Reclassification Is Making US Tech Job Losses Look Worse Than They Are (theregister.com) 68
According to consultancy firm Janco, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reclassified several job titles, "leading to a downward adjustment of over 111,000 positions for November and December 2024," The Register reports. This revision contributed to an overall decline of 123,000 IT jobs for the year. However, in reality, IT sector hiring is on the rise, with 11,000 new positions added in January. From the report: "Many CEOs have given CFOs and CIOs the green light to hire IT Pros," Janco CEO Victor Janulaitis said of the first month of 2025. "IT Pros who were unemployed last month found jobs more quickly than was anticipated as CIOs rushed to fill open positions." There's still a 5.7 percent unemployment rate in the IT sector in January, Janco noted, which is greater than the national average of 4 percent - and which could rise further as Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) pushes ahead with federal workforce reductions aimed at streamlining operations.
"Over the past several quarters much of the overall job growth was in the government sectors of the economy," Janulaitis said. "With the new administration that will in all probability not be the case in the future. "The impact of the DOGE initiatives has not been felt as of yet," Janulaitis added. "Economic uncertainty continues to hurt overall IT hiring." Despite this, Janco reported an addition of 11,000 new IT roles in January. Unfortunately, there's also been a surge in IT unemployment over the same period, with the number of jobless IT pros rising to 152,000 in January - an increase of 54,000 in a single month. [...]
Closing out the report, Janco offered a mixed outlook: While IT jobs are expected to grow over the next few years, many white-collar roles could be eliminated. "Over the next five years, the number of individuals employed as IT professionals will increase while many white-collar jobs in the function will be eliminated with the application of AI and LLM to IT," Janco predicted.
"Over the past several quarters much of the overall job growth was in the government sectors of the economy," Janulaitis said. "With the new administration that will in all probability not be the case in the future. "The impact of the DOGE initiatives has not been felt as of yet," Janulaitis added. "Economic uncertainty continues to hurt overall IT hiring." Despite this, Janco reported an addition of 11,000 new IT roles in January. Unfortunately, there's also been a surge in IT unemployment over the same period, with the number of jobless IT pros rising to 152,000 in January - an increase of 54,000 in a single month. [...]
Closing out the report, Janco offered a mixed outlook: While IT jobs are expected to grow over the next few years, many white-collar roles could be eliminated. "Over the next five years, the number of individuals employed as IT professionals will increase while many white-collar jobs in the function will be eliminated with the application of AI and LLM to IT," Janco predicted.
The job losses are pretty bad... (Score:5, Interesting)
As someone who was working at a F500 company, all the people I was with that got laid off last year, pretty much 95% of them are still looking for work. A lot of them went from specialized, high paying roles to mall Santas last year, literally. I was lucky to have found work, because of my skillset, but most people who may not have stuff that is a lifeline are not going to find work.
This isn't just job loss... it is a complete career loss, like 2000, where if someone lost a job in 2000, it was not until 2003-2004 before they found anything, especially after the uncertainty of 9/11. Same with this. First, it was the election keeping hiring from happening, then the changing of the guard in the White House, not all the tariffs and uncertainty of the current administration, all of that is ensuring job reqs are all but nil, and any job reqs are all H-1B contractors, courtesy Biden who had two H-1B lotteries last year, pouring 200,000 people with that visa into the US economy, each of those people forcing an American into the unemployment lines.
What I find insulting is that the press always considers the tech implosion underblown. Of course, the truth is right in front of their noses. In 2022, Indeed offered a ton of jobs. Come 2024, the jobs started having 250 applicants, then 1000+ applicants each, even for a level 1 job. Now, the jobs are not there, other than ghost jobs for H-1Bs or job postings posted purely to make paper-pushers happy with the candidate already selected. The same people in the press who always underplay how shitty the tech ihdustry really is are the same ones who whine about how all art and music is being replaced by AI.
We have not even hit bottom with this recession, especially with tariffs and hostile foreign powers showing their true colors. All of this is always papered over by the press and bogus statistics showing, "jobs r fine, l2work", which are just outright falsehoods. I guess let the mockery continue, but the implosion will hit them too soon enough.
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> had two H-1B lotteries last year, pouring 200,000 people with that visa into the US economy
That's a pet peeve of mine: the visa rate isn't lowered when STEM unemployment goes up. And the stupid job ad games co's play to bypass citizens.
They would just cook the numbers (Score:1)
A federal jobs guarantee is the only practical way out of the mess we got ourselves in here. That and fighting voters suppression because you aren't going to get s
Re: They would just cook the numbers (Score:2)
There isn't a single political party or politician that's serious about reducing immigration.
Probably because it's a very bad idea.
What you should be demanding is a federal jobs guarantee and I mean good jobs. You bring the skills then the government will bring the jobs. If the private sector isn't going to meet demand we will do it ourselves through the instrument of government.
And that's an even worse idea. If you really want it that bad, go to Cuba. Their constitution guarantees the right to a job, you'll love it there.
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Re: They would just cook the numbers (Score:2)
Just how many H1-B visa holders do you think you're competing with?
Honestly speaking, you don't have to worry about an Indian taking your job at the fry station. The teen who lives down the street from you is more likely to do that when he turns 18 because you don't work efficiently enough to justify the wage floor that you rely on, but he does.
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Cap Fiscal Year Total Registrations Selected Registrations
2022 308,613 131,924
2023 483,927 127,600
2024 780,884 188,400**
2025 479,953 135,137***
Holy crap!!! Way more than the other site said (this is an offical government site). Thats over 2 MILLION in the past 4 years. 2 MILLION!!!!! https://www.uscis.gov/working-... [uscis.gov]
Re: They would just cook the numbers (Score:1)
And...I'm guessing you don't understand why reducing immigration would be a bad idea. I already know rsilvergun doesn't; he doesn't even have the capacity to understand, so I didn't bother explaining.
But basically put it this way: Like basically all wealthy nations, our population is in gradual decline. The only reason it doesn't appear that way is because of immigration. Japan is what a country that heavily restricts immigration looks like. They're aging out rapidly, and unless something drastic changes ve
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As someone who was working at a F500 company, all the people I was with that got laid off last year, pretty much 95% of them are still looking for work. A lot of them went from specialized, high paying roles to mall Santas last year, literally. I was lucky to have found work, because of my skillset, but most people who may not have stuff that is a lifeline are not going to find work.
This isn't just job loss... it is a complete career loss, like 2000, where if someone lost a job in 2000, it was not until 2003-2004 before they found anything, especially after the uncertainty of 9/11. Same with this. First, it was the election keeping hiring from happening, then the changing of the guard in the White House, not all the tariffs and uncertainty of the current administration, all of that is ensuring job reqs are all but nil, and any job reqs are all H-1B contractors, courtesy Biden who had two H-1B lotteries last year, pouring 200,000 people with that visa into the US economy, each of those people forcing an American into the unemployment lines.
What I find insulting is that the press always considers the tech implosion underblown. Of course, the truth is right in front of their noses. In 2022, Indeed offered a ton of jobs. Come 2024, the jobs started having 250 applicants, then 1000+ applicants each, even for a level 1 job. Now, the jobs are not there, other than ghost jobs for H-1Bs or job postings posted purely to make paper-pushers happy with the candidate already selected. The same people in the press who always underplay how shitty the tech ihdustry really is are the same ones who whine about how all art and music is being replaced by AI.
We have not even hit bottom with this recession, especially with tariffs and hostile foreign powers showing their true colors. All of this is always papered over by the press and bogus statistics showing, "jobs r fine, l2work", which are just outright falsehoods. I guess let the mockery continue, but the implosion will hit them too soon enough.
Don't worry. Once we get the war started, there'll be plenty of jobs. On the front lines. The drones won't be replacing us there for a while yet. Gotta burn through some bodies first.
Re: The job losses are pretty bad... (Score:2)
Ukraine has just showed that the drones can replace us on the front lines now, with an all drone attack which was very successful. Soldiers came in behind the drones and claimed the area. And they did not even use any swarms.
Re: The job losses are pretty bad... (Score:2)
You can still go volunteer as a vanguard if you'd like, nobody will stop you. Though, as with most things, there's a reason most of us would rather automate it.
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Don't worry. Once we get the war started, there'll be plenty of jobs. On the front lines. The drones won't be replacing us there for a while yet. Gotta burn through some bodies first.
What war did you have in mind? One against Russia?
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Don't worry. Once we get the war started, there'll be plenty of jobs. On the front lines. The drones won't be replacing us there for a while yet. Gotta burn through some bodies first.
What war did you have in mind? One against Russia?
Nah. Trump likes Putin. A Trump-led World War III is more likely to start with the U.S. invading Canada and Mexico, then going on to try to conquer China, only to find every major city in the world glowing a few minutes later.
Re:The job losses are pretty bad... (Score:5, Insightful)
la Presidenta will do no such thing. If we learned anything about him it is that fundamentally he's a pussy, no discernible balls at all. All you need do is look at the targets of his ire; they are invariably weak and cannot effectively fight back. His Maggots are no better, that 's why they beat up on LBGTQ, denigrate women and minorities. That's also why they are gun enthusiasts, they need that gun because without it, they are weak little boys, just like their hero.
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Don't worry. Once we get the war started, there'll be plenty of jobs. On the front lines. The drones won't be replacing us there for a while yet. Gotta burn through some bodies first.
What war did you have in mind? One against Russia?
Christ no. Trump's too busy fellating Putin publicly for that. I'd say it's more likely he'll keep poking the Gaza situation until he riles the entire middle east up. May even manage to bumble his way into riling up a large portion of Europe, if he fucks the Ukraine situation as hard as it sounds like he wants to. I don't think he's looking for war. I think he's under the impression that the entire world fears him and will bow down to his every demand just because his sycophants in the US do. But when he ma
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I sort of share your sentiment, but we haven't even hit the start of a recession yet.
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We may have, they're often identified after the fact.
(I'm not saying we have, or even that we will, just pointing out we're in the conditions where we may be in one without knowing).
Biden doesn't control how many H1Bs (Score:2, Informative)
Don't get me wrong Democrats will cheerfully throw us all under a bus when it comes to immigration. But they're doing it because they're dumb as a blade of fucking grass. They think it helps the economy enough that it's worth the job losses to us you're in the trenches. On paper it should be but because there's so much wealth inequality we don't get any of the benefits from all th
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Your F500 company is not representative of the market as a whole. My company, a large software vendor, is *hiring* many of those who are coming out of companies like yours.
Yes, the big name tech firms or downsizing. The news camps on this because it's dramatic and draws eyeballs. The reality is that there are still plenty of jobs out there. Maybe not jobs that pay California salaries, but for the rest of the country, where $150K is great money for a developer, and where it goes farther than that bigger sala
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> Your F500 company is not representative of the market as a whole. My company, a large software vendor, is *hiring* many of those who are coming out of companies like yours.
If my sleuthing is correct, that would be TCP Software. Glossing over the openings (a), I see 11 openings in the US. Of the 11 domestic openings, 2 are technical roles; 1 Cloud ops and 1 QA. Considering there've been 10,800 tech layoffs this year on top of the 152,000 tech layoffs last year (b), those "many" US openings aren't going
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The crazy thing is there ins't even a "recession". There's a forced cost cutting for stock value, and they are putting off the work needed to produce things in favor of selling things. They're effectively cooking the books and pushing things down the road so that they can reap short term profits.
History (Score:5, Interesting)
Those of us in the job market in the early 1990's remember the STEM slump triggered by the reduction of our military due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. It also impacted non-defense STEM jobs as former military employees applied to those same non-military jobs.
The movie "Falling Down" was partly inspired by that event. It's a cult classic. An unemployed defense contractor having marriage difficulties and frozen in LA traffic finally snaps and goes on a rampage. In one scene he threatens a burger shop because their actual hamburgers don't match their fluffy display pictures. It's a collection of venting over white-collar pet peeves.
DOGE may trigger a similar phenomenon. I won't make a judgement call on the general value of DOGE here, only saying it's playing with recession.
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> I won't make a judgement call on the general value of DOGE here, only saying it's playing with recession.
I don't know which way it will go but those workers may be noncontributing or parasitic on society and may soon be unleashed into creative endeavors.
Especially if business-creatiion regulations are rewound to 1970's levels, as in the case of all the big Silicon Valley legends being born.
The old-school behemoths, not the current crop of Broligarchs.
Re:History (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know which way it will go but those workers may be noncontributing or parasitic on society and may soon be unleashed into creative endeavors.
Only if there's VC funding to be had, which seems pretty unlikely.
Especially if business-creatiion regulations are rewound to 1970's levels, as in the case of all the big Silicon Valley legends being born.
Regulations aren't the problem. The problem is that the wealthy horde their money instead of funneling it into new businesses, and private equity is focused on milking existing companies until they die, rather than on creating something new.
You know it's something I always found funny (Score:4, Interesting)
I certainly have a better schadenfreude although the reasoning parts of my brain know that what I really want is for those conservatives to learn from the experience and demand everyone gets a good job no matter what. In other words the federal jobs guarantee. And I mean real jobs. You bring the skills and the government will bring to work and the pay.
But that didn't happen. Instead those conservatives who lost their jobs got pissed off at Clinton and the Democrats and up to their tits in moral panics. It was absolutely crazy watching them go from not giving a shit about trans kids to believing that 20% of the country is trans girls, seriously a pew research poll found that little nugget.
I Don't know how you reach somebody who gets as much propaganda in their face as Americans do. I think we get more of it than Russia and China combined.
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> gets as much propaganda in their face as Americans do. I think we get more of it than Russia and China combined.
Capitalists are more efficient at generating BS than socialistic communists.
Re:You know it's something I always found funny (Score:4, Interesting)
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Waves hands vaguely around. (Score:4, Insightful)
"Uh, um, let's see, RECLASSIFICATION! Yeah, that's it! That's the ticket! We reclassified them from working to not working! I mean, we reclassified those jobs from available positions to no longer available positions, after laying them all off. Yeah, that's it. See? No worries everybody. You're not being shoved out of the window. We're totally moving the window toward you so it feels like you're voluntarily jumping when it slams into you! SEE! SEE!"
I'm kinda tired of the refrain at this point. There's all these reasons that watching the tech sector jobs disappear doesn't actually mean the tech sector jobs are disappearing, yet, they are still disappearing. I don't care how many layers of curtains you throw over that dumpster fire, it's still burning right through them.
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IT has generally been cyclical, roughly on a decade cycle since at least the video game crash of '82. The late 2000's slump was averted due to the iPhone boom. Can't always get lucky.
IT will be double-whacked if and when there's an AI bust. The investment to profit ratio is too high to sustain, begging for a crash. Everyone is chasing market share like a game of musical chairs.
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> The late 2000's slump was averted due to the iPhone boom. Can't always get lucky.
Clarification: the 2020-ish slump was delayed due to pandemic-related increases in IT, but eventually arrived.
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IT has generally been cyclical, roughly on a decade cycle since at least the video game crash of '82. The late 2000's slump was averted due to the iPhone boom. Can't always get lucky.
IT will be double-whacked if and when there's an AI bust. The investment to profit ratio is too high to sustain, begging for a crash. Everyone is chasing market share like a game of musical chairs.
The interesting part will be if there is an AI bust, will that lead to re-hiring of humans, or will the no-nos mean that all the people displaced because management believed the hype will just be out of luck.
Demand a federal jobs guarantee (Score:2)
If you genuinely believe your skills have value then you shouldn't have any problem having them used.
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Good jobs. Jobs for the skills you have now. If the private sector won't bring the jobs then we'll do it ourselves through the instrument of government. If you genuinely believe your skills have value then you shouldn't have any problem having them used.
I swear I heard that last sentence in a documentary about a brothel.
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"We have a job for you. Pack for the cold, they need help in rural Alaska. No, you don't have a choice, that's where the job is."
See, it wouldn't just be a matter of finding jobs for people who don't have them, that already happens. It would require the federal government to be in charge of ALL employment - it's the only way it could be managed. And the people in charge of employment quickly become th
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Hand waver rebutted by another hand waver.
Big Tech is shrinking, yes. But overall, tech is doing just fine. Big Tech overextended itself in 2020-2022, now it's having to scale back. No, the job market isn't as white-hot as it was in 2021, but there are still plenty of jobs, for those willing to take salaries that make sense in middle America.
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Hand waver rebutted by another hand waver.
Big Tech is shrinking, yes. But overall, tech is doing just fine. Big Tech overextended itself in 2020-2022, now it's having to scale back. No, the job market isn't as white-hot as it was in 2021, but there are still plenty of jobs, for those willing to take salaries that make sense in middle America.
The problem is, salaries that make sense in middle America will barely even cover your rent in the Bay Area, where the median rent in SF is just over $3,000 ($36k per year). Average IT salaries in TN are about $48k per year before taxes. After taxes, including California income tax, that would be $38,716. So even if they feed you every meal during the week and provide electricity to charge your car, that leaves you less than $250 a month to pay for electricity, your cell phone plan, your Internet service
Re:Waves hands vaguely around. (Score:4, Informative)
First, your numbers aren't realistic.
In Nashville:
- The average software engineer salary is $94K. https://www.indeed.com/career/... [indeed.com]
- The average IT Technician salary is $69K. https://www.indeed.com/career/... [indeed.com]
So you're right, these wages won't cut it in the bay area. So move! I did. I live in Houston, and moved 700 miles from home to get there, because that's where I found work, in a place that was affordable. Later in my career, I moved 1,000+ miles, twice, for work.
If you want the Bay Area so badly that you will live in poverty, I don't get it, but it's your choice. But don't blame the whole economy, this is a Bay Area problem, not a US nationwide problem.
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That's great! It's so nice to meet someone who regards everywhere as interchangeable. Just because you have family, friends, hobbies, and places you love doesn't mean you can't leave it all behind and start over! Some people might have difficulty finding new grandparents to help raise their children in a different city, but that's their fault for not thinking ahead. And never mind those idiots that to a job working from home 3 years ago not predicting that their company would now require them to be in the o
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Hey, it's your choice. I made mine.
We raised our children, with grandparents living more than 1,000 miles away. That was harder, yes, but not impossible. We found other forms of community support. But I get it, it's not for everyone.
The point is, this is a Bay Area problem, not a US problem. Don't assume that because in the Bay Area, it's almost impossible to afford a decent house with a nice back yard, that this means it's impossible everywhere in the US because the job market is crap. It's not. There just
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Like I said, Good for you. You get a gold star. Obviously, everybody else's situation was exactly as easy and cut and dried as yours, so it's clearly their fault for talking about the salary problem in their area. And the US is the world standard in fair pay, so the problem is clearly only that area.
I'm so glad there is not some sort of centralized location with a lot of tech jobs and the headquarters of many large tech companies that would contain a significant part of the job market requiring that a signi
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You seem to be a bit sore about all this! I would be too, if a tiny house cost a $1 million. Maybe you should talk to your city leaders, who have imposed strict NIMBY zoning rules that inflate home prices.
Life's not fair, I know. And my own life choices have been anything but clear-cut. But we all have different obstacles to face and challenges to overcome. That's life.
My only point is, don't blame the whole system for your specific problems. If you think you must live in the most expensive place in the cou
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I'm not sore about shit, I don't live there. I just can't stand your bullshit "it's their fault" argument. Don't lecture me about life not being fair while blaming people for it being so and basically telling them to shut up about it.. It's embarrassing how little you seem to understand.
You don't seem to realize that at some point, that's where the jobs are. Someone has to do them, and they are getting fucked over. The logical, rational reasons for taking these jobs are legion and obvious if you actually
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I'm not placing blame. Blame implies that someone did something wrong. People who decide to live in the Bay Area aren't doing anything wrong. They are just making a choice. And that choice comes with consequences, both good and bad. Each person has to make their own choice about where they live and what kind of job they look for. If you want to live in the Bay Area and be a fast food cook, you're going to need roommates. If you're a software developer, and the going wage is $150K, that's not going to be eno
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I'm not placing blame
...long ranting bullshit about how wanting people to do nothing and shut up about a bad situation that you think is their own fault is somehow not blaming them because you first randomly claimed to restrict the word "blame" in a way that the dictionary and common usage does not....
Everybody gets to choose how they want to live.
You are so far into clueless, I'm wasting my time. I'd wish you luck, but it's pretty clear you've already had tons of it and never saw it.
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Consequences for actions? Yes. Blame? No.
When you choose to live in one of the most expensive cities in the nation, it's not going to be easy! Duh!
As for luck, I believe that for the most part, people make their own luck. Life is hard, it does throw curveballs at you. In a financial sense, if you live paycheck to paycheck, the first time you need to pay for car repairs is going to be devastating. If you set money aside each paycheck for emergencies, it won't be such a problem. Everybody needs car repairs, b
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Consequences for actions? Yes. Blame? No.
So you place responsibility with them but you do not blame them, despite those being one of the definitions of the word "blame" in the dictionary. I'm going to stick to English, feel free to use your own language where that's not the case.
Your solution is amazing, clearly no one ever thought of putting money they don't have aside each paycheck. Or using even more of this money they don't have to move! Genius! Clearly they are all buying too much avocado toast or something, and the many thousands of dollars
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It's good to point out systemic problems, even better to do something about them. I have spent the last 9 years training young men in inner city Houston in trade skills and other life skills, helping them get themselves out of poverty. That's an actual solution. What's yours?
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Another Gold Star for you. Nice change of subject. Your charity work is relevant....how? Because it involves the poor in a city that doesn't have the massive salary vs housing costs gap which was the topic?
Your solution to what we've been discussing was "stop talking about it," and "don't live where you live," and "have the money you need appear". Every single example I made of why your suggestions were completely unrealistic, unhelpful, and/or not relevant to vast numbers of people you ignored. You said "E
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You brought up systemic problems, that's why I brought up charity--specifically, the kind of charity that helps people lift themselves out of poverty, because it's how you deal with systemic problems.
- Stop talking about it - Huh?
- Don't live where you live - Yes, this is a real solution. If you can't afford to live where you live, find a place cheaper. This is logical, and even poor people can do this. (Poor people move *all the time*, they are very transient, as a group.)
- Have the money you need appear -
Excuses for poor data management, anyone? (Score:2)
"We can't get valid data, so we'll blame the data."
This is record unemployment in IT (Score:5, Insightful)
While there have been recessions with higher general unemployment, this is the first time in my career I've heard of a 5.7% unemployment rate for IT professionals.
I got a degree because I believed that doing so would give me better job security than just starting a business. Turns out, I should have just started a business instead.
It's got nothing to do with efficiency (Score:1, Offtopic)
He's going to crash the economy, force you to blow through all your savings and sell your house and then he hopes you're going to start spitting out kids out o
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As for birth rates he said "population collapse due to low birth rates is a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming."
And the fix for that is?
The compact has been broken and it will take a long long time to build it up again.
There is no incentive for young males to become fathers, or enter into relationships. And young women have been convinced that they can wait until they are just about in menopause, and use IVF to deal with geriatric pregnancy.
It costs hella to raise a kid today, and if you are a male in a relationship having children, you are considered a pedophile by default. You are considered a physical abu
not really (Score:2)
There's a lot of people at work right now, and several additional friends reported losing their jobs today. They were working for a contractor with the department of justice. Looking back, I can't think of any other time where I've had such a large number of friends out of work.
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The sad thing is there are more still unannounced layoffs coming in tech. I've heard some harsh numbers whispered from people being forced to prepare staff reductions. I feel bad for kids comping out of college; it's as bleak as it's even been for junior roles. This is starting to make the dot-com crash look like it wasn't that bad in hindsight. We're lost over 500,000 tech jobs since 2022, and I'm guessing over half of those jobs won't be coming back. Tech unemployment is 50% higher than non-tech unemploym
More BS (Score:1)
Time for (Score:2)
. If you know someone on an H1-B taking an Americans job, SHAME them!
That's right Musk you F!! Maybe your job should be replaced by an H1-B!
Heck I'm sure we can find a CEO from another country to do your job for less.
submitter has an agenda (Score:2)