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Raspberry Pi 5 Announced (raspberrypi.com) 204

jizmonkey writes: The new version of Raspberry Pi is priced at $60 for the 4GB variant, and $80 for its 8GB sibling, and virtually every aspect of the platform has been upgraded. The new CPU is twice as fast and new features include simultaneous 5.0 Gbps USB 3.0 ports and a PCIe 2.0 x1 interface which can be used for an m.2 storage. Priority will be given to individual buyers through the end of the year.
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Raspberry Pi 5 Announced

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Open datasheets when?

    • Screw datasheets.

      Availability from non-scalpers when???

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      The Pi was never about being open source. The Pi was designed to be built as cheaply as possible and be open with the schematics. It was designed as a tool for children to use and experiment with.

      If you want fully open source silicon then you should be looking at RISC-V.

  • Still even the old pi's are out of stock everywhere... Or you can pay a scalper 150 dollars for a pi3. No, this reached stupid... Pi is done for, as far as I care. What good is a product you can't buy?

    • Still even the old pi's are out of stock everywhere... Or you can pay a scalper 150 dollars for a pi3. No, this reached stupid... Pi is done for, as far as I care. What good is a product you can't buy?

      When I couldn't buy one some months back, they were unobtanium, and they had some whiny screed about how they simply had to serve the commercial people.

      Funny how the Pi foundation, which had as it's mission to encourage people to learn about computers, abandoned those same people.

      I can find other devices, so sorry Pi - looks like you need to just sell to commercial outfits - just take the no longer accurate learning to code and learning computers BS off your website, and figure out your new customer d

      • Funny how the Pi foundation, which had as it's mission to encourage people to learn about computers, abandoned those same people..

        Let me see if I understand you. The Raspberry Pi foundation designs SBCs and makes a limited number of them for educational purposes for young people. The foundation does not manufacture the vast amount of them for retail sales. You are not a young person who could not get one of these units in the retail market (that they did not manufacture). And you feel the foundation has abandoned their mission. Did I frame your grievance correctly?

        • Funny how the Pi foundation, which had as it's mission to encourage people to learn about computers, abandoned those same people..

          Let me see if I understand you. The Raspberry Pi foundation designs SBCs and makes a limited number of them for educational purposes for young people. The foundation does not manufacture the vast amount of them for retail sales. You are not a young person who could not get one of these units in the retail market (that they did not manufacture). And you feel the foundation has abandoned their mission. Did I frame your grievance correctly?

          No, you did not. Have you ever bought one? At one time, they were to be purchased in many places. Young people bought them. Despite your ageist statement, old people bought them, the bastards! Hobbyists. Even people like me, that piss you off because I am alive.

          I mean, since you made an entire story up out of whole cloth, I figure I can make up shit about you as well.

          So really, knock it off, it makes you sound like a person just looking for something to get pissed off about, and the weirdest whatabouti

  • Competitors have caught them and then surpassed specs/prices of the 5 as well.
    • Competitors have caught them and then surpassed specs/prices of the 5 as well.

      I tried out the Le Potato for 35 or so dollars. Works fine, and I got it in two days. Pi abandoned us for commercial interests. Their path forward is now upping their prices to whatever point the business interests will support. We don't need them any more.

    • by myrdos2 ( 989497 )

      Can you recommend one that can run Linux? I've got a Raspberry Pi 1b for robotics projects, and I've been planning to upgrade. I see the Pi 5 has a fan though, which is a problem for me since it has to operate in a closed environment with little airflow.

      • The fan is optional. In general, the newer device runs cooler than the previous device. Unless you're crunching heavy loads, the heat sink of all Pis is just fine. As the fine article states, even the Debian (linux) OS is being updated for this hardware.

      • I bet the folks over at the "Fanless Tech" website can help you find any number of fanless PC designs, but only if physical space is not an issue for you.
    • I've been having good luck with OrangePi. $60 w/case and power supply. Has built-in WiFi, BT, IR plus 8gb eMMC module. And they are available.
    • by kriston ( 7886 )

      You're right, that ship has sailed.

      We've moved to the new PINE64 variants and the Orange Pi line.

    • Sort of. You can find cheaper than the Pi yes, but not usually at similar specs. You can also find faster than the Pi, but its usually going to be more expensive or much larger/bulkier. A lot of them also just don't have the software support that the Pi does.

      Particularly when factoring in the Pi Zero devices, Pi is a very good balance of performance, price, size, and efficiency.

      And yes I've had to try some alternatives during the shortage too. For several 3d printer projects I used the BTT CB1 instead o

  • This is great, an outstanding achievement that will make the RPI far more usable as a PC. But I can't help but think the RPI has lost its soul a little.

    I would have liked to see something more experimenter friendly - eg. Add a in-house developed FPGA with an open source toolchain, or some of the interesting features from the pico like the IO processor, or even an AI-related core.

    I think the platform was intended to fuel education and it seems that ground has been ceded to lower end devices now, like the mic

    • I would have liked to see something more experimenter friendly - eg. Add a in-house developed FPGA with an open source toolchain, or some of the interesting features from the pico like the IO processor, or even an AI-related core.

      Or even analogue audio out which is actually really handy for experimenter stuff. Nope. They caught the Apple disease.

    • what you're probably after is the Pico range.

      Aren't FPGA's still really pricey? I don't really pay much attention to them to be fair. I know the ones used for the Mister project are an arm and a leg ($300+) but I think those are overkill for regular hobby projects.
    • For me, the new RPis are too powerful. I o not use a Rpi to play 4K videos or video games, I also do not use it as a proper server.

      My uses for RPis are for their GPIO pins (controlling a relay or reading some input over the network with simple bash scripts) or as a simple low power PC/switch to sniff packets to figure out why part of a network is not working and which packets do not go all the way to/from the router.

      RPi3 is enough for this, RPi2 may also be enough. Of course, they are not made anymore and i

    • by necro81 ( 917438 )
      Along with the RPi5 announcement, they made mention of a HAT (shield) that will connect to the PCIE bus and has an M.2 connector:

      From early 2024, we will be offering a pair of mechanical adapter boards which convert between this connector and a subset of the M.2 standard, allowing users to attach NVMe SSDs and other M.2-format accessories. The first, which conforms to the standard HAT form factor, is intended for mounting larger devices. The second, which shares the L-shaped form factor of the new PoE+ HAT,

  • The ram size is a disappointment, but hopefully more will be released later.
    The price too. I think a 16GB version plus an M2 hat will take us closer to $150 or more.
    I'm glad it uses less power or otherwise covers the overheating issues of version 4.

    I personally use it for lower level code and hardware integrations and would have loved an embedded FPGA, M4 core or even the PIO from the pico against its GPIO. Give us a bunch more connectors in front of PIO/FPGA modules that sit in front of the GPIO to open up
  • by Anonymous Coward

    RPI should stop trying to be a desktop and focus on what it was always supposed to be: an embedded platform.

    GbE, a bunch of USBs, and multiple 4K HDMI... all a colossal waste of time and money. It doesn't have enough performance to be a desktop, and it doesn't have the I/O or peripherals to be an embedded system (they expect you to buy a hat for that).

    In short: it is a useless waste of $80.

  • I've already moved on to RISC-V.

    The lack of open specs has been a constant struggle on RPi. Just one example is finding a consistently working ffmpeg because the GPU is "secret".

    Add in the lack of supply chain for small accounts and low spec per dollar and it was easy.

    RPi courted the alpha nerds early on to great success.

    The only downside now is waiting for Alibaba shipping but, having some spares is a good idea anyway.

    Even Xen dom0 is basically working.

  • by bb_matt ( 5705262 ) on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:36PM (#63884043)

    I'm probably talking out my ass here - not uncommon - but I always viewed the Raspberry-pi as a device where raw computing power was secondary.
    Yet here we are with another set of stats about the cpu and gpu power being x times better than the last iteration.

    The problem? as I see it, is people trying to use the Pi for things it wasn't ever capable of doing with performance.
    Computing that didn't suit the form factor nor spec.

    Are the creators chasing that market? I don't know. I guess they are simply utilising compute power for each iteration in terms of cost - the same price point x years later takes advantage of what's available at the time.

    But still, the idea persists that the raspberry pi is capable of all tasks at a low price point - sure, it is, but not at speed.

    I kinda wish the direction was more attuned to the original excitement.
    Expand on the versatility, rather than focussing on raw gpu/cpu power. Focus on what makes it great - low power, portability, small form factor, edge cases, iot etc.

    We see people trying to use the pi for compute power that really doesn't add up at all.

    Heck, at that point, a slightly bigger form factor - just get an intel NUC or something.

    If you aren't into the maker game, using the Pi as a low power useful device for robotics or home automation etc. - you soon realise that for maybe $50 more you can get 10x the performance.

    You no longer get blinded by the low price point and realise the Pi isn't actually for _you_

    Yet here we are, the focus is just faster cpu and gpu, rather than on what the original intent was.

     

    • Longevity and cost-effectiveness over a full lifecycle. The Pi 5 will still be manufactured until at least 2035, which effectively guarantees support until at least 2037 (EU makes sure everything is supported for at least 2 years IIRC) making the lifecycle a total of 14 years. At £80 for an 8GB model, that's equivalent to £6/year, which is absolutely insane value for money, provided the performance is suitable for your workload. At the same time, they're inching ever closer to a mass market home

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