Trump Threatens 100% Tariff On Foreign-Made Films (pbs.org) 218
Donald Trump has announced plans to impose a 100% tariff on all foreign-made films, citing national security concerns and accusing other countries of luring U.S. film production abroad with incentives. PBS reports: "The Movie Industry in America is DYING a very fast death," he wrote [on his Truth Social platform], complaining that other countries "are offering all sorts of incentives to draw" filmmakers and studios away from the U.S. "This is a concerted effort by other Nations and, therefore, a National Security threat. It is, in addition to everything else, messaging and propaganda!"
It wasn't immediately clear how any such tariff on international productions could be implemented. It's common for both large and small films to include production in the U.S. and in other countries. Big-budget movies like the upcoming "Mission: Impossible -- The Final Reckoning," for instance, are shot around the world.
Incentive programs for years have influenced where movies are shot, increasingly driving film production out of California and to other states and countries with favorable tax incentives, like Canada and the United Kingdom. Yet Trump's tariffs are designed to lead consumers toward American products. And in movie theaters, American-produced movies overwhelming dominate the domestic marketplace. "Other nations have been stealing the movie-making capabilities from the United States," Trump told reporters at the White House on Sunday night after returning from a weekend in Florida. "If they're not willing to make a movie inside the United States we should have a tariff on movies that come in."
It wasn't immediately clear how any such tariff on international productions could be implemented. It's common for both large and small films to include production in the U.S. and in other countries. Big-budget movies like the upcoming "Mission: Impossible -- The Final Reckoning," for instance, are shot around the world.
Incentive programs for years have influenced where movies are shot, increasingly driving film production out of California and to other states and countries with favorable tax incentives, like Canada and the United Kingdom. Yet Trump's tariffs are designed to lead consumers toward American products. And in movie theaters, American-produced movies overwhelming dominate the domestic marketplace. "Other nations have been stealing the movie-making capabilities from the United States," Trump told reporters at the White House on Sunday night after returning from a weekend in Florida. "If they're not willing to make a movie inside the United States we should have a tariff on movies that come in."
Get ready for rambo reboots (Score:2, Funny)
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The zero master is at it again. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Like most his tariffs. I wonder if he'll back out the last second right before fit hits the shan, or Queeg the economy?
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I've seen some stuff about him backing off this one already, but if I just think about this critically it seems not in line with his other policies, and therefore almost certainly was only an announcement intended to create chaos.
My reasoning is that he hates California, which oh yeah just got to the point where it would be the fourth largest economy in the world on its own, and bringing film production back to the USA largely means bringing it back to Hollywood at this time because that's where they're rea
Re:The zero master is at it again. (Score:5, Informative)
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Re: The zero master is at it again. (Score:2)
A metric shitton of "American" movies are shot on locations in Eastern Europe and have zero action "in Europe" in them. Cheaper to emulate the US there even if one must stitch the skyline afterwards.
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Re:The zero master is at it again. (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm the sure the idea is to be able to control the content since you can't have radical ideas like life liberty and the pursuit of happiness getting in the way of theirs.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what behind it. Trump appears to be following the historical pattern of other dictators, putting his heavy hand on everything, including the arts. Note his takeover of the Kennedy Center, for example.
National Security? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh yeah, it'd be totally catastrophic if "Sausage Party 3" were made outside the USA. That should set the F-35s scrambling!
Re:National Security? (Score:5, Insightful)
"National security" is something he has to put in there.
Trump is allowed to use tariffs when there's a "National security" risk. Otherwise there needs to be laws and other tedious stuff nobody cares about any more.
It was the reason for the steel tariffs.
The whole world is cheating us "national security" reciprocal tariffs.
etc
It's just a box that needs to be checked.
We're being invaded by X. This loophole lets us deport people to X.
It's for "national security". This lets me do a tariff.
National Security? Sure, foreign propaganda. (Score:2)
Trump is allowed to use tariffs when there's a "National security" risk.
No problem, label the film foreign propaganda.
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And what do we do about the national security risk from domestic propaganda? Aka Fox "News."
As you noted. Fox and MSNBC are domestic not foreign.
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Seriously, lately movies have been bombing so bad they are a threat to national security.
Trump Threatens 100% Tariff .... (Score:5, Funny)
Trump Threatens 100% Tariff on Foreign Air
For too long foreign air has blown unhindered and un-tarrifed over the borders of the USA. THIS CANNOT CONTINUE. From now on there will be a 100% tariff or foreign air to protect AMERICAN WIND-BAGS from UNFAIR COMPETITION from FOREIGN AIR. From now on there will only be AMERICAN AIR FROM AMERICAN WIND-BAGS!!! USA!! USA!! MAGA!!! MAGA!!!
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You joke, but the only reason air isn't taxed is they can't at the moment.
Anything he doesn't agree with is a "threat" (Score:3)
Emergency Powers. If it's a "threat" to the country, he can bypass the correct channels. Simple as that.
Didn't this all start off as a national emergency regarding fentanyl? How did it turn into tariffs for all, and various other policies that bypassed the rest of the goverment's checks and balances - and an attack on the constitution?
Re:Anything he doesn't agree with is a "threat" (Score:5, Funny)
Well yes, approximately 0.1% comes from Canada, which according to the last White House press briefing will kill over 4 billion Americans.
Serious stuff.
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Emergency Powers. If it's a "threat" to the country, he can bypass the correct channels. Simple as that.
Didn't this all start off as a national emergency regarding fentanyl? How did it turn into tariffs for all, and various other policies that bypassed the rest of the goverment's checks and balances - and an attack on the constitution?
How is Trump able to twist the laws to rule by edict? Because enough judges are willing to either approve his end-arounds or at least delay decisions. That and that Trump just ignores the judicial decisions he doesn't like.
Trump has learned from history ... that contortions to pass an enabling act are inefficient and unnecessary.
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No, it's because Congress delegated the authority.
-Field v. Clark
Congress can take back the authority,
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Yeah this has been a long time coming for Congress being subservient and lazy, the Senate especially bear's this burden. We should have way more lawmaking, whatever aisle you are on.
It only takes a simple majority in the House to impeach and 67 to remove. I can see a world where 8-20 Republican House members vote that way but they know 14 Senators ain't doing it, no way no how. At the very least Congress as a whole, both aisles, should be passing shit left and right asserting their financial authority w
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Yes. People seem unwilling to accept that the path to modern dictatorship is to keep the institution but cuck it. You have courts and legislative bodies and the press and universities and other elements of civil society and you make them complicit in pretending that they're functioning normally while you just do what the fuck you want. There's enough cowards, useful idiots and active sympathisers to hollow it all out to the husk in very short order.
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The USA is a cultural "exporter" (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if he finds a way to execute this (is based on budget? box office receipts? Home video sales? Royalties?) it'll just cause tariff responses.
This is the black hole of the Trump admin; they only believe in sticks. Carrots aren't real, they don't work despite all the times they have. You don't have to look further than Georgia, we've all seen the "Made In Georgia" at the end of several shows and that's because Georgia subsidizes and incentivizes the industry and today they have more productions than California.
It's a good deal too, the state put's out about $500M in credits but they a $4B+ industry that supports lot's of businesses and employees.
Re:The USA is a cultural "exporter" (Score:5, Interesting)
Also I think this may be related to his supposedly wanting to reopen Alcatraz after watching "Escape from Alcatraz" on TV [hollywoodreporter.com] as it aired on a South Florida PBS (irony!) 2 hours before his tweet. Maybe that got him late-night rolling on the film industry.
I give that story a 50/50 being true but the fact we could all find it plausible speaks to a lot.
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A lot people think that's what NYC is like right now
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Even if he finds a way to execute this
It could be quite simple, where are scenes filmed. It would sort of parallel the auto industry with their disclosure of the percentage of Made in USA parts.
Fuck Trump (Score:5, Insightful)
And fuck everyone who follows him. He's a despot, a wannabe tinpot dictator.
That is all.
Nate White on Trump (Score:5, Insightful)
“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, a writer from England wrote the following:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think "Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy" is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
- Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
- You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: "My God what have I created?"
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
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“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, a writer from England wrote the following:
Why do some people like Trump would be a more interesting question tbh.
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Because propaganda has always been a pretty effective tool in making a populace willing accomplices to evil
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Easy. He lets them hate whoever they want to hate. He encourages it. No more having to pretend that the gays, or the blacks, or the browns, or the women, or the disabled, are equal to us able-bodied white guys. Empathy just shows you're a weak cuck who deserves whatever you get. MAGA! MAGA!
I'm not kidding. Not even a little bit. Every MAGA I've ever met has had a grudge against one group or another and sees the rise of Trump as a sign
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And that text is from Trump's first term. Considering that he has been elected twice, this part
is even more relevant.
Re:Nate White on Trump (Score:5, Funny)
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Biggest oxymoron of the 21st century.
For the love of God. (Score:2)
Now the moron has lost is completely (Score:3, Informative)
Security concerns? In movies? And then tariffs to address security concerns? Is he going into deep dementia now?
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Is he going into deep dementia now?
Are you suggesting he wasn't there already?
Re:Now the moron has lost is completely (Score:5, Insightful)
The dementia was going on for at least a year (Score:5, Informative)
During the campaign he was at a town hall and just stopped taking questions for 40 minutes and swayed rhythmically to an iPod playlist.
The news media covered it as though he intended to do it and that it made him connect with voters instead of pointing out that he was clearly senile.
Meanwhile and Joe Biden was listening to a question being put to him by somebody off camera and the news media spend two weeks claiming that he was staring off into space when he was just looking at somebody off camera asking a question and preparing to answer.
The news media didn't just fail us they actively doomed us. Anyone who refused to protect Trump and destroy Biden and Kamala was immediately fired.
Demented Donnie (Score:2)
Unlike Ron Reagan, not only doesn't he have a Nancy, but nobody actually likes him [youtube.com] enough to care about him embarrassing himself. So his handlers will only care insofar as he's useful as a figurehead.
So expect them to try to keep him progressively more in the background, with him getting grabbier and more incoherent with mics. They will try to groom Juicy Divan to take more of the public relations load, which will not work, because he's a gormless freak with negative ch
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My theory is that he is such a mutant of a human being and I mean that scientifically, that his whole personality and the way he answers and responds to everything, it's just autopilot. It's not impossible but it's very rare to find clips of Trump where he displays an actual understanding and communication of a particular issue, converys he has a nuanced consideration and can speak intelligently about it. Biden slowed down a ton but you could still find where he could do just that.
Trump will just keep goi
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Trump is exploiting a loophole. He cannot impose tariffs unilaterally unless there is a threat to national security. So everything is a matter of national security.
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No, that's not evidence of dementia. He just likes to lie. (Mind you, other people have pointed to other events as evidence of dementia, but his isn't one.)
He lost it in 2015 (Score:3)
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number
Throwing stones at glass houses (Score:5, Interesting)
Feels like Trump is trying to systematically destroy the USA.
These threats are idiotic given the US has more to lose in retaliatory tariffs. General expansion of trade war to intangible goods and services will destroy the US's global dominance.
Illegally dismantling foreign aid and influence (USAID, VOA..etc) as Russia and China cheer from the sidelines.
Putting fox news alcoholics in charge of the military.
Placing a regular viewer of RT in charge of US intelligence.
Pointless trade wars that will hurt the economy and US industry, threatening to fire the fed thus pissing away trust in the dollar itself.
Shitting on our allies to the point they openly muse about whose side the US is on forcing them to avoid US markets for procurement of weapon systems.
Pointlessly threatening Canada resulting in massive hit to US tourism industry and broadband boycotts of US products. Roughly 70% reductions in travel from Canada and 30% reductions from Europe.
The US president and vice president actively interfering in foreign elections and openly supporting autocrats and Nazi sympathizers.
Broadband systematic attacks on college systems not only arbitrary pulling of funding that has fuck all to do with "woke" the arbitrarily canceling of foreign student VISAs and then immediately arresting students. As a result they don't want to come and are looking elsewhere which will handicap US based innovation.
Open defiance of legal system including supreme court, renditioning people not known to have been convicted of any crime anywhere in the world to an infamous gulag in El Salvador in violation of the 8th amendments prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment as well as the convention against torture which the US has signed and ratified.
Trump is acting like a treasonous traitor, a manchurian candidate doing his utmost to destroy the US while still retaining legitimacy within the MAGA cult.
He's already backed down (Score:2)
It's a good thing the markets love uncertainty and chaos because otherwise we would be going into a heavy duty recession soon, maybe even a depression.
Seriously is there anyone who voted for trump, and I know there's a lot of you out there, that is ready to defend any of this? Because you seem to be ke
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we would be going into a heavy duty recession soon, maybe even a depression
The upcoming weeks are when it seems like we will start to see some effects as these things are slow going. This week is the first we that ports will be seeing less containers coming in. Not a huge amount but like 8-15% is what I have seen but it has signs of a pattern and that will ripple out to other areas, particularly truck drivers and then probably some retail.
It's not gonna be bombastic like 2008 or COVID but a slow burndown as percentages trickle off week by week and prices tick up little by little
This isn't a good idea... (Score:2)
All this means is that AI generated slop evolves faster in the US, and it may not have an effect due to the high seas.
I don't see this being a win at all.
Hollywood accounting (Score:2)
Law says no. But what does he care about the law? (Score:5, Informative)
In 1988 Congress passed a law amending the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, to specifically remove things deemed “informational materials” [marketwatch.com] from items the president could make subject to sanctions and tariffs.
Trump cited that act as giving him the authority to declare a national emergency under which he has imposed wide-ranging tariffs across the world. The language of the 1988 amendment, which is known as the Berman Amendment, is unambiguous, experts say
“The statute couldn’t be more plain,” said Anupam Chander, an expert in international trade and global regulations law at Georgetown University. “Congress in 1988 specifically said the president does not have the power to regulate this.”
Let's see how many excuses the party of "law and order" makes to ignore the law.
It's always about the ... (Score:2)
swindle. You know the defrauding, cheat, trick, fleece, dupe, deceive, exploit, squeeze, milk, bleed, fool, take advantage of, mislead, delude, hoax, hoodwink, bamboozle, string along, embezzle... I think you get the idea.
Now we just have to figure out how and who is in on it?
Now this will spectacularly backfire (Score:5, Insightful)
I know in Canada, we have had a certain side-eye towards American cultural imperialism for a long time. We have struggled to maintain what we can CanCon - Content in which we see our own values and not just those of the USA. Likewise a lot of nations have worked to subsidize their own media industries. Sure we export media and we maintain jobs in the industry. But giving other countries an excuse to counter-tariff and effectively ban American culture exports means that the USA is giving up an empire of normalizing their cultural values and showcasing their power. What happens when there is no media in a country that normalizes the materialistic consumer driven culture of American products. What happens when folks stop getting to watch media that depicts American as being cool, even with subtitles or bad dubbing? When the world starts to doubt because the news Americas hold on power slips. When the world stops believing that America has it better because of their way of doing things, or their perceived power, that slip becomes a headlong tumble into irrelevance. US culture export serves as a giant marketing campaign that drives demand for US goods and respect for perceived US power. When you take away that campaign, others get to own that space.
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How does this work? (Score:2)
Is he suggesting the tariff apply to ticket sales? Korean media has been doing well... what about streaming? Of course I don't think it has been thought through... but it seems fuzzy.
But assuming there are retaliatory tariffs or outright bans, look at Snow White. $86M domestic, $114M elsewhere. Foreign box office is the thing keeping big budget profitable. Domestic can't do it alone. Tariffs might kill the industry he's "protecting".
Although it occurs to me that might be the end of Marvel movies and Star Wa
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Is he suggesting the tariff apply to ticket sales?
It doesn't really make sense, because the property that matters is Intangible - assuming there is no license payment or royalty payment. An individual copy of the work is of negligible value, and it's only the authors' copyrights under US copyright law that have the actual value.
If you wanted to penalize them, then you would need to pass a new law changing the copyright act to require additional fees to the exercise of
exclusive rights for a work created
This is actually a good idea! (Score:2)
Hello,
World citizen here (I have multiple nationalities and have lived on 4 continents)...
This is actually a great idea... For the rest of the world :-)
Movies is one of the MAIN way the US is exporting it's view of the world, it's "values"....
Movies ARE propaganda! And NO other nation has been as successful as the US at using said propaganda....
I live in Europe and I am DEAD TIRED of US movies (blockbusters mostly)...
Such tariffs will cause counter tariffs and we will see LESS of these crap movies here!
So,
Formula to qualify as an "American Film" (Score:3)
Enforcement (Score:2)
Trump hasn't heard of encryption and ftp
Why are reporting agencies skipping the newsworthy (Score:3)
The actual news here is Trump's obvious lying power grab. "This is a concerted effort by other Nations and, therefore, a National Security threat".
Other countries, or citizens of other countries doing business with private American citizens without paying off the rancid mango is about to be a "National Security Threat" with the precedent he's attempting to set here.
Meaning the entire American Government and alleged justice system will look the other way when Trump throws a tantrum regarding thos individuals or their country.
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Under current Federal Trade Commission (FTC) guidelines, a product may be advertised as “Made in the USA” if “all or virtually all” of the labor and materials in the product are domestic. While this standard is relatively strict, it allows a bit of flexibility in at least two situations.
First, if the product is fully manufactured in the U.S. – primarily from U.S. materials, but with a very small amount of foreign content – the FTC standard allows the product to be describ
Re:What is considered "American Made?" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What is considered "American Made?" (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah agree for films it's probably uncategorizable, it's usually just by the language spoken which means nothing in terms of production.
Like I don't think Game of Thrones filmed anything in the United States and it starred mainly British and European actors but produced by American HBO. Is it American? We sure treat it that way.
Or Fury Road, Australian director, English actor, filmed in Africa but financed by Warner Bro's and marketed mainly in the USA.
Yeah this is so dumb on it's face./
Re:What is considered "American Made?" (Score:5, Interesting)
Star Wars filiming locations [wikipedia.org]
Re: What is considered "American Made?" (Score:2)
The better ones are British, up to and including the point where the masterful British editing made a crappy PoS into a symbol and a toy-selling powerhouse.
The last few are made in the USA and it shows.
Yours: Capt. Obvious
What Percentage filmed in the USA? (Score:2)
Yeah agree for films it's probably uncategorizable,
Why? Where was a scene filmed? In the same way auto manufacturers identify what percentage of their component parts are made in the USA, a film can indicate what percentage of the film was filmed in the USA?
And as the automakers indicate where assembly took place, the film can indicate where post production and editing took place.
it's usually just by the language spoken which means nothing in terms of production.
Like I don't think Game of Thrones filmed anything in the United States and it starred mainly British and European actors but produced by American HBO.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Matter of fact some of the locations are quite one-of-kind and you have to go there. Completely understandable. But if a movie i
Re:What Percentage filmed in the USA? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why? Where was a scene filmed? In the same way auto manufacturers identify what percentage of their component parts are made in the USA, a film can indicate what percentage of the film was filmed in the USA?
How much does it count where the film was written? How less American made is it if the cast and crew are not Americans? What about post production like editing and special effects? How much unAmerican is it if the sound track was written by an Swedish composer [wikipedia.org]? How many points if an American orchestra was used for the score instead of a a foreign one? What are the weights here?
And as the automakers indicate where assembly took place, the film can indicate where post production and editing took place.
How much does pre-production count? After all some films spend years being written.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Matter of fact some of the locations are quite one-of-kind and you have to go there. Completely understandable. But if a movie is about Los Angeles and it is filmed in Toronto, personally, that takes a little away from its authenticity. Same thing for a movie about New York City that is largely filmed in New Jersey, something is lost.
And what again are the weights for each item?
Like we do with American and foreign branded autos. Which why those disclosure statements that indicate percentages of US parts and where assembled are meaningful to consumers.
You haven't given any weights as to how much should count for what.
Weights, if any, are up to individual ... (Score:3)
How much does it count where the film was written?
About as much as where an auto part was designed. Or where an iPhone is designed.
A percentage can be offered for both pre- and post-production as well. Maybe financing too? Again, paralleling the auto disclosure about where it was assembled.
\How less American made is it if the cast and crew are not Americans?
It's up to viewers. Personally, I found British actor Damian Lewis did such an outstanding job in his performance of American hero Richard Winters in the HBO miniseries Band of Brothers that I don't care he's British.
Now to another movie, Midway, about the famous N
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About as much as where an auto part was designed. Or where an iPhone is designed.
So according to you it's okay if no American writers were used.
A percentage can be offered for both pre- and post-production as well. Maybe financing too?
What are the percentages? You seem to have all the answers. What are the percentages?
Again, paralleling the auto disclosure about where it was assembled.
And just like the auto industry what are the percentages? A car is made up of tens of thousands of parts. What percentages are given to screws not made in the US as opposed to the frame that is made in the US. Right now no one in the auto industry knows. You seem to know. Please tell them.
It's up to viewers. Personally, I found British actor Damian Lewis did such an outstanding job in his performance of American hero Richard Winters in the HBO miniseries Band of Brothers that I don't care he's British.
No, no, no. You are advocating for this. Please tell everyone in the fil
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About as much as where an auto part was designed. Or where an iPhone is designed.
So according to you it's okay if no American writers were used.
Again, you are trying to frame things incorrectly. It's not about right / wrong, good / bad, it's about disclosure. The judgement about data disclosed is up to individual moviegoer.
A percentage can be offered for both pre- and post-production as well. Maybe financing too?
What are the percentages? You seem to have all the answers. What are the percentages?
Again, the amount of work done in pre- and post- is known with respect to time, and who (company) did the work.
And just like the auto industry what are the percentages?
Not necessary for the analogy. The point of the analogy is that an industry can disclose metrics on its products, and consumer can draw whatever conclusion they want from those metrics, if any.
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Again, you are trying to frame things incorrectly. It's not about right / wrong, good / bad, it's about disclosure. The judgement about data disclosed is up to individual moviegoer.
Who said anything about good or bad? What I said is we don't know what the percentages contribute to this "American made" percentage. You seem to know the answers. Please tell the rest of us.
Again, the amount of work done in pre- and post- is known with respect to time, and who (company) did the work.
No. No you just said it does not matter who or where a film is written. What percentage does it contribute to the "American made" percentage is a film was written in a foreign land. What if the writer though was American? Does that contribute to "American Made"?
Not necessary for the analogy. The point of the analogy is that an industry can disclose metrics on its products, and consumer can draw whatever conclusion they want from those metrics, if any.
It's the exact same thing. To determine whether a car is Am
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1. Why are you talking about "industry can disclose metrics on its products, and consumer can draw whatever conclusion they want from those metrics" when this article is about *tariffs*, which have nothing whatsoever to do with consumer choice, and are instead about taxes being imposed by the government
2. Why is time a more important metric than value-add? Whose time are you counting anyway? Human time only? What about computing time? And then what about computing power required? And then what if the comput
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What I said is we don't know what the percentages contribute to this "American made" percentage.
Untrue. For example, three metrics::
Film %: % of minutes filmed in USA.
Pre-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
Post-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
All knowns from product and financial accounting.
No. No you just said it does not matter who or where a film is written.
Nope. I said the metrics are merely data for the consumer. The individual consumer considers the metrics to whatever extent they care to, if at all.
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Film %: % of minutes filmed in USA.
According to you 150 minutes filmed in the US, 90 minutes filmed overseas. In the final cut, only10 minutes of US locations make it to final cut. Therefore this film is "American". You didn't answer the question about the cast and crew. A 100% foreign cast and crew is considered American if they were filming on American soil, right?
Pre-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
So every single person can be flown into the USA for work and it still counts as American. Got it.
Post-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
So Industrial Light and Magic can hand off 100% of the VFX to their overseas stu
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Film %: % of minutes filmed in USA.
According to you 150 minutes filmed in the US, 90 minutes filmed overseas. In the final cut, only10 minutes of US locations make it to final cut. Therefore this film is "American". You didn't answer the question about the cast and crew. A 100% foreign cast and crew is considered American if they were filming on American soil, right?
I offered no such details. You're just manufacturing a straw man. Whether the percentage represents all minutes filmed or only those that appear in the final film is up to whoever designs the calculation. That fact remains that we have the data regardless of which way the calculations go.
Pre-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
So every single person can be flown into the USA for work and it still counts as American. Got it.
Again, the details are irrelevant, that fact remains we have all the data regardless of how the calculations go.
Post-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
So Industrial Light and Magic can hand off 100% of the VFX to their overseas studios and the VFX work is considered American. Got it.
Again, the details are irrelevant, that fact remains we have all the data regardless of how the calculations go
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The metrics are also idiotic in the first place. Human time / billable hours is going to be a small fraction of the value-add provided by ILM, for example?
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I offered no such details. You're just manufacturing a straw man. Whether the percentage represents all minutes filmed or only those that appear in the final film is up to whoever designs the calculation. That fact remains that we have the data regardless of which way the calculations go.
You said above ALL the details. Now you are saying you offered no details?
Again, the details are irrelevant, that fact remains we have all the data regardless of how the calculations go.
No, no you are quite clear. A Hollywood studio can hire 100% foreign labor on a film and it's still considered American according to you.
Again, the details are irrelevant, that fact remains we have all the data regardless of how the calculations go.
100 foreign labor = "American" film. Got it.
Nope. ILM would have the necessary data and could provide it to Marvel.
You missed the point. Marvel did not ask and according to you ILM is USA based; therefore all work by their overseas studios counts as "American".
Again, the details are irrelevant, that fact remains we have all the data regardless of how the calculations go.
You keep saying those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
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1. Why are you talking about "industry can disclose metrics on its products, and consumer can draw whatever conclusion they want from those metrics" when this article is about *tariffs*
Because tariffs can involve the percentage of a product that is made in the USA vs foreign made.
2. Why is time a more important metric than value-add?
Because time is easily quantifiable. It's embedded in exists product and accounting info. Also, it's just one example of a practical calculation for a movie. Where parts may be a more practical calculation for an auto.
3. You said up above that film writing should count about as much as auto or iPhone design. For the purposes of tariffs, those design efforts count for precisely nothing.
In auto metrics they chose to ignore design, offering only parts manufacture and assembly. They certainly could do that in film too, or not. It's up to whoever determines and designs the metrics to
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Re:What is considered "American Made?" (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think the Trump administration understands how modern films are made.
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I don't think the Trump administration understands
Fixed that for you
Gesture at Hollywood expense has near zero cost (Score:2)
I don't think the Trump administration understands how modern films are made.
You are so very mistaken. The real issue here is how few in Hollywood would ever consider supporting him or buying anything from him. So making a symbolic gesture at their expense has near zero cost. He might even consider it some sort of payback.
That said, paralleling auto manufacturers and indicating the percentage of the movie filmed in the USA would not be a bad thing.
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That said, paralleling auto manufacturers and indicating the percentage of the movie filmed in the USA would not be a bad thing.
What you don't understand is there is no system that tells you what percentage that is. How much should be assigned to each minute of film? How much should be assigned to cast and crew? How much should be assigned to the post production? How much should be assigned to the soundtrack and score? Like many things, Trump he has no grasp of details.
This is especially true of auto manufacturing. The car stereo system was assembled in the US but contains components from Japan, China, Thailand, US, etc. Please t
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That said, paralleling auto manufacturers and indicating the percentage of the movie filmed in the USA would not be a bad thing.
What you don't understand is there is no system that tells you what percentage that is.
Untrue. Locations of filming are well documented. I've seen location managers at work.
How much should be assigned to each minute of film?
One minute for each minute in the final film.
How much should be assigned to the post production?
One hour for each logged hour.
How much should be assigned to the soundtrack and score?
That's part of post production.
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Untrue. Locations of filming are well documented. I've seen location managers at work.
Again there s no system that tells you what percentage that is that contributes to this "American made" percentage. What we know is WHERE a film was shot. How do we assign percentages because a film might have shot 100 scenes on location in a foreign country and 100 scenes on a soundstage in Hollywood. But then in editing more scenes on location were kept. Is that now less American? You have all the answers, tell us.
One minute for each minute in the final film.
So no contribution for all the minutes in that location then? So if a film spends 9 months
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Again there s no system that tells you what percentage that is that contributes to this "American made" percentage.
Untrue. For example, three metrics::
Film %: % of minutes filmed in USA.
Pre-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
Post-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
All knowns from product and financial accounting.
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Film %: % of minutes filmed in USA.
According to you 150 minutes filmed in the US, 90 minutes filmed overseas. In the final cut, 10 minutes of US locations make it to final cut. Therefore this film is "American". You didn't answer the question about the cast and crew. A 100% foreign cast and crew is considered American if they were filming on American soil, right?
Pre-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
So an American writer and director who spent years getting the film produced while living overseas means 0% pre-production is American. Got it.
Post-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
So every film has to keep track of wher
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Film %: % of minutes filmed in USA.
According to you 150 minutes filmed in the US, 90 minutes filmed overseas. In the final cut, 10 minutes of US locations make it to final cut. Therefore this film is "American".
I offered no such details. You're just manufacturing a straw man. Whether the percentage represents all minutes filmed or only those that appear in the final films is up to whoever designs the calculation. That fact remains that we have the data regardless of which way the calculations go.
You didn't answer the question about the cast and crew. A 100% foreign cast and crew is considered American if they were filming on American soil, right?
Again, the details are irrelevant, that fact remains we have all the data regardless of how the calculations go.
Pre-production %: % of time by USA based entities.
So an American writer and director who spent years getting the film produced while living overseas means 0% pre-production is American. Got it.
Again, irrelevant straw man over implementation detail. We have all the data we need regardless of how the cal
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I offered no such details. You're just manufacturing a straw man. Whether the percentage represents all minutes filmed or only those that appear in the final films is up to whoever designs the calculation. That fact remains that we have the data regardless of which way the calculations go.
From the very beginning YOU had all the answers. YOU said what the percentages were. We can scroll up. Now you are saying you didn't have the answers?
Whether the percentage represents all minutes filmed or only those that appear in the final films is up to whoever designs the calculation. That fact remains that we have the data regardless of which way the calculations go.
So according to you now, a film can spend 9 months in a foreign country and spend most if the money there but if the final film has more American minutes then it's "American". Also the final can use 100% foreign cast and crew, and it's still American. Got it.
Again, the details are irrelevant, that fact remains we have all the data regardless of how the calculations go.
So you agree that a Hollywood film can consist entirely of foreigners and the film is still "American"
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Yes, please scroll up and re-read and the difference between what I said -- that would could publish metrics like the auto industry, using production and accounting data -- and the straw men you manufactured will be more apparent.
No you said "the details are irrelevant". It is irrelevant that a Hollywood studio can hire 100% foreign labor and the film is still American. ILM can hand over VFX work on a film to their overseas studios and "the details are irrelevant". Thus all their work is American.
The fact remains that the data exists to create various metrics -- time, who, where. This data distilled into simple percentages. Much as the auto industry has done.
No the fact remans you don't really have a clue and are trying to dismiss away details because they destroy your argument each and every time.
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And also what constitutes a "film"? What about some sitcom that is produced in another country? And what constitutes production? A single episode? A single scene?