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Tesla Wins Permit Approval For Diner and Drive-In Movie Supercharger In LA (teslarati.com) 81

Posted by BeauHD from the he-wasn't-joking dept.
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Teslarati: Tesla has won permit approval for its Diner and Drive-In Movie Supercharger in Los Angeles, according to documents seen by Teslarati from the LA Department of Building and Safety. Tesla has been teasing the possibility for several years of a drive-in movie theater and diner Supercharger site that would host 32 stalls, two screens to show famous movie clips, and a restaurant with rooftop seating. Initially, it was planned to be built on a series of lots in Santa Monica. However, the location was moved East to Hollywood and will now be placed on located at 7001 W. Santa Monica Boulevard. As the project has been moving through the normal regulatory processes, Tesla has been receiving some approvals and requests for corrections on many of its filed applications to begin construction at the Diner/Supercharger.
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  • Concept is good, but... (Score:5, Funny)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday August 24, 2023 @07:36PM (#63794800)

    Unfortunately Elon Musk has declared that the drive-in theater will only show "Rich Men North of Richmond" and "Sound of Freedom", in rotation, for the foreseeable future.

    • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

      by hunter44102 ( 890157 )
      That's the easy part. The hard part will be to fend off the crime and homeless people in that Democrat Cesspool city of Los Angeles
      • You're trolling, but that is not a great part of Hollywood. Maybe this will turn that stretch around.
        I'm not one of the richest men in the world, but I would put my destination recharging station further from people's home chargers and competing entertainment.
  • I already have that, it's called YouTube on my phone.

    • Right! And it's not like you could watch an entire two hour movie while Supercharging, because your EV would be all full of gas after an hour or so, and they'd charge an idle fee.

    • Also, there is Netflix in the car, on the much larger screen than your phone.

      • Also, there is Netflix in the car, on the much larger screen than your phone.

        Also YouTube, Hulu, and a bunch of other stuff.

  • So it's basically a restaurant with a bunch of supercharger stalls in the parking lot? And apparently a couple screens that they can't be bothered to include a rendering of.

    We have a couple of drive in theaters still operating in my area and the idea is to come early and stay late for one or two features. I can't see how screens showing "clips of famous movies" will be anything more than background noise - by calling it a drive in theater I guess they think people will sit in their cars to watch?
    • If the Tesla charges in 30 minutes, then I suppose that's all the time that people are supposed to stay there.

      No, I did not read the article.
  • Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Tom ( 822 )

      Given the size of the proposed venue, ad revenue is going to be ridiculously small, so I doubt that.

      It's a brand thing, IMHO. The more omni-present Tesla is, the better for the stock price.

  • I'd say the the movie screen is mostly a fun gimmick IMHO that draws on classic American car culture, but then again, I am not American. IDK why people get so upset. :D The drive in diner OTOH seems more like a good match for a Supercharger, although I would prefer to get out of the car and stretch my legs.

    If people were to watch movies in their Tesla, they probably would use Netflix, Disney+ or some of the other streaming apps that are supported directly on the screen and stereo in the car.

  • The fact that it can take years to get a permit like this, and it will make the news when you do, is a huge red flag. Our approval process is deeply flawed.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Agripa ( 139780 )

      The fact that it can take years to get a permit like this, and it will make the news when you do, is a huge red flag. Our approval process is deeply flawed.

      He should never have been required to get permission. At most, he should have had to give notification.

  • So instead of deciding technology that can charge in five minutes they will profit from the dedicated audience they have created. Isn't capitalism grand?
    • Instead of developing*

    • Five minutes is probably out of reach for the foreseeable future. The difficulty in increasing C rates is that it requires increasing battery pack parallelism because there are per cell limits. But automakers are headed in the other direction, using smaller numbers of prismatic cells.

      As an EV owner what you really want is to avoid fast charges, because discharging faster than you charge is a way to avoid lithium islanding separating the lithium from the anode. It would make more sense to plan to watch a who

      • Then they will never be more than a toy. Auto makers are already passing on stocking them because they aren't finding them very profitable. Recently i read an article about what a pain they are to live with [slashdot.org]. I didn't realize they lose charge just when they sit in your driveway, so a person who works from home will still need to charge it. It doesn't really matter if they put interesting things at charging stations, they will all cost money which will drive up the cost of charging anyway. This is not he

        • I didn't realize they lose charge just when they sit in your driveway, so a person who works from home will still need to charge it.

          A person who works from home can plug it into a mere 15A 120V outlet to solve that problem. Over time the loss will decrease as the technology is refined, and in some climates it is already minimal. Battery packs will wind up insulated and with slightly more active cooling to match, and that will mitigate the loss problem. The automakers are picking the low hanging fruit now, and which funds the R&D to address the shortcomings of EVs. We've been building mostly ICEVs for over a century, that's a long ti

          • Ok but laws are coming into place to make it more difficult/expensive to use ICEs now. So there is no time for these innovations to come about. EVs need to work for everyone within a few years.

            • laws are coming into place to make it more difficult/expensive to use ICEs now.

              False. In fact laws are coming into place to make it more difficult/expensive to use EVs now, e.g. extra taxes to pay for road maintenance to make up for the fact they don't pay fuel taxes.

              So there is no time for these innovations to come about. EVs need to work for everyone within a few years.

              Most people for whom EVs won't work well don't buy new cars, because they cost too much. No region of significance is planning to ban the sale of new ICEVs sooner than 12 years from now, which is four times longer than "a few years".

              • In 2026 no auto dealership in Canada can sell more than 80% ICEs to 20% EVs.

                • That law makes it harder to SELL ICEVs, not to use them. The difference matters.

                  • If the supply of new ICEs is any less than the demand for them, then the prices go up. This will affect not only new ICEs but used ones as well. Simple laws of economics. So yes, if you have one you can still use it. But if you no longer have one and you can't afford a new one then you are limited from using one.
      • This is the link: https://thefederalist.com/2023... [thefederalist.com]

        • Article concludes that because a Tesla is not suitable for road trips around Seattle, that EVs are bad. What a pathetic fucking waste of bandwidth. I knew it would be because of the source, but I went ahead and skimmed it anyway to avoid Ad Hominem.

          • Well I can guarantee to you that Seattle is far ahead of where I am in Canada. Yet I am going to have the supply of ICE's artificially limited so that they become more expensive by 2026.

            • I was just in Canada and most small towns In rural Ontario have 6.6KW chargers.

              • And how long does it take to charge from 20 to 80 on one of those? Are there as many chargers as there are gas stations? ie. how convenient are they to get to?

    • Well, you're right of course, and Toyota is promising a 10 minute charge on their solid state battery to be delivered in 2027 - 2028 timeframe. 10 minutes is all you need, because that's only going to be used that way on long trips - you'll charge at home for way less money any time you can - and a normal gas stop on a long trip includes bathroom, and snack and drink selection, boosting the total time to gas up to about 20 minutes. I know, 'cuz I measured it on the way back from Las Vegas last year. Th

      • I don't buy food at gas stations. Much faster to just pay at the pump and get going. All food is prepared and the night before and stored in a cooler so we can eat on the road; much faster and cheaper that way. That way you only need to stop every three or four hours. My kids have small bladders, otherwise i would just drive from fill to fill.

        • With about a 400 mile range and 60 mph avereage (That's AVERAGE - just try 60 AVERAGE on some of these 65 and 70 mph interstates, it is surprisingly difficult) I can go more than 6 hours fill-to-fill. But my kidneys can't. I'll likely get hungry before 6 hours too.

          • But then you have to wait a lot longer to charge than a gas fill takes. Are you spending money at that restaurant because you wanted to go to that restaurant or because you are basically stranded there with nothing else to do? Also factor in that you should only operate the battery between 20% and 80% and since I'm in Canada, i need to be concerned about the 30-40% loss in cold weather if i want to be comfortable.

            • Its not a lot longer if you get one of the high performance cars that charge in 20 minutes. I timed my gas stop coming back from Las Vegas last November, and by the time I stood there like an idiot to monitor the gas flow into the car, went into the store to do bathroom, food, and dring selection, and got back out, it was 20 minutes. You can plug your car in immediately upon arrival, go in and do what I did in the store, come back out, and your car will be done in just a few minutes more, and no more th

              • That's why i never bother buying things at the gas station. Too expensive and takes too long, also probably something that i don't need. I fill and pay at the pump, take a leak if i need and go. If you are doing the 20 minute fill, then you have to do a lot more, especially if it is -30c outside. A basic standard EV is so expensive as it is, much more than a comparative ICE. I'm not paying more for a long range for a couple long trips a year, yet I don't want the inconvenience of a standard. Yes, Toyo
  • What the heck happened to Netflix and Charge????

  • Hex would’ve fit the site better, seating arrangement and avoided human factors many people who are uncomfortable inside cylindrical buildings.

    Still a successful Supercharger, marquee Eat at Elon’s schtick and added tourist magmet for Tesla advertising.

  • A state bursting with EV charging infrastructure and not enough utility capacity to actually make sure of it...

    Meanwhile the middle of the country is a fast wasteland where chargers of various performance are rare outside of big cities and missing one generally strands you.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Agripa ( 139780 )

      A state bursting with EV charging infrastructure and not enough utility capacity to actually make sure of it...

      Meanwhile the middle of the country is a fast wasteland where chargers of various performance are rare outside of big cities and missing one generally strands you.

      I have recently been doing a lot of traveling across the US in my pickup, and there is no way I could have done it with any EV unless it had enough range to drive more than all day. Some selected routes in theory have enough charging stations to make it at great inconvenience, but in practice too many charging stations are not operational leaving people stranded every 300 miles. And of course there is no way to know which charging stations are operational ahead of time because that would be bad publicity.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Chas ( 5144 )

        Yep.

        Thanks for the input.

        And it's not to say "Electric Bad" or that the situation is, necessarily, anyone's "fault".

        It's just a brutally honest assessment of the current state of the charging infrastructure.

        It WILL get better over time.

        But the whole "range anxiety" thing is still a real issue. As much as boosters try to pretend that if you're using an EV in this manner, you're "doing it wrong".

  • There will still be gory car deaths every single fucking day, and long slow obesity deaths from never fucking moving a muscle. It is pathetic.

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