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Omegle Shuts Down After 15 Years (techcrunch.com) 58

Omegle, a popular online chat service that allowed individuals to connect and chat with strangers, has shut down after 15 years citing growing misuse of the platform, including in committing "unspeakably heinous crimes." From a report: The site, founded in 2009 by a then 18-year-old programmer and high school student Leif K-Brooks, was bootstrapped throughout its existence. Though it waned in popularity over the years, it still pulled about 50 million visitors last month, according to analytics firm SimilarWeb.
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Omegle Shuts Down After 15 Years

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  • As usual (Score:5, Insightful)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @06:24AM (#63992545)

    including in committing "unspeakably heinous crimes."

    This is why we can't have nice things. There's always a human who has to ruin it.

    • Re:As usual (Score:5, Informative)

      by TheNameOfNick ( 7286618 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @07:23AM (#63992589)

      It's important to recognize that his closing notice doesn't blame the perpetrators of those crimes for the shutting down of Omegle. He has worked against crime on his site and by his own account delivered evidence to authorities that has landed criminals in jail. The attacks he's writing about and which have made Omegle unsustainable come from people who strive to shut down the platform, and not in the DDoS sense, but legally. Some may argue that the criminals force the hand of those people, but if you think that way, you should read the well thought-out message [omegle.com] which explains the shutdown.

      • Ok, I read the whole thing.

        It was meant to build on the things I loved about the Internet, while introducing a form of social spontaneity that I felt didn’t exist elsewhere. If the Internet is a manifestation of the “global village”, Omegle was meant to be a way of strolling down a street in that village, striking up conversations with the people you ran into along the way.

        Maybe children don't need to talk to strangers on a random global street? This feels kind of obvious. There are so many good programs I can put my kids in to expose them to all sorts of social situations and different cultures and attitudes, setting them out alone to talk to random people in a random city is so dumb.

        When they say Omegle shouldn’t exist, they are really saying that you shouldn’t be allowed to use it; that you shouldn’t be allowed to meet random new people online.

        When he says "you" is he talking to ME or my 13 year old child? There seems to be a cognitive dissonance throughout the whole post, not differentiating between minor c

        • Re:As usual (Score:5, Insightful)

          by TheNameOfNick ( 7286618 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @02:55PM (#63993811)

          Take your "think of the children" argument and shove it where the sun won't shine. Keeping children out of an online site is impossible, so you would have to child-proof the entire internet or require pervasive identification, 80s Soviet Bloc "papers please" style at every server. No child gets on the internet by itself. Parents give them access and then abscond, so the website operator must babysit their offspring? And then what about the weak-minded adults who become victimized by psychopaths? Is that the fault of the website operator too? Did you miss the part where the site was indeed taking steps to find and police abuse? Do you think that crime can be prevented and failure to do a perfect job of that justifies existential threats through lawsuits?

        • We should also ban those new-fangled telephones, because they allow people to randomly dial numbers and talk to the random people who answer them. If such "telephone" devices are allowed to exist for more than 5 years, it will obviously corrupt our children, and society will collapse.

        • When he says "you" is he talking to ME or my 13 year old child?

          If your 13-year-old child is using this, that's on you, as it is on other parents and their children.

    • Re:As usual (Score:5, Insightful)

      by classiclantern ( 2737961 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @07:50AM (#63992635)
      Let's be brutally honest here. The reason we can't have nice things is because there is always a Lawyer or Politician who has to ruin it. Trolls can be filtered-out and ignored.
      • Re:As usual (Score:4, Insightful)

        by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @08:12AM (#63992675)

        This. And it becomes painfully obvious when you realize where most of the litigation money ends up.

        We don't have a Justice system anymore. We have a Legal system. By lawyers, for lawyers. Liability is the reason you shut down and walk away from 50 million monthly visitors.

        • An open source free AI lawyer that's allowed by the courts could go a long way toward reclaiming our justice system back.

          • An open source free AI lawyer that's allowed by the courts could go a long way toward reclaiming our justice system back.

            We have free public defenders available today, embedded within Miranda rights. They even win cases from time to time.

            A free price tag may not guarantee anything, but one thing is certain; if a free or for-profit AI-powered lawyer is what you're up against, you better get that AI-powered defender on your side. Damn good chance you would need it against the vulcan mind-melded powers of 100+ years of legal precedent, tips, tricks, and tools embedded in the Termi-Litigator you're up against.

            (Scary thinking abo

      • There are places [wikipedia.org] that are practically lawless.

        I'd rather have the imperfect system we have in the USA than no legal system at all.

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        There typically is also a priest in there somewhere, as the driving force. Unlike politicians and lawyers, these have learned to be very careful with what they say publicly.

      • Let's be brutally honest here. The reason we can't have nice things is because there is always a Lawyer or Politician who has to ruin it. Trolls can be filtered-out and ignored.

        The internet has always been ahead of legislators and the court system. Trolls can't really be filtered or ignored, especially at scale, especially when you consider many are state-sponsored. Extremists always find a way to be the loudest voices in the room. Criminals always exploit opportunities...it's what they're known for. From day 1, you probably realized you can't trust anyone online and the more users a service attracts, the greater number of garbage overruns the site. Sorry, my experience has be

  • How can you make one without breaking some eggs?

  • "Think of the children!"

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] That site had online music and a wiki, and there were some bad actors that abused it.
  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @08:30AM (#63992701) Homepage

    If I have followed the story correctly, there are a couple of problems here - but really, one main problem.

    The platform started with a really simple and nice idea: wouldn't it be cool to chat with some random people? This was a huge hit, and many people used it. From the comments on HackerRank, quite a few people made lasting friendships, and even met their life partners.

    Over time, he added more capabilities, including video chat. Also over time, and possibly because of these new capabilities, the platform started to have a lot of sexting and sexual content. In the case that seems to have driven the founder to close Omegle, a young girl got caught up in video chats with a pedo. The usual, sordid sequence of events: Each chat, he would threaten to expose previous material, if she didn't send him even more material. I believe he also lured her to other platforms, where the exchanges were easier - Omegle was just where it started. When this finally came to light, the parents needed someone to blame. Someone other than themselves, of course. The big platforms have tons of lawyers, but Omegle doesn't, so target selection was easy.

    It seems to me that the real problem here is the American tort system, which is just so broken. The parents shouldn't be able to just sue Omegle without some actual evidence of complicity or guilt. Only in the US do you get these stupid lawsuits. Lean your ladder against a power line, and sue the ladder manufacturer when you get a shock.

    Also: This was a massive parenting fail. There are lots of ways this girl could have come into contact with a creep. They failed to impress on her the dangers of the Internet, and they failed to notice the problems she was having once it all started. "Don't walk off with strange people" is important, but so is "Don't chat with people who make you uncomfortable." and so is the kid knowing she could talk to her parents. Suing Omegle is just a way of avoiding looking in the mirror.

    • by diaz ( 816483 )

      "massive parenting fail"? Omegle came about at the beginning of the social media explosion. Parents, teachers and kids were barely aware that sites like this existed, let alone did they have the tools to deal with them.

      A pre-teen or teen can grasp the dangers of getting into a car with a stranger much more readily than the dangers of simply talking to a stranger online. Getting into a stranger's car has to happen in a single instance. Online predators don't start with "want some candy?" They start with very

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Suing ... is just a way of avoiding looking in the mirror.

      There is a lot of that going on. Also public shaming, accusing people of crimes but never reporting those crimes (because, oops, falsely reporting a crime is a crime), etc. Obviously a lot of people would urgently need that look into the mirror to maybe become halfway decent human beings in the future. Equally obviously they move heaven and earth and blame any and all others they can to avoid that cold, hard look that would actually do something good for them.

  • by HBI ( 10338492 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @09:42AM (#63992857)

    Dressed up like clowns or something. Inevitably, more than half of the respondents were guys with their dicks out masturbating.

    Probably a good idea to shut it down. No one involved was blameless.

  • I had no idea of what it actually was. Apparently, it was a website of some sort? That never managed to be profitable?

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      It's a thing where you hit a button, and after a few seconds you get paired with a random other user somewhere in the world for video chat, and they immediately hit skip, so the screen goes grey for a few more seconds, and then you get paired again, rinse, repeat.

      HTH.HAND.
  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @10:22AM (#63992979)

    They shut down because of "unspeakably heinous crimes"?

    I thought that was the reason it existed in the first place? Was there anything else anyone did on that platform?

    • Yes... the vast majority of people used it to connect with people, and converse with others around the world.

      It was a magical place, and the best example of what the internet was excellent at... creating connections.

  • by Hoi Polloi ( 522990 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @10:28AM (#63992993) Journal

    If you have any public forum, physical or online, there will always be people who will go out of their way to ruin it. These are the people who lick the spoons at buffets.

    • But I really think we should have public funded wood chippers to send people like that that through.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 ) on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:38AM (#63993249)

      There is. It's called the Tragedy of the Commons.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        "Tragedy of the unmanaged commons" is what you're talking about.

        managed commons are the basis of human society.

      • ... Tragedy of the Commons.

        To me, that means one person (or self-funded group) doesn't have the power to fix everyone else's laziness and apathy. (Aside: There's a fine line between protecting communal things and "you people need to obey my rules" dogmatism, Eg. censoring library books and school-books.)

        This is one stranger indulging his selfish, dangerous, anti-social habits. Once one arsehole knows it's a safe place for that behaviour, well, "birds of feather" shit.

        When one will meet more arseholes than normal people, why v

  • "unspeakably heinous crimes" are right down my alley.

  • I am heartbroken!

    Yes Omegle was used for some bad things, but it was the crown jewel of the internet! You could instantly be connected to any person, anywhere in the world. At no time in human history before was this possible.

    This is one of the greatest losses humanity has ever suffered, and people don't realize it...

  • ...to omega [wikipedia.org]. Sometimes names predict the destiny.
  • A lawsuit alleges that a woman was "forced" to undress on webcam for a man when she was a minor, starting at age 11 and continuing for three years. Survivor? Forced? Hmm. Maybe vehemently persuaded and tricked, definitely not forced.

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