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Microsoft Begins Showing Full Screen Windows 11 Ad on Windows 10 PCs as End of Support Date Looms 185

Microsoft has started showing full screen warnings about the upcoming end of support date on Windows 10 PCs. From a report: Users on Reddit have reported seeing the prompt, which began appearing after this week's Patch Tuesday updates were installed, and encourages the user to learn more about how they can transition to Windows 11. Windows 10's end of support date is currently set for October 14, 2025. After that date, Windows 10 users will no longer receive critical security and bug fix updates, leaving any Windows 10 PC connected to the internet vulnerable to any newly discovered security exploits. The full screen prompt that is now appearing on some Windows 10 PCs thanks the user for their loyalty using Windows 10, and warns that this end of life (EOL) date is approaching. It also wastes no time advertising Windows 11, encouraging the user to learn more about how they can transition to a new Windows 11 PC. Notably, there's no button to tell the prompt to never show again.
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Microsoft Begins Showing Full Screen Windows 11 Ad on Windows 10 PCs as End of Support Date Looms

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  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Thursday April 11, 2024 @01:21PM (#64387088) Journal

    My PC can't use Windows 11 because it doesn't have the right DRM hardware (VendorLockInChips).

    • It's trivial to bypass the requirements. My test system uses a Phenom II x4 CPU and originally came with Vista, it's already running the 24H2 insider build of Windows 11.
      • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Thursday April 11, 2024 @02:37PM (#64387340)

        My PC can't use Windows 11 because it doesn't have the right DRM hardware (VendorLockInChips).

        It's trivial to bypass the requirements. ...

        That's not really the point. OP doesn't want to run the OS in an officially unsupported configuration, especially if doing so would mean ditching perfectly good hardware to comply with the arbitrary, and probably unnecessary, hardware requirements set by Microsoft. Even if it works *now* doesn't mean MS will continue to allow it, at which point he'd be screwed.

        I have a Dell XPS 420 (I got free from a friend) and it runs Windows 10 just fine and it would probably run Windows 11 fine as well, but "This PC doesn't currently meet the minimum system requirements to run Windows 11." The "currently" part is laughable as I can't replace the CPU with what they want nor add a TPM chip.

        All my PCs are old, but they all do/will run Linux great, which is what I'll be switching to full-time. I currently have Linux Mint 21.3 on a beefier home-built system and it works great. I'm migrating to that system now, albeit slowly as I haven't worked out all the replacement software -- I'm lazy. :-)

        • You're confusing your points here. You bypass the requirements so that you "don't" have to ditch perfectly good hardware.

          • You're confusing your points here. You bypass the requirements so that you "don't" have to ditch perfectly good hardware.

            No, I got that, but doing so is an unsupported configuration as far as MS is concerned. They're free to disable/disallow that at any time.

        • All my PCs are old, but they all do/will run Linux great, which is what I'll be switching to full-time. I currently have Linux Mint 21.3 on a beefier home-built system and it works great. I'm migrating to that system now, albeit slowly as I haven't worked out all the replacement software -- I'm lazy. :-)

          That was the difficult part for me- finding analogs for all the little niche apps I use. Like, a decent cardfile app (Cherrytree), a couple of decent simple drawing apps (KolourPaint, Drawing), a file transfer app (FileZilla), etc etc. GIMP fills in for any non-trivial image editing, and I'm currently using OnlyOffice for docs and junk like that.

          It took a while to try everything and pick what worked, but it's all good now.

          • All my PCs are old, but they all do/will run Linux great, which is what I'll be switching to full-time. I currently have Linux Mint 21.3 on a beefier home-built system and it works great. I'm migrating to that system now, albeit slowly as I haven't worked out all the replacement software -- I'm lazy. :-)

            That was the difficult part for me- finding analogs for all the little niche apps I use. Like, ...

            I had several important spreadsheets that were (still) in Lotus 123 (SmartSuite apps work fine on Windows 10) but I've converted them over to LibreOffice Calc. I have various files in Word/Excel and WordPro. but they're not critical if LibreOffice doesn't get them right off the bat. Other than moving my Thunderbird config over, I'm currently looking for a convenient replacement for AxCrypt 1.7 (original/free version).

        • by vux984 ( 928602 )

          "That's not really the point. OP doesn't want to run the OS in an officially unsupported configuration"

          Then OP isn't going to want to run an unsupported Windows 10 on the hardware he has now after October 2025 either.

          If the priority is to run an officially supported configuration then your on the treadmill. Doesn't matter if the platform is Windows, Mac, RHEL, Ubuntu, or Android, or what.

          "All my PCs are old, but they all do/will run Linux great"

          Sure they will. But are they officially supported configuration

        • to comply with the arbitrary, and probably unnecessary, hardware requirements set by Microsoft

          There's nothing arbitrary or unnecessary about setting hardware security requirements to meet features in an OS. If you don't want to use the OS fine, don't use it, if you do, it's designed with hardware requirements in mind.

          Interestingly we only shit on Microsoft for this. Going through Slashdot history you'll notice high praise for security hardware in Apple devices along with using it on an OS level. Even more interestingly the same people who bitch and moan about this are also those who say Microsoft so

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by HBI ( 10338492 )

            The hardware requirements are not there for a user friendly reason. They are for the convenience of the vendor, to ensure hardware churn. "Security" is debatable.

            Stop being a shill.

    • by Targon ( 17348 )
      It only requires computers from 2019 or newer to be compatible. Windows 10 came out in 2015, so Microsoft not wanting to put full resources into a 10 year old operating system makes sense.
    • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Thursday April 11, 2024 @04:30PM (#64387630)

      Why are they punishing me?

      Because you trusted someone that you should not have trusted.

    • That's what my laptop says too.

      I suspect that when they EOL win10, they will let it upgrade to win11 even without the magic DRM chip.

  • You're going to take their software load whether you want it or not.

    • Do you complain every time there is a cumulative update in Windows Update also? Because upgrading to Windows 11 is about the same as installing a cumulative update, and it's also free. Since it will allow those systems to continue to get updates past Windows 10 End of Life, it makes perfect sense in this case for Microsoft to mention it. Why wouldn't they? Fact is, support for Windows 10 *IS* ending. The OS will be 10 years old... the fact that they give you a FREE upgrade option is a GOOD thing, *not* a
      • >> it makes perfect sense in this case for Microsoft to mention it

        It was the "full screen prompt" with "no button to tell the prompt to never show again". You didn't notice that part?

      • by dbialac ( 320955 )
        I'm personally not a big fan of the new start menu on Windows 11 and a few other annoyances. I'll stick it out on Windows 10 with the annoyances I already know, so likely including the paid period.
        • Moving it to the center of the screen actually was a good idea, given everybody has wide-screens these days (less travel time with the mouse), but the rest of it... oh boy, Microsoft made some choices which are astronomically stupid.

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        Given that Microsoft tells me that Windows 11 shouldn't run on my system because it's from 2018, it's not a FREE good easy cumulative update.

        Yes, you can wrangle your way around to do it even as Microsoft doesn't want you to, but why should I go out of my way with a paid OS to go into an unsupported state?

        • by Targon ( 17348 )
          That's how Intel hits you. First gen Ryzen motherboards can pretty much all support at least to Zen2. Now, if HP and Lenovo block replacing the CPU due to a locked in BIOS, that's another issue.
          • by Junta ( 36770 )

            So I get to pay to replace my CPU to enjoy the 'free' update, when I wasn't planning on otherwise upgrading that system?

      • > Because upgrading to Windows 11 is about the same as installing a cumulative update
        Do you consider the new taskbar, CoPilot and other "additions" as something you've received in Windows 10 as a cumulative update?

        Also of course it's free, out of the box it reports more data on you, your system and behaviour than Google. That's an amazing achievement to be honest.

        • by ebunga ( 95613 )

          Not to mention, if you installed software on someone's computer without authorization you would go to prison.

      • People aren't complaining to simply complain. We all own a piece of hardware that needs a vital piece of software, the operating system, in order to be functional. Being lead around by the nose by a vendor with seemingly little input in the process is reason behind complaints. Sure, there is the false choice argument of if you don't like Microsoft or Apple then don't buy their stuff. But most people either have to learn to accept the policy of the OS vendor or get blasted by weird anti-features and dark pat

      • by ebunga ( 95613 )

        Windows 11 is so bad they can't give it away for free. There have been more downgrades to Windows 10 than voluntary, consensual upgrades to Windows 11.

      • It absolutely is not. Windows 11 introduces a bunch of wholly unnecessary UI changes that make is less usable.
      • No. "Upgrading" to Windows 11 is a huge regression in terms of user interface. All the context menus are shortened to the point of uselessness. It is possible to display a complete context menu, but that takes extra steps, and the menu will display with old-style GUI elements that are totally out of place in Windows 11. It is a schizophrenic UI, much like Metro when it was introduced in Windows 8 and 8.1 . Most rational people skipped those releases.

        So, no, Windows 11 is nothing like a simple Windows update

      • It's not the same thing, because the cumulative windows updates are not HW compatibility breaking updates. Yes, you can circumvent that, and I can too, but the people most likely capable of doing the circumventiom are those who are leasy likely having HW needing that in the first place. There are a lot of people who have never on their life opened the registry editor, for example. And the instructions often are not available in all languages.
      • Emphasizing "FREE" in all caps IMO doesn't do anything to address the points raised.
      • Do you complain every time there is a cumulative update in Windows Update also? Because upgrading to Windows 11 is about the same as installing a cumulative update

        All you do when you run Windows is click on the MS Edge icon isn't it because if you believe that Windows 11 is the same as a cumulative update then you clearly haven't done very much with it.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Indeed. Unfortunately cursing an organization does not work, or I would already have done for them.

    • Well, the alternative is voting for politicians that enforce anti-trust law. And if I so much as speak their name or the name of their party I'll be downmodded into pulp.

      Remember, there's no such thing as politics kids! Everything can and can only be solved by the markets!
  • Or, you know, (Score:5, Informative)

    by Howard Beale ( 92386 ) on Thursday April 11, 2024 @01:23PM (#64387100)
    you could just switch to Linux.
  • My copy I lost the key that came with my disc ~15 years ago so it thinks it's a pirated copy. Thanks microsoft. I only have windows installed to play steam games.

    Luckily Valve has their own branch of Wine, Proton:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_(software)

    And apparently many/most games support running on Proton these days. I'm sorely tempted to just yeet windows once and for all.

    I will upgrade my computer when I feel like it, thanks. On my "gaming pc" I visit like, 6 webs

  • But, but ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RitchCraft ( 6454710 ) on Thursday April 11, 2024 @01:33PM (#64387138)

    But, but Microsoft, you promised Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows.

    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      What they called "Windows 10" was really Win 9, so Win 11 is really Win 10.
    • Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that. I was beginning to think it was stuffed down the memory hole.

    • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

      Ironically, it's is more of an argument for them. They were not saying there would be no more updates, be them major or minor to windows, but rather than they wouldn't have "numbers" and transition into more of an OS as a service model.

      The market doesn't like the sound of that. That's fine, but it's not like if Microsoft stopped numbering their releases they wouldn't be doing the exact same thing: sunsetting older versions of windows and pushing users towards newer supported versions.

      I know some people thin

    • But, but Microsoft, you promised Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows.

      It is. If you run an API call to getversion() on a Windows 11 machine it will return "10.0" as the official version number. No not kidding.

      • Only if your application has an embedded manifest. Otherwise it returns 6.2 (Windows 8). This is true of GetVersion, GetVersionEx, RtlGetVersion, and others. You actually have to go through some difficulty to get the OS version from somewhere that won't lie to you based on manifest or shims. Some people read system DLL versions. Others look at the undocumented PEB structure. My personal favorite? The major version can be obtained by reading 4 bytes from 0x7FFE026C, and the minor from 0x7FFE0270, and conveni
  • Are these type moves finally making/helping Linux on the desktop? People tired of tracking, ads, AI buttons, etc.

    • For "Linux on the desktop", they are not nudging people with tracking and ads. But they are not free from the "upgrade" problem. So if what one dislike is Windows 11, Linux may be a good solution. But if what one dislike is forced upgrade, Linux isn't really that different.
      • by Dwedit ( 232252 )

        For people who liked Gnome 2, the MATE desktop is still around. Gnome 2 dates back to 2002, and the MATE project continues to update Gnome 2 so that people don't have to switch to a radically different UI. You don't get that kind of thing on Windows.

    • It probably only moves the needle slightly. People whine about it, maybe post a "damn you, Microsoft!" tweet on X, then they go ahead begrudgingly click that "Install Upgrade" button.

  • I have a couple of Lenovo T450's and an X250 running Windows 10. I'm wondering if, given that Windows 11 isn't supported on them, I'll still get the full screen upgrade ads.

  • Despite the UI being inferior to every way, shape and form to the standard microsoft set with Windows 95.
    All because redmond ran out of good ideas, and is jealous of apple, even the dumb workarounds they had to do to not make their OS too much like Windows.

    On that note, hey apple, for OS15, as microsoft is not using it anymore anyway, you could do away with the current weird taskbar and instead make one where only the loaded programs are displayed in very neat small squares on the bottom of the screen, and

  • it would be a shame if anything were to happen to it.
  • You mean they hijack customer owned pc illegally to show advertisements? And customer that docent meet hardware requirements of Windows 11 hast to suffer these too?
  • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Thursday April 11, 2024 @03:17PM (#64387456)
    Remember the Windows 95 apocalypse? When Microsoft ended support, and all the windows 95 computers were instantly pwned and brought down the internet?

    Me either.

    My 3 year old laptop computer that is nice and fast, yet not eligible for W11, is going to be moved to Linux.

  • They're starting to get to me
  • This is malware behavior. The idiots at Microsoft seem to think this is a good idea.

    Sane people do not accept such behavior from their operating system. They will take note and a lot of them will start looking for alternatives to Windows.

    Acceptable would have been a simple notification ONCE. Not an email, not an ad, a simple notification. Perhaps a notification that you need to specifically close for it to go away (because of the amount of information), but it should not pester you.

    This will drive more peop

  • Rocky's been a pretty good daily driver on my laptop, i bet it'd do fine on my desktop too.

  • I know it says there's no button or obvious option to turn these notifications off. But this is Microsoft. We all know you OFTEN have to dig into the registry and modify or add a new key to accomplish things.

    I've got several perfectly good desktop PCs with Intel Core i5 CPUs (1TB SSD and 16GB RAM configs, basically) that I cleaned up and upgraded after they were taken out of service in a workplace. Resold one already, and wanted to keep the others as spares for things like running my slicers for 3D printers

  • You can pay millions to MS to continue supporting your out of date systems like the state of California. You can pull the hard drive and install linux or run your win10 os in a virtual environment. Lastly you can do nothing, perhaps get manual firewalls, to block unwanted traffic and see about converting to software programs that will continue to be supported.
  • Microsoft to go EOL.

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