Tesla Opens First Supercharger Diner in Los Angeles, with 80 Charging Stalls (cnbc.com) 101
Tesla open its first diner/Supercharger station Monday in Los Angeles, reports CNBC — an always-open two-story restaurant serving "classic American comfort food" next to 80-charging stalls surrounded by two 66-foot megascreens "playing a rotation of short films, feature-length movies and Tesla videos."
Tesla described the restaurant's theme as "retro-futuristic". (Tesla's humanoid robot Optimus was outside filling bags of popcorn.) There's souvenier cups, the diner's food comes in Cybertruck-shaped boxes, and the owner of a Tesla Model Y told CNBC "It feels kind of like Disneyland, but for adults — or Tesla owners." (And yes, one of the choices is a "Tesla Burger.")
"Less than 24 hours after opening, the line at the Tesla Diner stretched down the block," notes CNBC's video report. (One customer told CNBC they'd waited for 90 minutes to get their order — but "If you're a Tesla owner, and you order from your car ahead of time, you don't have to wait in line.")
The report adds that Elon Musk "says if the diner goes well, he's looking to put them in major cities around the world."
Tesla described the restaurant's theme as "retro-futuristic". (Tesla's humanoid robot Optimus was outside filling bags of popcorn.) There's souvenier cups, the diner's food comes in Cybertruck-shaped boxes, and the owner of a Tesla Model Y told CNBC "It feels kind of like Disneyland, but for adults — or Tesla owners." (And yes, one of the choices is a "Tesla Burger.")
"Less than 24 hours after opening, the line at the Tesla Diner stretched down the block," notes CNBC's video report. (One customer told CNBC they'd waited for 90 minutes to get their order — but "If you're a Tesla owner, and you order from your car ahead of time, you don't have to wait in line.")
The report adds that Elon Musk "says if the diner goes well, he's looking to put them in major cities around the world."
Tesla, get a real CEO (Score:1)
Re:Tesla, get a real CEO (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re: Tesla, get a real CEO (Score:2)
True genius is to replace gas pumps, slowly. (Score:2)
I think the true genius is taking something popular in the 1950s, a diner and adding an electrical outlet to it. Leon is a true genius.
No, its a PR stunt.
"True Genius" would probably not be looking to acquire new land and establish new charging stations. "True Genius" would probably recognize we have gone through a century long darwinian process locking optimal refueling locations and acquiring that land.
All we really need to do is take existing gas stations and slowly convert gas pumps to charging stations, in proportion to the local market's transition to EVs. Today? Maybe convert one pump at stations with 12 pumps.
Yes charging
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All we really need to do is take existing gas stations and slowly convert gas pumps to charging stations, in proportion to the local market's transition to EVs. Today? Maybe convert one pump at stations with 12 pumps.
True Genius would take it a step or two past that. For example, it is a rare exception for somebody to be able to fuel an ICE at home, mostly restricted to a few farmers. But "most" EV owners can easily do so.
This means that the optimal recharging locations and optimal refueling stations are actually somewhat different. Especially if you go from ~5 minutes attended fueling to ~15 minutes unattended charging.
The latter gives businesses a much better opportunity to sell EV owners more stuff when they stop
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True Genius would take it a step or two past that. For example, it is a rare exception for somebody to be able to fuel an ICE at home, mostly restricted to a few farmers. But "most" EV owners can easily do so.
Move current "EV" owners, which are generally the early adopter segment of the market. They are already taken care of, they segment already EV saturated. We've now moved on to the mass market segment. Again, different segment have different means, different circumstances, different options, different tolerances, different concerns, etc. Although public charging would be of interest to the early adopter segment when on a long road trip.
This means that the optimal recharging locations and optimal refueling stations are actually somewhat different. Especially if you go from ~5 minutes attended fueling to ~15 minutes unattended charging. The latter gives businesses a much better opportunity to sell EV owners more stuff when they stop by for charging.
Recall that I referred to starting with station that have 12+ pumps. Have
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Slightly over half the population live in SFD and can thus be assumed to be able to charge at home. Even then, charging options at both apartments and work centers is expanding.
That a "build it and they will come sort of wishfulness". Its guesswork.
I'd argue that it isn't any more guesswork than building a new McDonalds or Chick-fil-a. Wawa is a known successful model. Heck, the one closest to me also has a line of Tesla chargers.
Restaurants may not be the spur of the moment decision you are hoping for.
Doesn't need to be "spur of the moment". People get hungry, want food. Many older people also want out of the car for a while. Combining those t
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Slightly over half the population live in SFD and can thus be assumed to be able to charge at home.
You are making assumptions about means, risk tolerance, concerns, circumstances, etc that will result in many of these people not acting like early adopters of EVs. The product market fit that works for early adopters does not work for the main market. EVs need multiple product market fits for different market segments. This is what makes introducing a new technology so difficult, and take so long.
Technology Adoption Life Cycle [wikipedia.org]
Diffusion of Innovations [wikipedia.org]
That a "build it and they will come sort of wishfulness". Its guesswork.
I'd argue that it isn't any more guesswork than bui
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You are making assumptions about means, risk tolerance, concerns, circumstances, etc that will result in many of these people not acting like early adopters of EVs. The product market fit that works for early adopters does not work for the main market. EVs need multiple product market fits for different market segments. This is what makes introducing a new technology so difficult, and take so long.
Cell phones and Smart phones actually spread pretty dang quick.
And we have a number of EV "product market fits". We have everything from the Nissan Leaf to the Cybertruck, for example. Do we need even more models? Probably.
But I'd argue that a single "Tesla Diner" is more a market test than a serious effort to spread the concept. Also, that just replacing gas station pumps with EV chargers also doesn't acknowledge the very real differences between charging vs refueling.
You're probably going to want more
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You are making assumptions about means, risk tolerance, concerns, circumstances, etc that will result in many of these people not acting like early adopters of EVs. The product market fit that works for early adopters does not work for the main market. EVs need multiple product market fits for different market segments. This is what makes introducing a new technology so difficult, and take so long.
Cell phones and Smart phones actually spread pretty dang quick.
Cell phones and Smart phones went through the exact same process. Multiple market segments, all with users of means, risk tolerance, concerns, circumstances, etc. As described in the Technology Adoption Life Cycle and Diffusion of Innovations links you have.. For example first gen 1 iPhone was very much early adopter only.
And we have a number of EV "product market fits". We have everything from the Nissan Leaf to the Cybertruck
You are confusing product categories with product/market fit. The product/market fit would involve higher level economics issues like ease of charging for a demographic.
Also, that just replacing gas station pumps with EV chargers also doesn't acknowledge the very real differences between charging vs refueling.
What criticism of a
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Cell phones and Smart phones went through the exact same process. Multiple market segments, all with users of means, risk tolerance, concerns, circumstances, etc. As described in the Technology Adoption Life Cycle and Diffusion of Innovations links you have.. For example first gen 1 iPhone was very much early adopter only.
Gen 1 iPhone was a single model, the equivalent would be the Tesla Model S, or maybe even the Tesla Roadster.
Tesla currently offers the S, X, Y, 3, and Cybertruck. Because Musk has a gradeschooler's humor. That's 5 model lines.
Ford Mach-E
Chevy Bolt and EUV
Rivian R1T and R1S
Lucid Air
Volkswagen ID.4 and ID.Buzz
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Kia EV6
BMW i4 and iX.
The above looks like a pretty good number even for cellphone models.
I'm not going to say that more models wouldn't be good, that we aren't in a pause because early a
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Gen 1 iPhone was a single model, the equivalent would be the Tesla Model S, or maybe even the Tesla Roadster.
Again, you are confusing product categories with product/market fit. Each individual product has a product/market fit, and each individual product goes through the different segments identified in the Technology Adoption Life Cycle and Diffusion of Innovations links you have. One product that is a minor revision of a proven successful earlier model can benefit and get from segment to segment faster than a total redesign, but the segments are still there and they still slow down things. Each segment needs it
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Again, you are confusing product categories with product/market fit.
Then you're not properly explaining the difference. Personally, after a point it is a distinction without difference.
I'd point out that additional models are only needed if current models are hopelessly unfit for some segment of the life cycle.
There's a lot more that can sink a model than just that. Just being "ugly" can do it. Plus, competition is generally good, which means that you'll have 3-4 companies all competing for the same market segment (more or less), which tends to give customers better options at lower prices.
My point is that the current notion of acquiring new land and contracting new charger station have various flaws. That converting existing pumps at gas stations to chargers is like a far wiser move.
Well, of course, but it has its own benefits as well. You see, the existing pumps are part of the existing
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Again, you are confusing product categories with product/market fit.
Then you're not properly explaining the difference. Personally, after a point it is a distinction without difference.
Did you look at the two links provided above?
There's a lot more that can sink a model than just that. Just being "ugly" can do it.
That's part of product / market fit. Those Tesla photographers that did the Cybertruck are magicians. :-)
You see, the existing pumps are part of the existing paradigm, ...
That's why I said convert them slowly as the population switches from ICE to EV. Start with 1 charger at each station with 12+ pumps.
... "most" gas stations aren't necessarily going to be all that supportive of it, at least for now.
I think that statement is based on your assumption of mass conversion. Also, like oil companies think of themselves as energy companies now, gas stations will think of themselves as energy stations. They are not oblivious to the
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They tried the 1 charger thing, the problem that comes up is that that becomes a single point of failure - if it is broken or another car is currently using it, the driver is potentially in trouble.
It'd work for something where people stop for other things than just charging, to top off while handy, but it's the reason I recommend a minimum of 2-4 chargers in most cases.
And yeah, I should have probably said BP instead of Shell.
Different market segments behaving different is entirely possible, but I don't th
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Different market segments behaving different is entirely possible, but I don't think that the next segment is going to demand to charge outside of the home if they have one just to be different.
Please read the links. You do not understand the nature of the segments.
People may be in a segment that is hesitant because they cannot afford to add a personal charger. They may be a renter. Even if an owner that parking area may be a shared parking lot where an HOA or other management group might have to make the call, and they may not be so interested in one-off installations. Or the parking lots existing electrical wiring may not be able to support more than a handful of chargers, it any. The wiring
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Don't give reading assignments. Especially vague ones. Because guess what, I might just read them and come to different conclusions, which I have.
Renting is only a possible blocker, probably temporary. Chargers are already being installed at apartment complexes. Charging at work is always a possibility.
Cannot afford to add a personal charger: While every situation is different, many cars COME with chargers when you buy them, and install could be as low as a couple hundred and is often state and federal
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Don't give reading assignments.
When the other side does not understand a topic or concept, your solution is?
Especially vague ones.
They are not vague. They are introductions into complicated, well researched, wildly accepted concepts. With plenty of references for future study if interested.
Because guess what, I might just read them and come to different conclusions, ...
Different conclusions would be fair. There is nothing wrong with being in a small minority if you are at least well informed. which I have.
Apparently not given the constant misunderstanding of what puts different individuals in different segments.
Chargers are already being installed at apartment complexes.
Again, it varies wildly wi
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When the other side does not understand a topic or concept, your solution is?
Explain it. Especially don't give reading assignments that don't actually address what you're talking about.
Apparently not given the constant misunderstanding of what puts different individuals in different segments.
That's the problem. I DO understand. You haven't tweaked me properly apparently to make me state it. Your explanation of segments is very lacking.
I mean, this all started with me merely disagreeing that gas stations are a 1:1 swap, and I think even you've come to the conclusion that that's correct. I'd never dispute that a lot of gas station locations would be good EV charging locations as well.
C
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Again, different segment have different means, different circumstances, different options, different tolerances, different concerns, etc.
Those are the kinds of things that define a "segment". But its not at all clear what separates EV users into segments. Its not unlikely that the only thing unique about early adopters is that they adopted early.
This is a reasonable test of concept, but I am skeptical people are going to build their lives around charging options. Most people will charger at home at night or at work during the day. So the market for stand alone chargers is going to be largely driven by people who exceed their range limit in
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Again, different segment have different means, different circumstances, different options, different tolerances, different concerns, etc.
Those are the kinds of things that define a "segment". But its not at all clear what separates EV users into segments. It's not unlikely that the only thing unique about early adopters is that they adopted early.
Leading economists and investors disagree.
Technology Adoption Life Cycle [wikipedia.org]
Diffusion of Innovations [wikipedia.org]
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I should have been clear. The only thing unique "about their charging needs".
Its a collection of many things that combine to drop people into buy now, maybe buy later, wait until some problems are fixed, wait until its working well for most people, etc. Paraphrasing very loosely, the categories defined by researchers are a little different.
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Why gas stations? Electricity is everywhere, so why make a separate stop to charge my car when it would be more convenient to just charge at the grocery store, restaurant, hotel, mall, etc. while I'm spending time there anyway.
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Why gas stations?
Optimal locations. Owners and management that are accustomed to ongoing maintenance. Beyond Tesla's network, there is a maintenance problem.
so why make a separate stop to charge my car when it would be more convenient to just charge at the grocery store, restaurant, hotel, mall, etc. while I'm spending time there anyway.
Because these locations are going to be very slow to deploy chargers and problem not more than a couple showcase chargers. My main argument is against the notion that we need to go out and acquire new land and build new charging stations like so many government programs seem to suggest, the "build new infrastructure" notion. I think "convert existing infrastructure as n
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That's part of the issue, they should be about cars first and foremost. All those other things cannot support themselves without the cars.
Tesla investors are growing wary of Elon Musk’s futuristic promises [cnbc.com]
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"Genius" is not general purpose, usually focused (Score:2)
Especially if Musk actually founds a new political party as he claims. At that point, he should quit trying to lead Tesla and SpaceX. But he didn't during DOGE, which he also should have, so...
His DOGE term ended. Let him drop politics. His actually skill set seems a better fit with Cars, Rockets, and Tunneling. His visit to politics a classical mistake many geniuses make. Thinking that genius in one area suggests genius level abilities in other areas. "Genius" is not general purpose, usually focused in a narrow niche. And even if one is a political genius, it takes a near lifetime of practice to get anything actually done in such a hostile environment.
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I'm curious if any follow through will happen on that front. I'm kind of doubting it, as soon as any kind of feasibility study is done on the subject he'll be told that him pissing off about half the country kind of means such an idea is dead in the water. At least with him at the helm.
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Elon has said that, in the future, Tesla will make far more money selling robots than cars.
The projected cost of the Optimus is $30k. If it can cook, clean, and mow the grass, I'd buy one.
If it's integrated with a Realdoll [realdoll.com], so I can have sex with it, I'd pay even more.
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For 30K, it needs to have a realist female form and be fuckable.
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Why only female? What about women and gays? Don't they deserve service as well? And why only f***ing - how boring!
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Why only female?
Because I'm not a homo.
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Tech Bro just invented the petrol station with attached shop/restaurant. Those things we have had for decades, and which (at least in Europe) many charger locations are modelled on already.
As for Tesla's robots, they are rubbish and the demos were rigged. Their solar and battery offerings are over-priced.
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Do tell me more about their battery offerings.
For house scale backup systems there are some with lower dollar per KWh, but those are heavily weighted to enthusiast barebones systems that will require a lot of addons, labor and know how. If you are going to go with Enphase or Genrerac or another of the big all-in-wonder brands you'll be dropping more per KWh.
There are reasons to not go with Tesla. They don't make it really reasy to integrate with gear outside the Tesla ecosystem. Generator support blows.
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It's probably worse in the US, most things related to solar are. In Europe there are loads of really good off the shelf options. Every solar installer will offer you a battery system.
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In other words, Tesla is so quirky. Hopefully the knuckleheads at Hyundai and Stellantis have some restaurants in the pipeline - unless they want to miss the boat! But if they play their cards right, they too could have a Twitter entourage to rival Tesla's.
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Forget about cars, solar, batteries, robotaxi, robots.
Cheeseburgers are the future for this meme stock.
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Re:American Comfort Food (Score:5, Funny)
"I hope they vegan options."
The cars have vegan leather.
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Here's the menu [tesla.com].
It doesn't look good for vegans, which is weird since it's in LA, where veggies and vegans are common, and the overlap between veganism and EV ownership is high.
Most restaurant owners understand that if a group of ten people go out to eat, they aren't going to a restaurant without vegan options if even one of the ten is vegan.
And, no, salad and fries are not enough.
Disclaimer: I'm a veggie but not a vegan.
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"And, no, salad and fries are not enough."
Especially those who use animal fat for the fries.
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I'm sure water will be served. Vegans can just drink that.
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At Tesla charging stations? In California? They'd better have.
They don't.
Here's the menu [tesla.com].
There are no vegan entrees.
A lot of people are giving them grief about the menu on social media, so it may change soon.
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I hope not. I'm not interested in contributing to the destruction of rain forests [wikipedia.org].
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Yep, burgers, fires, and shakes. You visit the Tesla Diner a lot to get a zap for your car and eat, then later you need a zap for your heart too.
Re:So, the industry admits (Score:5, Insightful)
So, the industry admits you have to kill time to charge your "electric car".
This has never been a secret, denied, or - in most cases - a problem.
An hour and a half every 4-500km is certainly excessive
Indeed. Which is why the industry has moved on from 2010 charging curves. My car can add 200km of range in 13 minutes and is focused on performance, not range. It also costs me $9 CDN per month to charge it at home for an amount of driving that cost nearly $300/mo in the previous, ICE vehicle. So yeah, for the zero times a year I need to drive a few thousand kilometers I'd have to take a pee break every couple hours, but that would give me time to hit Slashdot and shoot down rando AC posters who make stuff up.
small wonder "electric cars" only sell where there is a handout.
I mean... hey, more fabrication. Neat. The only incentive available on my car: is fucking awesome.
I get it you're trolling, but hey... maybe next time try some arguments from this decade?
Re:So, the industry admits (Score:4, Insightful)
If he could do math he wouldn't have bought a Tesla in the first place.
All Teslas are EVs. Some EVs are Teslas. Figure it out, eh?
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Come on, buddy, you got owned so completely that there's no weaseling out of it.
AC gave me one of the best laughs on slashdot for the week, that's why I always read at -1.
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It also costs me $9 CDN per month to charge it at home for an amount of driving that cost nearly $300/mo in the previous, ICE vehicle.
LOL. Let's see...
$300 in gasoline is 250 liters at the lowest price in Canada that I can see online. For a car that does 9 l/100km that's about 2800 km. $9CDN appears to buy approximately 100kWh at the lowest rate I can see. This is 1.2 model Y charges, which is about 330km of real-life driving, or nearly 9 times less than that $300.
But let's hear more about this "fabrication". Add in "regenerative braking" for extra credit, LOL.
I was driving a Charger Hellcat. Round it down to three tanks a month. 70L tank. Checking the last full month I had the car (August into September), I was paying $1.925/L and put in 247.651L. So that was a $476.72 month which worked out to 1,291km driven. I was getting around 15MPG, doing mostly city driving. But hey... I was only literally tracking every drop of gas that went into the car and every kilometer driven for six years (and a decade prior in the previous car).
My current car is an Ioniq 5N, which has a real-life highway range of about 380km in similar conditions. Again... that's highway, which is worst-case for the EV, just as city was worst-case for the Hellcat. It charges from 20% to 80% in 13 minutes, real-world. That 60% charge increase means 228km of range.
I spoke of my home charging costs (which is almost all of the driving I do, directly competing with the Hellcat's city values in August/September). My electricity bills have gone up an average of $36 a month year-over-year. I charge the car weekly. Four weeks in a month... 36/4 = 9.
Regenerative braking is just part of owning an EV and is (part of) why city is better than highway.
So I don't really know where you think fabrication is coming from here. I did my damned homework, I drove my cars, I tracked the hell out of the numbers and while a bunch of the above are averages, I'm the OCD type who has been tracking fuel consumption and driving patterns for oh... the last 16 years, 135,198 miles, $40,681.84 of ICE and somewhat under a year and a bit under 10,000km and around $300 in (home) electricity plus about $125 spent at L2 chargers for the few times I had a trip that exceeded my range.
So hey. I spoke of my experience with my vehicles. And I was replying to a clown saying it takes 90 minutes of charging for ~450km of range, which was deeply, deeply bullshit for 2025.
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https://financialpost.com/comm... [financialpost.com]
EVs a fabulous option for affluent early adopters (Score:3)
This has never been a secret, denied, or - in most cases - a problem.
Actually that is a problem, and it's a large part of the slowdown in sales. EVs are a fabulous option for affluent early adopter personalities that can add a charger to their home. Plug in every night. Wake to a full charge.
But that is only one segment of the market, a small section. The "Technology Adoption Life Cycle" argues that the market typically has 5 very different segments. Each with potential customers with very different means, tolerances, and aspirations. A company basically needs a different
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That's great, if you own or rent your own house. However, in many of the biggest cities, most of the affluent live in luxury apartments in high-rise buildings near the center of town. Yes, they come with underground parking, but unless those buildings are either very new or recently
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Actually that is a problem, and it's a large part of the slowdown in sales. EVs are a fabulous option for affluent early adopter personalities that can add a charger to their home. Plug in every night. Wake to a full charge. That's great, if you own or rent your own house. However, in many of the biggest cities, most of the affluent live in luxury apartments in high-rise buildings near the center of town. Yes, they come with underground parking, but unless those buildings are either very new or recently upgraded, they don't come with chargers, and installing them is going to be a major expense for the owners, which is going to be passed on to the tenants, along with the time that the spaces aren't available because the charging equipment's being installed, much of it under the floor. What do you think all of those rich early-adopters are going to do about that?
Before the majority of the of the market does. See second paragraph regarding "Technology Adoption Life Cycle".
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This slowdown in sales is pretty much entirely confined to North America. Everywhere else, there is no such slowdown, and market penetration continues to increase year on year.
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It’s picked right back up again. Sure, growth isn’t smooth, and there are phases of higher and lower growth, but the growth trajectory remains very clear outside NA
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"Retro-futuristic"? LOL (Score:2)
I guess that's how you spell "cringeworthy" in "Starbase", Texas.
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"Retro-futuristic"? guess that's how you spell "cringeworthy" in "Starbase", Texas.
A simple image search of "retro-futuristic diner" [duckduckgo.com] shows that multiple sources envision similar appearances which means the name of aesthetic is accurate.
If you dislike the aesthetic then that is OK but don't let your dislike of Elon Musk alter your perspective of reality.
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It isn't me who brought the Ozempic-guzzling grifter's name into the conversation, Shirley, it was you.
I guess you harbour some deep feelings for him which is OK, but don't assume anyone else cares about your special interest.
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It isn't me who brought the Ozempic-guzzling grifter's name into the conversation,
Correct. Your highly acidic reaction to news about Tesla made your feelings quite evident. My issue is that you have taken this feeling it applied it universally to everything related. What you are doing is utilizing emotional logic which is not recommended as it is the root cause of most suffering throughout history.
I guess you harbour some deep feelings for him which is OK
Quite the opposite. While I dislike him, I don't care about him and I encourage you to do the same because he's not worth the effort. That said, you are free to impugn him as much as you like b
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No need for these vehement denials, Shirley, really :))))
Showing movies with only 80 spots? (Score:2)
Only 80 charging spots for an operation like that? That strikes me as a problem when people are parked in these spots for the full length of a movie.
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Only 80 charging spots for an operation like that? That strikes me as a problem when people are parked in these spots for the full length of a movie.
All stalls have congestion charging. No one is going to sit around for the movie that costs them $1 / minute to watch.
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California now trying to ban Tesla sales because Orange Man Bad.
Except this is about Tesla repeatedly using misleading language about its "autopilot". Just reading the article you cited they've been getting in trouble with the fed and other states for this exact same thing as well.
Here's a source on the subject that doesnt spend 90% of the article talking about something else https://www.the-independent.co... [the-independent.com] . Turns out Tesla is violating a state law passed in 2023 and that's what this is all based on so this has been in the works for a while now.
Sure ruins your whole
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Oh please. Musk has been telling the full self driving lies for a decade. Why notice now?
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Because the law that is now being used in this court case was only passed in 2023 and it takes time for government to address these things.
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2023 you say? Better late than never I suppose. I wonder what was happening with Elon around that time. Surely a coincidence I'm sure.
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Surely a conspiracy I'm sure.
How much power? (Score:2)
Trying to find out how much power they have. There is no way in Hell that they have 80 fully powered superchargers. They may have 80 superchargers installed, but I would be surprised to hear that they have even 45kW per charger.
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It's a massive battery to battery system. They also have what looks like an entire commercial block worth of solar panels over the parking bays (which won't make much of a difference). Combine that with the dirty secret that Tesla's finest cars can't use the V4 superchargers at anywhere near their rated power output thanks to their antiquated battery design and it becomes a bit more realistic.
That being said, I suspect they couldn't keep all 80 chargers going the entire day. They must be relying on peaks an
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Wow, an actual thoughtful reply. Thank you very much.
People get bent out of shape when I point out that those solar panels won't make a bit of difference. They won't even do a single charger. Then, when I say that what they do is say that "we installed 200 super chargers", this is true. They did install the chargers, but those chargers are not any where near fully powered. Nor are they likely to be anytime soon.
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Question is, do they really have to be? We all know ISPs oversell their backhaul, for example. That gigabit connection won't be a gigabit if everybody in the area is trying to download at full speed at the same time.
Same deal with charging EVs, I think. Put more chargers in, preferably capable of full speed individually, but what are the odds that you'd get 80 cars in during the exact same 15 minutes? That every single one of them would be properly preconditioned for a full speed charge?
If you have a fe
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It all depends on the expected power draw per charger per 24 hours. UK utilisation for rapid chargers (not just Tesla) is about 3 hours out of 24, so it’s possible to use that to figure out the maths. I can’t quite be arsed, but I’d bet that would amount to a power draw per charger where solar could supply some reasonable proportion if the same draw were replicated in California, given the decent insolation there. I could be wrong, because I’ve not run the numbers, and obviously how
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Well, given people are likely going to be at the diner for a full hour eating, there is less need to give everyone 320kW that gets them charged up in 20 minutes. That's just silly. If you're going to spend an hour, then you tailor the fast charging to give you 80% in around an hour,
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Agreed. So 50kW x 80 is 4mW capacity.
Diner may not be a well designed. (Score:3)
I certainly hope that Tesla took serious time to consider which materials they used to build the diner or outsourced the design to someone with significant experience in designing buildings for the fast food industry.
I say this because the photos show a lot of white [cnbc.com] which, depending on what it's made of, can quickly turn a shade of yellow. Ideally, you would want a material covered in titanium dioxide, a white pigment that doesn't fade. They also have a lot of dark surfaces which is equally problematic because with time, clear protective layers may not remain clear, especially if the cleaning solutions begin to interact with the surface.
Most importantly, having bright white and dark black everywhere means an increased amount cleaning because everything is highly visible on the walls which is problematic in the tight spaces where corners meet. You can see rounded black arch entry/exit is offset from the wall which will need to be wiped down because dust and grease accumulate. The rate of accumulation of course depends on what the surface is made of, how well it ages, and how well it reacts to cleaning solutions.
There is a reason that McDonald's has switched to gray tones, minimal contrast, and simplified architecture: it's lower maintenance and lasts longer. I'm pretty sure they also have a standardized cleaning solution to minimize damage.
Ionna (Score:2)
https://www.ionna.com/ [ionna.com]
Okay, but Tesla's got a bigger problem (Score:2)
Musk seems to have pulled off the impossible - thoroughly torching his relationship with both the left and the right. And the windmills-cause-cancer right wasn't all that likely to buy into the electric car concept in the first place.
Perhaps non-Tesla NACS-compatible cars will be allowed to use this?
Hollywood? (Score:2)
Kinda sorta thought it'd be near a major freeway so travelers could access it quickly. Being in Hollywood means being really inconvenient from a traveler's perspective, unless of course this becomes a scenic destination...
Lame (Score:2)
This is lame. Tesla needs to see a Bucee's.
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Or even just a Wawa. They have the ability to do burgers and subs, even vegan options. Plenty of drinks and snackfood available. Fresh fruit even.
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Wawa doesn't have 80 pumps, like Tesla Diner has chargers.
But, there's more than one Bucee's that has 96 - 120 pumps and the restaurant and store are yuge!
Many shitty photos (Score:4, Informative)
https://www.captainelectro.com... [captainelectro.com]
Zom-Zom's ? (Score:2)
... ...
Come to Zom-Zom's, a place to eat
Like it was built in one day
You can watch the humans trying to run
Oh look, there's a rape machine
I'd go outside if it'd look the other way
You wouldn't believe the things they do
(Down in the Park / Gary Numan)
holy shit get a life (Score:2)
I have better things to do than watch my car charge. I could be mowing my weeds or pulling leaves out of the gutters.
bar (Score:2)
I'm still waiting for the supercharger bar.
Owning a Tesla is Immoral (Score:2)