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Google Nears Release of Conversational AI Software 'Gemini' 20

According to The Information, Google is nearing the release of Gemini, its conversational artificial intelligence software intended to compete with OpenAI's GPT-4 model. Reuters reports: For Google, the stakes of Gemini's launch are high. Google has intensified investments in generative AI this year as it plays catch-up after Microsoft-backed OpenAI's launch of ChatGPT last year took the tech world by storm. Gemini is a collection of large-language models that power everything from chatbots to features that either summarize text or generate original text based on what users want to read like email drafts, music lyrics, or news stories, the report said. It is also expected to help software engineers write code and generate original images based on what users ask to see.

Google is currently giving developers access to a relatively large version of Gemini, but not the largest version it is developing which would be more on par with GPT-4, the report said. The search and advertising giant plans to make Gemini available to companies through its Google Cloud Vertex AI service.
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  • For Google, the stakes of Gemini's launch are high.

    The hype is high, the stakes are not high.

    • The stakes certainly are high for Google. This is the first time anyone has posed a real threat to Google's search dominance.

      • There's a big [citation needed] in terms of whether this threatens Google's search dominance. Bing search hasn't suddenly gotten better (or more popular), despite its integration of a chat bot. It's not likely to be a problem until chat bots can solve their hallucination problem.

        It's also not the first time anyone posed a real threat to Google. When Bing integrated Wolfram Alpha, it was a serious threat, and produced definitively better results for a lot of types of queries. Google responded by building t
        • It's not likely to be a problem until chatbots can solve their hallucination problem.

          The hallucinations will be solved with faster hardware, deeper networks, more data, and better algorithms. That will likely happen much sooner than most people expect.

          Faster hardware and deeper networks will happen with the new 3nm tensor processors due early next year. More data is already available. Better algorithms will include more adversarial feedback and boosting [wikipedia.org].

          When you look at a current LLM, you're looking at an infant or maybe a toddler. They will grow up fast.

          • When you look at a current LLM, you're looking at an infant or maybe a toddler.

            No toddler has read 8 billion books or websites. You can't compare them like that.

            • No toddler has read 8 billion books or websites. You can't compare them like that.

              Indeed. Also, LLMs don't wear diapers.

              But that's okay because the comparison was a metaphor. I wasn't saying that an LLM is literally a small child not yet potty-trained.

              • The only thing that's going to make a difference is better algorithms. (That doesn't mean it's not useful, but Siri is useful while not being intelligent). There are two core problems it needs to solve:

                1) ChatGPT has no internal representation of concepts.
                2) ChatGPT is not turing complete. This is why ChatGPT will not be able to program (more than just toy problems).
      • by shaun ( 29783 )

        Ok, I'll bite - Who is posing a real threat to Google's search dominance?

        • Ok, I'll bite - Who is posing a real threat to Google's search dominance?

          Microsoft in partnership with OpenAI.

          Google still dominates, but unless they improve quickly, that could change.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Microsoft is trying yet again to introduce an assistant into Windows. Having just murdered Cortana, the now have a ChatGPT one in preview builds of Windows 11. From what I've seen it's deeply unimpressive, and would doubtless become one of those things you immediately disable after installation completes, but still... It's there and Google seems to be worried.

            I've been testing out Google's Bard AI. It's okay... Sometimes the answers it gives are quite good, but almost always excessively long. You can ask fo

        • Sorry, I didn't realize this wasn't clear. ChatGPT, of course. And Bing Chat, which is based on ChatGPT.

    • For Google, the stakes of Gemini's launch are high.

      The hype is high, the stakes are not high.

      No, I think that the stakes for Google are higher than, say, Microsoft making Bob Clippy Cortana Copilot successful, because the standard is different for Google.

      OpenAI pulled from whatever-they-could. There are questions about exactly *what* they pulled from and the nature of those sources, but ChatGPT seems to be proving at least somewhat-useful to some people.

      Google has been well known to be scraping an absurd amount of data for decades. They have trillions of e-mails, contacts, calendars, documents, and

  • by Thantik ( 1207112 ) on Friday September 15, 2023 @07:04PM (#63852514)
    Can't Google just ... have one product focus at a time? At one point they had Hangouts, Google Chat, Google Meet, Duo, Messages, Voice...
    Now we've got Bard, Gemini...how many weeks until we have 3 or 4 more "AI" properties that do exactly the same thing...
    • Can't Google just ... have one product focus at a time? At one point they had Hangouts, Google Chat, Google Meet, Duo, Messages, Voice... Now we've got Bard, Gemini...how many weeks until we have 3 or 4 more "AI" properties that do exactly the same thing...

      I think Google is taking the "systemd" approach to products - keep throwing stuff out there until something shows enough "staying power" and then sort of maintain it.

      Personally I would prefer Google take a more UNIX approach to products - get a product stablized, developed, showing some following, then maintain the heck out of it, even if it means working on fewer products at the same time.

  • Did they not know that Gemini is already the name of a popular cryptocurrency trading exchange? Is there an office of registering names to avoid conflicts like this? Did they bother doing a quick Google search, or was it intentional?

    • Did they not know that Gemini is already the name of a popular cryptocurrency trading exchange?

      There are dozens of companies and products that use "Gemini".

      Is there an office of registering names to avoid conflicts like this?

      It's not a conflict because they are two different businesses and don't compete.

      When registering a trademark, you only register it for a specific business, product, or service.

  • Somehow, I do not think so. By the time Google has something halfway usable, the AI hype will be over.

  • AI swallows with deep throat technology . . .Oral 3d modeling of FELLATIO and CUNNILINGUS literally "Blows Away" Bard and Bing. . New "Deep Throat" AI really sucks. swallows, and licks the stiff competition.

Do you suffer painful hallucination? -- Don Juan, cited by Carlos Casteneda

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