Linus Torvalds Photographed with Bill Gates - for the First Time Ever (theverge.com) 62
"The worlds of Linux and Windows finally came together in real life..." writes The Verge:
Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, have surprisingly never met before. That all changed at a recent dinner hosted by Sysinternals creator Mark Russinovich... "No major kernel decisions were made," jokes Russinovich in a post on LinkedIn.
More from the Linux news blog Linuxiac: The man on the left is Mark Russinovich, a software engineer, author, and co-founder of Sysinternals, now CTO of Azure, Microsoft's cloud computing platform. He has become synonymous with deep Windows diagnostics and cloud-scale management. In the late 1990s, his suite of tools (Process Explorer, Autoruns, Procmon) revolutionized the way administrators and security professionals understood Windows internals.
The man on the far right is another living legend: Dave Cutler. Let me put it this way — he's one of the key people behind OpenVMS and the brilliant lead architect who designed Windows NT's kernel and hardware-abstraction layer — technologies that remain at the heart of every current Windows release, from server farms to laptops. So, it's no surprise that people often call him the "father of Windows NT."
More from the Linux news blog Linuxiac: The man on the left is Mark Russinovich, a software engineer, author, and co-founder of Sysinternals, now CTO of Azure, Microsoft's cloud computing platform. He has become synonymous with deep Windows diagnostics and cloud-scale management. In the late 1990s, his suite of tools (Process Explorer, Autoruns, Procmon) revolutionized the way administrators and security professionals understood Windows internals.
The man on the far right is another living legend: Dave Cutler. Let me put it this way — he's one of the key people behind OpenVMS and the brilliant lead architect who designed Windows NT's kernel and hardware-abstraction layer — technologies that remain at the heart of every current Windows release, from server farms to laptops. So, it's no surprise that people often call him the "father of Windows NT."
Finally! The proof they aren't the same person! (Score:2)
Oh wait. The photo might be an AI fake. Maybe the reason Linus has never been seen in the same photo with Bill Gates is still that they are the same person...
It's the eyeglass trick, right? Linus is the one that doesn't wear the eyeglasses, right?
(Did anyone smell a brain fart FP?)
"Linux is a Cancer" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:"Linux is a Cancer" (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder if Bill Gates giving away his money has the same satisfaction as Linus Torvalds knowing he made the world a better place
History will show which one actually gets remembered as a good person and my bet is on Linus
Lesson I learnt... chasing money ends poorly.
JJ
Re:"Linux is a Cancer" (Score:4, Funny)
it didn't end poorly. Bill had a full life. He finally could met Linus :)
Re:"Linux is a Cancer" (Score:5, Insightful)
History will show which one actually gets remembered as a good person and my bet is on Linus
Good people? Why do you arbitrarily label people with a single binary value? Let's look at some examples: Bill Gates ran a company that destroyed competitors illegally. BAD!!! Linux created an open source operating system. GOOD!!! Or we can flip it. Bill Gates developed products that brought computers out of the hands of the techy nerds and into the masses. GOOD!!! Linus oversaw a development in an incredibly toxic environment, often childishly berated people to the point of quitting like the worlds worst manager. BAD!!!
History I hope will have more nuance than the Slashdot culture war. Both people will be remembered for the good they have done. For some they will be remembered for the bad as well.
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I wonder if Bill Gates giving away his money has the same satisfaction as Linus Torvalds knowing he made the world a better place
History will show which one actually gets remembered as a good person and my bet is on Linus
Lesson I learnt... chasing money ends poorly.
JJ
"History" won't give a flying shit. Great men in history... and women... have rarely been "good". Steve Jobs will be remembered far more than Torvalds ever will, and he was absolute garbage as a person. Like it or not, history cares about winners. Genghis Khan will always be remembered more than, say, Mother Theresa.
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History will show which one actually gets remembered as a good person and my bet is on Linus
Agreed [nytimes.com].
Could this be the year... (Score:5, Funny)
And nearly all developers say ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Only a handful of zealots get all religious about their software. Most of us subscribe to different tools for different jobs. We respect each other as developers, whether we call Win32 or POSIX makes little difference. Build something that works, respect.
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I'll NEVER respect bill gates he is the most corrupt evil bastard in high tech, and MS Windows is a shit tier operating system
OK, you are in the religious minority.
Re:And nearly all developers say ... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Evil" is a strangely heated term to throw around. The guy has been out of the tech industry for a couple of decades now, and focuses on..... well doing good...... so, you don't have to enjoy windows, I sure don't, unix forever, but try not make your product choices your entire personality, thats a terrible way to live.
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are you sure about that? investing in the covid vaccine then shitting on it after selling your shares doesn't give a good vibe. so does spreading injections through mosquito farms
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We know how investing works. You invest in Big Pharma, then you do a bunch of "charity" work which involves directing your foundation founded with stolen money to invest in Big Pharma, and requiring third world nations to adopt western IP law before they can get vaccinations. Then you wind up richer than before you gave "all" of your money away to your tax dodge^W^Wfoundation.
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I'm glad someone remembers how Gates has tried to whitewash his ill-gotten money. There is a long list of companies destroyed by MS and Gates from very early on in the 80s. Once a scum bag always a scum bag and no amount of "charity" work will buy him into the pages of history as a "good guy"
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Once a scum bag always a scum bag and no amount of "charity" work will buy him into the pages of history as a "good guy"
I suspect you're wrong, sadly. It's worked many times before. For example people now gush about "Carnegie libraries".
We respect each other, but we still compete ... (Score:2)
There is a long list of companies destroyed by MS and Gates from very early on in the 80s.
As if some open source devs never had dreams of replacing some commercial software. Microsoft was simply savvy in areas beyond coding, and was more successful as a result. More importantly, devs respecting each other does not mean we do not aggressively compete with each other at times.
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The guy has been out of the tech industry for a couple of decades now, and focuses on..... well doing good
Hm. His charitable donations require organizations to sign contracts with Microsoft. Yeah, real charity there Bill.
Re: And nearly all developers say ... (Score:1)
Found one
More Interestingly Torvalds and Cutler (Score:4, Interesting)
Have the famous Linux kernel lead and the NT/XP/Win server kernel lead ever met.. ?
Pretty sure Cutler used to have some harsh wordscabout Unix in the past
Re:More Interestingly Torvalds and Cutler (Score:5, Informative)
Re: More Interestingly Torvalds and Cutler (Score:2)
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> Same as using seconds since 1970 is the most robust time keeping solution (except we don't, as Unix time follows UTC, not TAC.)
I'm afraid Unix time is an abomination. It's one of those things that really can't be defended. The fact that we 27 seconds, so far, that we can't reference properly is terrible. The fact that 54 seconds are impacted by this is horrible.
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Yet, you had to restart NT to change its IP address.
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False. Windows NT prompted the user to restart to get the software running on the system to be in a sane state should it not cope with a changing IP address. But if you declined at the prompted dialogue box the IP address changed anyway and the system ran just fine.
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NT was better than Unix at that time.
In theory, on paper, yes.
In reality, when it comes to performance or security, never.
As it turns out, bullet points aren't as important as care and competence.
They both look pretty happy (Score:5, Funny)
They both look pretty content in that picture. Makes sense... Bill G got control of most of the world's laptops and desktops, while Linus got control of most of the world's servers and smartphones. It's almost like they decided to spilt the entire IT ecosystem in two, and also decided to keep Apple around for sport.
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Not sport, but for talking down anti-trust lawsuits, as in "we are not a monopoly, Mac also does desktop".
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They may have split the IT ecosystem but not the money.
Torvalds is a CS God. Cutler is a CS God. (Score:4, Insightful)
Not even a middle finger (Score:2)
Torvalds posed for the camera [arstechnica.com] when questioned about NVIDIA. I'm pretty sure I recognize one NV employee in the front row too (on the far right? I'll have to ask her next time I see her, even though it was a decade ago)
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To be fair, that was 13 years ago.
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Not following the driver story, but it seems that that particular middle finger is still somewhat relevant today.
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13 years is not nearly long enough for us to have changed our processes. ;-)
A serious effort was started to improve before Linus' criticisms (serious meaning management was on board). But it took a long time on the system-on-a-chip side (mobile) to see the results, where this criticism was directed. The old process was 1000 engineers write Linux patches, give it to 2 engineers to upstream with little context on why it is needed. It ended up being massive collection of patches necessary to boot and get basic
The trees cried (Score:1)
The Gates of Mordor opened up. (The door gates, not Bill.)
By the way, why does Bill look like he's wearing an Ed Sullivan body suit?
New Threats (Score:3)
Microsoft was (very deservedly) the big bad of Season 1.
Then Oracle had a few swings in Season 2, but they never had the same vibe.
Now we're in season 10 - the power scaling of the villans is getting a bit unrealistic if you ask me.
I see a Frozen joke here (Score:2)
Anybody? Anybody?
Re: Where are all the.. (Score:1)
What does that have to do with the article?
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Article features photo of 4 white middle aged men. Compare to any current advertising of tech/IT jobs or products. Duh.
Darn! Another theory blown out of the water (Score:5, Funny)
And, all this time, I was absolutely certain Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds where the same person...
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Whoops. Sorry I repeated your joke, but it was low-hanging fruit. I hope I extended it properly with the AI fakery aspect...
Wild guess (Score:1)
We want Linux on the Desktop. (Score:2)
it's about time.
WSL is not enough. We want Linux on the Desktop.
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Employer is slow to change.
IT is still Wintel focused.
CUTLER is a thief (Score:1)
Dave Cutler STOLE VMS from Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC).
When found guilty of "transferring" that tech to Microsoft for W/NT Microsoft agreed to put out Alpha/AXP chips for DEC and associated software.
Dave's no hero. He's a thief. Too many links, so google away.
Even W/NT was designed to be one letter above VMS, just like Space Oddyssey's HAL was one step away from IBM.
VMS was awesome but Dave Cutler (who helped develop v4 not v5) never understood it fully. Add in Bill Gates wanting everything WFW 3
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Craft beat Greed (Score:1)
Linux is a great story, inspired engineers vs corporate greed. The rebels vs. the empire.
I expect, "Yeah but I got a Ferrari, " is the Microsoft response. Save us from Corporate Sociopaths, they are eating the world.
That pic looks like a bad photoshop job (Score:2)