Pornhub Disables Website In Texas After Age-Verification Lawsuit (thehill.com) 187
"Pornhub has disabled its site in Texas," reports the Hill, "to object to a state law that requires the company to verify the age of users to prevent minors from accessing the site."
Texas residents who visit the site are met with a message from the company that criticizes the state's elected officials who are requiring them to track the age of users. The company said the newly passed law impinges on "the rights of adults to access protected speech" and fails to pass strict scrutiny by "employing the least effective and yet also most restrictive means of accomplishing Texas's stated purpose of allegedly protecting minors."
Pornhub said safety and compliance are "at the forefront" of the company's mission, but having users provide identification every time they want to access the site is "not an effective solution for protecting users online... Attempting to mandate age verification without any means to enforce at scale gives platforms the choice to comply or not, leaving thousands of platforms open and accessible," the message said, adding that "very few sites are able to compare the robust Trust and Safety measures we currently have in place."
The article adds that the state's attorney general is suing the owners of Pornhub for $1.6 million failing to enact age verification, plus an additional $10,000 a day.
Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader ArchieBunker for sharing the news.
The article adds that the state's attorney general is suing the owners of Pornhub for $1.6 million failing to enact age verification, plus an additional $10,000 a day.
Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader ArchieBunker for sharing the news.
This is so stupid (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:This is so stupid (Score:4, Insightful)
Any government run age verification system for accessing porn is a First Amendment violation of protected speech.
Re:This is so stupid (Score:4, Interesting)
Kids can easily install an opera browser and set the vpn, and use something like Tor, which would probably expose them to far worse things. Kids are smarter than people think. They will circumvent this as easily as adults will. I do wish the supreme court would get rid of this, but instead the supremes think bump stocks don't create automatic weapons, so we know they are a bunch of true ideological idiots.
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A driver's license is used in book stores to purchase adult materials, like magazines, blu rays, etc.
I'm middle aged and certainly look it, so I haven't been carded in quite awhile. It's really only younger folks who have to deal with showing ID.
Re:This is so stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm middle aged and certainly look it, so I haven't been carded in quite awhile. It's really only younger folks who have to deal with showing ID.
And if you live in one of these states, now you'll not only be carded every time you buy porn, but every single time you access it. With a government run identity system, your identity will be tagged to your chats, your specific views, your searches, every single interaction. Every single thing you comment, say, is now public and tied to your true identity in a provable way.
Online anonymity will cease to exist, for all things.
And if you think that won't happen, you know nothing about technology, politicians, or criminals. If you thing that kind of system won't be soon expanded into every other thing you do online, you're a fool.
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I'm not sure how you interpreted this as being supportive of this dumb idea. Since I do live in a state that is presently attempting to pass exactly the same idiocy, I'll likely just install a VPN and lament even harder the fact my state is run by morons who hate freedom. Not that I'm really surprised, the 1A is pretty much just a suggestion in Florida and is among several of the red states all trying to see which one can speedrun fascism the hardest.
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Yeah, like the Russians and Chinese have to do to access their internet.
Great fucking idea, until the government decides to outlaw the use of VPNs to bypass identity services!
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Great fucking idea, until the government decides to outlaw the use of VPNs to bypass identity services!
Getting your entertainment content by sailing the high seas is already illegal and they're not having much luck enforcing that, either.
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They could, if they wanted to. To make it easier, they could outlaw VPNs.
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Re:This is so stupid (Score:5, Informative)
Texas has also banned abortion, and some politicians are talking about banning contraceptives for non-married couples, and even sex except for the purposes of reproduction. Those people are on the fringes of the GOP, but history tells us that they are really just the ones dumb enough to say out loud what many of the others are thinking.
Of course, last week we found yet another one of them had an account on a gay hook-up site. Repressing that stuff seems to make them want to force others to be joyless too.
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A year ago, everyone said the "let's abandon Ukraine to the Orcs!" crowd was tiny and inconsequential, and now they're successfully holding up critical battlefield funding, undermining support in Europe, and their candidate for president is promising to give Ukraine to his gal pal on day one.
13 years ago I defended the Republican Party on abortion on the grounds that they'd never, ever win. Now it's illegal in many states.
I no longer shit all over the slippery slope argument.
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Don't worry -- we rent those tapes out, too.
We even devoted a special section for those. We're still waiting for the reviews; a lot of people think those are fake. The reviews, that is; not the midgets--they're professional actors. With stud doubles.
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No wonder you're still waiting for reviews! You can't have a special section for 'em! As a former porn worker, you gotta mix it up, man!
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Don't worry -- we rent those tapes out, too.
We even devoted a special section for those. We're still waiting for the reviews; a lot of people think those are fake. The reviews, that is; not the midgets--they're professional actors. With stud doubles.
Ah yes - Shemale midget scat pR0n! A favorite of people from The holy and apostolic state of Texas.
Re:This is so stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
Showing your ID is a LOT different from passing every one of your porn views through an electronic government surveillance system.
It's an unwarranted search and a violation of privacy, as well.
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Hard to implement? Id.Me already exists. I just had to sign up to it to us the IRS site. And I just checked, it's used by not just the fed in many agencies, it's already used in most states at the government and commercial level for all sorts of online activity, official and otherwise. It's not only not difficult, it's already ubiquitous.
Re: This is so stupid (Score:3)
It is difficult. iD.Me refuses to ID me.
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Millions use it every day. For me I just gave them my two ID/SS Card/utility bill, and a 2 minute interview over the phone and it was done. The web site is super easy, and it's in wide use nationwide, 500 companies, and at state level by e.g., unemployment offices.
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Kids can easily install an opera browser and set the vpn, and use something like Tor, which would probably expose them to far worse things. Kids are smarter than people think. They will circumvent this as easily as adults will.
It's not intended to stop kids.
And what the adults will do is just buy Nord VPN or some other heavily-advertised product. Nobody is going to install a new browser or figure out Tor, except some super geek nerds who read Slashdot.
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True, of course I didn't install a new browser or Tor.
I rented a VPS and installed my own VPN. Because I was the only one using it, and how I set it up, it basically skipped all the VPN detection stuff.
Re: This is so stupid (Score:3)
This solution right here works great, so long as you dont use linode or similarly popular VPSs where so many people are doing the same thing that it gets flagged anyways
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If the government could create a verification system (which in itself would be hard to do and is why it doesn't exist)
I don't know why you think it would be hard, all you need is a backend with a hash of the drivers license and government ID numbers, date of birth, and hash of the name. The site submits an oauth query of the name and ID hash, if both of those are in the same record the date of birth is checked, if that's over 18 an OK is returned, if under 18 a DENIED is returned, and otherwise a NOT FOUND is returned.
Probably want a rate limit per name hash and per ID hash to prevent abuse, and you're done. It's one of
Re: This is so stupid (Score:2)
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No. Porn sites used to just force you to submit a credit card to associate with your account, and that was it. No government intervention required.
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Re:This is so stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
A driver's license is used in book stores to purchase adult materials, like magazines, blu rays, etc. If the government could create a verification system (which in itself would be hard to do and is why it doesn't exist), then requiring you to verify yourself with that system would be no different.
Quite wrong. When you purchase adult material physically, you show your driver's license, but it does not get recorded. Any type of electronic verification will record what you did because the surveillance fascists cannot help themselves and most of the population is clueless.
Re: This is so stupid (Score:2)
Where i live all stores now scan your id for purchases like whiskey, cigars, and porn. So there is a record. They did this after excise started cracking down on them. College kids were using fake IDs and one bar had dozens of minors in it when it was busted.
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Ah, so you are even deeper in surveillance fascism than I thought. My condolences.
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That's why I destroyed the barcode on the back. It's just enough damage that it's not scannable, just looks like a small scratch if you look at it.
Only took me about 10 minutes with a scanner and a knife to get it right. Stores give up after a couple attempts and just type in a birthday.
If you don't like the idea of permanent damage, you can just print up a barcode sticker with bogus info. But there's really never been a downside to having it unreadable, I've done it ever since they started putting barco
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Kids are smarter than people think.
The average 10 year old is certainly much more tech savvy than most any legislator.
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That might be stretching it. Sure, your nerdy 10 year old definitely knows more but the biggest thing about being young and inquisitive is that you really don't "fear" breaking shit while discovering stuff about it. You learn a lot and usually things can be reset to factory defaults. Kids have a lot more time to play with that stuff.
Now, as an adult, do you REALLY want to break something knowing you'll be paying for a new one or otherwise spending way to much time fixing it? I don't have half the time as an
Re:This is so stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
It could be expanded to be used by states trivially.
That would work as long as you are okay with the government tracking your porn-viewing habits.
Some of us believe that's none of the government's business.
Re:This is so stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
No it's not. Prior to the internet, when all these things were actually decided, you had to go to stores which would... wait for it... ID you to ensure you were over 18 and would be in deep shit from a slew of charges if they sold adult material to a minor. Or you could get it through the mail but that would require checks or a credit card, which by and large minors did not have. Whereas not clicking a checkbox is all that's required. That doesn't even get into the fact that the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of the content available on the internet fails the Miller test outright. All the short clip material, gifs, and the majority of the pictures certainly.
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That should say whereas now, not whereas not.
Also, rather amusingly, the clothing and device related fetish material will probably be more likely to survive any Miller challenges than the less involved stuff.
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No it's not.
Actually the jury is out. There are multiple different rulings on the First Amendment validity of laws. In fact the very law being discussed here is currently subject to it's final appeal, and has so far been ruled once unconstitutional, and once constitutional. So far the supreme court hasn't weighed in on these specific state based laws, but they did strike down COPA on the same grounds that this Texas laws was ruled unconstitutional.
The Internet is different (Score:2)
For the Internet anonymity is important. It lets you safely engage with the discourse on controversial topics like workers & civil rights, sexuality and religion without fear of immediate reprisal. And over and over that fear has been justified.
I do not consider it a fair trade to give up what makes the Internet the Internet in
Re:This is so stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
Any government run age verification system for accessing porn is a First Amendment violation of protected speech.
The real elephant in the room is that parents have been giving their kids unrestricted devices capable of accessing porn sites in the first place. Nobody wants to talk about holding those folks accountable for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, because there's just too many of them.
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Back when they were the main way of getting it, kids could physically walk or bicycle to the stores. Those stores had to check ID because if they sold porn to a kid they were liable for multiple crimes. Which is why kids would pay a bum to get the porn for them.
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parents have been giving their kids unrestricted devices
My kids ride their bikes to school. A busybody saw them and called the police to report "unattended children."
Was that you?
Spoken like someone ingnorant of devices and kids (Score:2)
Any government run age verification system for accessing porn is a First Amendment violation of protected speech.
The real elephant in the room is that parents have been giving their kids unrestricted devices capable of accessing porn sites in the first place. Nobody wants to talk about holding those folks accountable for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, because there's just too many of them.
That is a profoundly ignorant comment. Do you even have a phone? iPad? You know it's nearly impossible to block open websites. Even commercial solutions...they're less effective than the best anti-spam filter and I still get trump texts and scam e-mails daily despite Google being a leader in stopping such scams. I happen to mark every spam as spam to help train the tools, but there are millions of poor desperate people looking for ways of tricking these systems....similarly there are a similar amount p
I did (Score:2)
If you treat your kids like people who just happen to have a lot less experience then it's not a problem. It's when you treat your k
Actually no there is precedence case (Score:2)
2) porn store and porn selling/renting out fit have to check for ID and refuse sale/renting to minor
All that is a precedence case that the government can and do restrict sales of certain material to minor and thus can enforce ID checks.
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I'm not so worried about minors. I'm worried about us adults who are now going to have all our activity tracked using identity tokens, not by some bar owner or gas station attendant, but by the fucking government. And they're gonna expand it, I promise you. This is the end of online anonymity.
And you pearl clutching morons seem to want to give it away because some kids may see some boobies.
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1) bar are requested to check ID and refuse alcohol for minor
2) porn store and porn selling/renting out fit have to check for ID and refuse sale/renting to minor
That's not the same thing.
If I show my ID to enter a bar, the bouncer looks at the ID and hands it back to me.
No permanent record is made of where I was and when I was there.
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Yet. Most state IDs have barcodes on the back now. I can't even return something at Best Buy without them scanning that bar code with all of my information. At any time, a bar could start doing the same to make sure their bouncer isn't letting anyone in that is underage.
Re: Actually no there is precedence case (Score:2)
This is already happening in college towns.
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A bar, nightclub tried that here (Vancouver BC), there was enough push back that they stopped.
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It's not hard to damage the barcode just enough that it won't scan. I've been doing it since they started putting barcodes on licenses.
It's never been a problem for me, and stores can't just scan it and get every bit of info on the license in their database.
I remember seeing that barcode on my license the first time and wondering what was in there, so I scanned it. And... yeah, name, address, birthday, license type, and if you didn't opt out of having SSN on the license, that too. (Had to scan somebody e
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The surveillance aspect is what people are objecting to. Any identity provider could do the things you are saying but they're currently not legally restricted from selling your browsing data to marketers or sharing it with the company that contracted them for age verification.
The only federal level identification most people have is a social security number, which the federal government declared in the law that created it that it isn't officially a government ID and is never to be used as one except for ta
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The surveillance aspect is what people are objecting to. Any identity provider could do the things you are saying but they're currently not legally restricted from selling your browsing data to marketers or sharing it with the company that contracted them for age verification.
In Finland or Europe in general? Yes, they are legally restricted from sneakily using your information for purposes other than providing the service. They are also required to have clear policy on how the data is processed and who they are sharing data with.
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I understand that US decentralization is very unique and makes uniform ID very difficult.
But most people still have a bank account for example. They probably still diver a car, which means driver's license in a database. They also probably have some form of a credit card because of how US credit system is set up. Couldn't each state just set up a site which would pass on the ID to these systems, and simply wait for "yes, this is that person, here is information that person wishes us to confirm about him/her
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Could you explain how asking to verify your age to buy adult only rated things is a violation of freedom of speech?
It's not. It's absolutely fine to check that someone is of the right age to be allowed adult only things. But that is not what they want.
What they want is that for all my completely legal purchases my identitiy is permanently recorded. Now I don't buy this kind of stuff, but I could, and the possibility that the government intentionally leaks this information to my employer, or worse, to my wife, would likely stop me.
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>What they want is that for all my completely legal purchases my identitiy is permanently recorded.
Who's they, and why can't they access the records on the purchaser side, the payment processor side and/or banking side?
Because this is already permanently recorded.
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If we had a real computer verification system run by the government, like driver licenses are, then maybe you could implement this, but without a government backed verification system, this is just plain stupid.
You can't implement this because the internet is world wide. Expecting some adult site in Russia to comply with a Texas law is like that old saying about wishing in one hand and shitting in the other to see which one fills up faster. If you really want to age restrict the internet, you do it at the consumer broadband/cell service provider level, where you'll be dealing entirely with domestically based companies.
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How does a state ban a site from the internet? Or are you implying that each individual state wishing to censor the internet will operate their own mini version of China's firewall and only allow content which complies with all of the state's laws?
Just thinking about it made me throw up in my mouth a little. There is truly something wrong with politicians who look at what Russian and China do and think "I'd like some of that here."
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The state would file a lawsuit in federal court to get the site banned. They would need to show that the site was allowing minors on the site, but that would be enough to do it.
Re: This is so stupid (Score:3)
Legal Advice (Score:3)
Pornhub has disabled its site in Texas,
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The article adds that the state's attorney general is suing the owners of Pornhub for $1.6 million failing to enact age verification, plus an additional $10,000 a day.
Pornhub should offer to settle with the AG Ken Paxton by teaching him how to use a VPN.
There is no 'Adult' way to verify online (Score:2)
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ID.me is perfectly capable of doing this. The problem is not lack of technical support.
The problem is the serious 1A violation.
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Not inherently a 1A violation. Not only does the vast majority of the content on the internet currently out there fail the Miller test, thus making the sites not actually protected at all by the 1A, but requiring ID before allowing the sale of 18+ materials was always legal. Mind you, the arguably better way to do it would be for Texas to get evidence of a minor using the site and then charge the site owners and operators with contributing to the corruption of a minor and throw some RICO charges in there as
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Or they could do what porn sites used to do and just require a credit card be associated with an account.
Possibly Florida soon, too (Score:2)
Florida also revamped their social media ban for minors bill to include a provision for age checking on adult sites. [wfla.com]
If this was really just about protecting kids, the age checks would be implemented at the service provider level (and yeah, that would probably mean places like Starbucks would have to implement filtering or check IDs before giving you the WiFi password), but it's really just holier-than-thou politicians who are miffed that people can look at porn on the internet.
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Which actually would be unconstitutional. There is nothing on the service providers end that requires the consumer to be 18+.
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Which actually would be unconstitutional.
It's a bit of a stretch to interpret ISPs and hotspot providers requiring their customers be 18+ as being unconstitutional, since we require you to prove you're 18+ even to register to vote. Short of recreating China's great firewall, you're simply not going to get every adult site on the world-wide internet to comply with a US state's local laws. If your goal really is to keep access to adult content limited to just adults, that's really the only practical way to do it.
Personally, I think things are fine
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Ignoring the fact that you clearly know effectively nothing about the process of adolescent brain development and why allowing under 18s(and really under 21s, wow, it's almost like the founders fully understood that young people's decision making skills weren't up to snuff even if they didn't understand the mechanism of action. The fact that the 26th amendment was passed entirely because of the draft, an inherently evil usage of government power doesn't make it better) to vote is a fundamentally bad idea, t
If it were just about proof of age, (Score:2)
Wouldn't the Stefan Brands credential technology work to minimize privacy loss?
Checking the age is fine (Score:3)
It is technically quite feasible that your phone or computer knows your birth date, and the website asks âoeis this user 27 years oldâ for example, and the phone answers yes, no or donâ(TM)t know. And you get your content, or you are told that you need to be 27, or the website explains how to set up your phone. At no time would their server know who you are, or how old you are. Only that you are above or below the requested age.
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That's not checking ID. If you were to buy porn at a physical location and you presented ID that was easy to tell it's not you, and you were a minor or could be a minor given how old you looked, and the clerk accepted that ID, that clerk would be criminally liable.
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On the one hand, you would be creating a black market for pre-verified devices. On the other hand the physical stores can't prevent your sending in a proxy adult to buy for you. Depending on the location, that's not even illegal.
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On the one hand, you would be creating a black market for pre-verified devices. On the other hand the physical stores can't prevent your sending in a proxy adult to buy for you. Depending on the location, that's not even illegal
That's what you have laws for. "It is a crime punishable by xxx to use a phone that isn't mine for age verification purposes". Small change to the UI: When the porn server asks "are you this age or older" a message appears "A porn server asked for this information. Are you John Smith, born on the 3rd of April 1996? If you don't want to give this information, press cancel. If you are this person, press "Yes", otherwise press "No" It is a federal crime to press "Yes" if you are not this person".
So the ques
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You want to make it a federal crime to violate state laws? And charge minors with them?
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And kids used to pay the nearest bum to buy it for them. The adult in question would be criminally liable, but not the clerk. Well, unless the clerk saw the obvious minors handing the bum money and pointing at his store.
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Another one that does _not_ understand how technology works. How pathetic.
Not enough (Score:2)
You forgot to add "And if you want to escape your nanny state, here's how to use Tor. Suck it up, AG Dufus, and learn that your laws mean jack shit on the internet, just stop trying to eliminate free speech and instantly stop embarrassing yourself in the process".
Texas... (Score:3, Interesting)
Soo, Texas wants more rape? (Score:2)
Because that is what making access to porn harder does. Great job.
and... (Score:2)
...literally nothing of value was lost.
I know that everyone loves a good wank but I'm reasonably sure that making sure it's accessible to children of all ages shouldn't be a goal.
Let's talk about Texas (Score:2, Interesting)
Texas has "Texas Freedom." If you are a white male who like guns, horses, cigarettes, and beer, you have Texas Freedom.
However, you are NOT free in Texas if you are:
1. Hispanic looking (regardless of citizenship)
2. A woman (sorry, Texas and rapists owns your uterus)
3. Anyone associated with LGBTQ+.
Rapists have more reproductive freedom than woman in Texas.
For the record, lack of a rape clause is akin to "prima nocta", where royalty would sleep with subjects on their wedding nights, such is the control o
Nord VPN (Score:2)
The "Party of Small Government" (Score:2)
Voice of America VPN (Score:2)
There is a free VPN service/project funded by Voice of America call nthLink, aimed at journalists and political activists that works great. It's free and it works great.
How does Texas have standing to sue? (Score:3)
Re:This is all the Republicans in Texas have (Score:5, Informative)
Let's see, a complete moron pisses on about bullshit.
Meanwhile TXDOT says that idiots might do stupid shit(paraphrasing obviously) during the eclipse so be alert if driving during it.
Travis County's actual advice
Plan for traffic congestion the weekend before and all day on Monday, April 8, especially after the eclipse when people will be leaving at the same time.
Reschedule nonurgent appointments for a different day.
Get gas and groceries and run errands before the eclipse day.
Watch the eclipse at home or near your home.
If traveling to watch the eclipse, plan ahead and download the What3Words app, which can help first responders locate 911 callers in an emergency.
I don't know about you, but getting any noncritical errands done before a bunch of lookyloos descend on your area at least doubling the local population just goes under the category of common sense.
They also explicitly stated that they declared disaster conditions so that they could pre-stage things like additional tow trucks in the county. Because in Texas, unlike in say... California, they like to balance the budget. Which means keeping track of things like that and following certain procedures.
Common sense is not so common (Score:2)
By definition slashdotters are people who think things through, plan ahead and realise the consequences of events. The reality is that most of the population is not terribly good at that, especially when faced with a new situation. So this will be useful advice to a significant number of people.
Remember, they're just ordinary people...
https://youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI [youtu.be]
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Which means keeping track of things like that and following certain procedures.
Try finding any kind of accounting of the $11 billion Abbott has spent on 'Operation Lone Star'.
I don't know about you (Score:2)
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You mean like California, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, and Philadelphia?
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You mean like California, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, and Philadelphia?
Remind me again, which of those states is planning to implement similar age verification laws on *checks notes* every adult site on the web?
Re: This is all the Republicans in Texas have (Score:2)
True, teenage boys have never learned new skills to see tits. They just donâ(TM)t find sex interesting. They also always tell the truth and follow instructions.
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Cities with large economies and populations. Whenever you hear about 100 people shot in a weekend in Chicago you forget about per capita. Adjust for population and these cities aren't the dangerous no-mans land Fox makes them out to be.
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Are you with the Taliban or the domestic Taliban?
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Truth! Government is so small and limited they only have the resources to do one thing at a time.
Can you imagine these scum bags enforce parking laws when people are still getting murdered! It's an outrage! I'm with you, bro!
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Absolutely! I heard they made a list of priorities and then started at the bottom, so until they solve the "chewing gum on sidewalk problem" they won't look at anything else.
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You also don't recognize what a pronoun is.
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Wrong. Restricting access to porn causes an increase in rape and other forms of sexual violence. You should consult some actual research instead of your own misconceptions. Also, what makes you think masturbation or looking at porn is "unhealthy"? Are you a religious fuckup?