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28 Years Later, Windows Finally Supports RAR Files (techcrunch.com) 110

An anonymous reader shares a report: Then, at some point, someone at Microsoft must have gotten fed up with rushing their .rar operations the way I have for 20 years and thought, there must be a better way. And so, under the subheading of "Reducing toil," we have a few helpful UI updates, then casually and apropos of nothing, this:

"In addition... We have added native support for additional archive formats, including tar, 7-zip, rar, gz and many others using the libarchive open-source project. You now can get improved performance of archive functionality during compression on Windows."

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28 Years Later, Windows Finally Supports RAR Files

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  • by Junta ( 36770 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:25PM (#63546459)

    Winrar's massive revenue stream from all those registered users is going to dry up now.

    • Microsoft added native support for ZIP archives to Windows way back in October, 2001. For well over 10 years after that I was still seeing WinZip installed on people's computers.
      • Entirely understandable given how limited the shell extension is. Can't set a password, can't extract if it has a secure password method (only the simple type)... could go on. It's definitely a convenience I use frequently but 7zip is installed for the heavy lifting.
        • by trabby ( 4123953 )

          Here is another good one, can't use an "em dash" or "—" in a filename when putting it into a compressed folder. Found that one out the other day. 7-Zip couldn't have cared less about that.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Older versions of the ZIP file specification use the computer's local codepage, so anything outside that codepage gets mangled. You also can't extract archives with filenames from a different codepage, without the names getting screwed up.

            Later versions seem to support Unicode, but it's rare for those versions to be used. Initially RAR was preferred for better compression and Unicode support, but for at least a decade 7-zip has been the one to use.

            That said, Unicode itself is broken, so sometimes even with

      • For well over 10 years after that I was still seeing WinZip installed on people's computers.

        Voluntarily? Or was it just Dell's OEM bloat that people never got around to uninstalling?

        Okay jokes aside, no Microsoft to this day doesn't support many ZIP options, e.g. AES-256 encryption isn't supported, something Winzip did literally 20 years ago, introduced literally in May 2003.

      • by edwdig ( 47888 )

        The Windows native support for zip only offered the bare minimum of functionality, and it was brutally slow. WinZip had to be like an order of magnitude faster.

        WinZip's also has way better compatibility than most alternatives. I've always had issues when sending people zip files encrypted with anything other than WinZip.

      • The vast corporation pays for Winzip on every one of our workstations. I have no idea why.
    • Re:Devastating... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @06:24PM (#63546633) Homepage

      I had a winrar license back in the day.

      I hope the guy retired a few years ago though...


      RAR registration data. ....
      Single PC usage license
      UID=499fcf21d36c4103f2bd
      6412212250f2bd98da18c4430e03421ffee3827e9abd9fe0d05f82
      84e9232d73300bdcd5d06035c6ab9048e2c5c62f0238f183d28519
      aa87488bf38f5b634cf28190bdf438ac593b1857cdb55a7fcb0eb0
      c3e4c2736090b3dfa45384e08e9de05c586032c8cbc4c69608db85
      15cd75a971559d635677e969240f8516e1c96758510f912d196f04
      eaa3693cac073e36f7cb8fb7a95dd1b284badfba8d19521160cc54

      • by Anonymous Coward
        He hadn't, WinRAR 6.12 was release just last May. Now that Microsoft has integrated it into Windows, though, he may never see another sale again. (I mean... "RAR for Android" has had 100M downloads but how many people actually pay for a license key?)
        • It's fine, it's Microsoft's integration of RAR so if anything it'll increase his sales as people pay to avoid whatever Microsoft has done to screw it up.
          • so if anything it'll increase his sales as people pay to avoid whatever Microsoft has done to screw it up.

            You live in a fantasy world where people actually care enough about this stuff. If someone hadn't bought an RAR license before, they won't do it now either.

    • Well I mean the last purchase we know of happened in 2021 [youtube.com].
    • About 15 years ago a construction company I was doing IT support for had a deal with some Chinese engineering company, and all the CAD files they sent over were .rar files.
      I had to tell them to stop because they all used the same pirated copy of winrar that was infested with some sort of virus and it kept trying to infect my users' machines.
      Bloody idiots couldn't engineer properly either. Everything arrived slightly the wrong size. (Something like that. The CEO of our company was Chinese too and everyon
    • Except they are all lifetime licenses.

  • by haruchai ( 17472 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:26PM (#63546465)

    They should have bought WinRAR long ago - it has Win right in the name!

  • ...I still don't know what a RAR file is!
    • Surely you jest. Never grabbed video files from usenet?
    • ...I still don't know what a RAR file is!

      Well, at least you'll be comfortable not knowing what you've been missing out on. I mean, they do say ignorance is bliss. Might as well enjoy it I guess. - Every Usenet user ever.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      It's T-Rex p0rn.

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      It's an archive format with a cult following.

      Back in the eighties and early nineties there used to be dozens of archive formats. ar, ark, arj, arc, dar, tar, zip, zoo, hog, lha, lhz, lzh, lzx, shar, pac, pak, cab, car, sda, sea, sfx, the list just went on and on.

      The only ones you really need to know about at this point are zip and tar, special-purpose variants of zip and tar (e.g., jar and deb, respectively), and disk/filesystem images. The rest is noise. If anybody sends you an archive in one of the mor
  • by bloodhawk ( 813939 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:29PM (#63546473)
    seriously rar is what you lead with there? gz and tar support is far more interesting and useful.
    • by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:33PM (#63546487)
      File splitting used to be a necessity back in the days of USENET. Yes Im showing my age.
      • File splitting used to be a necessity back in the days of USENET. Yes Im showing my age.

        Oh the days of seeing six listings which had to be downloaded then stitched together to see something useful.

        • No, it was a 27-part listing and the second-to-last one was always missing or corrupted.
        • There was a guy that would capture episodes of Babylon 5, de-interlace them, and clean them up for VCD. When you sent it out via s-video to a tv it looked way better. But with file limit sizes it seemed like 50 rar files to get your 700mb VCD. The guy was an artist, he even made cover art for the CD case. I ended up collecting all 5 seasons. Was great for its time.
      • File splitting used to be a necessity back in the days of USENET. Yes Im showing my age.

        You might be showing your age, but you're not exactly demonstrating irrelevance.

        Usenet is still around for the same damn reason it was 20 years ago.

      • by antdude ( 79039 )

        Same with dial-up BBSes. ;)

      • by jonadab ( 583620 )
        Yeah, but pkzip also did file splitting (albeit, not because of usenet, but because of floppies), and that format is actually, you know, extremely widely supported, more so even than tar at this point.
    • by Dwedit ( 232252 )

      TAR format doesn't provide random access. You need to completely parse the file just to get a listing of what's inside. It's a terrible format.

      • It isn't terrible. It is perfect for tapes, or anything where you just need a full append or break.

      • Tarballs are a fine format that is being used for the wrong thing.

        The format is literally for sequential data, Tape ARchive.
      • by jonadab ( 583620 )
        So use zip then.

        But the ability to extract tarballs is useful because it's a very common format, the second most common archive format (after zip), substantially more common than .7z (honestly, most 7zip users don't even use that format; they use the software for extracting .zip and .tar and decompressing .gz and .bz2), and *overwhelmingly* more common than obscure cult-following formats like arj and pak and rar.

        There are certain use cases where tar is a better choice than zip. Mostly these involve the nee
    • by The MAZZTer ( 911996 ) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .tzzagem.> on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @08:32PM (#63546899) Homepage
      A lot of tar.gz files designed for use on Linux will have Linux-style symbolic links, which most archive tools treat as normal files. Will be interesting to see if Windows handles them "correctly" (creating NTFS symbolic links) on decompression and recompression.
      • Archiver dropping symbolic links... what could possibly go wrong?

        We could call this technology Spoof.
    • It is. RAR's specialties aren't super amazing today, though they still can pack jpgs pretty tight I think. By contrast tar and gz always require third party support (usually 7z).

      Honestly though, if you need to compress (or heaven forbid put even a basic AES block cipher on it), you will be getting 7z or a friend anyways.

    • By some quirk of history, everyone uses RAR archives by default in China. This is going to make life easier for anyone doing business with China.

    • seriously rar is what you lead with there? gz and tar support is far more interesting and useful.

      As a Windows user I have never come across a tar or a gz file relevant to the os. Gz and tar support are relevant to Linux, it's no surprise that they lead with RAR support. And we all know no self-respecting Slashdotter will be caught dead sullying the pure nature of Linux by daring to open a file destined to the God's own OS from the unclean M$ Windoze ;-)

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:31PM (#63546477)

    Microsoft is actually adding a feature to Windows that somebody wants!

    • "Hell must have frozen over"

      Someone in Redmond got tired of having to go to 7-Zip.

    • Microsoft is actually adding a feature to Windows that somebody wants!

      When the feature is a 20-year old free download, it's viewed about as much of a "feature" as a speed bump is to a monster truck.

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Indeed. It still is a dramatic deviation from their usual modus were they decide what users must want and it has nothing to do with the real users.

        • Indeed. It still is a dramatic deviation from their usual modus were they decide what users must want and it has nothing to do with the real users.

          Is it? Really? Perhaps the Windows 11 users will let you know how they feel about your "deviation"...in between ads served from the fucking Start menu.

          Like you suggested originally...Hell might have already added snowballs to their menu.

          • by gweihir ( 88907 )

            I did not say it was a general deviation or something to be expected to happen more often. Just that this actually helpful behavior was so rare it counts as a dramatic deviation.

    • by kmoser ( 1469707 )
      Don't worry, a future Windows Update will add advertisements to that feature, ensure nobody wants it.
      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Yep, probably. And maybe start to only work on "Microsoft 7z format" as well. MS has to far managed to fuck _everything_ up and there is no reason to believe that will change.

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      It's not the first time.

      They added .zip support in WinME and XP. Their implementation is bizarrely *slow*, but at least it's there.

      Also, they added .png transparency support in IE7. Remember that? That was great for both of the people who were still using IE at that point.
  • windows is not a disk operating system anymore. the old compression policies even while not being written in stone seemed to survive this long.....

  • Thought not. It's only been 3 decades.
    • I know, right? It's amazing anything works at all, ever, with that being a problem. Clearly it should have bubbled to the top as "must be fix immediately".

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @07:00PM (#63546707)

      There's nothing to fix, it was a conscious design decision. That said it was absolutely "fixed" for you and is fully supported by Explorer and has been for 5 years already. You just need to enable it with a registry edit, because long file names can break 32bit applications.

      If your file path is longer than 260 characters you're doing something wrong. It's an organising system, not a place to store the works of Shakespeare.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        If your file path is longer than 260 characters you're doing something wrong.

        Yeah, like using OneDrive, which hits this limitation all the frickin time. Then you have to go through Teams or the SuckPoint web app.

      • Tell that to Boost.org. Weâ(TM)re forever running in build problems with that, and the build failure messages arenâ(TM)t obvious. For our own build agents, weâ(TM)ve enabled long path support, but third parties seem to forget. The alternative is to build Boost from a short path off the root. And then also all our Python build scripts have to prepend \\?\ to all file paths on Windows too. Itâ(TM)s so annoying.

      • by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @02:27AM (#63547205)
        No, the registry setting did not fully fix it.
        ( Unless they have fixed it again in Windows 11, which I choose not to use. I don't believe they have. )

        "If your file path is longer than 260 characters you're doing something wrong. It's an organising system, not a place to store the works of Shakespeare."

        An "organising system" should be able to organise things in a hierarchy.
        That hierarchy may have many levels.
        The organising system should be able to handle many levels.
        Which for a file system means long file *paths* ( we are NOT talking about file *names* here ).

        For three decades, NTFS has been able to handle the long file paths required to handle those many levels.
        For three decades, File Explorer has not.

        It remains a bug, after three decades.
        • That hierarchy may have many levels.

          It may. But it shouldn't. Just because something is possible doesn't make it a good idea. Which leads us ultimately to:

          It remains a bug, after three decades.

          Assuming you're right and it is a problem, no one cares. Like literally no one. You're talking about a fundamental flaw in storing data on a system, and yet for 3 decades people have continued using Windows just fine. Wait!... *checks*. Yep this was posted from a Windows machine and it appears to be working fine.

          No one fixes a "bug" that only one user complains about because they are too au

          • You don't have a problem with a bug so you think it is acceptable to call one of the people reporting that bug mentally ill?

            If you think that is normal behavior, then you need help.
            • No I'm calling people mentally ill for thinking something that *isn't a feature* is somehow a bug.

              The fact my hatchback gets bogged if I drive it on a sand dune isn't a bug either. It's not a feature the car was designed for. Just because my car has 4 wheels doesn't mean it can drive on every surface. Just because NTFS has long file name support doesn't mean it needs to be supported by an OS. The OP is complaining about a "bug" in a "feature" that is specifically not supported and requires a user to manuall

              • by jd ( 1658 )

                You're calling autism a mental illness?

                Yeah, right. It isn't. Nor is it a term you have any business bandying around as an insult.

              • "All the while talking about a "bug" without providing specific details that would even allow anyone to replicate or understand what they are talking about. Yes I think he's a mental case."

                "an issue that literally no one else has."

                EVERYONE who has any knowledge of Windows knows EXACTLY the BUG I am talking about.
                There are PAGES of discussion about it.

                Writing demented nonsense like you do makes it very clear who here has a problem with discourse - and reality.

                You need help.
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          It's not a File Explorer issue, it's the Win32 API that enforces the 260 character path length limit. So all applications have the same limitation, because they all use the Win32 API. Even if File Explorer supported longer names, you probably wouldn't be able to open those files in any application anyway.

          At this point it's probably impossible to fix without massive breakage. Many applications have the 260 character limit hard coded in, and would overrun their buffers if it was lifted.

      • Try working with artists. They will use wordy filenames that vaguely describe the contents, which they'll put in folders that are also similarly wordy. Then when their "Current Work" folder gets a bit overwhelming, it all goes into another folder called "Current Work (Previous 2021)" and stuck another layer deep. Come back a year later and stuff they did in January is now 10 levels down. And I never used to care until I tried to copy it all onto ZFS and learned that it has a limited path length.

        The absolute

  • All of you that use RAR files are pirates!! I've never seen a RAR file used for anything other than piracy. A file with .rar extension on your file system is the same as being caught with a crack pipe.

    • All of you that use RAR files are pirates!! I've never seen a RAR file used for anything other than piracy. A file with .rar extension on your file system is the same as being caught with a crack pipe.

      "Yarrr! Use RARrrr! Arrghh!"

      • OK, tell me how the pirates have detailed information on shipping logistics? They have to be getting detailed files on every ocean vessel transferred to them, most likely in .RAR format.

    • I have seen driver updates from motherboard makers come as self-extracting rar files and a couple times I have seen them as actual rar files.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I belive you've confused .rar with .arr

    • Re:Pirates (Score:4, Interesting)

      by ctilsie242 ( 4841247 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @08:26PM (#63546891)

      I've used it for decades because of the recovery record ability. Way back when, adding 1-3% for a recovery record would ensure that if line noise or something caused a glitch with a modem transfer, the archive would still be useful after a repair. The old signed archive feature was nice, just to show that the archives were not tampered with (before we had more advanced ways to do this), and it has great segmenting abilities, which can be useful if one has a large FAT32 volume and wants to store a bunch of large files (greater than 4 GB) on that, and formatting ExFAT isn't an option.

  • Why would they wait until the height of RAR popularity to do this? I bet they are after that revenue stream with this free upgrade and want to quash the stiff competition rar clients provide.
  • Bring back .ARJ files.

    • Personally, I look forward to using Xmodem to transfer uuencoded warez. /s
      • Zmodem for the win!
        • Some fine-tuning with Kermit can almost get one to zmodem speeds, especially with sliding windows.

          Makes me wish StuffIt Deluxe were still maintained by Smith Micro and actively used, because it used to be the go to utility for Macs, even offering binhex4 so one could FTP Mac .hqx files over a seven bit link.

        • by Junta ( 36770 )

          I remember HS/Link. Chatting and playing a little game while we could send files at each other. Using a data connection to do more than one thing at a time was amazing.

    • I go in for LHA and ZOO, too, from the Amiga. ARJ and ACE I remember from DOS.
  • by kbonin ( 58917 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @06:41PM (#63546661)
    They've been scanning everything on windows boxes and anything else on the local network they can access for "your security!" for years (in perfect accordance with the EULA you read, right?), they've probably just figured out how to increase advertising or government surveillance revenue by increasing the accessible file packages.
  • It is a great program..I use RAR and GNUPG to protect my archives of my folders on the Google Drive cloud at least once a week. You can use a BASH shell and Windows Batch files to easily create RAR archives and encrypt with GNUPG to keep them private.
    • I have done some scripting to generate a pass phrase, encrypt the pass phrase via GnuPG and write it in a directory, then use that pass phrase to create a WinRAR archive with its encryption on. It isn't as secure as using GnuPG explicitly, but it saves a step because the archive written out is encrypted, and there isn't a need to have an unencrypted file area. For decryption, just open up the .asc file in the directory, get the pass phrase, plop it into WinRAR, and extract, and that can be automated as we

  • in soviet russia we rar you!

    • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
      I was just thinking Soviet Russia dissolved and rebranded in 1991 ( thats > 30 years ago) it might be time to retire the soviet Russia meemes for anything but historical purposes, yea I know Vladimir V. Putin had a dream of rebuilding it, but I suspect that pecame permanently impossible when he decided to invade Ukraine
  • The innovation in Redmond just never stops, does it?

    I mean, it slows to a glacial crawl, but it doesn't actually stop, right?

  • by ctilsie242 ( 4841247 ) on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @08:15PM (#63546871)

    Am I one of the few people who finds WinRAR a useful format still?

    It has one use that it is really good at, and it is an archiver. For example, taking my year's taxes, archiving them with WinRAR, adding a recovery record and pass phrase for security, then throwing them into protected storage. What this gives me is a way to check for bit rot, and hopefully repair it, and pretty much no other program has this. I could use PAR, but it is nowhere as easy as just throwing stuff into a WinRAR file and having the single file have all the recovery records rather than multiple files.

    This has worked for me for decades. Recently, I pulled out some burned CDs from antediluvian times with a multi-part archive, with a recovery record, and recovery volumes. All the CDs were readable so I was able to pull stuff off, and it was easy to do a verify to ensure that the data of them was not just present, but passed checksumming, so there was protection against bit rot. WinRAR 5 has improved the CRC to Blake2, which greatly helps detect corruption, but the previous CRC feature wasn't bad either... good enough to check for bit flips or other garbage in a file.

    The archive segmentation has been very useful as well. For relatively small amounts of data like some documents, being able to create a multi-part archive with recovery volumes works well. Since WinRAR is so commonplace, almost anything can open the archive.

    Scripting isn't bad either.

    And yes... I have registered it (with a copy per machine.) I miss their old signature capability, but understand why it was removed. It isn't a flashy program, but has kept my data safe for decades (especially with recovery record functionality and checksumming), so for me, well worth the price of admission.

    • I've had WinRAR's recovery volumes save my data at least a few times over the many years I used it. 7zip's interface could learn a few lessons from WinRAR's, too. 7zip typically gets a better compression ratio, but WinRAR's no slouch. With how cheap storage is this has kind of become moot, anyway, but still. hehe.

  • Way to keep up with the times, Richmond Genuses.

  • Honestly, ever since 7-Zip has been available, I've used that - it's one of the first things I install when setting up a computer:

    I was one of those weirdos who actually did pay for WinZip at least once .. way back when Windows had no built in Zip handling.

    I'll probably keep using 7-zip as I like the UI and integration better than the way the built in windows Zip handling does - and I'm guessing windows built in rar will work just like zip does now.

  • Just like browser tabs and headess servers.
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