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AI-generated Music Accounts For 18% of All Tracks Uploaded To Deezer (reuters.com) 85

Posted by msmash from the state-of-affairs dept.
About 18% of songs uploaded to Deezer are fully generated by AI, the French streaming platform said on Wednesday, underscoring the technology's growing use amid copyright risks and concerns about fair payouts to artists. From a report: Deezer said more than 20,000 AI-generated tracks are uploaded on its platform each day, which is nearly twice the number reported four months ago. "AI-generated content continues to flood streaming platforms like Deezer and we see no sign of it slowing down," said Aurelien Herault, the company's innovation chief.

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AI-generated Music Accounts For 18% of All Tracks Uploaded To Deezer

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  • There's a reason not to listen to the music site I have never heard of.
    • Why do we think anyone is listening to it all? This article shows that the platform clearly allows folks to generate and monetize large swarms of fake accounts. They do not reflect human demand.

      As far as I can tell the only profitable use of AI products is too create, manage and monetize swarms of fake accounts. And that's fraud.

      This platform seems to be fake. A scammer like Peter Thiel can inflate a platform with 10,000 users to look like a 100,000 without making it look weird but now it seems like folks

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Sique ( 173459 )
        You draw very strange conclusions.

        The article just mentions that those tracks are uploaded. This does not mean that they are uploaded via fake accounts, nor that they are offered to any listeners. To the contrary, the article mentions that Deezer offers to filter out any AI generated songs from your recommendations. To me, this is nothing more than reporting the fact that it is easy to generate a track via AI and then upload it to a site, and that people are using it. Everything else is just projection fr

      • Why do we think anyone is listening to it all? This article shows that the platform clearly allows folks to generate and monetize large swarms of fake accounts. They do not reflect human demand. As far as I can tell the only profitable use of AI products is too create, manage and monetize swarms of fake accounts. And that's fraud. This platform seems to be fake. A scammer like Peter Thiel can inflate a platform with 10,000 users to look like a 100,000 without making it look weird but now it seems like folks are running the same scam to inflate a couple hundreds users to look like a couple millions and it leads to these platforms and fandoms that have have a massive digital following but presence in the real world.

        If they can figure out a way to keep it monetized, what the hell do the platforms care if it's "real" or "fake?" This is the problem with basing an entire morality system on greed. These companies have figured out how to build "value" without providing anything to actual people. On the bright side, if they can bot up the entire internet, to the point where humans find no more use for it, maybe we can disengage the masses from the social media that's driving so many into hate-cults and get back to treating e

        • People listen to music because it is something that a person created. Even electronic music. Once it is created by a computer, there is no point because there is no chance of any human element being in it.

          • People listen to music because it is something that a person created.

            I am more omnivorous, I usually listen to music because I like it. I would probably listen to something AI degenerated if it was good in my opinion, although I haven't yet come across such a thing.

            • You are looking for the human element. That's why you don't like any of it. Music is about one person portraying mood/emotions to another.

              • It does have a human element, namely the one that is prompting the AI. I have tried to generate a song with udio. Took me a couple of days of prompting for 30 second pieces and rejecting everything i didn't like. The end result was a 12 minute long prog metal song decent enough for planning to generate a whole concept album.

              • I'm looking for something that agrees with my ear.

                I also like to open my window at about 4AM so that I get the morning songs of the birds, definitely not looking for a "human element" there.

                • 1. Let lots of users upload any music they created or created with an AI helper
                  2. Run an AI based evaluator to rank each song for quality, type, bpm, and guess as to AI generation level
                  3. Use human listening data to get play counts for all songs
                  4. Use the results from 2 and 3 to build a list of likely AI generated music which is above junk
                  5. Sell that data, metadata to AI companies
                  6. Sell the listening data UI click stream to AI companies

                  As one /. commenter said elsewhere in this article's thread, generate

                  • I really have no opinion on this, nor understand the need for it. If you mean it as sarcasm, I don't get it either.

                    If there are some sounds I like, and if it happens to be of the "music" variety, I go to a concert to hear it. If I like it enough, I can usually whistle or play it later.

                    I don't need turks, AI helpers, advisors, critics and so on. Thankfully, the concert scene is rich, neverending and full of stuff to choose from.

                    I'm still failing to see the need for degenerative "AI", except in the genre of f

                    • Essentially, a music streaming service allowing user created music uploads can use its own user listening habits data to identify AI generated music which is tolerable to 25% of listeners.

                      I agree on the live music and musicians recording without using AI being better.

                      Then again, likely in the minority here, since an army of 12-14 year old girls made Taylor Swift into a billionaire.

                    • Ah, I get it now, and I agree that the "mechanical turk" direction is probably the near-term trend for the future.

                      Also, yes, I'm behind the times and I haven't had "streaming" subscriptions of any kind.

          • People listen to music because it is something that a person created.

            False.

            I listen to music all day in my shop. I listen to it because it is inoffensive background noise. It drowns out the sounds of people talking and shopping. It makes people comfortable making noise while they shop, which leads to them shopping longer and buying more.

            We all have different reasons to do the things we do. Your reasons are not universal.

            • Interesting experiment... Try playing AI music in your store exclusively and see if it still has the same effect.

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by allo ( 1728082 )

                Out of curiousity: What do you think about noise generators for the same thing? From white noise to artificial rain there are a lot of things that can be generated artificially without AI for such purposes. Youtube is full of it, look for videos that should provide background sounds (e.g. for concentration when programming).

              • There used to be something called elevator music. It was non-offensive "canned" music played in elevators and structured so no one stopped to listen while getting off. It was also a pejorative attached to similarly non-de-script commercial music.

            • For stores, there is a long history of selecting music to encourage sales and/or get customers in and out of the store more quickly.

              - https://www.retailcustomerexpe... [retailcust...rience.com]
              - https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]
              - There are science research studies on this as well.
              - Things about alcohol sales in bars and music - https://www.sciencedaily.com/r... [sciencedaily.com]
              - For western and country music (both kinds of music), slower songs help more alcohol be sold.
              - For retail stores, jarring discordant music is linked to making impulse purchas

          • People listen to music because it is something that a person created.

            I think that may BE SOME people. Most people listen to music simply because they want to be entertained.

            Personally, that is the case for me. I couldn't care less as to the source of music, if it is something I like listening to, that's all that matters.

            Most music sucks anyway.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by allo ( 1728082 )

            I listen to music, because I like the music. Why is there no point in listening to it, given it is good?
            What is the "human element" you're talking about and can I hear it and can't an AI (some day) generate it?
            Please don't come with arguments like "It lacks soul", I don't argue with religion here.

            • It depends on whether you are talking about electronic music or real instruments. When a human plays a real instrument, no note or beat is ever exactly the same. In electronic music, a set of sounds are designed to have exactly the right mood and so that they work together.

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by allo ( 1728082 )

                My post is about generators that would cover these aspects. I am happy to discuss the flaws of current tools and maybe why they may not improve much, but I don't believe things like hearing if there is "human intent" behind a song or not, given an AI model advanced enough.
                And while I have some favorite songs, some for their melody and others for their text, I consume a lot of music only for having it play in the background.

                The point where I still believe in is not that AI can't randomize beats, but that I t

                • People have five senses. They have emotions that come from experiencing the world through these senses. These emotions give rise to thoughts and opinions about things happening in the world. Seeing the bird is but a small part of the creation. All of life's experiences before seeing the bird is what makes art.

                  • Re: (Score:2)

                    by allo ( 1728082 )

                    "People have five senses."

                    Yes, this is my point. You're getting a lot of input (most of it "noise") at any moment, a neural network is currently only getting your prompt. If the prompt is low entropy, the output is low entropy.

                    "They have emotions that come from experiencing the world through these senses."
                    "All of life's experiences before seeing the bird is what makes art."

                    These are things that can actually be trained inside a model. If you see the emotional response to the bird as brain chemistry, then the

    • We need to put a stop to this. Ad blockers are necessary to stop malware from the ad sites.

      Does anybody know how to circumvent the blockade? Or is the internet truly broken?

    • There's a reason not to listen to the music site I have never heard of.

      Maybe we can get OpenAI to listen to it for us.

  • I remember Deezer launched a tool to detect and remove AI generated music earlier this year.

  • How long before humans are forced into the forest, where we'll have no choice but to forage for berries and fight one another for the most coveted pine cone?

    I'm both excited and amazed at what AI is doing, but equally worried about the human aspect being removed. Hopefully AI will only be an augment and never a replacement, and that we as humans will always just prefer the human derived stuff.
    • Like landscapes in open-world games, is there an AI-powered speaker/app that continuously creates procedurally generated music? I guess it's just Deezer with the AI filter inverted.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by allo ( 1728082 )

      AI is not autonomous. If you don't click that button, the AI does nothing. So if someone forces you into the forest, then it's other humans using the AI to force you.

  • I am unclear why it matters how the music was made. If they are performing a copyrighted song, then they should be paying the copyright holder. But virtually every musician will talk about the artists who "influenced" them. How is AI different? This seems like a contrived distinction to create "intellectual property rights" where none have existed. It used to be musicians made money by performing music. Now musicians perform music to enhance the value of their intellectual property. And a lot of the "musici

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by mckwant ( 65143 )

      From a consumption standpoint, you're right, it doesn't matter how it gets recorded. Essentially, this stage is Chris Rock yelling "NOBODY GIVES A F#@%" at Jack White for using 1970s analog technology to record his tracks.

      The problem's on the production end. It used to be that to record something, at least two people had to like it, the artist, and the engineer. With AI, nobody has to to listen to the tracks being uploaded, they're simply created and posted, and the market/audience gets to figure it out.

      • it's basically the same business model as spam.

        I see your point, but it would seem that is a problem for distributors no matter how the music is produced.

        Does the creator even bother to have an artistic vision for their music, instead relying on profit and loss statements to determine their next set of tracks?

        Doesn't that define the commercial music business now? Professional music is largely created and distributed by corporations based on marketing data.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by allo ( 1728082 )

        I think the "spam" problem hits the nail on its head for many people not liking AI. But this is a spam problem and not an AI problem. Producing media got recently a lot easier, but the sites where media are published do not have good tools to curate or filter (like in filtering the view, not in removing) the content.
        This means a lot of users see both the "I clicked a button and here are my 10 results" images that look all alike (what's wanted, but one should then pick the 1 best image and not all) and the l

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by KGIII ( 973947 )

      This seems like a contrived distinction to create "intellectual property rights" where none have existed.

      As someone who has (albeit not for a long time) been a professional musician (that is paid for my work, both performing and as a session musician to help pay for school), I agree entirely.

      I make a few assumptions here. The biggest assumption is that at least some people enjoy the music, though that isn't a requirement to be classified as music. Still, I make that assumption. In the many instances of AI-generated music, at least some tracks will have a following of people who appreciate it.

      And, yeah, that's

  • One web3 project, the kor protocol is a music platform in which you can AI generate your songs. But the interesting part is that the stems you purchase are marked in each song which then can be tracked. As the songs are sold and traded, royalties will automatically paid back to the original stem producers.

    • royalties will automatically paid back to the original stem producers.

      Wait, AI created music needs previously created tracks? It doesn't just synthesize everything? (sorry, I don't really know much about AI music. But if it needs samples of previously recorded tracks, it's future is pretty shaky)

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by allo ( 1728082 )

        I was about to stop reading at web3 and I don't really know his programs, but the open source ones provide full generation from learned features and using 30 seconds of a song to guide the generation. There are already versions that allow to extend AI generated tracks but I do not know if that works for existing music. In general you get the better results from generating completely new stuff.

  • Benn Jordan (maybe best known as The Flashbulb) has been working on adversarial tools to poison your music files for AI.

    https://youtu.be/xMYm2d9bmEA?f... [youtu.be]

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by allo ( 1728082 )

      Will it work as good as Glaze?

      "Without any robustness intervention, 30% of the images generated with our off-the-shelf finetuning are rated as better than the baseline results using only unprotected images. This contrasts with Glaze’s original evaluation, which claimed a success rate of at most 10% for robust mimicry."
      https://arxiv.org/pdf/2406.120... [arxiv.org]

      • It already appears to work better than that. I don't have actual numbers, but watch the video; he's able to throw the tech at just about anything and it seems to seriously impact the generated result.

        He also has been fiddling with tools that destroy the audio recorded when played in the area, with tools that can be aimed at people to stop them from being able to form words, and with AI detection algorithms that currently appear to have 100% accuracy in this early stage.

        If you are at all interested in the ov

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by allo ( 1728082 )

          Hmm, I will have a look.

          I tried Glaze myself with the usual settings to train stable diffusion LoRA and the glazed example images from their homepage and it had zero effect. The cited paper came out later and they also write that they first had to customize their training setup before they got Glaze working to try to circumvent it.
          I think it is hard to reproduce Nightshade effects without training a larger model, but their algorithm targets image to caption networks and since Nightshade came out there were

  • It can get an account and just sit there jamming out to the AI generated tunes...

  • Yes, this sucks, but... (Score:3)

    by MpVpRb ( 1423381 ) on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:09PM (#65310479)

    ...it's kinda similar to a lot of pop music.
    Pop music is not about creativity or talent, it's an artless, industrial product, created by teams of mercenaries for the sole purpose of making money.
    They make it sound familiar and extremely similar to what's already popular, but just barely different enough to sound "new" and "fresh".
    They are doing exactly what an AI does.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by mjwx ( 966435 )

      ...it's kinda similar to a lot of pop music.
      Pop music is not about creativity or talent, it's an artless, industrial product, created by teams of mercenaries for the sole purpose of making money.
      They make it sound familiar and extremely similar to what's already popular, but just barely different enough to sound "new" and "fresh".
      They are doing exactly what an AI does.

      Yep, if the average listener can't tell the difference between AI and human generated content then music has already died.

      Realistically it did in 1997 with the introduction of Autotune. No longer did you even need to sing to be able to be a pop star... now almost all of them are so auto-tuned you they literally cannot reproduce anything like what their recorded music sounds like. This is the holy grail for record companies as they literally get to own the sound and there is nothing the so-called "artist"

  • AI music can never be emotive, but that is what makes music.
  • But a concatenation of word salad influencing the AI engine to create a song similar to the songs that it was trained on. There cannot be any true originality. It can only deviate so far from it's training. It would be the same as any current day artist sampling and tweaking any number of songs in an attempt to create something new and that is usually frowned upon.
  • I'm both a die hard technologist and a semi professional musician. This matters to me, but I'm clear about my biases.
    I want to frame the issue. The issue is not that AI is/will be used to create music. It is. The issue is not that AI doesn't have emotions. It doesn't. The issue isn't that it isn't made by humans. It isn't.

    The issue is that, in all fields of creation, journalism, writing, visual arts, commercial music, THE ENTIRE INTERNET, is as others have pointed out, is no longer full of people. It's just

  • Maybe we can have some AI customers to listen to AI generated music.

    I wonder if the AI generators have AI agents negotiating on their behalf.

  • Never heard of it.

  • What's Deezer?

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