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'Doctor Who' Regenerates in Surprise Season Finale. But Will the Show Return? (space.com) 77

"The Doctor is dead. Long live the Doctor!" writes Space.com. (Spoilers ahead...) "The era of Ncuti Gatwa's Fifteenth Doctor came to a surprise end on Saturday night, as the Time Lord regenerated at the end of "Doctor Who" season 2 finale... [T]he Doctor gradually realises that not everything is back to normal. Poppy, his daughter with Belinda Chandra in the "Wish World" fantasy, has been erased from history, so the Time Lord decides to sacrifice himself by firing a ton of regeneration energy into the time Vortex to "jolt it one degree" — and hopefully bring her back. It goes without saying that his madcap scheme saves Poppy, as we learn that, in this rewritten timeline, the little girl was always the reason Belinda had been desperate to get back home. But arguably the biggest talking point of the episode — and, indeed, the season — is saved until last, as the Doctor regenerates into a very familiar face...
Hint: They played the Doctor's companion, Rose Tyler, "alongside Christopher Eccleston's Ninth Doctor and David Tennant's Tenth Doctor during the phenomenally successful first two seasons of the show's 2005 reboot."

Showrunner Russell T Davies called it "an honour and a hoot" to welcome back Billie Piper to the TARDIS, "but quite how and why and who is a story yet to be told. After 62 years, the Doctor's adventures are only just beginning!" Although the show's post-regeneration credits have traditionally featured the line "And introducing [insert name] as the Doctor", here it simply says "And introducing Billie Piper". The omission of "as the Doctor" is unlikely to be accidental, suggesting that Davies is playing a very elaborate game with "Who" fandom...

Another mystery! The BBC and Disney+ are yet to confirm if and when "Doctor Who" will return for a third season of its current iteration.

"There's no decision until after season two..." Davies told Radio Times in April (as spotted by the Independent). "That's when the decision is — and the decision won't even be made by the people we work with at Disney Plus, it'll be made by someone in a big office somewhere. So literally nothing happening, no decision."

"For a new series to be ready for 2026, production would need to get under way relatively soon," writes the BBC. "So at the moment a new series or a special starring Billie Piper before 2027 looks unlikely." The Guardian adds: Concerns have been raised about falling viewing figures, which have struggled to rally since Russell T Davies' return in 2023. Two episodes during this series, which aired in May, got less than 3 million viewers — the lowest since the modern era began airing in 2005.
The Independent has this statement from Piper: "It's no secret how much I love this show, and I have always said I would love to return to the Whoniverse as I have some of my best memories there, so to be given the opportunity to step back on that Tardis one more time was just something I couldn't refuse, but who, how, why and when, you'll just have to wait and see."

'Doctor Who' Regenerates in Surprise Season Finale. But Will the Show Return?

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  • by BytePusher ( 209961 ) on Sunday June 01, 2025 @09:40PM (#65421299) Homepage
    The reason the show sucks now isn't Ncuti Gatwa, his acting or any indelible characteristics. It's Disney and their infinite capacity for ruining anything creative by playing it safe, coloring inside the lines.
    • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Sunday June 01, 2025 @10:01PM (#65421325)

      I really enjoyed Ncuti Gatwa playing the doctor. He was full of energy and looked like he was actually enjoying things. Jodie Whitaker was terrible and not because she's a woman. She was stone faced and admitted to never having watched any old shows. To prove my point watch the following clip and tell me who does a better job. Jodie Whitaker or Jo Martin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      Ncuti Gatwa's first season was unwatchable with bad stories and plots. This second season was a complete turn around and a massive improvement. I'm sad to see him go.

    • Was written by some of the best sci-fi writers and script writers out there. There's just a lot less sci-fi being written now so you don't have this giant pool of great authors to draw on like you did back in the day. The result is the scripts and the material are extremely Hit or Miss no matter what.

      I mean for the most part the original Doctor who wasn't all that controversial certainly not Star Trek levels of controversy (first interracial kiss anyone?).
      • Was written by some of the best sci-fi writers and script writers out there.

        When was this? In the shows I remember, the only thing worse than the "special effects" was the plots.

        • by Spacejock ( 727523 ) on Monday June 02, 2025 @03:15AM (#65421541)
          Douglas Adams was one of the writers in the Tom Baker era, to mention one example.
        • Was written by some of the best sci-fi writers and script writers out there.

          When was this? In the shows I remember, the only thing worse than the "special effects" was the plots.

          That's what I remember too. I recall thinking they would have to work hard just to be on par with Lost in Space. The Sci part of their Sci-Fi seemed to be in short supply. I never could summon enough interest to try later attempts.

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        They don't need sci-fi writers, they just need writers. A lot of the issues with the last two seasons could be fixed if RTD just had a decent team who could take his ideas and fix the basic writing issues.

        For example, the finale was full of fan service, but it felt like empty calories because none of it had any meaning. Then after all the stuff about how bad Wish World was, how regressive the 1950s marriage was, Belinda gets stuck in a literal box for the final battle.

        It's just basic stuff that they had a g

        • by wiggles ( 30088 ) on Monday June 02, 2025 @09:31AM (#65421901)

          Too bad they replaced all those writers in the diversity purges.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            They never had them. The BBC has always had this problem with Who and many other shows. They let one or two people do all the writing, and it's hit and miss if it is any good.

            Other studios have a team of writers who take the draft and refine it, which hopefully gives the shows consistently good scripts that nail all the basics like pacing, properly handling characters, and avoiding McGuffin endings. Hopefully they also tame the worst excesses of fan service.

            Last season of Doctor Who was frustrating in how i

    • Re: (Score:1, Offtopic)

      by Gavino ( 560149 )
      I'm hoping they can make Doctor Who an empowered lesbian black female.
      • by rta ( 559125 )

        ... empowered lesbian black female.

        She wasn't the Doctor, but in the 2017 season
        The main companion was Bill Potts (https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Bill_Potts ). I forget why her name is Bill.

        And they leaned moderately heavily into those adjectives...

        • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Monday June 02, 2025 @08:54AM (#65421829)
          BIll was a lesbian. That was the single defining element of her character. Worst. Companion. Ever.

          And some of the worst episodes ever. It's a shame, because I really liked Capaldi.

          • by rta ( 559125 )

            in "Thin Ice"

            they landed in 1813 (?) London where

            (They move on. Bill realises just how ethnically diverse London has always been, given its status as a world trading port.)
            BILL: Interesting.
            DOCTOR: What is?
            BILL: Regency England. Bit more black than they show in the movies.
            DOCTOR: So was Jesus. History's a whitewash.

            [http://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/36-3.html ]

            And the clip ... https://youtu.be/4VOr-2K9PN4?t... [youtu.be]

            (Since it's British English tere's a (small) possibility that they meant "non-white" as in diverse rather than just black, though there WERE a surprising number of African looking people there so it could have been either. However i think that meaning of black was already outdated by decades and maybe even "problematic" by 2017 when this aired. but idk tha

            • Another example of how bad the writing for Capaldi was. It's a shame really. McCoy faced the same problem.

              And it wasn't true either. By the late Victorian era (the other end of that century), there were only a few small and relatively isolated ethnic enclaves in London. Entirely unlike what contemporary producers like to pretend it was so they can be "inclusive". But we live in a time when TV people think it's okay to make Queen Charlotte (of whom there are multiple paintings) black.

              And ugh, the

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      The reason the show sucks now isn't Ncuti Gatwa, his acting or any indelible characteristics. It's Disney and their infinite capacity for ruining anything creative by playing it safe, coloring inside the lines.

      Erm... Doctor Who is produced by the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation).

      And the reason it sucks is because they've run out of ideas and are refusing to admit it. They aren't playing it safe, they're taking every risk they can except for original stories and good writing. If they were playing it safe they'd have another white, male doctor.

      I gave up on Doctor Who in the Capaldi era and I liked Capaldi as the Doctor, it was just everything else that went to pot.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by sabbede ( 2678435 )
        They're playing it safe in the wrong context. They're in the "we don't want to hear complaints from far-left activists who don't watch the show", context, but since making those people happy means producing crap shows, they end up playing fast and loose in the context that matters.
  • Not for some time. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Sunday June 01, 2025 @09:58PM (#65421321) Journal

    You can say it: RTD's insatiable desire to serve the woke ideology has perhaps slain a 60 year old series.

    Then when The Message took over, The Star Beast took a giant shit on the franchise, and then we recruited a new Dr Who who "wanted to twerk a space alien to death" campy preachy bullshit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    The only way it comes back is if it does what it did last time - it vanishes long enough that a generation forgets what the fuck they did.

  • haven't seen the episode yet... so.. thanks! :p

    what's the point of putting in "(Spoilers ahead...)" in the article when you put the information in the headline?

  • The five people who think "British Humor" is funny and the seven people who think Doctor Who is relevant concide into a union of three people who give a rat's ass about this.

    The Doctor is dead. The Daleks ran out of oil years ago. The TARDIS wasn't granted a license by the FAA. Billy is 75 years old.

    Geezeus kids, get over it and go watch something modern like Knight Rider.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Geezeus kids, get over it and go watch something modern like Knight Rider.

      lol, it was funny that the car got more fan mail than the 'Hoff.

  • by troff ( 529250 ) on Monday June 02, 2025 @12:21AM (#65421445) Homepage Journal

    have anything to do with it have completely failed to understand anything that made Doctor Who worthwhile in the first place - and what's currently destroying it. Even with shoddy sets, weak effects and needing to replace actors, it's the writers and the science-fiction that made the show the phenomenon it was.

    You want to talk about "wokeness"? I don't care. I'm not here for the politics. The politics is a symptom, it's not even the problem, even if the politics have been dialled to 12 and rammed down your throat in a way that neither the classic series nor the books and audios between series ever did.

    In 1966, the Doctor voice-hacked the "Trilogic" game to defeat the Celestial Toymaker. In 2023, he was defeated by two Doctors playing catch with a ball. And there's the best single example to illustrate the problem.

    The show, like its showrunner, IS AN IDIOT. Davies is incompetent. He's incoherent and self-contradictory in interviews, let alone single episodes, let alone seasons, let alone the show's history.

    The Radio Times 7 December 2023 quotes him: "The show is taking a sly step towards fantasy, which will annoy people to whom it’s a hard science-fiction show." and immediately follows that with "Episode two next year is wildly fantasy."

    18 May 2024 he's quoted in The Verge as saying, and let me break the paragraph up for you:
    "I think one of the strengths of Star Trek — and I’m a very big Discovery fan — is you’ve got to be the best to be aboard the Enterprise. You are the elite. You are the best of the best of the best." and
    "Even the Lower Decks are very good. I think that’s true of American society, which is very aspirational. Star Trek always feels very demotic and down to earth ..."

    And finally there, he said: "In a science fiction setting, the Doctor is always two steps away from pressing the right button and saving the day. But when you introduce a fantasy element to the equation — which is only in some episodes — it allows us to take away the buttons. There’s no computer or sonic screwdriver for him to immediately save the day with, and all rules are off, which means the Doctor has to think harder and fight harder than ever before, and I really enjoy that." ... so ignoring that now he has FANTASY AND BABY WISHES WITH WHICH TO SAVE THE DAY, now that all the rules are off, the Doctor hasn't really had to think since about 2005. With the false exceptions of Matt Smith's first episode pretending to be Moffat's "Sherlock".

    In 1964, writer/story-editor Dennis Spooner was interviewed in the Daily Mail, where he said:
    “The futuristic stories ought to be easier because the scope is endless but we have to set some limits to remain mildly plausible and we have found that many writers are completely lost with science fiction."

    And first producer/showrunner Verity Lambert, what did she say?
    "I have strong views on the level of intelligence we should be aiming at,” she told me briskly. “‘Doctor Who’ goes out at a time when there is a large child audience but it is intended more as a story for the whole family.
    And anyway children today are very sophisticated and I don’t allow scripts which seem to talk down to them.”

    And Davies selected Moffat as a successor, whose work was in the same ballpark of evil. And Moffat selected Chibnall, who threw out everything the show had been based on... paving the way for Davies's mutant-cerebrally-damaged return.

    So Russell Davies is as intellectually retarded, self-contradictory and evidently stupid-and-delusional as, in the entirety of history, can only be seen elsewhere in the White House. If you defend "Doctor Who" as it has been since, let's say 2006, then you're both a symptom of the problem and an enabler of the cause.

    I've been a fan, having watched and read the material every year since 1978. I've had pieces published in both fan magazines when they still existed, and

    • As a guy who never watched the old series (I was a baby when it ended), I find your take on the new one rather surprising, but also interesting, especially as I had hope when it was announced that RTD was coming back.

      You seem to put all of the new series in the same bag of awful, and while I understand why you wouldn't like any of it since it changed too much compared to the old, I still find it odd you don't differentiate between the first seasons and the latter seasons of the new series.

      Like it or not, th

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday June 02, 2025 @05:12AM (#65421613) Homepage Journal

      The sci-fi stuff in Who was rarely any good, and the current series is no exception. There are moments but most of it was bad. Like a poor episode of Star Trek Voyager, there is often an interesting idea there, but it gets resolved with some McGuffin or technobabble nonsense, not in an interesting way.

      Like Trek, Who is at its best when it's about the characters, about their stories. RTD tries to do that, but he doesn't bring the depth needed to any of it, and it comes over as tokenistic and shallow. It's certainly bombastic and loud (the sound was really bad in the finale), but doesn't do the work to really make the viewer care about any of it.

      • I prefer plot- over character-driven stories, but it says something bad if neither of us are satisfied.

        Which is a shame since I really enjoy(d) the show.

  • by Andrew Lindh ( 137790 ) on Monday June 02, 2025 @01:14AM (#65421495)

    I'd rather see Clara Oswald as The Doctor.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      My guess is that Piper will not be the official 16th Doctor, she will do maybe the xmas specials and then regenerate into the actual 16th.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        My guess is that Piper will not be the official 16th Doctor, she will do maybe the xmas specials and then regenerate into the actual 16th.

        Pretty much. They'll try a Christmas special to see how it goes down with the audience but chances are it'll be someone else.

        Piper was one of the more annoying companions... worse than Donna IMHO (Catherine Tate is a semi-OK comedian and played that in the show).

        Changing the actor who plays the Doctor is just really dancing around the problem that they've got no original ideas left... and none of the original sense of humour.

  • The show had devolved into such a pile of shit, I'm indifferent if it comes back or not. Unless they basically fire everyone and start again.
    • Back in my day, I remember:
      1. Dr Who figured out the plot using reason and logic.
      2. He didn't run around waving his sonic screwdriver like a magic wand.
      3. Less running around and explosions.
      4. Occasionally he would have a companion not from 20th/21st century Earth.

      Also, CGI has gotten so cheap and effective, it's being over used.

      I've got my asbestos longjohns on as a precaution, but you know I'm right.

  • Death spiral (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Horus1664 ( 692411 ) on Monday June 02, 2025 @03:43AM (#65421561)

    Speaking as someone that watched the first Dr Who broadcast and was a fan until a few years ago, I am so disappointed at the general decline of the show. It has become too wrapped up in portraying social issues to the detriment of actually engaging stories. That's not even mentioning the fact that at its height it was a serial, with cliff-hanger endings wheras the reboot rushes to finish even the most complex (potentially) stories in one go. I don't watch any more. A fascinating concept ridden into the ground having survived and prospered for decades. 'Change' is not always the answer.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Recent Star Trek shows have proven that serials work really well and are good for streaming. They should copy those, especially Strange New Worlds. Serial characters, episodic plots.

  • When he first revived Doctor Who he did a great job. His latest material - especially the finale - is appalling. Or maybe he's decided that he's earned enough to retire, so would use his status to indulge in severe wokery. Ncuti suddenly wearing a dress? Why? 'The power of millions of supernovas' - scientifically illiterate.

    There were a few interesting ideas in the last series, but the finale was a total bust. Let's hope for a relaunch with a massively reduced budget - we really don't need the massive TARDI

    • That's weird, right? Maybe it's similar to Georges Lucas with star wars: people were allowed to tell him "no" during the first movies, and he didn't have much power. Then for the newer ones, he was completely unchecked.

      It maybe the opposite, he had freedom at the beginning, but now big mouse has a day in the scripts.

      I was hopeful when I learned he'd return, especially with Tennant for the specials, but then said specials were released and that hope was obliterated.

      I don't know what happened, but something d

      • I was hopeful when I learned he'd return, especially with Tennant for the specials, but then said specials were released and that hope was obliterated.
        Ah yes, that's where we solved the Doctor/Donna problem by lecturing Tennant about being a "male presenting" timelord. Don't forget RTD decided that Davros being in a Dalek undercarriage was like a wheel chair and that somehow created the impression that disabled people were evil, so now Davros can walk.
  • I stopped watching about of a 3rd of the way through the season, it is so incredibly bad, they took everything that made Doctor Who one of the longest running scifi TV Series on the planet and threw it out the window.
  • Some time during Capaldi's tenure the show started taking itself way too seriously, its plots becoming convoluted and pretentious. If it persists on this chances are more and more fans will drop it.
  • it's not much of a surprise if you're shouting it at us to get clicks, now is it?

  • I watched his first two episodes and I was 1000% done. That shit was garbage. I haven't watched an episode since, and I won't unless I hear its back to its roots.

    I didn't sign up to watch Gay Dr. Clown in Fantasy Land. I signed up to watch Doctor Who, a grounded Science Fiction.

  • The show fell off a cliff with Jodie Whittaker and not at all because of her. The first three or so episodes I watched she put on a reasonably good performance. But the material they gave her to work with was just atrocious. Utter crap. Stuff they must've dug out of the very bottom of the "rejected ideas" bin.

    The ensemble cast didn't work, like at all. I never cared for any of them even the tiniest bit. The Doctor, the most feared creature in the universe, a being able to rip reality apart and put it back t

  • The only question is the when. And if there is a hiatus this year, reboots are nothing new for Doctor Who. What is old will be new again (at some point).

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