China on Cusp of Seeing Over 100 DeepSeeks, Ex-Top Official Says (yahoo.com) 27
China's advantages in developing AI are about to unleash a wave of innovation that will generate more than 100 DeepSeek-like breakthroughs in the coming 18 months, according to a former top official. From a report: The new software products "will fundamentally change the nature and the tech nature of the whole Chinese economy," Zhu Min, who was previously a deputy governor of the People's Bank of China, said during the World Economic Forum in Tianjin on Tuesday.
Zhu, who also served as the deputy managing director at the International Monetary Fund, sees a transformation made possible by harnessing China's pool of engineers, massive consumer base and supportive government policies. The bullish take on China's AI future promises no letup in the competition for dominance in cutting-edge technologies with the US, just as the world's two biggest economies are also locked in a trade war.
Zhu, who also served as the deputy managing director at the International Monetary Fund, sees a transformation made possible by harnessing China's pool of engineers, massive consumer base and supportive government policies. The bullish take on China's AI future promises no letup in the competition for dominance in cutting-edge technologies with the US, just as the world's two biggest economies are also locked in a trade war.
Confucius say: (Score:2)
Promises are like shit: everybody makes them and most stink badly.
Re: Confucius say: (Score:1)
That's because you are Chinese
Cusps (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem with being on the cusp of something is you still are totally not there, and no guarantee you will ever be there.
Re:Cusps (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem with being on the cusp of something is you still are totally not there, and no guarantee you will ever be there.
Corollary: the problem with not being on the cusp of something is you aren't nearly there, and you're guaranteed you won't be there soon.
All I'm saying is that while counting your chickens before they hatch isn't wise, recognizing that a clutch of eggs currently being incubated for what they are is.
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Nonsense. I'm thoroughly enjoying my practical fusion power plant!
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Competition is good for producing the best outcomes
No, its not. Cooperation is what creates the best outcomes.
the fear of being overtaken does more to keep someone on top than does any kind of desire to remain there absent competition
The desire to "stay on top" doesn't motivate anyone to climb higher if they can prevent everyone else from climbing higher. In fact, some people start to believe there is nowhere higher to go. There is nothing wrong with being competitive, but defining success solely by comparison to others is a guarantee for failure. Mountain climbing is a team effort. Like most human endeavors.
We need leaders who don't see everything as a game to be won
We need PEOPLE who aren't brainwashed into that way of thinking.
Zero sum imperialism (Score:4, Insightful)
Part of the populist appeal of Make America Great Again is the idea that we can turn back the industrial age to a time when the US was dominate in the realities of the post-war and Cold War economies. There is a fantasy that we can flip the switch of globalization off and the rest of the world will follow suit. Historians will be writing about the rise and fall of our Republic for centuries like it was some obvious cause and effect; even if most of us living through it have no idea what is going on. (P.S. the books will be written in Chinese)
Let 1000 coal plants choke the sky (Score:4, Funny)
More Lies. (Score:1)
Imagine that. Another "top official" lying about their advanced tech. This song is so old. Pick a new album please.
Unlikely. (Score:2)
The fundamental difference in DeepSeek is that it was equivalent to high-end models but used a fraction of the processing power. Assuming they all improved power efficiency, it's implausible for them to not conflict.
Zhu, who also served as the deputy managing director at the International Monetary Fund
I welcome all advances toward greater power efficiency but credibility-wise this guy is on par with every CEO of an AI company.
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I don't know what metrics people use, but DeepSeek was noticeably inferior in every task I applied, from programming to simple conversation (even if when I avoided taboo conversation topics about Tianamen or Pooh Bear, or Taiwans sovereignty).
All it really did is show people that they don't need to SAAS their LLM, they can have it in their pocket. That's a powerful economic weapon, and I intend to help them insofar as that continues to benefit my interests. The enemy of my enemy is my frenemy and all that.
... and China lies so who did they steal it from? (Score:1)
China has a long history of espousing itself as an innovator with technology that it actually is found later to have stolen, so it will be interesting to see what happens when you find out who they stole all this supposed innovation from.
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Boo... China bad...
USA is #1
China stands the most to lose from AI (Score:4, Interesting)
China is already struggling with having too many people and not enough jobs for them, unemployment is accelerating. Just imagine what will happen if they start automating. It'll put millions out of work. Something to think about.
This is already happening in the US to some extent, a lot of people (especially junior positions) can't find a job. Will unemployment happen like the AI tech bros think it will? Nope but it's already happening.
USA stands the most to lose from AI (Score:3, Informative)
Meanwhile China's Xi Jinping has re-embraced socialist values:
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Nothing to help except for unemployment.
Oh really? (Score:2)
I enjoyed watching Altman squirm at least as much as anyone, possibly more; but that didn't change the fact that deepseek developed an unexpectedly cheap way to do something that, so far, an entire industry is busy losing money on because the reality has had a desperately bad time living up to the hype.
If some of these 'deepseeks' end up delivering on things that
Ted Talk (Score:2)