
Spain Blocks More Than 65,000 Airbnb Holiday Rental Listings (reuters.com) 63
Spain has ordered Airbnb to remove over 65,000 listings that violate rental regulations, citing missing license numbers and unclear ownership details. The crackdown is part of a broader government effort to address the country's housing crisis, which many blame on unregulated short-term rentals reducing long-term housing supply. Reuters reports: Most of the Airbnb listings to be blocked do not include their licence number, while others do not specify whether the owner was an individual or a corporation, the Consumer Rights Ministry said in a statement on Monday. Consumer Rights Minister Pablo Bustinduy said his goal was to end the general "lack of control" and "illegality" in the holiday rental business. "No more excuses. Enough with protecting those who make a business out of the right to housing in our country," he told reporters.
Bustinduy said Madrid's high court is backing the request to withdraw as many as 5,800 listings. Airbnb will appeal the decision, a spokesperson said on Monday. The company believes the ministry does not have the authority to make rulings over short-term rentals and failed to provide an evidence-based list of non-compliant accommodation. Some of the incriminated listings are non-touristic seasonal ones, the spokesperson said.
Bustinduy said Madrid's high court is backing the request to withdraw as many as 5,800 listings. Airbnb will appeal the decision, a spokesperson said on Monday. The company believes the ministry does not have the authority to make rulings over short-term rentals and failed to provide an evidence-based list of non-compliant accommodation. Some of the incriminated listings are non-touristic seasonal ones, the spokesperson said.
"unregulated short-term rentals" (Score:4, Insightful)
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Sweetie, the entitlement.
You traveling with 2 dogs is not Spain's problem.
Leave your dogs with a friend.
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I really would not advise you travel Spain with dogs. Your best hope is to buy a house there then you can have dogs. Renting anything with pets will be near impossible and nobody will even understand why on earth would anyone rent a place and bring pets. I know it seems crazy but talk to some Spaniard. Not even a cat is likely allowed on a rental in Spain.
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Stay home, or dog hotel them.
Its the same thing with children. YOU made that choice. DONT fuck every else over because of it.
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So traveling with children is somehow fucking over other people? Seriously?
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So traveling with children is somehow fucking over other people? Seriously?
When they are too young or ill-behaved? Yes, it absolutely can be.
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So, the issue isn't traveling with children, it's traveling with people who can't behave themselves. That's an affliction that can effect someone of any age.
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You're not wrong, but somehow the only people who ever made a flight horrible for me by screaming are infants, and by kicking my seat for fifteen minutes straight, children.
I don't question whether adults are capable of the same, of course they are. They could even try to hijack the plane! But in practice, children (and those who are teaching them to raise hell for attention) are the problem.
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In my experience, drunk, loud, obnoxious adults are the problem. I encounter far more of them than children of any kind, let alone problem children.
He was joking...couldn't be THAT incel! (Score:1)
So traveling with children is somehow fucking over other people? Seriously?
No one would be that incel enough to proclaim something so stupid with sincerity. Yeah, some dumb AF people secretly wish they could ban children from public...but even then, unless they're fucked beyond hope, they know their wish is immensely stupid. Like those dumb AF pieces of shit that complain about babies on airplanes. Even before I had kids, I hated kids, but I accepted...yeah...babies have the right to be on a plane. I don't like it, but I've got noise-canceling headphones and a movie or playlis
Re: "unregulated short-term rentals" (Score:5, Informative)
Theres no real reason why those "illegal hotels" cant get properly licensed and offer the same product at the same time (ie accepting pets).
The "illegal hotels" wont do that tho because it costs them money and means inspections so their rooms arent death traps.
Re: "unregulated short-term rentals" (Score:5, Informative)
It is not possible to get properly licensed in many places in Spain as no new licenses are issued.
In Barcelona, the already granted licenses won't even get renewed in 2028.
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Yes, nobody likes overturism.
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It is not possible to get properly licensed in many places in Spain as no new licenses are issued.
In Barcelona, the already granted licenses won't even get renewed in 2028.
To get a license, you must also meet all regulations and legal responsibilities... Which costs money and means a lot of short term lets cant undercut a dedicated accommodation provider.
Also in Spain there is a law that if two thirds of the residents in an apartment block vote against permitting short term lets, it's banned for the entire building.
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Theres no real reason why those "illegal hotels" cant get properly licensed and offer the same product at the same time (ie accepting pets).
The "illegal hotels" wont do that tho because it costs them money and means inspections so their rooms arent death traps.
You underestimated the bureaucracy and regulation that makes that an arduous process; even before the government decided the were the cause of the housing crisis and somehow ending them will magically make the units available for long term rental. Add in laws that make it nearly impossible to evict tenants that don't pay the rent and yo have strong incentives not to rent your property long term.
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No don't try travelling with dogs. You're just a burden to those around you. ... and I'm not at all surprised to find mr "I can't own an EV because of holidays" also follow the line of "I can't use a normal holiday hotel because of dogs".
Rental cars exist, dog hotels exist. Use them like a normal person instead of being a self entitled crybaby.
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People aren't buying the EV lifestyle where you don't drive anywhere but to the work and the grocery store.
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A rental and a hotel aren't obviously the same.
Hotel require to offer more services, while at the same time, a rental is a temporary lend of rights and obligations to a third party that doesn't exists in a hotel.
Different things.
That's said, because they share a lot of the same market, and because hotels have to offer more services, they are clearly more expensive, so house rentals are cheaper than hotels.
But at the same time, as in holidays people spend more, they are a lot more expensive that regular rent
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No, they will rename themselves as a tiny legal hotel instead where the state cannot do anything.
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Is that the new euphemism for illegal hotel?
No. The whole point of the term unregulated is that it is not illegal. Just because something slips through the regulation gaps doesn't make it illegal. Also short-term rentals aren't exactly hotels either, they not only fall into a different category but they typically serve a very different purpose.
What is needed is laws to be passed to regulate them, then we can have a discussion about the legality. Spain has already done that. Other countries are rapidly following suite.
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Is that the new euphemism for illegal hotel?
Well short term rentals are not illegal in Spain, just regulated. From the fine summary:
citing missing license numbers and unclear ownership details.
So the crime here isn't running an illegal hotel, it's more along the lines of tax evasion and fraud (misrepresentation).
A lot of Spanish in tourist areas are complaining that people, in particular, corporations are buying up properties as short term lets which is making property unaffordable for locals. In Spain, the government listens to what people want (I know this will seem like an odd concept to Americans).
Last December I went to Alicante (that's in the Valencia region of Spain for those who can't read a map) and rented a flat (apartment). That would be considered a short term rental, however it was rented though a Spanish hotel company who owned the entire block of flats effectively making it a hotel (but with no lobby, restaurant, et al), the building was classified as such, I paid the tourist taxes as part of the rental and one can presume the company met their other taxation and legal obligations (presume as technically, this is not my responsibility). Short term lets are still not illegal, the problem are people using AirBNB to evade their tax and legal responsibilities. AirBNB has also not been banned, they've just been asked to (ordered by a court to) remove listings that do not comply with regulations.
Housing should have never become an investment for (Score:4, Insightful)
Housing should have never become an investment for hedge funds and other blood money, and greedy pseudo-investors making others pay for their pseudo-investments thru sites like airbnb. You are just running an illegal hotel and making life so much worse for the locals. Especially talking to the US Americans and especially the NYC and CA crowd, the vastly most over-privileged and overly entitled people on this planet.
Using airbnb has become pretty much insufferable as a customer any way.
Re:Housing should have never become an investment (Score:5, Interesting)
AirBNB has often been contributing to various campaigns so as to keep the heat away from what they do.
And there are very legitimate housing shares that are good, and benefit from the stupefying costs of hotels in major urban areas, like NYC and Barcelona. They're a relief valve, but also battle the fact that NIMBY new housing prevention and housing costs in general are overheated.
Will there be a tourist drop as a result? Barcelona wants that, but smaller areas away from major Spanish cities need that revenue and don't have the same market dynamics for housing.
AirBnB now has much additional competition, and some of that competition is in compliance with local laws, while others also skirt the laws, taxes, etc.
It is my humble opinion that corporations should not own residences, and humans need at most, three. Long tradition, however, allows the downside effects of slumlords and REIs, and other forms of residential gluttony to be easily managed, creating housing deserts.
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It is my humble opinion that corporations should not own residences, and humans need at most, three
But how will I make money with my parents' trust fund?
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I hope that's a snarky reply, rather than a real one.
If not, consider you're creating fiefdom, with all that this implies.
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They're a relief valve
From what? The "stupefying cost" in many hotels is the result of an attempt to control demand through the supply restriction side by raising prices. That is the real relief valve - for the people of the city. Air-BNB is bypassing that relief valve driving tourism to levels that is completely unsustainable in many places by keeping it cheap when cost based controls are trying to drive it down.
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> stupefying costs of hotels in major urban areas, like NYC and Barcelona
I recently visited Madrid and Barcelona. I've got to say, Barcelona is already "over touristed" - just way too many restaurants with hawkers outside trying to 'tempt' you in for their mediocre food, street hustlers trying to sell you plastic crap etc. There weren't many (any?) cruise ships in when I was there either, so we can't blame them on this occasion.
If Barcelona is expensive to stay in, then good for them - keep on cranking
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The difference is pretty simple; Madrid isn't as transient and conveniently transient as Barcelona. Barcelona is a launchpad to other destinations, just like the SF Bay area, or Seattle/PDX, Cologne/Duesseldorf, Marseille, or even Singapore.
The hub and spoke tourism, coupled to cruise ships, amps demand. AirBnB selections were once really handy and of high value. The denominator sank linearly. AirBnB also spawned competition.
Worse, add in timeshares, VRBO, online travel sites, cruise ships, and the travel i
Agreed - Its a parasite business model .. (Score:1)
.. anti-happy, anti-growth, anti-aspiration of the individual. Live in home ownership makes for better, happier communities rather than a transient population renting everything. The only people that will complain will be landlords, it will be very small protest march and they will insist on bringing their Rolls Royce's .. fcuk em, their cultural ancestors are slave owners .
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Re:About time (Score:4, Insightful)
Construction rates and immigration are both factors, but internal migration is also a big one. There are lots of unused homes in Spain: it's just that they're in rural areas which have been left hollowed out as young people move to the cities. But the cities are also where foreign tourists think about visiting, so they're where housing stock is most in demand for AirBnb and similar rentals, and the stress factors reinforce each other.
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About time. In Australia we've been slowly tightening up the legislation around short-term letting. Over the space of 20 years my apartment building changed from a vibrant community to feeling like a university dorm; after banning AirBnB we're starting to feel like a community again. "Housing has become a major issue in Spain as construction has failed to keep pace with demand since a real estate bubble burst more than 15 years ago." Though in Australia (like Spain) a slow rate of housing construction (and high immigration) is the overarching cause of housing stress.
The problem Spain has, unlike Australia is that it's still a relatively cheap place to get property. Doubly so compared to the UK, Germany and the Netherlands. Pre-Brexit it wasn't unusual for a British couple or family to buy a holiday home in Spain, post Brexit it still isn't that difficult... So understandably, Spanish are upset about foreigners buying up property and making it unaffordable.
As an Australian who moved to the UK, UK property is still cheap compared to Australia (the UK's population is m
Letâ(TM)s do some real math (Score:4, Interesting)
Rather than assumingâ¦
1,200,000 hotel rooms in Spain
26,000,000 houses in Spain
Do you honestly think 65,000 houses, of which ONLY 5,800 are going to be banned will make any difference. Itâ(TM)s absolutely absurd to think Airbnb drives any market changes. It represents 5% of the hotel market, 0.25% of the housing market.
The average price of a house in Spain is $3000. If 0.25% of the houses are taken off the market, and assuming demand stays constant with a price elasticity of demand of -0.5, the average price of the remaining houses would increase by 0.5%, or $15, to $3,015.
I seriously doubt Airbnb is your problem, I have done similar analysis in other markets and itâ(TM)s the same story, Nee York for example.
References:
https://www.spanishpropertyins... [spanishpro...nsight.com].
https://www.cbre.co.uk/insight... [cbre.co.uk]).
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I was gonna say, I'll take three at that price
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I think he means $3000/sq meter, which I've always thought was a stupid way to judge housing.
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House price? My sweet summer child, this is Spain, not America, it isn't about houses, it's about tourism. 5% is a huge portion of the market, especially since those 65000 are not distributed across the country equally but many in tourism hotspots.
Yes it makes a difference. It has already been shown to make a difference which is why the laws which were trialed in some regions of Spain are being expanded more widely.
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House price? My sweet summer child, this is Spain, not America, it isn't about houses, it's about tourism. 5% is a huge portion of the market, especially since those 65000 are not distributed across the country equally but many in tourism hotspots.
Yes it makes a difference. It has already been shown to make a difference which is why the laws which were trialed in some regions of Spain are being expanded more widely.
I for one would welcome a significant drop in tourism so I can walk around my city and not bump into tourist hogging the street for selfies, driving resturant prices up and having those high end chain stores that cater to tourist shutter and be replaced by locally owned stores they once replaces. tear down the cruise ship ort while your at it and turn it into a seaside park.
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Its socialism until the house next door becomes a party house. You call the cops at 3:00 am. They come and it quiets down. Owner apologizes profusely and says that the guests violated the rental agreement. Next week same scenario, different party.
Do vacation rentals cause a national housing shortage? No, they contribute a small amount. Can vacation rentals in tourist areas create a local housing crisis. You bet, big time. Its simple economics. You can make a lot more money renting by the day or week than
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What's really needed, but we will never get without rising up as a mass and demanding it which means we will never get it, is a total ban on any corporation owning any home. There would be exactly one exception, for banks, and they would only be allowed to own it for a year and then they would be forced to sell it at a no-reserve auction.
We should also institute an empty home tax on any dwelling which there is a resident less than 51% of the year,* which is set sufficiently high to make it unprofitable to o
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In other words, just do Georgism.
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Until you deal with the real estate hoarding
So YOU are proposing a limit to private ownership, which IS socialism.
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If it's not workers owning the means of production, it's not socialism. Words have meanings.
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Land is agricultural means of production. In 1930s USSR land was "removed from the control of individual peasant households" ("Collectivization in the Soviet Union" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] ), not given to workers.
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we can't hear you with all that McCarthy in your mouth.
I am not pro-McCarthy, I was criticising the AC at its own game. The original AC criticises "heavy-handed government" for removing some ads, calls this "Socialism", but then proposes to limit rights to real estate ownership, which is super duper more heavy handed and has actually been seen in the historically known implementation of Socialism (USSR).
NB I am not your AC stalker.
* If your stalker uses US spelling or typographical conventions, it isn't me. I write "colour", "defence" (I use the UK dictionary i
It isn't socialism .. its government enforcing law (Score:3)
These laws are there to prevent landlords exploiting their tenants, as history has shown they often do, or there wouldn't be a need for those laws.
Your government does the same, whatever their flavour , mad orange oligarchy seems popular with idiots.
AirBnB doesn't think they have the authority (Score:2)
I bet the government can tell them otherwise.
It is one tiny company against a country of laws. Good luck.