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NATO Inks Deal With Palantir For Maven AI System (defensescoop.com) 31

Posted by BeauHD from the changing-battlefield dept.
An anonymous reader quotes a report from DefenseScoop: NATO announced Monday that it has awarded a contract to Palantir to adopt its Maven Smart System for artificial intelligence-enabled battlefield operations. Through the contract, which was finalized March 25, the NATO Communications and Information Agency (NCIA) plans to use a version of the AI system -- Maven Smart System NATO -- to support the transatlantic military organization's Allied Command Operations strategic command. NATO plans to use the system to provide "a common data-enabled warfighting capability to the Alliance, through a wide range of AI applications -- from large language models (LLMs) to generative and machine learning," it said in a release, ultimately enhancing "intelligence fusion and targeting, battlespace awareness and planning, and accelerated decision-making." [...] NATO's Allied Command Operations will begin using Maven within the next 30 days, the organization said Monday, adding that it hopes that using it will accelerate further adoption of emerging AI capabilities. Palantir said the contract "was one of the most expeditious in [its] history, taking only six months from outlining the requirement to acquiring the system."

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  • The bigger question is why Palantir? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dstwins ( 167742 ) on Monday April 14, 2025 @03:45PM (#65305659) Homepage
    I mean basically that's just giving money to Cheato enablers... so why would NATO (as a collection of sovereign nations that are pretty much under "attack" by cheato) essentially invest in a company run by someone that's supporting him?

    That makes little sense.
    • Makes quite a bit of sense if you think about it.

      so why would NATO (as a collection of sovereign nations that are pretty much under "attack" by cheato) essentially invest in a company run by someone that's supporting him.

      Keep reading that until it clicks.

      • The issue with bribing Trump is you can't trust the bribe will last, and with every payment you're making him stronger and he'll squeeze harder the next time.

        • No doubt about it.

        • I do actually agree that at least some of this is "bribing trump", but possibly not directly.

          Hear me out. While some of Trumps nonsense is very much Trump nonsense. A lot of the stuff comes from the creepy company he keeps. The everything at once strategy of the first week was clearly the influence of Steve Banons "flood the zone" strategy, being used to mass implement elements of Project 2025. Then you have a bunch of other stuff where... its not clear it was either Republican nor Trump priorities, but def

          • Good points. I'd add that Trump is always spouting whatever the last guy tells him that he's been talking with. You can see it clearly from the constant U-turns in policy. He's got a revolving door of advisers with personal agendas, and after any major political event it takes about a day or so for him to flip flop. I assume his close advisers have daily appointments with him.
    • The same reason why those same nations keep buying F-35s in large quantities, because they cant build it themselves

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        But in the case of AI, they both can build it themselves and shouldn't want to. An F-35 is real technology that both exists and is not easily reproduced, AI is neither of those things.

        • Then they should halt the sale and invest time and money and build it ....

          • The next 6-12 months will determine the speed of things but EU already had plans for a 6th gen fighter as a successor to the Rafale and Typhoon.

            Future Combat Air System [wikipedia.org]

            Now this probably wasn't as high on the concern list when your good friend and ally the USA has those nice F-35's to buy and you can rely on them for the decades of support. Second guessing that now...

            • They been talking FCAS forver. On pure scale, F-35 has already won. There are over 1000 airframes operating around the globe. It will be the successful platform in the history of military attack airframes. All those airframes make new acquisitions and maintenance so much cheaper than a handful of FCAS. By the time FCAS is relased, US's NGAD from Airforce and Navy will be in the air as they already have flying tech demonstrators lurking in the dark over a US desert somewhere.

              • I agree (though questionable if the F35 is "6th gen", it is not from the perspective of the USA, that's what FA-XX and the AF 6th gen programs are)

                This also just makes the USA look even stupider, that the EU even has to consider this now, it's not efficient, it's not good but we're also making them face that choice for stupid reasons.

                As the man likes to say "this should have never happened"

                • No one knows if the Airforce's NGAD will be able to be exported (banned export like F-22). The Navy's NGAD only applies to the US Navy since they the only one with a catapault carrior. So the FCAS may still make sense if the F-47 will have an export ban.

                  • Well, except for France but CDG may not be long enough, but whos the say. Point is this is type of thing we should be collaborating and working with allies on or least have the option on the table.

                • I agree (though questionable if the F35 is "6th gen", it is not from the perspective of the USA, that's what FA-XX and the AF 6th gen programs are)

                  This also just makes the USA look even stupider, that the EU even has to consider this now, it's not efficient, it's not good but we're also making them face that choice for stupid reasons.

                  As the man likes to say "this should have never happened"

                  I just wanted to chime in and say F-47, and F 47.

        • So if I’m reading your Venn diagram right, AI does not exist, but is easily reproduced? I agree with your sentiment though.
          • Maeven is not just some dumb LLM chatbot; Its multi-model aggregator of satellite data, cyber data intercept, physical infra-red/rador sensor data and god knows what else that is not made public. Even if you can build something like that, where the hell you gonna get the rest of the gear and manpower to feed it. It appears Maeven is a data service that is sucription based, not all these NATO nations have the intelligence gathering on the scale the US has.
    • What nonsense are you spouting? Europe isn't under attack by the US. That's just more doublespeak. Running out of inflammatory words to water down? You are allowed to disagree with your allies and point out their faults.

      • Re: The bigger question is why Palantir? (Score:4, Informative)

        by DamnOregonian ( 963763 ) on Monday April 14, 2025 @04:18PM (#65305757)
        It's not doublespeak at all. Maybe it's time to re-read 1984.
        To describe what the current US administration is doing in Europe, you'd call it something like "politically alignment activities"

        What it really is, is quite a bit worse.
        The European defense, economy, and even political structure is under threat from. Attacks remain verbal for the time being, but after Vance's speech in Greenland, his speech in Munich, Vance's legitimization of AfD, I'd say "attack" is less of an exaggeration than you imply.
        I'd say it's bordering on the start of a Cold War.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by bjoast ( 1310293 )
          Much of what Vance said about Europe was unfortunately highly warranted, and I say that as a European.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Baron_Yam ( 643147 )

        Greenland is part of Europe. Ukraine may not be in NATO or the EU (yet), but it's part of Europe and its territorial integrity in the face of Russian invasion is critical to European peace.

        The US is threatening to take over the former and is doing its best to assist Putin with succeeding at the latter.

        At the same time, the US has more or less advised it no longer feels compelled to respond to Article 5, and is waging economic war against the EU.

        Europe is absolutely under attack by the US. Just because it

        • Greenland is part of Europe.

          No, it's not. And Greenlanders will be the first to tell you that. They are a crown dependent of a European nation- which is different.

          The US is threatening to take over the former and is doing its best to assist Putin with succeeding at the latter.

          Its best? lol. Come on, now.

          Otherwise, I agree with you.

          • Greenland is part of Europe "geopolitically". By politics and proximity. That it is not part of the physical continent is effectively pointless semantics for this discussion.

            And yes, the US is doing its best to give Ukraine to Putin. Even Trump knows that if he ordered the US military to attack Ukraine from the rear and hand it over to Russia afterwards that the blowback would be too intense to handle. That would be instant WWIII. Trump's a mad king with very few people pushing back, but he's not so so

            • Greenland is part of Europe "geopolitically".

              No, it's not. And Greenlanders will be the first to tell you that. They are a crown dependent of a European nation- which is different.

              By politics and proximity.

              Greenland is politically independent, and closer to the US and Canada then Europe by proximity.

              And yes, the US is doing its best to give Ukraine to Putin.

              You're a fucking idiot.

              Even Trump knows that if he ordered the US military to attack Ukraine from the rear and hand it over to Russia afterwards that the blowback would be too intense to handle.

              I don't think Trump gives a lot of fucks about blowback intensity before decisions are made.
              Beyond that, there are far easier ways to give Ukraine over to Russia.
              Your political hyperbole here isn't helpful.

              That would be instant WWIII.

              lolwut?
              In this hypothetical world, you call a US-b

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