Germany Says Russia Will Face Consequences For 'Intolerable' Cyberattack (france24.com) 40
An anonymous reader shares a report: Relations between Russia and Germany were already tense, with Germany providing military support to Ukraine in its ongoing war with Russia. German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said Russian state hackers were behind a cyberattack last year that targeted the Social Democrats, the leading party in the governing coalition. "Russian state hackers attacked Germany in cyberspace," she said at a news conference in the Australian city of Adelaide. "We can attribute this attack to the group called APT28, which is steered by the military intelligence service of Russia."
"This is absolutely intolerable and unacceptable and will have consequences," she said. The Russian Embassy in Germany on Friday denied Moscow was involved in a 2023 cyberattack. In a statement the embassy said its envoy "categorically rejected the accusations that Russian state structures were involved in the given incident ... as unsubstantiated and groundless." The Council of the EU later said that Czechia's institutions have also been a target of the cyber campaign. In a statement by the EU's top diplomat, Josep Borrell, the bloc's nations said they "strongly condemn the malicious cyber campaign conducted by the Russia-controlled Advanced Persistent Threat Actor 28 (APT28) against Germany and Czechia." Further reading: EU and NATO Condemn Russian Cyber Attacks Against Germany and Czechia.
"This is absolutely intolerable and unacceptable and will have consequences," she said. The Russian Embassy in Germany on Friday denied Moscow was involved in a 2023 cyberattack. In a statement the embassy said its envoy "categorically rejected the accusations that Russian state structures were involved in the given incident ... as unsubstantiated and groundless." The Council of the EU later said that Czechia's institutions have also been a target of the cyber campaign. In a statement by the EU's top diplomat, Josep Borrell, the bloc's nations said they "strongly condemn the malicious cyber campaign conducted by the Russia-controlled Advanced Persistent Threat Actor 28 (APT28) against Germany and Czechia." Further reading: EU and NATO Condemn Russian Cyber Attacks Against Germany and Czechia.
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As far as I know, Russia didn't even comment yet.
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You mean you don't believe the Russia lies? Good for you, it almost started to sound for a moment like you were believing them.
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I don't believe it because we created special technologies to both track the source of internet attacks and fake the source of internet hacks. Thus, it's really impossible to know anything for sure.
Context? (Score:2)
I did not hear about this and there is no link or direct reference.
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Down the memory hole
Whata ya gonna do about it? (Score:3)
Whata ya gonna do about it?
Yeah, that's what i thought.
-Putin
Re:Whata ya gonna do about it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Whata ya gonna do about it?
Shipping an even bigger batch of weapons to Ukraine would be my first guess.
https://www.bundesregierung.de... [bundesregierung.de]
Yeah, that's what i thought.
-Putin
I don't know what Putler and his propagandists are thinking antagonizing Germany et el... They only dig a bigger hole for themselves.
Re: Whata ya gonna do about it? (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Whata ya gonna do about it? (Score:5, Interesting)
It absolutely sucks for Ukraine, which will get just enough support to keep them alive on the battlefield and not a lot more. One thing the world needs to take from this is that you need to pay a LOT of attention to defense if you share a border with Russia.
Look up articles about Russias artillery gun barrels if you want something interesting to read. The clock is ticking for little adventure but nothing will change quickly.
The is EXACTLY how we defeated the Soviet Union. We didnt beat them in a toe-to-toe fight. We slowly suffocated their economy over several decades.
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"We dont want a hot direct war with Russia. Nukes could fly."
Russia will bluff this all the long day but the truth is they will NOT FUCKING DARE.
The 1st one that hits a Western country is the last one that will ever leave their airspace. They might as well nuke themselves
Re: Whata ya gonna do about it? (Score:2)
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And that's why it won't happen.
But if it did China would not get involved; they'd sit back & wait for the fallout to settle
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That would be such a better response than denial. No one's going to believe the denial anyway so why not own it and look strong?
Putin is a coward.
Germany won't do a thing (Score:5, Insightful)
I very much do Germany will do anything. The main visible thing they could do is give taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine and their no balls chancelor is dead set against it.
EU is realizing they are next in the crosshairs but they act so slowly and in an indecisive fashion Russia has all the time it needs to beef up its aggression. And NATO has said very clearly they were very afraid of a direct war with Putin. So Putin attacks as much as he can knowing NATO won't fight back.
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*doubt
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their no balls chancelor
Maybe Angela could loan him a set of hers?
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Re:Germany won't do a thing (Score:5, Insightful)
Germany should respond in kind. Fuck Russian networks and computer systems up and tell they can decode when to stop. Bullies usually don't like to get hit back and that's usually enough to stop the behavior. No need to escalate to war when there's less punitive correct action that can be take.
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Re: Germany won't do a thing (Score:2)
And NATO has said very clearly they were very afraid of a direct war with Putin. So Putin attacks as much as he can knowing NATO won't fight back.
That's an ignorant take on the situation.
Like saying you're afraid of a direct war with the jerk that stole your parking space. It's not a statement about being able to win a brawl in the parking lot, that's dumb. What you plan to do to his car when he goes inside, that's smart.
Putin has to make the same calculations, he can cry in his milk about arms moving to Ukraine but all he can do are these little hacking escapades.
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no will (Score:5, Insightful)
UK, Europe and USA could together remove Russia from the Internet tomorrow if they had the political will, remove all peering with them, revoke all their IP Addresses via RIPE issue DROP orders and they would be done, hard to take any threats seriously when literally hundreds of companies still accept their traffic.
Russia denies it (Score:4, Insightful)
Reputation matters. The Kremlin could say the sun will appear to rise tomorrow morning and I'd still check with an astronomer before believing it.
Re:Russia denies it (Score:5, Insightful)
Kirsch Bridge (Score:2)
Germans want to blow up the Kirsch Bridge even more than they want to engage in buggery.
Listen to the leaked tapes from last month.
Now they are forming a pretext.
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I'd love to see that bridge wiped out, not just damaged. Send the Dali cargo ship near it.
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Germany can go pound sand (Score:1, Flamebait)
They're a bunch of cowards, particularly Scholz. Can't send Taurus missiles to Ukraine so it can defend itself because that might "escalate" the situation. But sure, we'll send shit tons of military equipment to Israel so they can kill journalists, medical personnel, and civilians left and right because Germany has an obligation.
Never thought I'd see the day when Germans weren't interested in killing Russians. They won't do shit about this cyberattack.
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They're a bunch of cowards, particularly Scholz. Can't send Taurus missiles to Ukraine so it can defend itself because that might "escalate" the situation. But sure, we'll send shit tons of military equipment to Israel so they can kill journalists, medical personnel, and civilians left and right because Germany has an obligation.
Don't let hangups over one weapons system fool you. Germany has been kicking ass especially in recent months with their military aid packages to Ukraine. Germany is second only to the US in military aid to Ukraine.
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Ukraine has demonstrated the ability to strike anywhere in European Russia at will without the taurus, storm shaddows or long range ATACMs
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Of course (Score:1)
If they ever said otherwise, poke me until I wake up, and/or check Puttie for a fever.
Easiest Payback (Score:3, Insightful)
Want to teach Russia about the cost of playing silly cyber games? Start sending Ukraine some of the nastier weapons in Germany's arsenal as well as the stuff that had been gathering dust on armoury shelves.
Consequences (Score:3)
Seriously, what "consequences"? Scholz is even constantly telling Russia about all the things he promises he won't ever do to fend off Russia's attack on Ukraine. He's subserviently reporting his own red lines to Putin, who didn't even have to ask. What a frigging disaster lol.
Consequences? Oh no! (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Consequences, lol (Score:2)