US Agency To Ease Self-Driving Vehicle Deployment Hurdles, Retain Reporting Rules 38
The Trump administration introduced a new framework to expedite self-driving vehicle deployment by reducing regulatory hurdles, while maintaining mandatory safety incident reporting. NHTSA is also expanding its exemption program, allowing domestically produced autonomous vehicles lacking traditional safety controls to operate on U.S. roads. Reuters reports: The Trump administration said Thursday it aims to speed up the deployment of self-driving vehicles but will maintain rules requiring reporting of safety incidents involving advanced vehicles. U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy on Thursday released a new framework to boost autonomous vehicles. "This administration understands that we're in a race with China to out-innovate, and the stakes couldn't be higher," Duffy said. "Our new framework will slash red tape."
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it will expand a program to exempt some self-driving vehicles from all safety requirements and will streamline but continue its requirement that vehicles equipped with certain advanced driver assistance systems or self-driving systems report safety incidents. NHTSA is expanding its Automated Vehicle Exemption Program to now include domestically produced vehicles that will allow companies to operate non-compliant imported vehicles on U.S. roads. It is currently only open to foreign assembled models.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it will expand a program to exempt some self-driving vehicles from all safety requirements and will streamline but continue its requirement that vehicles equipped with certain advanced driver assistance systems or self-driving systems report safety incidents. NHTSA is expanding its Automated Vehicle Exemption Program to now include domestically produced vehicles that will allow companies to operate non-compliant imported vehicles on U.S. roads. It is currently only open to foreign assembled models.
Yea, the deaths are just collateral damage, well (Score:3)
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Sorry, I know this is offtopic, but it kind of seems weird that your handle is Oldgraybeard, but it's only about twelve years old.
Cui bono? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Teslas are Level 2, thus exempt. Waymo are Level 4 and thus reporting is compulsory.
Conclusions are left as an exercise for the reader.
Too bad a lot of people don't like exercise. :-)
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How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Elona after all she has been through? She pocketed all your tax dollars and she almost went through a bankruptsy. She has twenty fucking kids with names she can't pronounce. Her spouses turned out to be users, pillow shitters.
And now she’s going through a battle with Deep State.
All you people care about is comments and making karma off of her. She’s a human!
What you don’t realize is that Elona is making you all this karma and all you do is writ
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Tesla is starting it's cab service. I'm sure this is related.
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No no no no no, they are "maintaining mandatory safety incident reporting". Don't concern yourself with details or fine print citizen. That would be un-American.
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Yep. And for his next trick, watch Tesla roll out a fleet of robo taxis in June (as promised) that seems to perform better than Waymo and don't need lidar so are much cheaper.
We will then hear how these will be rolled out en-mass 'next year'.
The vehicles will just be teleoperated, but if anyone pulls them up on this they will point out that Waymo also has remote safety drivers. Nobody will be able to tell how much the vehicles are being driven by AI vs the teleoperator, so this is where the 'magic' will hap
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The really worrying part is that people don't seem to understand the limitations of the Tesla system at all. A moderately famous YouTuber called The 8 Bit Guy just posted a video where he shows his Tesla driving a whole route on the freeway and through downtown by itself, proclaiming it to be some sort of miracle technology... But that just illustrates how dangerous it is.
It's level 2, it has to be constantly monitored. He claimed it uses a camera to make sure you are paying attention, but also showed video
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Let us not forget the recent test where a Tesla vehicle slammed into a fake wall [futurism.com], ala Wile E. Coyote [youtube.com].
What is interesting to note is this comment:
In a separate post seemingly responding to the allegations, Rober shared the "raw footage of my Tesla going through the wall."
"Not sure why it disengages 17 frames before hitting the wall but my feet weren’t touching the brake or gas," he added.
In other words, is this really a smoking gun — or did the Autopilot disengage by itself, sending the Tesla plowing right through the wall while under "human" control?
As Electrek points out, Autopilot has a well-documented tendency to disengage right before a crash. Regulators have previously found that the advanced driver assistance software shuts off a fraction of a second before making impact.
It's a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.
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The 8 Bit Guy does address that in his video, by pointing out that the car was on Autopilot, not Full Self Driving, in that test. A subtle distinction perhaps, and questionable how much difference it should make to forward collision detection.
Someone else repeated the test with FSD and it seems to depend on the version you have. Older cars with V3 hardware will crash into it, newer ones with V4 will stop.
It's a well known issue with Tesla systems. Certain things confuse the vision system, and they have trie
Re: Cui bono? (Score:2)
Openpilot is also level 2. You know what else is level 2 and damn good at driving? Kia/Hyundai. Another is Ford (copilot360) and GM (blue cruise). Yeah this is a conspiracy to only support Tesla. /s
As an open pilot developer this is awesome and wonderful news. My autonomous vehicle is already legally compliant in my state, now I am unburdened from federal regulatory red tape when someone crashes into my (safe driving) vehicle
But yeah F Tesla amirite?
Welcome to Muskland (Score:1)
Boycott Tesla.
So, on the one hand, Musk got what he wanted (Score:2)
But, on the other hand, there's a good chance he's destroyed Tesla. I wonder how the shareholders feel about that $50 billion payout now?
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Since it is mostly other people's money shoveled onto musk by friendly fund managers, everyone's very happy.
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But, on the other hand, there's a good chance he's destroyed Tesla. I wonder how the shareholders feel about that $50 billion payout now?
The weakening of robotaxi rules is a favor to Musk. Of course, Tesla still has to deliver on its robotaxi vision. In a way, Musk's bravado touting Tesla self-driving has gotten a free pass in the last decade, as the Tesla accidents and deaths aren't so well known by most people. If Tesla robotaxis are rolled out in large numbers, it will be put up or shut up time for Tesla.
Musk is a gambler, and this will be potentially a make or break moment for Tesla. In the last quarter, core Tesla lost money, since
This is just from musk (Score:5, Informative)
To be honest though his real pivot isn't to self-driving cars, it's too privatizing vast amounts of government work so he can personally profit off of it. I can't even imagine what he's going to do in 2028 because if a Democrat ever gets back in the White House he's basically finished. They will pull his SpaceX contracts because they are a national security risk after he interfered in the Ukraine war (I don't give a shit what you think about that war a private citizen interfering in it is literally a crime), if it wasn't for government subsidies Tesla would have lost 200 million last quarter, and everything else he has is a money loser. Hell he just had to bail out Twitter with a bunch of shareholder money from another company he formed for AI shit. Anyone else would be in jail for that.
The point being like Trump he's backed himself into a corner and the only way out is to take over all of American politics and all of the taxpayer money. Your taxpayer money if you're american.
But hey he's iron Man right? Or Tony Stark I don't know I haven't really read marvel comics in a while and even when I did I was more of an x-men/x-force guy. X-cutioner's song FTW.
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Even a Democrat administration can't pull SpaceX's contracts. Like it or lump it, we are 100% dependent on SpaceX for nearly all of NASA's current mission priorities in the near future. ULA is still around of course and doing the old-school military-industrial-complex -sort of things with certain NASA and military contracts. Although the Military is now buying SpaceX flights. SpaceX is the only ride to the space station, and they are the only company with any hope of getting anyone back to the moon (for
Meh, it's all NASA tech (Score:1)
SpaceX's biggest achievement (Score:3)
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Even a Democrat administration can't pull SpaceX's contracts.
They can if they were doled out without a proper bid process. Especially if ordered by a judge after SpaceX loses a lawsuit brought by its competitors over a dodgy bid process rife with conflicts of interest.
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They will pull his SpaceX contracts because they are a national security risk after he interfered in the Ukraine war
No they won't. They had the chance to do this already and didn't. Also there's little viable alternative, also SpaceX is an American company so the optics look good as well.
Biden was in the process (Score:2)
But make no mistake if Trump had not won that election SpaceX would be on the way out right now. Not because of any particular political bias, the Democrats aren't cutthroat enough for th
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Ultimately, SpaceX exists because of a wave of "new space" companies that emerged with various kinds of promotional support from the government and others (remember the X prize?). We used to talk about them all the time on Slashdot until SpaceX emerged as the "winner". They were, of course, just supposed to be one of several, but it mostly has not worked out that way. The limited market with high barriers to entry and a limited customer base tends toward "natural monopoly".
However, the largest customers for
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To be honest though his real pivot isn't to self-driving cars, it's too privatizing vast amounts of government work so he can personally profit off of it.
I really don't think money is the motivating factor for him. If it was, it would be way easier to understand the guy. If he cared about money he wouldn't have completely tanked Tesla sales with his stupid behaviour. No, the trouble is that he wants power and to smash up a system he doesn't like - he is ideologically driven by a weird ideology. Wanting to change the system is not necessarily a bad thing (there are many problems with our current system) but the guy is ignorant. When he learnt that there is no
You're assuming there's anything else he could do (Score:2)
Those subsidies are going to dry up as other car manufacturers enter the EV market and there's no longer any excuse or reason to subsidize electric cars. And those other manufacturers build much much better cars than Tesla does.
We've seen what it looks like when musk tries to r
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But hey he's iron Man right? Or Tony Stark I don't know I haven't really read marvel comics in a while
In a way, he very much is, actually. Minus the actual technical genius of course, and the redeeming features. Basically, Tony Stark, especially in the MCU, is a narcissistic, arrogant, anti-authoritarian authoritarian (bristles at any authority held over him, but bristles at anyone who opposes authority when he is the authority or is agreement with it), substance abusing, amoral moralizer who has the redeeming feature that he will tend to pivot to doing the right thing after he's done the wrong thing. The M
Progress for someone anyway. (Score:2)
Sounds like Elon (via DOGE) didn't get to ditch everything or everyone he wanted to at the NHTSA -- (or the FAA, CFPB, ...)
Can't wait for that "Prioritize occupant / Prioritize pedestrian" safety setting from Upload [wikipedia.org] ...
That Amazon Series Upload May Have The Most Plausible Portrayal Of Future Autonomous Vehicles Yet [jalopnik.com]
I can see it now (Score:3)
You there! You with the badly mangled leg and the broken face that will never look quite right again! You have two choices - you can voluntarily drop your lawsuit against Tesla and STFU about your ruined life, or we can disappear you to El Salvador where your ruined life will be even more ruined! But at least it will be shorter in a Salvadoran concentration camp...
Anybody reading this who thinks I'm being hyperbolic, either hasn't been paying attention or is in complete denial. This is the new reality in America.
Re: I can see it now (Score:2)
Road Rules El Salvador!
all takes is Luigi Mangione to get jury nullificat (Score:2)
all takes is Luigi Mangione to get jury nullification and then you may see real change.
LIke that person who has an lawsuit well just go to the tesla dealer ship and take any car you want and take it so some chop shop and then walk when the jury says not guilty.
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I read about a new argument being made by government lawyers in the US, in relation to the Maine lawsuit against them cutting school funding over support for trans children's participation in sports and use of the appropriate bathroom.
Essentially the government argued that if you sue the government, you should have to post a bond to cover all the government's losses in case you lose. So if they want to demolish your house and build a freeway, you can only challenge it if you can afford a bond to cover the c
Autonomous driving is essential (Score:1)
No surprise (Score:2)
Anything drump related - ill expand to us regulation - they like water things down. make it easy who care who dies as long as big companies get to make money quickly