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Silicon Valley's Perks Culture is Largely Dead (nytimes.com) 146

Major tech companies are scaling back workplace perks amid industry-wide layoffs and increased focus on AI development. Google, Meta, and Salesforce have reduced or eliminated benefits ranging from massage services to retreat centers, marking a shift from the lavish "perks culture" that defined Silicon Valley for two decades.

Netflix has informally shortened its parental leave, while Meta fired employees for misusing meal vouchers. The industry saw over 264,000 layoffs in 2023, suggesting the end of an era where companies competed for talent with luxury amenities
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Silicon Valley's Perks Culture is Largely Dead

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  • by Improv ( 2467 ) <pgunn01@gmail.com> on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:15PM (#65011115) Homepage Journal

    A lot of these were excessive (I've seen some of these perks up close), but having good parental leave policies is a healthy work-life balance thing and probably should be among the last of the perks to be considered for reduction.

    • Forget work-life balance, a country with a shrinking population can't afford to go cheap on supporting those producing the next generation - unless it wants to hand the nation over to whatever foreign culture has an excess of people looking to emigrate.

      Generous parental leave needs to be enshrined in law and taxpayer funded.

      • Dont worry buddies, IVF benefits are still in place so you feel better slaving until mid-40s to have a child.
        • I'm shocked that benefit is still in there. I would have thought that it was one of the first to go because it would cause a large increase in health insurance premiums.

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        "Generous parental leave needs to be enshrined in law and taxpayer funded."

        Why not just free money for the people you say? Why the complicated justification? Money for me, not for thee.

        The elite are not concerned with shrinking population, they want to accelerate it. The current political climate is exactly the opposite of what you advocate.

        Personally, I oppose taxpayer funded parental leave, I prefer investment in education and free school meals. I want money to actually go to the children, not prefere

        • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:55PM (#65011237) Homepage Journal

          From an economic standpoint we almost double our workforce when we incentivize mothers to woek and have full time careers. The age of a parent staying at home and there being only a single income in the household is quickly disappearing. If a relatively short few months of taxpayer funded leave keeps someone on track for a higher paying careee, that is a net increase in tax revenue.

          • by KlomDark ( 6370 )
            That's not sustainable, and you know it.
          • And higher household income with lower individual income... Sorry, I meant discretionary income.

      • by MinusOne ( 4145 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @02:26PM (#65011323)

        The US population is not shrinking. And we have always had immigrants in large numbers. I don't understand this "hand over the culture" idea, it smacks of ethno-nationalism to me. Our culture is not particularly special and we have always incorporated immigrant contributions. Christmas as it is currently celebrated with Santa and trees and so on was imported. In 1850 no one celebrated Saint Patrick's Day openly because the Irish were the problem immigrants of the day. Every popular music style owes a huge amount to other cultures including so called "native" forms like rock, jazz and hip-hop. In 1960 there was no Thai food in the US, Chinese was rare outside of cities, mexican and anything spicy was rare outside of the southwest, and even italian was considered a bit weird. Good coffe made well and european style cafes were rare. All of these are now common and considered part of American culture. Suggesting that culture is somehow static and can be "handed over" is a pretty awful sentiment.

        I completely agree with the last statement: Generous parental leave needs to be enshrined in law and taxpayer funded.

        • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @02:39PM (#65011373)

          I'm not anti-immigrant or a racist worried about 'them' replacing 'us'. However, if you churn the culture too quickly you get conflict... And instead of getting the best of both worlds, if there's one primary source of immigration it will tend to replace the existing one over time. I think there's one or two cultural standards I'd prefer to see persist.

          And the population is only not shrinking because of immigration - combined with an insane economic system that requires eternal growth, this is one of the reasons I think the current anti-immigrant politics are stupid and self-defeating. As with my country, Americans aren't making enough babies to sustain the population nevermind grow it.

          • by mjwx ( 966435 )

            I'm not anti-immigrant or a racist worried about 'them' replacing 'us'. However, if you churn the culture too quickly you get conflict... And instead of getting the best of both worlds, if there's one primary source of immigration it will tend to replace the existing one over time. I think there's one or two cultural standards I'd prefer to see persist.

            And the population is only not shrinking because of immigration - combined with an insane economic system that requires eternal growth, this is one of the reasons I think the current anti-immigrant politics are stupid and self-defeating. As with my country, Americans aren't making enough babies to sustain the population nevermind grow it.

            Any conflict is usually in the imaginations of, or directly caused by the people claiming they're being replaced.

            The problem is that society has abandoned them, rather their problem is that things aren't the same as they were 50 years ago when these people refused to adapt. Even with that refusal, society still abides them... a shame they wont afford anyone else the same courtesy.

      • by Hadlock ( 143607 )

        unless it wants to hand the nation over to whatever foreign culture has an excess of people looking to emigrate.

         
        That's... always been the official policy of canada? And until recently the policy of the US? Did you fail US history? It's not a coincidence that both europe an america are full of white people despite having an ocean between them

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        foreign culture has an excess of people looking to emigrate.

        Like Ireland, Germany and Italy in the 1800s and early 1900s. The KKK in the 1920s was bigger north of the Mason Dixon line and was mainly aimed Irish, Italians and French immigrants. But people really underestimate the power and attraction of becoming American, which was what all those people ended up becoming. We're still America, but with pizza and spaghetti and corned beef on St Patrick's day.

        • Benjamin Franklin complained about all the German speakers in Pennsylvania and worried their culture would drown out his own English culture.

          The story of Washington crossing the Delaware at Christmas often plays on those prejudices by including the claim the Hessian mercenaries were drunk from celebrating Christmas. Christmas apparently was not celebrated at all by the Puritans and other protestants and certainly not by partying. So the idea of the drunken Germans fighting for the British was good propaga

      • Why should tax money be used to make people's lives miserable?

        https://www.bps.org.uk/psychol... [bps.org.uk]

        The government should be agnostic towards people's existential choices in life.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Usually perk reduction is a sign of an enterprise in trouble. But it depends what is done. Slashing about the board is very bad. Keeping some and slashing some with actual though going into it is not that bad. But here is a thing: When an enterprise starts to slash toilet paper quality and "female supplies" in the restrooms, it is high time to leave.

    • A lot of these were excessive (I've seen some of these perks up close), but having good parental leave policies is a healthy work-life balance thing and probably should be among the last of the perks to be considered for reduction.

      Like many good "perks", or good benefits won by label unions, they become law. The US has federal law that requires 12 weeks and job projection. Some states have added to that.

      • Norway has approx one year of paid parental leave, plus the right to unpaid leave longer than that. After that, you have a right to kindergarten - which is subsidized and costs about 180 USD/month. This allows Norway to have a very high work participation rate.
        • by drnb ( 2434720 )

          Norway has approx one year of paid parental leave, plus the right to unpaid leave longer than that. After that, you have a right to kindergarten - which is subsidized and costs about 180 USD/month. This allows Norway to have a very high work participation rate.

          Kindergarten is part of our public school system. There are also pre-school programs for younger kids but access is not universal. Some localities do subsidize pre-school, possibly free for lower income.

          Also, if I understand things correctly, Norway is one of the oil exporting nations that is not a kleptocracy and actually uses profits to benefit citizens. So those generous time durations are more doable. The USA may be an oil exporter, and soon we may be doing quite a bit more (especially LNG), but our

          • by teg ( 97890 )

            Norway has approx one year of paid parental leave, plus the right to unpaid leave longer than that. After that, you have a right to kindergarten - which is subsidized and costs about 180 USD/month. This allows Norway to have a very high work participation rate.

            Kindergarten is part of our public school system. There are also pre-school programs for younger kids but access is not universal. Some localities do subsidize pre-school, possibly free for lower income. Also, if I understand things correctly, Norway is one of the oil exporting nations that is not a kleptocracy and actually uses profits to benefit citizens. So those generous time durations are more doable. The USA may be an oil exporter, and soon we may be doing quite a bit more (especially LNG), but our government is so bloated and wasteful it's doubtful we could be so generous. If we compare pre-college public school spending, what in the USA we refer to as K-12, Kindergarten through 12th grade, we probably outspend Norway per student and do a far poorer job. In addition the government problems mentioned previously add a teacher's union that is more concerned with enriching itself and empowering itself politically than actually teaching the children. So much money never makes it to the classroom.

            Yes, we have oil - but this would most years be dwarfed by the loss of income if women left the work force and became "homemakers" rather than working. As for the US - I think the biggest improvement you could do to decrease cost would be to transform healthcare. You spend so much more on healthcare as percentage of GDP than any other countries, with far worse results. A free market depends on informed, rational customers - and you can't have that in healthcare. Also, since the cost is going to be so high c

            • by drnb ( 2434720 )
              Most of my K-12 teachers were pretty good. And family and friends who have gone into teaching are pretty good too. There is an overwhelming belief in them that teaching is a personal calling, not just a career. The pay is not bad, it quickly increases from the starting salaries of inexperienced recent college grads that is used to misrepresent. It's also misrepresented by the fact that teachers also have very generous retirement packages, historically it was easier to get "pay increases" as increased retire
    • A lot of these were excessive (I've seen some of these perks up close), but having good parental leave policies is a healthy work-life balance thing and probably should be among the last of the perks to be considered for reduction.

      Their policy is unlimited parental leave during the first year. That means up to 1 year parental leave. That policy hasn't changed. The only thing that changed was a removal of some text that read "4-8 months is typical" and addition of "work with your manager". Still sounds extremely generous.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by CAIMLAS ( 41445 )

      Realistically, these 'parental leave' benefits were/are primarily a gender discriminatory benefit : primarily, women will take them, and hoist that burden on their male coworkers.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by larryjoe ( 135075 )

        Realistically, these 'parental leave' benefits were/are primarily a gender discriminatory benefit : primarily, women will take them, and hoist that burden on their male coworkers.

        For the companies that I've worked for, fathers have taken the max parental leave possible. Mothers do get more time off, since it's a physical and not just an emotional thing for them. But both want and take the leave.

        There are indeed men who consider parental leave unfair. Of course, the same men consider the vastly greater and superior implicit benefits they enjoy to be earned and not bestowed. It's not a matter of the benefits as much as the hypocritical attitude of entitlement. What I got I earned sole

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @05:06PM (#65011801)

      A good work life balance is the biggest cop-out in USA working culture. It works like this:

      "Hey everyone, come work for me, we have work life balance, you get more leave, flex time, parental leave etc. Also don't forget when we performance rank our employees you will be stack ranked by bosses who can't help but notice how often you come to work and put in that "extra effort", are you keeping up with your colleagues, or will you be in the bottom 10% and get put on a performance plan?"

      Somehow the USA is a country which both has the lowest leave entitlements on the planet while equally having the largest *unused* leave entitlements expire. It's a great thing to offer "work life balance" knowing fully well your employees will destroy their own lives in order to work for you anyway. It's like offering parental leave to an sterile person.

    • This is the US, such socialism isn't allowed here comrade. /s

      But seriously if you thought parental leave wasn't something on the tech oligarch's chopping block for a while, you're delusional. The only life you have to them is WORK.
    • Their policy was as much time off as you wanted before a child turned 1, almost everyone was taking the entire year off. That's what they're dialing back. I'm very pro parental leave, for a reasonable amount of time, but that might be a bit much. My oldest is only 13 and when she was born I was entitled to, 2 days, also known as the 2 days my wife was in the hospital.
    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      A lot of these were excessive (I've seen some of these perks up close), but having good parental leave policies is a healthy work-life balance thing and probably should be among the last of the perks to be considered for reduction.

      That's why it'll be the first things they cut. These are stealth layoffs.

  • perx for womxn (Score:5, Insightful)

    by groobly ( 6155920 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:16PM (#65011117)

    Turns out perx cost money.

  • by spaceyhackerlady ( 462530 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:30PM (#65011169)

    All the at-work goodies encourage you to be at work every waking minute. Your work is your life.

    ...laura

    • by drnb ( 2434720 )

      All the at-work goodies encourage you to be at work every waking minute.

      Free meals, a laundry service, and a gym/showers, more so. Other perks, less so.

  • Sure, Google had some real perks, like free lunches. But in the real world, most of the perks we are offered are little more than a line item in a list that nobody even looks at. You know, like discount gym memberships or logo coffee mugs. Real perks cost too much.

    • by drnb ( 2434720 )

      Sure, Google had some real perks, like free lunches. But in the real world, most of the perks we are offered are little more than a line item in a list that nobody even looks at. You know, like discount gym memberships or logo coffee mugs. Real perks cost too much.

      Some expensive ones are tax deductions. Look at your reimbursement limit for college educational expenses, the limit is probably un-coincidentally the corporate tax deduction.

  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:50PM (#65011231) Homepage Journal

    The CEO said he would rather give us stock and we can choose to spend it on lunches, t-shirts, whatever. Yet he gives us 22 weeks of parental leave because retaining good people is how you keep a business going. And most people eventually want to start a family, and we will welcome then back once things have settled down with thier baby. This kind of policy is easier for a big company than a smaller one of course.

  • Will they still get free coffee and tea? I got free coffee and tea. (*sigh*) :-(

  • delightful (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by dfghjk ( 711126 )

    Silicon Valley produces the worst examples of humanity on the planet, it represents the absolute worst of VC greed culture. Delightful to see the teets drying up. Next up, those salaries double industry average for junior talent.

    Remember, these companies can work anywhere including remote, but VC scumbags want to sit on their golden thrones and have grovelers come to them. Silicon Valley exists solely because VC investors are incompetent AND lazy. Proximity ceased to be important decades ago.

  • You're stuck living in a place with such poor growth policies that you live like a poor person while earning six figures and now you don't even get free shit at work? Why does anyone even chose to work in the valley anymore?

  • Netflix has informally shortened its parental leave, while Meta fired employees for misusing meal vouchers. The industry saw over 264,000 layoffs in 2023, suggesting the end of an era where companies competed for talent with luxury amenities

    One of these things is not like the others. If you're stealing, you should probably be let go. I dunno, maybe I'm just old fashioned.

    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      Especially when you consider that they sent out a company wide warning to stop or be fired prior to firing anyone. No one who got canned has any real excuse.

    • Yeah, including that one was rather bizarre. Perhaps the author thinks that employees have the right to misuse company resources? The NY Times might want to look into that more closely...

      Anyway, here's the story on that particular bit (since the NYT article is paywalled):

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/17... [cnn.com]

  • by sizzlinkitty ( 1199479 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @04:08PM (#65011619)

    I used to only work for companies that offered perks like massages, catered breakfast, lunches, beer kegerators, game rooms and good common spaces. But after that I went to work from home in 2018 and haven't looked back. None of these perks replaced the time and heart ache of getting up an hour and a half early before having to be at work. I've wasted enough of my life sitting in traffic going to and from a "workplace" when I could do the same thing from home... and I'm done doing it.

  • by Austerity Empowers ( 669817 ) on Friday December 13, 2024 @04:42PM (#65011729)

    They'd rather work from home, and although exec's can't say it with their outside voice, productivity did not drop. People who produce, continue to produce. Useless people continue to be useless. So why spend money on office perks?

    Of course, they continue to demand we be in office at least 60% of the days of the week, because they want those tax breaks and their REIT ETFs might just evaporate. So here we are, no perks and no wfh.

  • Company perqs caused my addiction to La Croix water. I have an unopened can sitting next to me, clock-watching for the next euphoric effervescent hit. At a former employer, I saw a VP with the evening drug (Oreo) cabinet key sneak premature hits that would've gotten an underling fired.

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