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Close To Half of American Adults Favor TikTok Ban, Poll Shows (reuters.com) 102

According to a new Reuters/Ipsos survey, nearly half of American adults support a ban on TikTok. From the report: TikTok, owned by Chinese tech giant ByteDance and used by tens of millions of Americans, has faced calls from U.S. lawmakers for a nationwide ban over concerns about possible Chinese government influence. Some 47% of respondents to the two-day poll, which concluded on Tuesday, said they at least somewhat supported "banning the social media application, TikTok, from use in the United States," while 36% opposed a ban and 17% said they didn't know.

Fifty-eight percent of Republicans favored a ban, compared to 47% of Democrats, the poll showed. The online Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted nationwide, collecting responses from 1,005 adults, including 443 Democrats and 346 Republicans. It had a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of about 4 percentage points in either direction.
Last month, a Pew Research Center survey found that a majority of Americans (59%) believe the social media app is a threat to the national security of the United States.
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Close To Half of American Adults Favor TikTok Ban, Poll Shows

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  • Bans don't work (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MpVpRb ( 1423381 )

    See the drug war and alcohol prohibition for details

    • Re:Bans don't work (Score:4, Insightful)

      by RazorSharp ( 1418697 ) on Thursday August 17, 2023 @10:23PM (#63776610)

      Declaring all bans to be ineffective is probably a gross oversimplification. If we banned nectarines but not peaches, then no one would go out of their way to hustle the illegal nectarine trade. Or if we kept LSD illegal but legalized magic mushrooms, no one would go to the trouble of making LSD anymore.

      Bans affect supply and demand. When it comes to the drug war and alcohol prohibition, the demand is/was high enough to support a black market. That seems unlikely to be the case with TikTok, where the thing itself does not become illegal, merely the supplier.

      It's very easy to cut off the supply of TikTok and the demand can quickly shift to an alternative platform that does the exact same thing. No one is going to pipe through a Chinese VPN to watch stupid videos they can just watch elsewhere.

    • You're preaching to the choir dude.
      Yeah, no matter how much of it I wipe on; my pits still sweat.
      Worse yet, I found out I'm now very allergic to that lousy aluminum they use as the active ingredient.
      Old Spice used to work, then they sold out to big aluminum too.
      Don't talk to me about Ban.
    • See the drug war and alcohol prohibition for details

      Ah, but the fact that the drug war is still being funded and supported by taxpayer dollars, says a LOT as to how wrong you are.

      Is it TRULY a "failed" drug war, or failing just enough to justify jobs? One has to wonder after all this time...

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Apparently propaganda does though.

      I wonder if there is some bias in the ages of those surveyed here. These polls tend to skew a little older, because younger people are less likely to participate for a variety of reasons (like not answering calls from unknown numbers). That might explain why polling doesn't favour TikTok, but Facebook (which is far, far worse) is okay.

    • Yeah, because your average YouBookInstaTiktogram Shorts enthusiast is going to figure out how to set up a VPN proxy just to watch dumbass dance videos.

      That might be fine for the average Slashdot "reader" because we understand such things, but your average constant-scroll short-form video addict isn't gonna bother when they can just go use any of 3 other services that the exact same shit gets cross-posted to.

  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Thursday August 17, 2023 @06:24PM (#63776072)

    ALL social media is a security risk, foreign and domestic.

    Corporate or government, if you have anything worth protecting your policy for employees should be, "nope, and double-nope under your real name".

    • Prove you NEED to be that paranoid about security.

      Otherwise, no one will work for you, because addiction.

    • Difficult to grasp how anyone things your comment is an insightful. At best it's simple authoritarianism just like those what want to ban TicToc in the first place. It also shows a complete lack of understanding of security. The well being of your employees is significantly important and pissing them off is a sure way to end up with a security breach.

    • I have a different take. I feel like I've successfully converter people with your opinion so here we go.

      Freedom of speech (including social media) must be preserved, but freedom from consequences should never have been a thing.

      Facebook and TikTok and the rest should not have a blanket exemption for what is published. These platforms are selective of what they promote and elevate, they have their hand on the scale, and they should not be exempt from consequences.

      They try to claim to be like the press, but

    • Huh, why? If I post cutesy dog videos to Instagram, how is that a security risk for my business or government?

      Why would TikTok be any worse than posting to Slashdot?

    • it would be the old fart half, near as I can tell.
    • For some reason the trans read stories to young children half doesn't seem to mind.

    • Pun appreciated but I don't think yRTFA. While not half 47% of Democrats is a very depressing number. It's obvious the divide is not left/right. All those that want the ban are conservative in their social views and unable to deal with desperate points of view.

  • Just tell them they have big dicks [youtube.com].

  • They haven't even noticed that Twitter is now X.
  • by klipclop ( 6724090 ) on Thursday August 17, 2023 @06:52PM (#63776130)
    Tiktok in China is completely different and more limited to educational videos and heavily censors the garbage. Require tiktok outside China to implement and follow the same rules for a simple fix.
    • I take it China sees the difference in pure profit when not implementing certain restrictions on the West.

      Also, why would you interrupt your enemy when they are in the process of destroying themselves...

    • I'd suggest you don't know what you're talking about. Spend a significant amount of time on the Chinese tiktok (or indeed the wechat alternative) and you'll find that their algorithm is quite objectionable too.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I've seen Chinese TikTok, there is plenty of BS on there too. In fact some of it was quite shocking, like video of children being really badly physically abused with "look at this terrible mother" comments overlaid, people being hurt or killed in natural disasters, that kind of thing. Lots of jokes too, mostly little skits that people had made.

      So largely the same as Western TikTok as far as I can tell, although I'm not on it at all so everything I've seen is what other people showed me.

  • Legals decisions shouldn't be a popularity contest. Our laws are supposed to be a fair and level playing field for all participants, actions are legal or illegal, it's not based on who you are.

    Also, who's being polled? Given the huge number of Tiktok users in the US, it's obvious a substantial portion of the population supports them. Otherwise it wouldn't be this popular.

    • Also, who's being polled?

      "These are some of the findings of an Ipsos poll conducted between August 14-15, 2023 on behalf of Thomson Reuters. For this survey, a sample of 1,005 adults age 18+ from the continental U.S., Alaska, and Hawaii was interviewed online in English. The sample also includes 443 Democrats, 346 Republicans, and 137 independents.

      The sample was randomly drawn from Ipsos’ online panel, partner online panel sources, and “river” sampling and does not rely on a population frame in the traditional sen

      • "The sample also includes 443 Democrats, 346 Republicans, and 137 independents."

        That only totals 926. What were the other 79? Bots?

        • It could be they declined to answer this question, were not able to make their mind in 5 seconds, or gave a confusing answer. Pollers will ask 3 times and if not getting a clear answer they write it down as invalid.

          It could also be that these 79 people reported different names of a minority or single-state parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] and the press release omits a long list of parties that are nearly unknown to the reader.

          • I wonder how they handle people getting pedantic about parties. In Minnesota, there is no "Democratic Party." It's the "Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party," but it's functionally the same thing. That's the party under which Joe Biden won the state in 2020.

        • What were the other 79?

          Just taking a guess: actual members of the actual Communist Party, Green Party, Libertarian Party, etc. Out of 1000 people you are going to get some marginal party affiliations that are best lumped into the 1% "other" wedge on the pie, and eliminated from written descriptions for being fringe and irrelevant to the story premise.

      • Therein lies a potential problem. Shouldn't the proportion of politically non-affiliated be much higher? Election turnout is only around 60% at best, and the younger generations are disproportionately not voting and non-affiliated, and they are also disproportionately the demographic that uses Tiktok. And that is if they count whose party based on who they voted for rather than actual party member.

        I'm not versed in their methodology enough to know if it's statistically relevant, but I do know it's usually d

    • Polling says black people must sit at the back of the bus.

    • Also, who's being polled? Given the huge number of Tiktok users in the US, it's obvious a substantial portion of the population supports them. Otherwise it wouldn't be this popular.

      Who is being polled? Olds. Because they are the ones that actually answer polls. Young people hang up, don't respond to begin with, etc. because they're too busy watching dipshit dance videos on Tiktok.

      Also, young people are the most likely to not think about the risks and ramifications of something like a Tiktok app that scrapes every bit of data it can and sends it to ${DEITY}-knows-who.

  • Granted, I am not a user of TikTok. My brother sends me some TikTok videos every now and then but they are silly and harmless. What's the big deal? What's wrong with people posting stupid videos? No one is forcing you to watch them, right?
    • No one is forcing me to watch conspiracy nuttery either, but as we've seen recently it not only kills morons but also endangers the sane portion of the population.

      • Tiktok doesn't kill morons, morons kill themselves by doing stupid things. These days people have been warned enough that these 'challenges' can be very dangerous and hurt you, so if you still go forward with it and die, well, nature prevails.
        • I'm not talking about stupid challenges. They don't affect me at all, if anything, it's very laudable that idiots remove themselves from the gene pool, preferably before breeding.

          I'm talking about the idiots that believe snakeoil peddlers selling them ineffective "cures" for transmittable diseases.

  • A full half of US adults occupy the left half of the curve.

  • As far as I can tell, the only real problem is that it's controlled by the Chinese. So, in theory, they could be implementing algorithms that are negatively affecting Americans.

    I've heard the platform has a lot of educational videos and how-tos, same as youtube. I'm sure it also has a lot of really dumb, pointless stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

    Much like youtube, I'm sure it could send you down a bizarre road to extremist content but that's just what you'll end up finding on the Internet anyway. Maybe ban s

    • Not a TikTokker either... World is a big place so companies from all over the world have the same right to provide internet services on a global scale.

    • Anything you post or view on the internet is put there to extract data from you for someone else’s profit.That person then loses control of the data to another thief, and on ad infinitum. Eventually it all gets scraped to feed AI. The alleged nationality or ethnic status of the thief does not make much difference to the AI. I for one welcome our new Tik Tok overlords, and the ones who will steal their data.
  • I'm going to guess 47% of Americans couldn't give you even a rough description of what the first amendment to the constitution is.
  • by PubJeezy ( 10299395 ) on Thursday August 17, 2023 @08:10PM (#63776358)
    How many favored banning Facebook? Or Twitter?
    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      How many favored banning Facebook? Or Twitter?

      Fortunately in modern democracies, we don't ban things just because a number of people were outraged in a poll about it.

      I mean they weren't smart enough to avoid a pollster, are these really the people we should be basing policy decisions on?

  • People support a ban because of data TikTok might collect from them.

    How is this being implemented? Well, to ban TikTok, they're making it so accessing TikTok is a crime, circumventing the ban will result in hefty fines. To make sure that that ban is enforced, everything you do online is monitored to make sure you don't go to the TikTok app.

    No protections of your information, just a council that decides what to ban, and watches online activity to fine individuals. That's the current idea of the Restrict

  • Seems consistent with how many people buy in to such propaganda.

  • Sorry, but 1000 people isn't a number where you can claim 'half of american adults'... it's a silly conclusion.
  • What an interesting way to spin a poll. A more accurate statement might be, "A majority of Americans reject a TikTok ban." Not even with their likely leading questions could they even get a majority of Americans to say anything.

  • I always hear these stories about something being a "risk to national security". And I think to myself "What risk?".

    Let's assume that the Chinese government *can* get all your phone data from the TikTok app. And let's assume that they *do* grab that information and have enough people to digest it. What data could possibly be gathered that would be a risk to national security?

    You could read every single e-mail I've ever written. You could have the data from every technology device I've ever owned, including

    • "Please go ahead and change my mind. Describe a scenario where China gets information that they could and would act on by looking at all Americans' phone data." I'll spare you my scenarios and instead provide links to open source intel assessments. Here's a link to a report published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in 2022. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/... [dni.gov] Here's a link to the ODNI Annual Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intel Community in 2022: https://www.dni.gov/index.php/... [dni.gov]
      • So, no- the CCP is probably not interested in you, personally. There are, however, many Americans the CCP is interested in observing and/or flipping. Stupid apps like TikTok provide a seemingly innocuous avenue to identify intel targets within government, academia, etc.., or apply subtle information operations/influence campaigns to sway public opinion or exacerbate seams in Western societies.
      • I read the report, thank you. And all it contained as far as I can tell is the author stating that China gaining intelligence on American Citizens is a "threat to national security". It doesn't give any examples of what I've asked for - a specific instance of something that China *would* or *could* do with TikTok data that would be a TTNS.

        "It makes it easier to get intelligence by turning agents blah blah blah"... and?! It's not 1972 any more. So China "turns" 10% of their targets into intelligence agents

        • "A specific instance of something that China would or could do with TikTok data that would be a threat to national security" would be the gleaning of personal information from an app user to identify specific traits that make a person more susceptible to recruitment or manipulation by a foreign agent. It's not 1972, but it is still real and happening today. Reference the two U.S. sailors arrested two weeks ago. We don't know how Chinese agents identified them as potential targets, but if I were part of t
          • I don't find it implausible at all... I'm sure "agents" are "recruited" every day. But where's the *threat*? Where's the *action* that is going to damage America or Americans in some way? They recruit a few sailors, wow great for them. They recruit an admiral. A general. And what? Are they going to ask them to fire on US targets? Are they going to invade America? Is there an actual *THREAT* to your life and your way of living? No, no and no. China can look at all the data they want, but they're not going to

  • "Hello?"
    "Hello, I'm calling on behalf of secret company to ask you an important question, may I?"
    "Sure."
    "Are you in favor of banning TikTok?"
    "Sure, why not."
    "Thank you."
    "By the way, what is TikTok?"

  • Now repeat the survey among actual tiktok users.

    Now repeat the survey showing how certain demographics want to ban library books that are read by people not in that demographic.

    Rinse and repeat about how certain demographics want to ban a widget that are used by people not in that demographic.

    Nothing has changed. If it weren't for you meddling .... Why are we always so concerned about other people doing things that have only theoretical or imagined impacts on us?

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