Belgium Becomes First EU Country To Ban Sale of Disposable Vapes (theguardian.com) 110
Belgium has become the EU first country to ban the sale of disposable vapes in an effort to stop young people from becoming addicted to nicotine and to protect the environment. From a report: The sale of disposable electronic cigarettes is banned in Belgium on health and environmental grounds from 1 January. A ban on outdoor smoking in Milan came into force on the same day, as EU countries discuss tighter controls on tobacco.
Announcing the ban last year, Belgium's health minister, Frank Vandenbroucke, described electronic cigarettes as an "extremely harmful" product that damages society and the environment. "Disposable e-cigarettes is a new product simply designed to attract new consumers," he told the Associated Press. "E-cigarettes often contain nicotine. Nicotine makes you addicted to nicotine. Nicotine is bad for your health."
Announcing the ban last year, Belgium's health minister, Frank Vandenbroucke, described electronic cigarettes as an "extremely harmful" product that damages society and the environment. "Disposable e-cigarettes is a new product simply designed to attract new consumers," he told the Associated Press. "E-cigarettes often contain nicotine. Nicotine makes you addicted to nicotine. Nicotine is bad for your health."
Not to mention the batteries (Score:5, Interesting)
In my area (not Belgium) they are having problems with these things being disposed of in "normal" wastebins. These batteries can and do occasionally catch fire when the bins are emptied, often with expensive consequences.
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Are these things even legal to take on an airplane? How much liquid do they hold and do they meet the liquid restrictions? What about the rules around lithium batteries?
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A regular vape uses far less liquid than the limit, and these are disposable so they usually have even less. The rules for lithium batteries on planes say that you have to take them in the cabin with you.
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Last time I flew they announced to not do specifically that, including that vaping on the plane was forbidden as well.
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ppl. go into the bathroom to vape and throw the used ones into the trash. i'm surprised the airlines haven't caught onto this yet because it's an obvious hazard (the used vape buried under a mass of paper towels).
Airlines know it's happening but short of employing staff as poop inspectors there's little they can do unless a vape sets of a smoke detector.
Re: waste bins on planes (Score:5, Funny)
Next blockbuster movie: Vapes On Planes!
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One guy on YouTube (Big Clive?) was collecting them off the street to harvest an 18650 and building battery packs out of them.
Apparently they recharge fine.
Never tried, personally - relatively civilized here; only saw one on the ground once.
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No, Big Clive re-uses the cells for other purposes.
There was another person who took the cells and created an e-bike using them by soldering a bunch of them together.
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I think the biggest concern is their quality, if these batteries have a propensity to bulge or catch fire. But yes lithium batteries are rechargable and a simple IC that regulates the voltage and stops them overcharging would allow them to be. Or if they were used in series, some kind of BMS. So "disposable" is ultra cynical when the difference between disposable and reusable is maybe 30 cents of parts and a few other quality / safety bumps in the design.
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In the high school they wind up in the toilets, the pipes have to be emptied and it's always vapes
Cannabis is why it's called "High" scool. (Score:2)
Probably even Cannabis filled vapes, and this is why it's called "High" scool.
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The problem is with these things being disposed of ... period. Whomever invented the idea of a disposable product that lasts less than a day, is used constantly, and contains a rechargeable lithium battery in it should be launched into the sun along with the person who decided to sell pre-peeled oranges in a plastic container, and Satoshi Nakamoto.
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In my area (not Belgium) they are having problems with these things being disposed of in "normal" wastebins. These batteries can and do occasionally catch fire when the bins are emptied, often with expensive consequences.
Waste bins? You lucky devil... Where I live (the UK) they're being disposed of in car parks, public parks, streets, pretty much just dropped on the ground everywhere. I'd love to have your problem with waste bins.
Whilst I fully support vaping as an alternative to smoking (it has got one of my immediate family members and several friends off the darts for good) I would also fully support the banning of single use vapes (as well as stocks/pillories for serial litterers). We need fewer single use things in
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Well done (Score:2, Insightful)
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There is ZERO benefit from them, so getting rid of them is excellent.
The crazy thing is that disposable vapes are often cheaper than refills, despite including a battery, electronics and a whole extra shell.
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Use that tax to fund quit smoking/vaping programs.
Oh, and while we are at it, make a recycling tax so the total cost of recycling is paid in advance, and if you then throw in a "deposit" of $1 to $2 or so, then it becomes economical for people to return them for recycling.
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Make the prices 10 times higher for both using taxes.
That is hard to do in a country like Belgium where the the result of such a tax increase will simply involve someone driving in a car for the distance of an average American commute to another country and buying them cheaper. Unless you can get the entire EU to centrally enact such legislation it will fail.
The Netherlands showed that recently. The increase in taxes in cigarettes hasn't had any effect on smoking rates, it just reduced local sales as goods are instead bought in neighbouring countries. Heck th
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Indeed the EU should be pushing this, if only for environmental impact reasons.
Also, how many of these throw-away e-cigs are really properly regulated for toxicity and other environmental impacts?
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It's illegal to sell cigarettes to minors, under 18yrs old, in Belgium.
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... and you've never seen a minor vape, congratulations ...
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Sale to 16-18 y.o. was banned in 2019 https://www.brusselstimes.com/... [brusselstimes.com]
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Have you even opened the link? "This ban will include cigarettes, rolling tobacco and electronic cigarettes."
nicotine is great (Score:1)
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Turns out (at least in France), it's more costly for society to have people smoke even with the high taxes on tobacco products. https://www.radiofrance.fr/fra... [radiofrance.fr]
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I think the more serious problem should be addressed first. Belgium needs to ban selling nicotine to children.
I'm sure with 11.82 million people in Belgium they can do more than one thing in parallel. Here's a hint: this has nothing to do with kids and everything to do with the environment. Try and stay on topic in your brain.
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I can only speak for Ireland and the UK but if you go into Dealz (Poundland), Eurogiant or whatever there will be a large open display of vape products near the registers. These are not hidden from view, or behind mesh / glass. You literally go up to the the display pick something and buy it. There is an age check on the till but people under 18 can steal these things and probably do.
Vapes really should be sold like other nicotine products. In the UK / Ireland that typically means they are sold from behind
Disgusting waste of resources (Score:5, Insightful)
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Each one of those disposable vape is a full blown microcontroller, recharge circuit for LiPo, a LiPo battery, usually some form of sucking sensor, an LCD, some buttons, etc. I tried one once, lasted me about a week. This means I would go through 50+ of them per year.
Yeah, more than windows.
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Most of these "disposable" vapes use rechargeable batteries too. They are so cheap that they can be thrown away instead of reused.
People collect and reuse them.
Vapes are rainbow cigarettes (Score:3)
Oh Dear, think of the (Score:1)
Billionaires not being able to exploit the masses with legal drugs. When has our lives be better ?
Kinda (Score:2)
Nicotine makes you addicted to nicotine.
And caffeine makes you addicted to caffeine.
Alcohol makes you addicted to alcohol.
The nicotine/caffeine/whatever is not inherently bad. It is used in bad ways both by those creating the products and those that use them. Nicotine is often combined with many other things that are significantly worse (and sometimes even more addicting than the nicotine by itself).
Re:Kinda (Score:5, Informative)
For caffeine it is a dependence but not an addiction. Wikipedia explains https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] :
Pathologically reinforced caffeine use induces a dependence syndrome, but not an addiction.[8] For a drug to induce an addiction from repeated use at sufficiently high doses, it must activate the brain's reward circuitry, particularly the mesolimbic pathway.[8] Neuroimaging studies of preclinical and human subjects have demonstrated that chronic caffeine consumption does not sufficiently activate the reward system, relative to other drugs of addiction (e.g., cocaine, morphine, nicotine).[9][10][11] As a consequence, compulsive use (i.e., an addiction) of caffeine has yet to be observed in humans.[8]
I agree heroin or cocaine are not inherently bad, they can have medical uses.
However, alcohol is inherently bad. There is no amount, however small or big, in which alcohol ingestion does good to the body. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] :
A meta analysis of 107 cohort studies concludes low daily alcohol intake provides no health benefits and increased consumption, even at relatively low levels of daily intake (>2 beverages for women and >3 beverages for men), increases health- and mortality-risks.[87][88]
Re:Kinda (Score:4, Informative)
Alcohol (ethanol) is a treatment for methanol poisoning.
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Alcohol (ethanol) is a treatment for methanol poisoning.
So the cause of and solution to all of our problems.
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Poison yourself with moonshine, go to the hospital, and they give you the good stuff, IV.
Buying vodka at the liquor store would be cheaper though.
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Fair point, but for all intents and purposes, addictions and dependencies are kind of the same thing in the sense that they tend to be both bad and a repeated behavior. Disposable vapes aren't bad because they contain nicotine. Nor are they bad because they're popular with young people (sometimes including children). They're bad because of the other chemicals. They're bad because of their batteries and how they're thrown away.
It was mostly just about calling out how stupid their health minister statements a
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Fair point, but for all intents and purposes, addictions and dependencies are kind of the same thing in the sense that they tend to be both bad and a repeated behavior.
Not quite. The two parts of the brain are very different in terms of our ability to think logically when deviating from a path. Worst case caffeine dependency (what I definitely have with my 8 cup a day habit) induces withdrawal symptoms similar to a migraine. But without the reward pathway of the brain activated it can be overcome with a painkiller and a bit of sleep and the brain has a tendency to recover from caffeine dependence within a couple of days.
On the flip side things which trigger the reward cen
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Whoops left out some important words: from vaping nicotine. "The actual acute withdrawal symptoms from vaping nicotine last less than those from caffeine, but the mental addiction can take upwards of a month to overcome as the brain seeks reward, not just the reduction of pain.
This is similar to cigarettes except for the quitters cough that is developed and lasts a week or two, but the coughing is not the reason people restart smoking.
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Yeah, they are very functionally different. But that still doesn't take away all the similarities they do share. Nor does it take away that Frank there in Belgium, doesn't actually know anything about public health or medicine. A health minister should know more than you or I do.
-Do cigarette smokers/vapers seek out more cigarettes/vapes? Yes (I don't care the reasonings or mechanisms)
-Do caffeine drinkers seek out more caffeine? Yes
-Do both tend to increase consumption over time? Yes
Their health minister w
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No one has taken away any similarity. A dependence and an addiction both cover the similarities except that one is centered around the reward centre of the brain.
What you do and why you do are the distinctions. Yes users seek out the drugs, but clinically they do so for different reasons, one being dependence on the drug and the other addiction. Caffeine is not addictive. You can stop at any time dealing with just mild physiological effects that feel like a flu. You don't seek out coffee for psychological r
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I've been talking about him the entire time. The thread started with me making fun of him and then adding some real information because the health minister doesn't know the difference. Most other people don't know the difference, either. Specifying the difference ruins my making fun. No one jokes about being dependent on caffeine, they joke about being addicted to it. Alcohol can be either an addiction or a dependency, but you didn't see the need to call that out from my initial post.
Only the last line of t
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statements about health at all. He has no zero health or medical education.
If it was about the nicotine, they would just ban all nicotine.
Now there would be an interesting ban. Because tobacco is not the sole source of Nicotine. It is also in pitchuri thornapple. In large amounts, There are low levels of nicotine in some foods even, like potatoes, tomatoes, and eggplant.
But I've always wondered what will happen after the puritans reach their goal. The tobacco plant is used as a decorative plant. D we make it a schedule 1 drug and start arresting people for stuff that grows in their garden? Already, people grow their own tobacco https://den [dengarden.com]
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I was never a smoker, but I did pick up vaping around 10 years ago. I was driving for Uber/Lyft late at night. I started with coffee or energy drinks but those made me need to pee. There aren't a lot of decent places to stop and use the bathroom at 2am and home was just enough away that if I go there, I'm done for the night. So, I decided I needed a different stimulant - nicotine.
Now, I also have mild ADHD so my brain already responds a bit differently to stimulants. And while, neither caffeine nor nicotine
Re:Kinda (Score:4, Interesting)
So they've renamed addiction to dependence so people don't feel bad about being addicted. Personally, I'd say anything that makes you sick with withdrawal symptoms such as
Results: Of 49 symptom categories identified, the following 10 fulfilled validity criteria: headache, fatigue, decreased energy/activeness, decreased alertness, drowsiness, decreased contentedness, depressed mood, difficulty concentrating, irritability, and foggy/not clearheaded. In addition, flu-like symptoms, nausea/vomiting, and muscle pain/stiffness were judged likely to represent valid symptom categories. In experimental studies, the incidence of headache was 50% and the incidence of clinically significant distress or functional impairment was 13%. Typically, onset of symptoms occurred 12-24 h after abstinence, with peak intensity at 20-51 h, and for a duration of 2-9 days. In general, the incidence or severity of symptoms increased with increases in daily dose; abstinence from doses as low as 100 mg/day produced symptoms. Research is reviewed indicating that expectancies are not a prime determinant of caffeine withdrawal and that avoidance of withdrawal symptoms plays a central role in habitual caffeine consumption.
From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov] the conclusion,
Conclusions: The caffeine-withdrawal syndrome has been well characterized and there is sufficient empirical evidence to warrant inclusion of caffeine withdrawal as a disorder in the DSM and revision of diagnostic criteria in the ICD.
Sure sounds like an addiction that has been dressed up so people keep using the drug.
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Well for fun I always say I am addicted to Espresso. ...
Which I actually are
But I am not addicted to Coffein. I think the idea that you can be addicted to it, is extremely overrated.
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Not at all. Dependence and addiction are different and critically both are understood to induce withdrawal symptoms. The difference is in mental cravings. Dropping caffeine does not induce mental cravings, it induces pain along with the other things you listed during withdrawal. Take a paracetamol and go to bed and after a couple of days you're done.
If it were withdrawal alone that affected the mind then cocaine and heroin would be super trivial to give up since the physical withdrawal symptoms for them are
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Historically various peoples would brew and drink slightly alcoholic beverages like morning, noon & night. The act of brewing, of boiling water, and the residual alcohol sterilized it and kept it sterile rendering it safe to drink. People weren't necessarily getting shitfaced on this stuff, it might be 1% strength and the alcohol per se probably isn't "good to the body" but it is far more preferable to the alternative of shitting yourself inside out until you are dead.
Beyond that, the notion "good to th
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Beyond that, the notion "good to the body" is a bit nebulous since people wouldn't constantly brew and consume alcohol if it didn't have some positive effects on their lives
I don't know if that is an accurate heuristic, since people do some really, really stupid things. Meth is still around, for example.
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Nicotine makes you addicted to nicotine. Nicotine is bad for your health.
The part about nicotine being bad for health is also more false than true:
https://www.scientificamerican... [scientificamerican.com]
The main health problem is smoking. i.e. inhaling combustion products.
Vaping itself is not great, but that's more so for the old school high power "mods" with clouds of vapor.
The nicotine salts style ( like Juul) with much higher concentration of nicotine are less bad (for lungs. though more addictive because of the very quick hit), though still not good.
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Imbalances in NAD+ homeostasis have been linked to aging and various diseases. Nicotine, a metabolite of the NAD+ metabolic pathway, has been found to possess anti-inflammatory and neuroprotective properties, yet the underlying molecular mechanisms remained unknown. Here we find that, independent of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, low-dose nicotine can restore the age-related decline of NAMPT activity through SIRT1 binding and subsequent deacetylation of NAMPT, thus increasing NAD+ synthesis. 18F-FDG PET imaging revealed that nicotine is also capable of efficiently inhibiting glucose hypermetabolism in aging male mice. Additionally, nicotine ameliorated cellular energy metabolism disorders and deferred age-related deterioration and cognitive decline by stimulating neurogenesis, inhibiting neuroinflammation, and protecting organs from oxidative stress and telomere shortening. Collectively, these findings provide evidence for a mechanism by which low-dose nicotine can activate NAD+ salvage pathways and improve age-related symptoms. https://www.nature.com/article... [nature.com]
The inhaler looks pretty low regarding cancer potential https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com... [bmj.com]
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Note that the 2nd study you quote about amputations lists in its introduction the mechanism of damage being carbon monoxide. Again, it's the combustion products that are the main problem.
A combination of carbon monoxide and hemoglobin produces carboxyhemoglobin, which causes a decline in the oxygen transport capacity of blood. The decrease of oxygen transport capacity results in tissue hypoxia in different organs and subsequently leads to arteriospasm (10). Chronic hypoxia is responsible for compensatory erythrocytosis, resulting in increasing blood viscosity and decreasing tissue perfusion (11). These factors are detrimental for the healing of diabetic foot ulcers, which may increase the risk of diabetic foot amputation.
now, it's true that nicotine itself is also a vaso-constrictor, but its not clear whether that's a net problem and if so to what degree.
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The carbon monoxide is not a decay product of nicotine, it's inhaled when smoking because of incomplete combustion. This applies to smoking mint or marijuana or anything else.
The point is that the risk factors of nicotine as a pill, drink or patch (or dip/chew/snus) are different than smoking so research on smokers isn't directly applicable. (and yes i know dip and chew cause mouth and throat cancer)
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Well, we talked about bad blood circulation from nicotine.
You kind of implied it is CO2.
Sorry, bad blood circulation from nicotine does not get away.
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And, as they say: the dose makes the poison. Nicotine as a LD50 of 0.5–1.0 mg/kg. That's not a whole lot.
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The difference is: Caffeine does not make you addicted.
And: Nikotine is the the most addictive drug/chemical we know.
Alcohol is just a matter of habit. If you really are addicted, you can be unaddicted after 3 or 4 days.
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My rule of thumb is: if I feel like I can't "get going" in the morning without caffeine, then it's time to lay off it for a while. (It's likely masking some other problem that is going on and needs to be debugged/fixed).
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(It's likely masking some other problem that is going on and needs to be debugged/fixed).
That is my thinking, too.
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The difference is: Caffeine does not make you addicted.
No, the difference is that one is technically a dependency, and the other is an addiction. They share similarities though which is why I lumped them together, but the difference is whether the craving is physical or psychological.
Nikotine is the the most addictive drug/chemical we know.
Nope. Cocaine, meth, and opioids (usually heroin, but all opioids are up here) are at top of the lists, which are absolutely worse in every way compared to nicotine.
Alcohol is just a matter of habit
Nope. Alcohol can either be a dependency or an addiction (or possibly both, I suppose).
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Nope. Cocaine, meth, and opioids (usually heroin, but all opioids are up here) are at top of the lists, which are absolutely worse in every way compared to nicotine.
That is simply wrong.
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It is not. I verified it all before posting. If you think nicotine is worse than cocaine, meth, or opioids, you are insane and retarded.
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My ex girlfriend worked in that area.
Meth did not exist that time, so no idea (same for crack).
Nicotine is more addictive than opioids and cocaine. You can get addicted after the first cigarette. Heroine or Cocaine you can consume for years without any negative effects, except for your wallet.
If you believe otherwise: it is your problem.
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My ex girlfriend worked in that area.
Meth did not exist that time, so no idea (same for crack).
You are either full of shit or your ex was dumb as a bag of rocks. Methamphetamine was discovered in 1893 so, unless you (or they) are well over 100 years old, it existed. Crack, which is separate from cocaine, has been around since 1981 and I never even mentioned that one. Cocaine has been known about and existed for many hundreds of years.
Nicotine is more addictive than opioids and cocaine
Research says otherwise: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov].
You can get addicted after the first cigarette.
Research suggests that cigarettes companies have included additives that work in concert with nicotine to make
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Methamphetamine, is not what is called "Meth" in our days.
The one stupid is you.
Nicotine is addictive, but pure nicotine when it's alone, it's nowhere near as bad as most people think.
The question was not how bad it is but how addictive it is.
You can get addicted after a single usage.
For most other drugs: this is not the case. Especially not Methamphetamine, which bis not abbreviated "Meth" but MDA or MDMA. Meth is a short form for "Crystal Meth", as far as I understand it contains Methamphetamine. And its
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Methamphetamine, is not what is called "Meth" in our days.
The one stupid is you.
Wrong again, bucko. Meth has always been methamphetamine.
You can get addicted after a single usage. For most other drugs: this is not the case.
Wrong. This is still also true with cocaine, meth, and opioids.
Especially not Methamphetamine, which bis not abbreviated "Meth" but MDA or MDMA.
Wrong. MDMA and MDA are not the same thing, nor have they either ever been referred to as "meth". MDMA, first synthesized in 1912, is known as ecstasy or molly. MDA, first synthesized in 1910, is known as sally or sass.
Your idea that your random googleing makes you smarter than my ex girlfriend
It doesn't take random googling to be smarter than her, or you. It also didn't take go
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No, it's not. And no, it wasn't.
If there is absolutely no downside to something that is addictive, no one would care. You can't tell me the downsides because you don't know. You don't know a damn thing about the drugs in which you speak. You ex didn't know a damn thing. Or maybe she did and you're too stupid to remember and relay it correctly. You can't provide any sources to your information. The only correct thing you said in this entire thread was about marijuana - which you brought up unprompted and it
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My ex girlfriend is a social worker in drug abuse.
She knows more than you do.
And she took every drug on the planet that was in medical conditions: that is part of the drug worker education
Stupid idiot.
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My ex girlfriend is a social worker in drug abuse.
Cool. Doesn't mean anything. She's not a researcher. She's not a chemist. She's not in the lab do studies. She didn't study thousands of different people using controlled amounts of a drug.
She knows more than you do.
About how to do social work maybe.
And she took every drug on the planet that was in medical conditions: that is part of the drug worker education
No, it's not. If she took all of them, she did so on her own. No legitimate job in any developed country on Earth makes you take drugs as part of training/education.
And you still have provided any sources that aren't your ex girlfriend. So, you continue to know nothing about the subject.
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She learned the stuff in "drug addict prevention and drug addict care school".
And you are just an random idiot on the internet: who knows nothing at all about those things.
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She learned the stuff in "drug addict prevention and drug addict care school"
Not a real school, but that is real education and training that social workers go through. That "school" did not require your ex to take drugs. Learn about them, sure, but not take.
And you are just an random idiot on the internet: who knows nothing at all about those things.
More than you and your fake ex-girlfriend, clearly, since I can cite real life sources, and you cannot.
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Sorry, no idea why you are an idiot.
Obviously the school did not force her to use drugs.
But she took all.
The school is an university ... dumbass.
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You said:
And she took every drug on the planet that was in medical conditions: that is part of the drug worker education
Obviously the school did not force her to use drugs. But she took all.
So, she took EVERY drug on her own. Meaning it wasn't part of her education. Either way, taking drugs does not mean you now know scientifically how they work and what they do. Otherwise, the people she's helping are actually more qualified to do her job than she is because they do the drugs even more. Her drug experience means nothing compared to the millions of data points we have from published research.
She learned the stuff in "drug addict prevention and drug addict care school"
The school is an university ... dumbass.
So, what you meant to say was "she completed a drug addict prevention and drug addict care pr
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Nicotine makes you addicted to nicotine.
And caffeine makes you addicted to caffeine. Alcohol makes you addicted to alcohol.
The nicotine/caffeine/whatever is not inherently bad. It is used in bad ways both by those creating the products and those that use them. Nicotine is often combined with many other things that are significantly worse (and sometimes even more addicting than the nicotine by itself).
All you have to do is wait. the end goal is to criminalize tobacco to satisfy the purists.
Prohibition number two will then happen if allowed, then They will move on to their next target, likely caffeine, Then probably antihistamines, since the can mellow people out.Goalpost moving is how this stuff works.
Why not a cartridge standard for vape juice? (Score:2)
I've heard of some vapes which have a high amperage where one can plug jumper cables and get an eight cylinder diesel truck started. With that much watt-hours stored in a vape, why are these considered disposable? Why not have a standard cartridge format, so batteries can be kept and recharged, but vape juice replacing is relatively easy.
Re: Why not a cartridge standard for vape juice? (Score:2)
Because "disposable" == "more profitâ
It's *always* about profit.
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I've heard of some vapes which have a high amperage where one can plug jumper cables and get an eight cylinder diesel truck started.
You heard wrong, that's absolute bollocks. What actually exist are jumper packs containing a number of hefty lithium batteries that can, with a little luck, turn over a car engine a few times. A Diesel? Maybe a small one.
Lead-acid batteries can deliver about 100 amps @ 12 volts. You just can't get that from a little lithium cell from a vape.
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There doesn't seem to be any benefit from having more than a couple of cells maximum. A slightly flat diesel truck battery could be assisted in starting a vehicle with perhaps four or better yet eight calls. (It depends on which, too. Most non-Mercedes inline diesels have relatively low static compression and have a turbo, so they get better efficiency at part throttle if the turbo is sized well but are also easier to start. I've started a Cummins ISC from a single group 27 battery multiple times.
Rechargeab
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I never understood the concept of the disposable vape. It's ultimately cheaper to buy a decent mod, a couple 18650 batteries, a cheap regulated charger, a tank, and some vape juice to refill it with. IIRC you can get a lower end setup for about $50, and you can get about 5 125mL bottles of vape juice for about $100. That amount of fluid will take a long time to use, unless you are walking in a vape cloud everywhere. The replaceable coils for the tanks are anywhere from $3 to $5 or so each, and it's variable
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Disposable vapes are convenient. People are willing to pay for convenience, and in fact do it all the time. If you think hard enough, you can probably think of an occasion when you do as well.
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I've read the problem are other regulations. It was something about reducing the amount of liquid that is allowed to be in a vape by a regulation that lead to the companies manufacturing single-use vapes. So they had a good idea, but the companies reacted to that idea in an unexpected way.
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Well, you made all the electrical engineers cry.
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Fun joke. :)
Jaaaa, communism
Why don't they ban money (Score:1)
Without money you can't buy nicotine containing products. The logic is the same as what they are going with...
Pretty much everything disposable (Score:3)
...is bad
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How are these legal in the first place? (Score:2, Redundant)
So plastic straws are sooo evil, we specifically had to ban them but no other use of plastic only drinking straws?
But a SINGLE-USE battery powered and microchip operated vape is somehow legal???
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Who is "we" and where didn't "we" ban single use plastics along with plastic straws?
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Yes?
There's a continual cat-and-mouse game between the worst excesses of capitalism and the legislature. You would not like the alternative of banning everything until it's approved.
What I don't understand is in my country why the actual fuck vape advertising is almost completely unrestricted when tobacco advertising is banned.
Disposable vapes should be banned everywhere (Score:3)
The first reason to ban them is pollution. These things are just tossed everywhere and contribute to pollution, fires, e-waste and urban blight. A reusable vape isn't a massive extra cost - an IC that hooks the battery up to a USB and a hole of some sort to put vape liquid into a holding vessel and some minor changes to the design. So there is no excuse to tolerate disposables.
The second reason is that disposable vapes are a gateway into addiction. They are very attractive to kids (to buy or thieve) since they're low value items that stores prominently display. If vapes are reusable they'd command a higher price and refills would be separate purchase items. So stores might be more motivated to protect their merchandise and it would disincentivize kids from trying to steal them.
Of course, vapes should be more stringently sold and banned from advertising like tobacco products. There should also be other criteria on reusable vapes to minimize their waste and potential toxicity, e.g. the number of uses they are certified for, banning refill cartridges etc.
How about (Score:2)
Banning sale of anything that is poisonous?
Re: How about (Score:1)
Are they just mad? (Score:2)
Because of Tintin entering the public domain?
Australia Banned Vapes (Score:2)
One time use vapes are banned. Reusable vapes can now only be bought for medicinal use from pharmacies, with some states requiring a doctors prescription.