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Kremlin Says It Hopes $20.6 Decillion Fine Got Google's Attention (yahoo.com) 85

An enormous fine levied by a Russian court on Google caught the attention of the Kremlin -- which hopes Google will notice in turn. From a report: President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitri Peskov, commented on the sum on Thursday. It came after a court demanded payment equivalent of $20.6 decillion -- an almost incomprehensible figure that exceeds the world's GDP. The sum came from a penalty for suspending the YouTube accounts of various Russian outlets. It has been regularly doubling for years, with no limit, leading it into realms of the absurd, which Peskov seemed to acknowledge. "Although it is a specific amount, I cannot even pronounce this number, it is rather filled with symbolism," said Peskov in response to a question from NBC News.
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Kremlin Says It Hopes $20.6 Decillion Fine Got Google's Attention

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  • by zuckie13 ( 1334005 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @02:25PM (#64912841)

    I don't think anyone at Google is taking this seriously. Russia knows the media will eat up getting to print a really big number, that's all.

  • by hdyoung ( 5182939 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @02:25PM (#64912845)
    We think it’s funny.

    Symbolic? Maybe, but not in the way they think.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      We think itâ(TM)s funny.
      Symbolic? Maybe, but not in the way they think.

      Perhaps Google should send a symbolic payment.
      Does the symbol of a middle finger have the same meaning in Russia?

      • Does the symbol of a middle finger have the same meaning in Russia?

        It does, see the official stamp: https://www.rmg.co.uk/national... [rmg.co.uk]

      • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

        Print two $20 decillion bills and stamp them "No Change Given when used".

      • Perhaps Google should send a symbolic payment.

        I was thinking the same thing, only it should be a check for 20.6 decillion US dollars. Everyone who sees it will have a laugh as it passes through the banking system, and then bounces to the moon.

        That said, I suppose it would be a bad idea for Google to write a bad check, or even implicitly assent to Russia's judgement by doing so.

        I also keep thinking of Russia doing a Dr. Evil pose on this. This judgement exceeds the total amount of money that has ever existed in the history of human economies, by many, m

        • by mysidia ( 191772 )

          I was thinking the same thing, only it should be a check for 20.6 decillion US dollars. Everyone who sees it will have a laugh as it passes through the banking system, and then bounces to the moon.

          It would be a bad idea. Google's local business unit within Russia that would owe the fine went bankrupt and ceased doing business. And Google does not do any business in Russia - companies there cannot purchase AdSense ads, etc. As a result Russia has no jurisdiction over the parent company Alphabet and

    • I was actually thinking it'd be funny if they entered it into their system, had an overflow error, and ended up depositing their entire GDP into Google's account.

    • Putin making this demand is no different from Dr Evil demanding some ludicrously large amount of money from the UN. In fact, Mike Myers should demand some residuals from Russia for stealing his comedy.
  • ... but won't get any of Google's money.
  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @02:35PM (#64912887)

    This 'symbolic' fine isn't impressing me with Russian resolve. Rather it is showing just how little Google cares about Russian business if obeying these laws are a related cost.

    Compare Canada to Russia. We're a resource economy too. We have fewer people. Our economy is significantly larger and we're not invading other countries to rob them of our wealth to prop ourselves up a bit longer.

    Russia seemed to have hope for a while, but squandered it building a gangster kleptocracy. It should be shunned by civilization until it can get its act together.

  • Eventually the rate of inflation will exceed "doubling every day" and the fine can be paid off for the equivalent of $20.

    "Ten million bakshees! In American money, ten cents!" (from a Felix the Cat cartoon)

  • If the penalty is so absurd that you canâ(TM)t pay, at what point is it just a big FU, that Google would just geoblock Russia?


  • The Kremlin better pray google doesn't decide to be mean and poison data about Russia. It'll just take a few days to cause havoc.
    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      How would they know if Google was the one to do it? They have plenty of enemies willing to badmouth them.

  • Reality (Score:5, Informative)

    by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @02:46PM (#64912927) Homepage

    The reality is that the Kremlin's utter idiocy and lies have caught people's attention.

    Idiocy is demanding something from the company that left the country for good over two years ago.

    Lies is to expect them to pay a penny when YouTube was effectively banned/blocked in Russia two months ago and you cannot watch any videos without VPN.

    Double lying is saying that Google is somehow preventing Russians from watching YouTube, when in fact you have 1) throttled it to 128Kbps (that's kilobits per second, a little faster than modem speed back in the 90s), rendering it inoperable 2) You've sent very threatening letters to Russian ISPs who have tried to override the throttling.

    • Re:Reality (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @02:56PM (#64912963) Homepage

      Sadly the West has paid zero attention to this miserable fact.

      Source: just Google it up (preferably in Russian). There's very little information about this in English.

      Oh, wait, I've found it, Washington Post actually has a news article about this: https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]

      What's even worse is that the Russian "alternatives" such as VK videos have been caught downloading thousands of copyrighted YouTube videos and offering them locally. Of course, the original content creators will not get a penny for their work: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2... [meduza.io]

      The country has basically legalized piracy of Western media content, software and hardware (you can officially buy Intel/AMD CPUs, NVIDIA/AMD GPUs, iPhones, Qualcomm-based smartphones, etc.). - all of which are forbidden to be exported to Russia - Kazakhstan has happily helped Russia in this): https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]

  • Google is incorporated in a country which provides certain constitutional rights to people; Including corporations formed here.

    One of those rights is a prohibition against excessive fines found in the 8th amendment.

    Sometimes there can be some debate as to what is excessive; However, I think most judges would end up agreeing that 20 decillion obviously is. Therefore, it is doubtful that any collection action can successfully be made on that fine - the Russians would likely be laughed out of court upon

  • by SysEngineer ( 4726931 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @03:08PM (#64913001)
    Block companies, people, groups, search for Russian things (Country non-gratis) but allow the Russian people to access Google.
  • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @03:11PM (#64913019)

    President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitri Peskov, commented on the sum on Thursday. It came after a court demanded payment equivalent of $20.6 decillion -- an almost incomprehensible figure that exceeds the world's GDP..

    Since that number lives in the finance world, it IS an incomprehensible figure. It’s also implausible, impossible, and insane.

    They got the attention of Google alright. Google hasn’t stopped laughing for days. Neither has the rest of the exceeds-GDP-world.

    Dr. Evils demands, were literally more plausible. Let that sink in, Russia.

  • When converting from Rubles to Dollars you should remove 17 zeroes, but they added 17 zeroes instead.
  • by xack ( 5304745 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @03:15PM (#64913027)
    When going for big numbers, consider the origin of the company's name.
  • What's the difference between a dollar and a ruble?

    About 99 cents.

  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @03:29PM (#64913057)
    Maybe they should just...google it.
  • Couldn't they just sell the organs of everyone they're murdering every day? That would surely help a bit?

  • by test321 ( 8891681 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @04:06PM (#64913179)

    1. Absence of separation of powers When the the executive (the Kremlin's spokesperson) comments on the judiciary decision, or when it is made clear that the purpose of a justice decision is to get someone's attention for the Kremlin, then this illustrates how Russia's justice system isn't independent from the executive.

    2. Absence of care for the effectiveness of justice A fine 2.10^19 times the world's GDP can't be correlated to any damage, and can't be applied. Justice isn't supposed to be useless exercise. If Russia wanted the attention of Google, they'd made the fine painful but payable. Such that Google would have to pay it, and would be careful next time. Making the fine impossible to pay, is making sure google won't do anything about it (ignore it, or wait for a regime change)

    3. "Nuclear" threats all the way Threatening with something much larger than the world itself only reminds me with the nuclear threats Russia has been doing in the recent conflict. It's a their trope of chest-banging gorilla.

  • If I worked for Google I would make a fine increment timer and put it on the wall...

  • by Local ID10T ( 790134 ) <ID10T.L.USER@gmail.com> on Friday November 01, 2024 @05:08PM (#64913413) Homepage

    World is laughing at you.

    Lesson is do not make demands you cannot enforce -it just lets everyone know you are impotent.

    • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

      Rule #0 of being in charge is "don't make unenforceable rules". At best, it creates a two-tier system of rules that get applied and rules that don't. More likely, it is as you say -- you just look powerless.

  • ... and this "fine" is just a very public way of Russia drawing attention to the fact that the Russian state is a joke. Sad for the 140M or so people who have the misfortune of living in this violent kleptocracy.
  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Friday November 01, 2024 @05:20PM (#64913457) Journal
    ..and Putin is to blame for all of it, plain and simple.
    This so-called 'court ruling' is just more sad comedy, highlighting how utterly failed Russia and Putin are.
    Every word that comes out of Russia now sounds like an extremely angry elderly chihuahua visciously yapping, signifying nothing.
    Russian citizens, defenestrate Putin and take your country back. Honestly, if you can manage to have a leader and government that isn't rotten to the core and corrupt as fuck, we might just start being nice to you.
    • Sadly I've become convinced that the Russian people get the government that they deserve, there is a long history of being rules cruelly and without their own interests in mind. That isn't likely to change, it's basically been bread into them over so many generations.
  • https://www.hrw.org/legacy/rep... [hrw.org]

    Cruelty in Russian orphanages

    They are breeding future serial killers

  • Yeah, this is definitely going to make the country less pitiful and comical. This is very stereotypical moment of past russia socialism era it never really managed to grow out of - absurdity of things like catch 22
  • in my mind, at least, the best response would be for google to contract with whatever the largest corporate law firm is in Ukraine, and draft an official letter to the russian authorities.

    "from [suitably important people at google]
    to: [relevant russian ministries]
    re: $20 decillion dollar fine
    that's nice.
    signed: google"

    • Or have them compose something in the spirit of the "letter of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan" (Google it).

  • Google doesn't care! The Kremlin and Putin can go phuck each other all day long and G still doesn't care. Unless they make a video and post it on YouTube.

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