Researchers Find No Amount of Alcohol is Healthy For You (nytimes.com) 207
The New York Times magazine remembers that once upon a time, in the early 1990s, "some prominent researchers were promoting, and the media helped popularize, the idea that moderate drinking...was linked to greater longevity.
"The cause of that association was not clear, but red wine, researchers theorized, might have anti-inflammatory properties that extended life and protected cardiovascular health..." More recently, though, research has piled up debunking the idea that moderate drinking is good for you. Last year, a major meta-analysis that re-examined 107 studies over 40 years came to the conclusion that no amount of alcohol improves health; and in 2022, a well-designed study found that consuming even a small amount brought some risk to heart health. That same year, Nature published research stating that consuming as little as one or two drinks a day (even less for women) was associated with shrinkage in the brain — a phenomenon normally associated with aging...
[M]ore people are now reporting that they consume cannabis than alcohol on a daily basis. Some governments are responding to the new research by overhauling their messaging. Last year, Ireland became the first country to pass legislation requiring a cancer warning on all alcohol products sold there, similar to those found on cigarettes: "There is a direct link between alcohol and fatal cancers," the language will read. And in Canada, the government has revised its alcohol guidelines, announcing: "We now know that even a small amount of alcohol can be damaging to health." The guidelines characterize one to two drinks a week as carrying "low risk" and three to six drinks as carrying "moderate risk." (Previously the guidelines suggested that women limit themselves to no more than two standard drinks most days, and that men place that limit at three.)
"The cause of that association was not clear, but red wine, researchers theorized, might have anti-inflammatory properties that extended life and protected cardiovascular health..." More recently, though, research has piled up debunking the idea that moderate drinking is good for you. Last year, a major meta-analysis that re-examined 107 studies over 40 years came to the conclusion that no amount of alcohol improves health; and in 2022, a well-designed study found that consuming even a small amount brought some risk to heart health. That same year, Nature published research stating that consuming as little as one or two drinks a day (even less for women) was associated with shrinkage in the brain — a phenomenon normally associated with aging...
[M]ore people are now reporting that they consume cannabis than alcohol on a daily basis. Some governments are responding to the new research by overhauling their messaging. Last year, Ireland became the first country to pass legislation requiring a cancer warning on all alcohol products sold there, similar to those found on cigarettes: "There is a direct link between alcohol and fatal cancers," the language will read. And in Canada, the government has revised its alcohol guidelines, announcing: "We now know that even a small amount of alcohol can be damaging to health." The guidelines characterize one to two drinks a week as carrying "low risk" and three to six drinks as carrying "moderate risk." (Previously the guidelines suggested that women limit themselves to no more than two standard drinks most days, and that men place that limit at three.)
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It's getting to the point that I think the healthiest thing for everyone by modern medicine's standards is joylessness -- WAIT, that's dangerous too.
Give me a life well lived than one centered around a futile attempt to escape the inevitable.
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If life is that bad, change it.
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That's fine, but why do you equate joy to needing alcohol? That's more a reflection of one's life choices than anything.
If life is that bad, change it.
I can enjoy a drink without needing it. There are many joys in life, not all are needs.
~Not all of us are alcoholics suffering thru life with booze as our only solace.
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My wife is a doctor, funny, but she told me the summary of this article a while back. I was surprised.
I do not think I will change my behavior though, maybe I will invite people over to share the bottle though.
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I agree, and I'm a teetotaler (I love that term). My daily joy is coffee, and I know caffeine isn't "good" for you. I have about 24 ounces over a couple of hours and that's my daily coffee. It's my vice, but I'm okay with it. Freshly roasted coffee ground daily :).
The culture of drinking isn't as popular as it once was, here in the states. Also, mental health issues are more acceptable, so people can get help and medication, where once they may have done more self medication rather than face the stigma.
My
Re: equate joy to needing alcohol? (Score:2)
You're projecting.
NN never mentioned drinking, the comment was specifically and clearly stated: the healthiest thing for everyone by modern medicine's standards is joylessness
It is you fly swatter that has an issue, it should be attended to, for your own happiness if nothing else.
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If life is that bad, change it.
But shooting the boss is a crime in at least 48 states. Lynching the landlord is too, in spite of the Dead Kennedys suggestion.
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That's fine, but why do you equate joy to needing alcohol?
Who said need? You don't need to eat a perfectly cooked wagyu steak as well. Go to a hospital and get yourself tube fed to get basic nutrition needed to survive. It's not about an alcoholic hit, it's about literal thousands of flavours in life you forgo. I hate being drunk. I *LOVE* drinking. The fine tastes of whiskey aged in different ways in different barrels. The fine brews of a New England IPA, or hell combine the two, make a whiskey then age your beer in the used whiskey barrel.
That is joy for me. The
When a society is more to blame. (Score:2, Interesting)
That's fine, but why does society equate joy to needing alcohol? That's more a reflection of society than anything. If society is that bad, change it.
FTFY. Next time try and remember things like people earning 18% more on average when they socialize at a bar with co-workers, which equates to “fun” by drinking in order to be respected in your paycheck. Or the time an entire country tried to “change it” by making alcohol illegal (Prohibition) with even more deadly results.
Society demands alcohol far more than individuals do, including government cheering it on FOR its harmful properties. Anything that meets the golden trifecta of
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If the treatment programs seem to be failing, I suspect that's because the programs are bad or unable to address the actual problems.
I worked with a guy who got a DUI on Christmas Day. Ironically blew a .25 on December 25th. It was then HE knew he had a problem, and I was thankful he finally realized it before killing someone. He was on a flight within a week to attend the infamous 12-step program. He came back a month later and said he was “done” with the program. Having had family members in AA in the past, I knew damn well he needed that ongoing support to stay sober, but the most depressing part about all of it was f
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Your reply is a good example of contextomy. GP's referring to the fact that basically everything enjoyable from a grilled hamburger to eggs to ice cream to alcohol has been claimed to be terrible for us.
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>People can have fun drinking,
Yes, but if you need alcohol to have fun, that's a big red flag. Fun while drinking is not the same as fun because of drinking.
And even then plenty of kids mistake the first as without risk and over-indulge. Hell, lots of adults do too.
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Re:-_- I don't agree (Score:5, Insightful)
Greetings from England. Those I know who drink socially are healthier, live longer and are generally, more fun and less aggressive than those that don't.
Ah yes, the sample size of "small" with selection bias of "people I know." A strong, well-respected, scientific basis for any conclusion. Bravo my friend.
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Maybe the modders that flagged it as "Flamebait" simply do not like your posts?
When in doubt, apply Occam's Razor to the question.
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In this case, the reason not to like the post is if you're an alcoholic in denial.
"Wanting alcohol is ok, needing it is a bad sign" is not exactly controversial among people who aren't addicted to it.
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Or, perhaps, just perhaps, there are people in this world who enjoy alcohol without being addicted to it.
But your perception is obviously biased.
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And if it is a big red flag, what business is it of yours?
Think any attorney standing across from the sobbing mother who’s child your client killed driving drunk, is going to successfully spew that bullshit as a defense?
You may stop pretending that alcohol doesn’t create innocent victims now. Fucking hell.
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Nobody needs anything but air and water.
Not true.
25 elements are needed for life: Hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, magnesium, boron, chromium, cobalt, copper, fluorine, iodine, iron, manganese, molybdenum, selenium, silicon, tin, vanadium, and zinc.
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This kind of answer is why I still come to this site. +1 if I could have!
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Youâ(TM)re literally the problem with most of society if you think thatâ(TM)s why people like something. Nobody needs anything but air and water. But god dang life is better with spice added to it.
As dearly departed friend once told me, "All you need is a loincloth and a lean-to. Maybe a pointéd stick. Everything after that is gravy."
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Please tell you friend it should be a pointd stick. Also, you need fire to make gravy. Other than that, no notes.
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And:
He who controls the spice controls the universe!
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Re: Your own biases are showing (Score:2)
Fermenting has been a way to preserve food in ancient times, alcohol is a side effect.
Alcohol is also produced by natural breakdown of fruit and some other food.
This means that if the body can break down alcohol the food is viable for longer, which in pre-historic time was important for survival.
Re: Your own biases are showing (Score:2)
Re: Your own biases are showing (Score:2)
What on earth has a high UID got to do with age? A low one like mine sets a min. age, but that is all. I could have a high UID if I wanted, but I wouldnâ(TM)t get any younger.
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well, that's an option. i literally grew up with this lie, it was about time it got debunked.
then again life is a compromise, but it should be an informed one.
The question is not whether it carries risk (Score:4, Interesting)
The question is whether it significantly impacts your overall risk profile. For example, "moderate risk" sounds to me with being pretty much in line with just living in a modern society. Leaving out (moderate) drinking is not going to do much there.
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this is subjective. to me, the scale is low (25%), moderate (50%), high (75%)
that's why i dislike labels. give me numbers
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that's why i dislike labels. give me numbers
Indeed. Not well defined words do no cut it at all.
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that's why i dislike labels. give me numbers
Indeed. Not well defined words do no cut it at all.
I like black labels:
https://www.johnniewalker.com/... [johnniewalker.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: The question is not whether it carries risk (Score:2)
I like green labels. I guess we'll have to agree to Disarono
Re: The question is not whether it carries risk (Score:2)
The say "as little as one or two drinks per day". Wtf? One or two per day is not "as little as". That's an alcoholism level of consumption.
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> "moderate risk" sounds to me with being pretty much in line with just living in a modern society. Leaving out (moderate) drinking is not going to do much there.
I think they mean "moderately" increased risk in comaprison to non-drinkers in the same environment. Now "moderate" is not well defined...
So all in all the corellation with alcochol consumption and health is negative. Drinkers show "moderatly" decreased health over non-drinking population, there goes my evening ;-(
Re:The question is not whether it carries risk (Score:5, Informative)
The question is whether it significantly impacts your overall risk profile. For example, "moderate risk" sounds to me with being pretty much in line with just living in a modern society. Leaving out (moderate) drinking is not going to do much there.
It's quantified in the article (that is one of the main points of the article - what is the actual fucking risk).
Writing this while enjoying a good beer!
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It's quantified in the article (that is one of the main points of the article - what is the actual fucking risk). ... A drink a day will take off 2.5 months.
A drink a day only cuts 2.5 months from your life? Guess I have some catching up to do!
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Damn, 2 years isn't bad at all for 5 drinks a day.
Even if they're good years.
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The article defines what a "drink" is or lumps together beer, wine, spirits? Anyway, 2.5 months over a like of 80-90 years is statistically nothing, 0.04% and if you reach that age, if you are more likely do die from other causes.
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But at least it means that there is no clear benefit. I dislike ethanol, plus the stuff is expensive (due to taxes), but there was a time when the research was pointing in the other direction, and I was regretfully thinking I might need to introduce some into my diet, maybe diluted into various things drunk over the course of a day. But the current research makes me able to avoid alcohol without feeling guilty.
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It's a balance of risks too. If your life is very stressful and a small amount of alcohol takes some of the edge off, overall it might be beneficial.
Modern life is very a case of picking your poison.
Alcohol may be healthy for some people (Score:4, Funny)
This [scitechdaily.com] would be cancelled out by this [sciencedirect.com]
Alcoholism to cure autism... Genius! And I'm not even a brain specialist, just a very experienced wino.
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Hey, I'll drink to that *raises wine glass* in toast...
JoshK.
Everything is bad for you (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Everything is bad for you (Score:4, Funny)
That said, ethanol is a mild poison, and it is quite reasonable that it should correlate with various medical conditions. Getting out of bed in the morning is a risk, it is a matter of risk versus reward. I think that cancer warnings are a joke. They are so common that they have become meaningless. California should be required by its own laws to place cancer warnings on its beaches for sun exposure and the presence of silica which are both known cancer risks.
I deal with that by staying in bed and making sure that my whiskey is nearby. Of course, I have to occasionally get up to get water or Gatorade, but I have a plan to solve that by winding a hose and drink dispenser right up to my nightstand. Going to the toilet is more of a problem. Then of course I have to be careful not to roll off the bed and hit my head on said nightstand, but just staying in bed does minimize many of my risks. Now I'm just trying to arrange a work from home plan so I can afford all this, my rent, basic other things, and my cheap-ass whiskey. I'm currently trying to get a job at Google.
/s for the criminally stupid
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Was Gatorade actually named after the FL Gators?
If so then why was there never a Heatade from Miami!
It's full of Caribean water and of course electrolytes.
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I deal with that by staying in bed and making sure that my whiskey is nearby. Of course, I have to occasionally get up to get water or Gatorade, but I have a plan to solve that by winding a hose and drink dispenser right up to my nightstand. Going to the toilet is more of a problem. Then of course I have to be careful not to roll off the bed and hit my head on said nightstand, but just staying in bed does minimize many of my risks. Now I'm just trying to arrange a work from home plan so I can afford all this, my rent, basic other things, and my cheap-ass whiskey. I'm currently trying to get a job at Google.
This entertaining music video documents a solution to help you meet your requirements. [youtube.com]
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https://www.bmj.com/content/37... [bmj.com]
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Ahead of my time (Score:2, Informative)
I never have been able to drink much because to me anything that contains alcohol tastes like poison.
Guess I was not wrong.
The good thing is that these days most places that serve drinks have at least a few interesting non-alcoholic drinks.
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Why was this down moderated? It might not have been what you wanted to read, but it is still a valid opinion. 'Informative' would have been better.
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Ripe fruit can have alcohol content (it's how you can find drunk moose, which are dangerous). Non-alocholic drinks contain alcohol, just in low enough levels in the serving that it can be called "non-alocholic" (its the same issue you get with "calorie free" tic tacs which have the first ingredient of sugar, and trans-fat free foods which still have trans-fats). Cooking with alcoh
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Jelly of the 5 digit ID.
I wish I could get my 3 digit ID back, but the ISP for that email is gone and the domain held.
I like to read (Score:5, Funny)
Most evenings, I'll sit in a comfortable chair and read a book - sometimes with some alcohol at hand, sometimes tea or another beverage. Over the course of several hours, I'll read. If I'm having alcohol that night, while reading I'll consume the equivalent of 1-2 standard drinks.
So I'm drinking - that's bad. I'm mostly sitting in one spot for 2 hours or more - also bad. And I sometimes get so engrossed in the book, I end up getting less sleep than I should - which is bad too.
The takeaway here is - READING IS BAD FOR YOU!
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I shouldn't have read this.
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Everything is bad for you! ;)
Proposterous! (Score:2)
Next, they'll be saying that smoking is bad for you as well!
Junk Science!
As a 72 year old... (Score:5, Insightful)
I will happily exchange that for a little brain shrinkage.
My doctor said... (Score:2)
I have "essential tremor" and the main way to treat the symptoms is with a blood thinner that made me feel like butt. The #2 treatment is booze. My doctor said that I could just take a little nip every now and then when needed. He'd be so proud; I'm posting this from a tiki bar XD
Then I will continue where they left off (Score:2)
The amount is out there, and I will find it.
Any health benefits were from being affluent (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't get me wrong, I know why people drink and I drink socially...I just know that drinking is like ice cream...it's a treat...not something you endure to be healthier. No one pretends that they're eating Ben and Jerry's "for health."
Regarding class, yeah yeah yeah, you know some lady who lives in a trailer and likes wine and some billionaire that never drinks or only drinks beer....but on average, in the USA, especially in the 80s and 90s, poor people didn't drink a lot of wine...mostly people who were middle class or higher. Poor people drank beer or hard liquor or nothing at all.
So yeah, you're less likely to have a heart attack if you're middle class or above, can afford to see a doctor when you should, and have less stress in life. Wine is not the most convenient beverage in most of the country, especially in the 80s and 90s, so if you frequently drank wine, you probably had a greater chance of being organized and having your act together in life...the type of person who saw the doctor on time, gets their oil changed regularly, knows when their kids' school events are, etc. In fact, I'd wager people who schedule routine maintenance on their vehicle are, on average, even healthier than those who don't...we know you'd didn't have that heart attack because you went 2 years without changing your oil...you're just under a lot of stress and/or disorganized in many facets of life.
I'm sure you can find similar correlations between iPhone and Android users...or people who own Macbook Pros vs cheap Acer Laptops from WalMart, etc....people who drink Starbucks, etc.
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There's cheap wine that isn't terrible now, so does that still hold?
Used to be that beer was crazy cheap and wine wasn't, but now you can get a decent wine at grocery outlet. It's cheaper than microbrews.
Soon everything will have a health warning (Score:2)
... and people will learn to ignore them. Even the important ones.
Maybe the warnings should have a number, showing expected reduction in years of life expectancy. I suspect in many cases the number is statistically zero.
From the no-shit-department (Score:3)
It's literally used to disinfect or clean surfaces, it's flammable, and it's a toxin that will kill you if you take too much of it. I don't know of anybody who thinks their booze is making them healthier
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Fiddlesticks!!
Next you're going to suggest inhaling smoke is bad for our lungs.
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It was very common wisdom in the 90's that a glass of wine a night improves cardiovascular health to the point that it was recommended by doctors. I know because my dad drank a single glass of wine a night on his doctor's advice while he had only drank very rarely prior to that.
Wine (Score:4, Informative)
>"The cause of that association was not clear, but red wine, researchers theorized, might have anti-inflammatory properties that extended life and protected cardiovascular health..."
Yeah, and I have been telling people forever that this was bogus from the start. It isn't about wine. Any health benefits are actually from GRAPE, it doesn't need to be as wine. And you can get that by drinking real grape juice or eating grapes or taking grape supplements like grape seed/skin extracts.
* antioxidants
* phenolic acids
* anthocyanins
* flavonoids
* proanthocyanidins
* procyanidins
Try this: https://www.healthline.com/nut... [healthline.com] and https://www.healthline.com/hea... [healthline.com]
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But what are the health problems of weed?
Lung cancer, for one.
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But what are the health problems of weed?
Lung cancer, for one.
Or, for none. You aren't basing this post on anything factual you ever read or heard, it is just an assumption you make without evidence.
Lung cancer has never been linked to cannabis, not even when it is smoked. Donald Tashkin set out to show the lung cancer risks of smoking cannabis but too his surprise proved the opposite [washingtonpost.com]. Here is a link to some of his most recent work, [jaci-inpractice.org] and it still shows no link at all to cancer.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
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Useless. Too small of study. And there is no possible way for them to have accurately compensated for all other factors.
Regardless, inhalation of anything other than the "standard" mix of oxygen, carbon dioxide, nitrogen, etc that our air should be is automatically bad for you. Inhaling the burning smoke of anything is bad for you. Inhaling concentrated water vapor is bad for you. Inhaling helium is bad for you. Inhaling dirt is bad for you. Some things are more concentratedly bad for you than others. But e
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Lot of things are harmful in a bunch of ways, while being useful, or at least interesting, in others. That is true of just about everything. Do you like cheese? Good in protein and calcium, bad in saturated fat and (usually) salt. And lo and behold, too much of it is really bad for you. Just like everything. Whether it's working out, eating cheese, drinking alcohol, or ingesting weed - there is no point in caring about how others are enjoying their lives or judging others based on how you enjoy yours.
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Well, given that there are two few marijuana smokers who don't also smoke tobacco, a truly large scale controlled study is impossible.
What? Maybe in Europe where I've heard smoking the two at the same time mixed together is common that's true. In the US that is absolutely not true though as Americans typically smoke marijuana straight.
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given that there are two few marijuana smokers who don't also smoke tobacco
-- citation please?
All I have are anecdotes, but I know a lot of people who smoke pot and only about 1/3 of them smoke tobacco. If there was a serious health problem with weed then we would probably know it already. A person just can't afford a smoking habit AND a weed habit any more. And another anecdote: Since weed has been legalized, health insurance companies don't even consider it "smoking" any more. Ask yourself if they would give you a pass on weed unless they have found that it will not cost th
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I'm sure you actually do. They're just all substances that society has accepted for one reason or another.
Re:whatever (Score:5, Informative)
But what are the health problems of weed?
Looks like it might raise the risk of heart attacks and strokes [heart.org], increase the chance of psychosis and schizophrenia [cdc.gov], increase in depression in teens [columbiapsychiatry.org] who use it compared to those who don't, use by pregnant mothers [nih.gov] has been linked to behavioral problems, mental illness and lower academic achievement in children and adolescents, and an increase in emergency room visits [cnn.com] by people due to the effects of marijuana, including children under the age of 10.
But other than that, it's perfectly harmless. It's why so many people want to use it. Because it has no effect on you .
Now watch the downvotes roll in for providing factual information.
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Yeah weed by all accounts is pretty mild as far as drugs go but they are all still drugs, alcohol, tobacco and caffeine included. How and when you use them makes a huge difference.
If there is one thing our anti-drug crusade backfired on is the fact that for real marijuana just like alcohol can have bad effects on developing brains so like for real teenagers should not do it but nobody believes anything anymore because authorities lied about drugs for our entire lives.
Like the honest advice we should tell k
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Like the honest advice we should tell kids is "don't do these things until your 20s ...
"I can handle this because I'm grown up. But you can't."
I can just tell who has never raised a kid.
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"I can handle this because I'm grown up. But you can't."
Yeah, just take what i said, rephrase it entirely to sound as antagonistic as possible to a teenager and then you can be snarky about it. Amazing stuff folks.
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Just tell kids that cannabis is a medication to combat menopause and prostate enlargement and they will stay far, far away from it.
Hell, put it on the store shelves next to Preparation H and all the kids will tease anyone that uses it.
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The quickest way to kill Tik Tok is to convince every parent to post once a week, just like what killed Facebook for kids.
Re:whatever (Score:5, Insightful)
There have been a bunch of studies showing an association between cannabis and psychiatric issues, but most of them are looking at cannabis use which starts in the teenage years (or even earlier). Common sense suggests that it's a bad idea for teenagers (let alone pre-teens) to get into *any* form of drug use. I haven't yet seen any data to suggest that moderate use would cause mental illness in adults. Also, when you're studying cannabis use in teenagers and children, you are dealing with a ton of confounding variables (mostly having to do with parenting and social milieu), which are just about impossible to correct for in a meaningful way.
With that said: We just don't know much about the long-term effects of frequent cannabis use. In twenty years, we might know more.
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An obvious explanation for the correlation is that people with psychiatric problems are more likely to use weed.
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That's far from an obvious deduction. I've not seen any reports of such a correlation specifically.
What might be deducible is that there is a large proportion, say 50%, of the population that is genetically prone to brain disorder when exposed to weed. ie: They tip over easier, so to speak. That would make it crap shoot as to where any one person sits without knowing the associated genetic carriers.
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Yeah, right, and teens are known for not experimenting.
Basic rule seems to be the younger one is the worse the damage will be. But that doesn't suddenly cut off at age 21, nor age 31, nor even 41.
And do we really want to examine every drug at the levels of alcohol consumption?
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Who, drugs are bad for pregnant women and developing minds of children. Who knew.
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What do you think happens in those emergency room visits? This is the treatment regimen: "Yes, you are stoned. You are also discharged. Goodbye."
Why do you think it's relevant that children under the age of 10 are finding their way into mommy's cannabis? They also manage to choke on fruit snacks, and shoot themselves with daddy's revolver. And the prognosis for those emergencies is much worse.
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But what are the health problems of weed?
Looks like it might raise the risk of heart attacks and strokes [heart.org], increase the chance of psychosis and schizophrenia [cdc.gov], increase in depression in teens [columbiapsychiatry.org] who use it compared to those who don't, use by pregnant mothers [nih.gov] has been linked to behavioral problems, mental illness and lower academic achievement in children and adolescents, and an increase in emergency room visits [cnn.com] by people due to the effects of marijuana, including children under the age of 10.
But other than that, it's perfectly harmless. It's why so many people want to use it. Because it has no effect on you .
Now watch the downvotes roll in for providing factual information.
Precisely.
Oh, and it's usually delivered by smoke. Now the very same people (for the most part) who acted like a stray molecule of tobacco smoke would cause your baby to have three heads, now demand the right to billow clouds of skunk-smelling smoke everywhere.
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But what are the health problems of weed?
Being extremely obnoxious
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Cannabis emesis is pretty awful.
Loss of dreaming is bad for you.
Loss of motivation can be catastrophic.
I know one woman who tried to self-medicate adhd with weed and every time a bigger property tax bill came in she'd smoke a bigger bowl and then she wouldn't feel bad about it.
She lost her home.
I know one guy who got cancer and tried to cure it with weed because of something he read. I mean, I knew him.
There's some data to suggest that schizo-prone people can be triggered into onset by weed. I have real dou
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Weed Prohibition is obviously much worse than all of those. But let's not train kids that any drug is harmless.
Theres a massive canyon between these two concepts that you could drive 12 trucks full of weed through and luckily we already sorta know how to balance that: alchohol! It's fun, but don't use too much. It's got health downsides, be aware and try to moderate. If you think you have a problem, reach out for help. Make sure that help is available and without stigma for people.
The lady with her tax bill? That's the core of addiction to anything, not just weed. If you're using it to escape your problems, then
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>If you think you have a problem, reach out for help.
LOL. If this worked, we wouldn't have any addicts in the world. A lack of insight is a key attribute of addiction.
>It's fun, but don't use too much.
The problem with this suggestion is that the old axiom "the dose makes the poison" applies here, except that you don't know what dose is going to cause YOU problems. There are some street drugs that are essentially impossible to dose – there's no way to know beforehand whether you're going to have
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This is another case of there being a yawning chasm between how alcohol operates vs other drugs (and similar chasms between various drugs).
True but as far as I can tell this is a sortoff opiod specific thing. This is sortof where we have to seperate as you said "street drugs" we mainly mean crack, meth and heroin (just all opiods basically) which all have very problems with being laced and inconsistent dosages due to it's illegal nature.
Also this advice just the same as mine does nothing because the person lighting up crack or meth or shooting heroin for the first time, well, the circumstances of your life that brought you here generally mean
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