than $12,000 for the project over the next two years. It's initial goal was to deploy 10 of these systems.

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Ukraine Is Now Using Steam Decks To Control Machine Gun Turrets

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  • by gosso920 ( 6330142 ) on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:11PM (#63490344)
    I hear the "Ghost of Kyiv" is using a Tarot deck to play poker. He got a full house, and four Russians died!
    • by Anonymous Coward

      I believe this news because it aligns with my belief system.

  • I hate to be the old man here, but I don't know what a Steam Deck is. The article doesn't really describe it either, other than it runs Linux. What is a Steam Deck? Does it allow remote control of the turret?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It is a gaming console, being used to play the most realistic FPS known to man, with an opponent that has no redemption arc story.

      • It is a gaming console used to play the most realistic war game in Ukraine.
    • They've taken a page from WPIX' "TV-Pixxx
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:21AM (#63490488)
      Made by the company Valve. It runs an AMD chipset and a custom version of Linux using the Wine software to run a wide variety of Microsoft Windows games under Linux with surprisingly good performance and playability. It's biggest limitation is multiplayer games often don't work because the anti cheat software doesn't run.

      Think of a Nintendo switch on steroids and you've got a good idea of it

      I'm not surprised to see them being used as remote turret. They're cheap and well made and the software that runs them is open. They're also readily available.
    • by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:52AM (#63490578)

      Can we stop doing this boring "I dont know what this thing is!" comment on repeat.

      We've had search engines for getting close to 3 decades now. I implore you to learn about them.

    • It's a series of tubes that move a gun around using steam pressure.

      Also, since when is a PKT a "high-calibre machine gun"? It's a 7.62x54R, that's a standard rifle cartridge [wikipedia.org].

      • .223 and 5.56 are examples of standard or intermediate cartridges. .308 and 7.62 are high caliber.

        The significantly bigger stuff, like .50 and 13mm, is anti-materiel.

        At least, by a common modern understanding. Black powder weapons were substantially higher caliber, but they're no longer relevant.

        • I would assume "high-caliber machine gun" to mean an HMG, as opposed to a GPMG which is what the PKT is. For the HMG equivalent, I can't imagine something like a Dushka being described by its users as an "anti-material machine gun" rather than "an HMG".

          Not really disagreeing with you, it's just a strange way to describe a machine gun when there are pretty universally accepted and unambiguous terms for the different classes.

        • The "intermediate" part in cartridges is about pressure, not caliber. An intermediate cartridge has a higher propellant load (and pressure) than a pistol cartridge, but lower than a rifle cartridge. 7.62mm can be either of these three (7.62x25, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R).

    • If you're interested in this you could always read the site Slashdot which covers stories about the Steam Deck regularly. https://slashdot.org/index2.pl... [slashdot.org]

    • Welcome to the internet, I see you're new here [google.com].

    • So... what's wrong with a single board computer? Sounds cheaper and easier to integrate with the electronics.
  • by davidwr ( 791652 ) on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:29PM (#63490356) Homepage Journal

    ... steam-powered guns [citizensofantiford.com].

  • Get the job done using anything that can help. scrappy
  • Until some bureaucrat at the ATF gets the idea that a Steam Deck is a component of a machine gun. And illegal as a result.

    Yes, they are that dense.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      I'd be more worried about Valve being mad that something of theirs is being used to kill their cash cow.

    • I still say, "alcohol, tobacco and firearms" should be the name of a store, not a government agency.

    • Video game controllers becoming parts of regulated systems isn't really new, though, so I doubt there's a concern. Various medical equipment incorporates playstation or xbox controllers, as do some military simulators.
  • by linuxguy ( 98493 ) on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:46PM (#63490370) Homepage

    I saw a recent video of Russian soldiers attacking Ukrainians in a trench, at very close distances. People shooting each other at distances of 20-30 feet. I thought to myself, if I was in a trench I would want a few guns mounted outside that I could control remotely with a game controller of some sort. It seems that Ukrainians are way ahead of me.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yeah, they've been fighting a war against a vicious and inhuman enemy for 9 years now. And are still somehow surviving.

      • In Soviet Russia steam controls YOU! That is if you can find a hot spring and a bottle of potato wine.
        • There has been no "Russia" for a long time now. "Russia"'s history ended in 1922, when it became a part of the Soviet Union.

          When the Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991, a large part of it became what is today the Rossyan Federation (often spelled as Rossyan Pederation by the better-educated part of their population), a rather typical feudal failed state, with islands of early capitalism forming in some of its larger cities.

          Besides, in "Soviet Russia" the steam doesn't "control you". The steam there just boi

          • And thus, the myth of "Russian collusion" has been thoroughly debunked.
            • And thus, the myth of "Russian collusion" has been thoroughly debunked.

              In that the only way there's no russian collusion is if there's no russia?

              COMING RIGHT UP, TOVARISCH. Bend over and prepare for paving.

            • Lol, I'm assuming that's a joke based on the comments.

              But, Trump's actual 2016 campaign chairman confessed and was convicted of being an undercover agent of the Russian Federation. Also his first national security advisor.

              They couldn't prove that the Russian agents running the Trump campaign actually coordinated with Russia, but they did prove that the actual person running good campaign was a Russian agent

            • Precisely. It has been and is the Putin Collusion, all this time.

          • I think for this part of the world the term you are looking for is motherland or more specifically mother Russia.

          • It's a country where the vast majority of people are ethnically Russian, speak Russian, and identify with Russian history, located on top of Moscow and St. Petersburg. What the fuck are you talking about? You are at most half as clever as you think you are.

    • if I was in a trench I would want a few guns mounted outside

      That seems good at first but wouldn't a kind of tech-heavy solution like this be prone to being easily damaged? Especially if out in the open in a fixed position where a sniper could take out key bits. Even if you had it in a armored box a sniper could take out the connecting cable...

      • by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:55AM (#63490586)

        That seems good at first but wouldn't a kind of tech-heavy solution like this be prone to being easily damaged? Especially if out in the open in a fixed position where a sniper could take out key bits. Even if you had it in a armored box a sniper could take out the connecting cable...

        Sure. But thats gonna happen whether theres a person a servo pofinting that gun. The key here is to not have that pointer be a person. Dead guns can be fixed or replaced. Dead humans can not.

        • Sure. But thats gonna happen whether theres a person a servo pofinting that gun.

          A person can just pop out of the trench and fire though, a much harder target than a fixed position wired weapon (that also seems like it would be hard to move). Trench warfare historically has been very dynamic...

        • Dead guns can be fixed or replaced. Dead humans can not.

          That is not true at all. The only difference between a person and a machine gun (in relation to replacement) is that it takes 9 months to manufacture a person and another 18ish years to get them into a usable state. Machine guns are manufactured independent of biology and manufacturing them is a MUCH quicker and more controlled process.

          TL;DR, Dead humans are replaceable, just at a more "sedate" rate than machine guns.

      • How rugged is it? From pictures of it, it seems to have a lot of openings where dirt or water could get in, much more than a cellphone.
        • How rugged is it? From pictures of it, it seems to have a lot of openings where dirt or water could get in, much more than a cellphone.

          That was the other thing I was wondering, doesn't seem very safe from elements. Maybe really good to have guarding a city though where you could place it in a room looking out a window...

  • by havmerci ( 1647967 ) on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:26PM (#63490430) Homepage

    I'm making a note here: Huge success.

  • by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:50PM (#63490456)
    And viola
  • Imagine... (Score:5, Funny)

    by locater16 ( 2326718 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:31AM (#63490548)
    Imagine being a Russian soldier, sent weaponless to charge the enemy position. You get gunned down immediately by a remote controlled machine gun and then, as you lay dying, hear some 15 year old yell "Lol, fuckin pwned noob! Just like fucked your mom last night!" The last thing you see is your face getting teabagged.
  • With gaming controls and very good A/V real-time reactivity. So its use is kind of logical. And since it uses Linux, it is quite easy to secure, unlike the crap out of Redmont.

    What mifs me a bit is that I still cannot get one here.

  • Happy as Ukrainian, proud of this
  • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:57AM (#63490694)

    I mean, someone took their console and turned into a weapon that literally kills people.

    Once you own the hardware, you are supposed to be able to do whatever you want with it, including strapping a gun to it, but if it was Nintendo for instance, I don't think it would appreciate having their brand tied to weapons.

    Valve values openness more than others in the industry, and it is used by the "good guys", so I guess they won't make a fuss, but still, is it the kind of publicity they want?

    • They'll make a killing out of it.
    • Honestly I would capitalise on this. Ukraine are the good guys to NATO countries. They aren't using the console to kill people they are using the console to liberate themselves. It's all a matter of perspective.

      Now if Valve were a Russian company...

      • Now if Valve were a Russian company...

        ..about that.

        The jury is still out on that. However the actions of their forum moderators and the products they choose to sell doesn't put them on the 'good guys' side from what I've seen so far.

        The best 'good guy' move from them so far has been the banning of many cheaters from their game Dota, a very significant amount of which seemed to come from russia as that's who was screaming the loudest when the hole was finally plugged. This also has the effect of making them spend money again, so not really all t

        • The platform is CRAWLING with russians and 'russian language' adjustments

          Yeah how dare they cater to an international audience. Don't they know English is the only language in the world worth speaking and anyone who can't speak it isn't worth having as a customer? /s

          There's a world of difference between supporting a state actor and supporting a language from customers. Why does the fact that people exist outside of America scare you so?

          • That 'language' has been used as a pretext for many invasions. So yeah, no problem with it's removal along with the people that speak it.

    • The demo game Desk Job features using your Steam Deck to control a machine gun turret:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]

      You tell us?

      • Heh, yea, I was gonna say: This idea was clearly inspired by their one bundled launch title, "Aperture Desk Job [steampowered.com]." Valve should be proud of real life imitating their art. You don't get better validation of your product's features than this. I wish it wasn't for a war, but sometimes you gotta look on the bright side.

    • by dddux ( 3656447 )

      Smiling on their way to the bank? ;)

  • by kqc7011 ( 525426 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:36AM (#63490862)
    So, it looks like a CROWS weapon, built with whatever was available. And CROWS systems have been in US use for almost 20 years. With, I believe Norways Kongsberg Group being the builders of some of the first systems.
  • Whatever you do, do not play Overwatch 2 on your Sabre unit. Team kill is engaged by default.

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