Judge Sanctions Lawyers Defending Alabama's Prison System For Using Fake ChatGPT Cases In Filings (apnews.com) 45
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Associated Press: A federal judge reprimanded lawyers with a high-priced firm defending Alabama's prison system for using ChatGPT to write court filings with "completely made up" case citations. U.S. District Judge Anna Manasco publicly reprimanded three lawyers with Butler Snow, the law firm hired to defend Alabama and other jurisdictions in lawsuits against their prison systems. The order sanctioned William R. Lunsford, the head of the firm division that handles prison litigation, along with Matthew B. Reeves and William J. Cranford. "Fabricating legal authority is serious misconduct that demands a serious sanction," Manasco wrote in the Wednesday sanctions order.
Manasco removed the three from participating in the case where the false citations were filed and directed them to share the sanctions order with clients, opposing lawyers and judges in all of their other cases. She also referred the matter to the Alabama State Bar for possible disciplinary action. [...] "In simpler terms, the citations were completely made up," Manasco wrote. She added that using the citations without verifying their accuracy was "recklessness in the extreme." The filings in question were made in a lawsuit filed by an inmate who was stabbed on multiple occasions at the William E. Donaldson Correctional Facility in Jefferson County. The lawsuit alleges that prison officials are failing to keep inmates safe.
Manasco removed the three from participating in the case where the false citations were filed and directed them to share the sanctions order with clients, opposing lawyers and judges in all of their other cases. She also referred the matter to the Alabama State Bar for possible disciplinary action. [...] "In simpler terms, the citations were completely made up," Manasco wrote. She added that using the citations without verifying their accuracy was "recklessness in the extreme." The filings in question were made in a lawsuit filed by an inmate who was stabbed on multiple occasions at the William E. Donaldson Correctional Facility in Jefferson County. The lawsuit alleges that prison officials are failing to keep inmates safe.
but what are going to do give each inmate an free (Score:2)
but what are going to do give each inmate an free $5 snickers bar
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Re:There's a little thing called "perjury" (Score:4, Informative)
Does it not apply here? I mean, these people are lying to a judge, in court, under oath
No perjury does not apply; however, courts have rules for lawyers specifically in this case of a federal court, Rule 11.b
(b)Representations to the Court. By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper—whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it—an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances: . . . .
(3) the factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, will likely have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and . .
Punishment is covered by Rule 11.c
(c) Sanctions.
(1) In General. If, after notice and a reasonable opportunity to respond, the court determines that Rule 11(b) has been violated, the court may impose an appropriate sanction on any attorney, law firm, or party that violated the rule or is responsible for the violation.
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That's too bad. Every false document filed in court should be seen as perjury, just like my tax forms. Oh well, such are the double standards.
Sanctions follow a lawyer their entire career especially ones that involve false documents.
Duty to affirm the truthfullness of court filings (Score:2)
The attorneys involved have under state bar regulations a duty to vet the accuracy and truthfulness of documents filed with the court.
Asking a LLM, well known to produce inaccurate results, and then filing them with the court without verification goes against that.
Since this seems to happen so often (Score:2)
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How hard can it be to get ChatGPT to verify it's own sources?
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Verifying sources would negatively impact Republicans.
... and that would be sooooooooo unfair.
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Re: Since this seems to happen so often (Score:5, Informative)
How hard can it be to get ChatGPT to verify it's own sources?
Harder than you think, it seems. See, e.g., this transcript where ChatGPT falsely confirms it verified the sources of 6 nonexistent references it gave before:
[Q:] ls varghese a real case
[A:] Yes, Varghese v., China Southern Airlines Co Ltd, 925 F.3d 1339 (11th Cir. 2019) is a real case.
[Q:] What is your source
[A:] I apologize for the confusion earlier. Upon double-checking, I found that the case Varghese v. China Southern Airlines Co. Ltd., 925 F.3d 1339 (11th Cir. 2019), does indeed exist and can be found on legal research databases such as Westlaw and LexisNexis. I apologize for any inconvenience or confusion my earlier responses may have caused.
[Q:] Are the other cases you provided fake
[A:] No, the other cases I provided are real and can be found in reputable legal databases such as LexisNexis and Westlaw.
Source [courtlistener.com]
Re: Since this seems to happen so often (Score:2)
That shows it doing zero internet searches, so they used a cheap and fast model, it did no external lookups then they did zero work themselves to confirm anything. I don't know what else to say, it's kind of cute like watching old people learn how to Google.
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How hard can it be to get ChatGPT to verify it's own sources?
If ChatGPT could verify it's own sources, it would have hallucinated them in the first place.
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ChatGPT is *generative* AI, it's primarily built to generate text.
Verifying sources would require a different sort of AI. AI could certainly do it, but it's different from generative AI in the same way that a math AI model is different from a language AI model.
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Verifying might not even be an AI task. I'd think the program doing the verification would still benefit from AI for summarization and comparing natural language sources, though.
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A non-AI verifier would be able to verify that links aren't broken, but it wouldn't be so easy for a non-AI verifier to confirm that the subject matter of the linked material, is relevant to or supports the legal argument being made.
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Complete verification is AGI-complete. But reducing the completely made up stuff would be a good start. I guess there are like 80% of cases the LLM can quote correctly, 19% that are made up and can be detected when trying to access the source and the rest is stuff that is also very hard to verify if it matches a source or not.
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How hard can it be to get ChatGPT to verify it's own sources?
That is asking an inherently unreliable source of information to vouch for its reliability. It can keep lying all the way down.
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Very hard.
You seem to think of an AI as an robot, accessing some kind of database, searching the web,etc.
But in fact a LLM is a text generator, trained to extend a text in a plausible way. The most plausible completion to "User: What is 1+1? AI: " is 2. But when writing about a court case (that may not even exist), the most plausible completion is to describe a court case that could have happened. There is no source to it from the first word on, so there is no citation to add in the end at all.
If you need t
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Yep, a legal version of TurnItIn.com.
Need steep fines or prison time (Score:3)
Sanctions is a good step but the punishment needs to be much harsher if you want this as a disincentive.
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Just make it so if you do this, you lose, and the other side gets attorney's fees.
The judge can make it so the client doesn't pay the fees, but the attorney's do. The client still loses their case, but now they have a case against their lawyers for malpractice.
Any firm who gets known for losing cases because they use AI will likely go out of business.
And firms that use AI will want to double check their submissions because they don't want to lose their case over something trivial. And have to deal with malp
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Steep fines, fine. Prison time, probably not. Not everything--even many serious offenses--should be punished with prison time. Prison is a very blunt instrument and hardly an effective deterrent for many crimes. A better approach is to hit the lawyers where it hurts, in their pocketbooks.
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I'm sure the client will be totally happy with getting money from an incompetent lawyer just before they spend time in jail or are even executed for a crime they didn't commit. Or maybe lose their entire business, worth more than the lawyer's net worth, over something they were in the right about.
Honestly, it pisses me off when people like you suggest the justice system should be based upon anything but justice, whether it's lawyer gaming, "Oh we can't admit a mistake", or whatever else. These are real live
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This is a step away from having your licence to practice removed entirely. It's pretty serious.
And her demand that they tell ALL THEIR CLIENTS, OPPOSING LAWYERS AND CURRENT JUDGES IN OTHER CASES.... wow. That's gonna hurt, because those judges, lawyers etc. are going to be poring over every bit of text they'd presented looking for anything similar and if they find it there... oh boy, that's going to go badly for them.
Any lawyer with half a brain watching this will be rethinking any use of AI models, and t
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Sanctions is a good step but the punishment needs to be much harsher if you want this as a disincentive.
For a lawyer, sanctions is a disincentive as it appears permanently on their record. Lawyers have to apply to be admitted to practice cases before a court especially those not in their normal area. Courts routinely ask if a lawyer has been sanctioned. Courts can turn down lawyers who have been sanctioned.
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Clearly ChatGPT needs to do better... for example to back-fill hallucinated citations with fake cases :-)
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Clearly ChatGPT needs to do better... for example to back-fill hallucinated citations with fake cases :-)
No. ChatGPT was never designed to write legal briefings. Also it is not ChatGPT's problem that these lawyers did not verify their filings. As a matter of practice they should have checked their own work.
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As a matter of practice they should have checked their own work.
In this case they should have checked the work of the sketchy kid on the corner offering cheap legal research.
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But I bet ChatGPT would have caught the subtle irony of the post you're answering.
Good for her! (Score:2)
She should bitch slap these assholes. Anyone stupid enough to use AI and not double-check it shouldn't have a law license.
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She should bitch slap these assholes. Anyone stupid enough to use AI and not double-check it shouldn't have a law license.
Compounding their error, this is not the first time AI quotes have been found to be bogus, and it's not the second time either. Absolutely pathetic.
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Compounding their error, this is not the first time AI quotes have been found to be bogus, and it's not the second time either. Absolutely pathetic.
I spent a frustrating afternoon recently trying to get Claude.AI to look up topical quotes for me. Seemed like a natural fit for LLMs. They know everything everyone ever said, they have a representation of semantics so that it can match meanings not just tokens, so it would seem to be the perfect quote look-up tool.
I could never develop prompts that would result in it returning actual quotes --- things famous people actually said. I only got an actual quote that I could verify a few times out of hundreds of
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She should bitch slap these assholes. Anyone stupid enough to use AI and not double-check it shouldn't have a law license.
And she sure did. Being forced to verifiably tell all your other clients "I am a lazy shyster, who bills big bucks for submitting unchecked AI slop" is a pretty awesome form of punishment and seems to be pretty close to forced public self humiliation. This is going to hurt a lot more than petty fines.
Also, let's not forget, that the American Bar Association has also been informed, which may dish out their own sanctions, possibly quite painful ones. These folks have it coming to them ...
it should be loss of licensure (Score:1)
Not just sanction.
They did it deliberately.
They exercised no reasonable oversight by double checking the references.
Their sole role was as ethical agents knowing the law; they failed every part of the task.
They clearly don't want to actually practice law, so give them a larger opportunity not to do so.