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Japan is Fighting Against the Entire Investing World in the Currency Market (sherwood.news) 50

An anonymous reader shares a report: Japan's Ministry of Finance spent nearly $50 billion on April 29 and May 1 trying to prop up the value of the currency by selling US dollars and buying yen. Who was on the other side of this trade? Data from Deutsche Bank's foreign exchange trading platform suggests: literally everyone. "Nearly all client categories saw record USD/JPY buying during the assumed intervention days," writes George Saravelos, global head of FX research at the German bank, in a note to clients on Thursday.

"That absorption of USD/JPY selling from the Japanese Ministry of Finance was so broad-based continues to point to the lack of effectiveness of this policy." The Japanese yen is the weakest G10 currency in trading on Thursday, deepening its decline relative to the US dollar to nearly 10% so far this year. Very low rates in Japan increase the appeal of holding other currencies where investors can earn more interest. Strategists have warned that action from the Bank of Japan may be needed to reinforce the Ministry of Finance's attempts to guard against further yen weakness.

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Japan is Fighting Against the Entire Investing World in the Currency Market

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  • by drwho ( 4190 ) on Friday May 10, 2024 @11:41AM (#64462691) Homepage Journal

    When did Slashdot become CNBC/WSJ?

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Somebody read "prop up ${CURRENCY}" and figured it would be good for some anti-China comments.

      • There are probably more reflexive Japanophiles than Sinophobes here. This is mostly because of things Japan produced in the 80s and early 90s. There was a time when this news would inspire daydreams of cheaper PlayStations and waifus. Now, all I can think is "How long until somebody claims "Bitcoin can fix this."
        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Sure, but there are also lots of posters with poor reading comprehension and a bunch more who don't really care what the actual story is about, they just want to post something about China or a couple of old American dudes.

          Probably Google's AI has figured out that those types are also lucrative advertising targets.

        • I have a positive feeling towards Japan, but man, that nation is in steep decline [wikipedia.org]. The population of 15-64 year-olds is about half what it was in 1985, they're back at the levels of 1920. It's crazy what an insignificant blip WWII was in contrast to current trends - you can see it there in 1940, but it's relatively insignificant.
          • The population of 15-64 year-olds is about half what it was in 1985, they're back at the levels of 1920.

            This graph has a problem. But first, realize that the last data point seems to be 2010 with a population equivalent to the level of 1970, not 1920. The rest of the graph is a prediction that the population in 2060 will be at the level of 1920. We'll see.

            The problem with this graph is that the data is shaded up to 2015, implying the real data extends to 2015 despite the data source being a 2012 study on

        • Wouldn't this make Japanese goods more expensive though ?
          • If it works. However, it appears it isn't working.

            Visiting Japan right now is the cheapest it's ever been if you're coming from a foreign country, especially the US. Unfortunately, that means everyone is traveling there right now, so tourist destinations like Kyoto are ridiculous right now.

            Source: went in October of last year, as well as 5 years previous. Easily 2x more tourists in Kyoto than the last time I was there. Every city bus packed with people.

        • There are probably more reflexive Japanophiles than Sinophobes here. This is mostly because of things Japan produced in the 80s and early 90s. There was a time when this news would inspire daydreams of cheaper PlayStations and waifus. Now, all I can think is "How long until somebody claims "Bitcoin can fix this."

          Actually I was thinking.."Hey, does this mean a trip to Japan is now cheaper than it used to be?"

          I'd love to go over there and try to buy up vintage camera gear at a reasonable price!!

          • Re: Business news? (Score:4, Informative)

            by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Friday May 10, 2024 @03:39PM (#64463459) Journal

            It does mean that, which is why so many people are doing that right now.

            I was there in October and there are WAY more tourists than when I have previously been there, due to the currency exchange advantage as well as pent-up demand from ~3 years of no tourism allowed during Covid.

            • Thanks.

              About how long a flight is that from the US?

              • Depends on where you're coming from, and which airport you're landing at.

                Here is a selection of non-stop routes from the US to Tokyo-region airports. If you can select, Narita Airport is far more convenient for access to Tokyo-area mass transit as it's closer to the city than Haneda Airport is.

                Seattle > Tokyo: 10h
                LAX > Tokyo: 11.5h
                Dallas / Fort Worth > Tokyo: 13h
                Chicago > Tokyo: 13h
                Detroit > Tokyo: 13.5
                JFK > Tokyo: 14h
                ATL > Tokyo: 14h

                • Shit, I got the airports backwards. Haneda is the one on Tokyo Bay and has quicker connections. Narita is a larger airport, but built farther away from the city.

      • Or it's to set the stage for the upcoming barrage of pro-cryptocurrency articles.

        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Ah, multiple benefits. They might want to be careful with that one though. Japan's had general gentle deflation for the last 30 years and it hasn't been great.

  • by TwistedGreen ( 80055 ) on Friday May 10, 2024 @11:49AM (#64462715)

    This is what central banks are for. They do this all the time. Barely newsworthy.

    • This is what central banks are for. They do this all the time. Barely newsworthy.

      Yes it's what central banks are for, but if you think they do this all the time you clearly aren't paying close attention. It's incredibly rare for a nation to do what Japan is doing *at the rate Japan is doing it* by any economic metric. Those which do, are often those economies spiralling downhill quickly. Wealthy nations don't do this all the time. This *IS* newsworthy.

      • I guess what I really mean is, I don't know what's going on with Japan's economy and don't really care. I suspect economics is largely a pseudoscience anyways. I'm here for the tech news and general commiseration.

  • Missed the lede (Score:5, Informative)

    by Misch ( 158807 ) on Friday May 10, 2024 @11:53AM (#64462735) Homepage

    The actual story is that Japan's central bank raised interest rates for the first time in 17 years [apnews.com], from 0% to 0.1%.

    • And this is just the central bank doing its job, from that article: "We made the decision because we foresaw stable and continuous 2% inflation" and that is their target.

      It's super annoying when people (not you, the summary) talk as if central banks have freedom to set interest rates to whatever they want or as if these decisions are not directly related to maintenance of the currency. Central banks have two jobs (1) maintain the stable inflation rate, and in doing so (2) don't put unwarranted pressure o

  • ... point to the lack of effectiveness ...

    This is a common event: Hedge funds decide they're going to short Country X's currency. It's the trillion dollars of a hedge fund versus the 100 million of a Central bank's budget: The outcome is always the same. It's the reason the foreign (currency) exchange market is the most profitable and paradoxically, also the most difficult to play.

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