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Microsoft Sued Over Plans to Discontinue Windows 10 Support (courthousenews.com) 269

Posted by EditorDavid from the breaking-Windows dept.
xA California man sued Microsoft Thursday over its plan to stop supporting Windows 10 on October 14th, reports Courthouse News Though Windows 11 was launched nearly four years ago, many of its billion or so worldwide users are clinging to the decade-old Windows 10... According to StatCounter, nearly 43% of Windows users still use the old version on their desktop computers....

"With only three months until support ends for Windows 10, it is likely that many millions of users will not buy new devices or pay for extended support," Klein writes in his complaint. "These users — some of whom are businesses storing sensitive consumer data — will be at a heightened risk of a cyberattack or other data security incident, a reality of which Microsoft is well aware...." According to one market analyst writing in 2023, Microsoft's shift away from Windows 10 will lead millions of customers to buy new devices and thrown out their old ones, consigning as many as 240 million PCs to the landfill....

Klein is asking a judge to order Microsoft to continue supporting Windows 10 without additional charge, until the number of devices running the older operating system falls bellow 10% of total Windows users. He says nothing about any money he seeking for himself, though it does ask for attorneys' fees.

Microsoft did not respond to an email requesting a comment.
The complaint also requests an order requiring Microsoft's advertising "to disclose clearly and prominently the approximate end-of-support date for the Windows operating system purchased with the device at the time of purchase" or at least "disclose that support is only guaranteed for a certain delineated period of time without additional cost, and to disclose the potential consequences of such end-of-support for device security and functionality."

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  • Microsoft vs. Customers (Score:3, Insightful)

    by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @07:57AM (#65579142)

    >"With only three months until support ends for Windows 10, it is likely that many millions of users will not buy new devices or pay for extended support," Klein writes in his complaint."

    Yeah, welcome to commercial software since, I don't know, forever. If you don't want to play that game and/or pay, then install Linux. And then you will get updates and upgrades regularly for free AND have much more control, security, and privacy.

    >"These users â" some of whom are businesses storing sensitive consumer data â" will be at a heightened risk of a cyberattack or other data security incident, a reality of which Microsoft is well aware...."

    Indeed. And those businesses should be held liable and accountable for their decisions and actions. That doesn't mean Microsoft is.

    >"Microsoft's shift away from Windows 10 will lead millions of customers to buy new devices and thrown out their old ones, consigning as many as 240 million PCs to the landfill...."

    And probably almost all those could run Linux just fine and perform better than they were with MS-Windows 10 or could with 11. Instead of wasting effort/time/money attacking Microsoft, attack the vendors who continue to put out commercial software/products without Linux (or often even MacOS) support. And if you want to attack Microsoft, then go after them as a near-monopoly using monopolistic tactics like forcing unnecessary "requirements" for running MS-Windows 11.

    >"He says nothing about any money he seeking for himself"

    Just the goodness of his heart and to better society at large. But will continue to use religiously use Microsoft's products.

    >"The complaint also requests an order requiring Microsoft's advertising "to disclose clearly and prominently the approximate end-of-support date[...]"

    That I could get behind. Consumer education and disclosure is always good. Of course, how many will actually read all that is another issue.

    • Re:Microsoft vs. Customers (Score:4, Informative)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @08:28AM (#65579170)

      >"The complaint also requests an order requiring Microsoft's advertising "to disclose clearly and prominently the approximate end-of-support date[...]"

      That I could get behind. Consumer education and disclosure is always good. Of course, how many will actually read all that is another issue.

      This is what is known as a frivolous suit. Microsoft have always maintained a lifecycle list for all it's products, Windows 10 included. There's a whole section of their website dedicated to it where you can search by specific product version: https://learn.microsoft.com/en... [microsoft.com]

      • Re:Microsoft vs. Customers (Score:5, Insightful)

        by r1348 ( 2567295 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @09:38AM (#65579260)

        Except that they won't tell you when Windows 11 support ends: https://learn.microsoft.com/en... [microsoft.com]

        "in support" is not an answer.

        • To grab onto the parent comment, if they always maintained the lifecycle list for products have they always put an end date for their current OS before the next version has been announced?

          If they did that how many people would freak out that there is no next version and Windows is just ending forever after that date? That sounds silly and is silly but if I were on the customer service team I would probably field a few calls a day about that.

        • Re:Microsoft vs. Customers (Score:5, Informative)

          by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @11:18AM (#65579396) Journal

          Didn't Microsoft originally claim that Windows 10 would be the last version ow Windows, with, one assumes, endless updates?

          https://www.pcworld.com/articl... [pcworld.com]

          • Didn't Microsoft originally claim that Windows 10 would be the last version ow Windows, with, one assumes, endless updates?

            Two issues.

            1) Yes, but the "last version" does not imply every future update to that same version will run on the same hardware, and Microsoft's lifecycle has always limited prior minor releases get EOL'd usually with only a couple of years support. For example Windows 10 - 1507 the original release ended support in 2017, back then the policy of Windows 10 being the "last version" was still in place.

            2) Yes, but you have to be incredibly dumb to think that any corporate policy outlives it's leadership. Windo

          • Yes, yes they did.

            I didn't believe them then either.

        • "in support" is not an answer.

          Each individual current version of Windows has a support end date which gives you several years notice. It's standard practice not only in software, but across all industries to not give an end of support deadline when you have no current roadmap for replacing a product (which Microsoft doesn't for Windows 11). Literally the second Windows 11 was announced an end of support plan was provided for Windows 10 - with many MANY years notice.

          This is a completely frivolous complaint, especially since it's not abou

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by gruhnj ( 195230 )

          Microsoft does say when Windows 11 support ends. Under the same line you reference there are releases each of which has a defined support period of roughly 2 years. Should Windows 12 be announced, I'm sure the "In support" will itself get an end date which will be the same as the latest release as of that time.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by gweihir ( 88907 )

        You are thinking professional IT. As Microsoft sells to end-users, this is meaningless.

      • Its not about lifecycle, its about installing (Score:4, Insightful)

        by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @01:09PM (#65579618)

        This is what is known as a frivolous suit. Microsoft have always maintained a lifecycle list for all it's products ...

        Yes, but it never prevented installation on old hardware arbitrarily like Win 11. If you wanted to, you could install a newer version of Windows on that old hardware. Performance may suck due to the CPU and RAM, maybe your ancient video card didn't have a driver. You won't get any more patches. But you could upgrade that box and if not connected to the internet safely use it. Yeah, that old 16-bit 286 could not run 32-bit Windows, but that's a reasonable limitation, something not arbitrary.

        Win 11 is refusing to install on many machines that it would otherwise run well enough on. I have such a system a ten year old i7 with 32GB of RAM and a RTX 4060 Ti. That 6th gen (?) i7 only has 4 cores but its equivalent to a Win 11 compatible i3.

      • This is what is known as a frivolous suit. Microsoft have always maintained a lifecycle list for all it's products, Windows 10 included. There's a whole section of their website dedicated to it where you can search by specific product version

        Can toaster manufacturers whose defective products burn down peoples homes play the same game? Publish a lifecycle list and absolve yourself of all liability... the ultimate one weird trick.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by nlc ( 10289693 )
      Linux doesn't really solve the problem of wanting to use a 10 year old version of software AND have it supported. Long Term Support in the Linux world usually means 5 years tops then you either pay money or upgrade. You could make an argument about the TPM requirement but you have to go back nearly 8 years to find a CPU that doesn't have one built-in. The vast majority of people running Windows 10 today could upgrade to Windows 11 for free.
      • I haven't thought this through very well but why doesn't Microsoft have a third party provide support after they're done? You can buy aftermarket parts for your car... Doesn't a few companies already have Windows source code (locked down via NDA)? Microsoft might not want this to happen as it could divert users away from their cash cow, whatever the latest OS is. Some people might trust a third party more than Microsoft, given their history, depending on who was running the company. Imagine in 2025 buying s

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by AnnoyingBastard ( 8138122 )
        Do you have any metrics to back up the claim that the vast majority of people could upgrade to Windows 11? Considering that the current Windows 11 release only supports 11th gen Intel CPUs and up, I very much doubt that covers the 'vast majority of people' who are on Windows 10.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by markdavis ( 642305 )

        >"Linux doesn't really solve the problem of wanting to use a 10 year old version of software AND have it supported. Long Term Support in the Linux world usually means 5 years tops then you either pay money or upgrade."

        It means after X years, you click on the "upgrade" button instead of the "update" button and wham, you are on the latest version of the distro, instead of updating an old one. And it is free (unless you are using some commercial Linux). And it very rarely requires you replace any hardware

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by hjf ( 703092 )

          LOL you wish. I literally just upgraded from debian 12 to 13 in a VM and guess what? Now my KDE is broken, all apps are disappeared, and open-vm-tools isn't working anymore.

          And I've had to work on machines with "ancient" debian versions such as... 10! and guess what? The repos no longer work (they may have been moved to archive.debian.org instead of debian.org), and not even the signing keys have been updated.

          So no. you can't just click "upgrade" and linux will magically update itself. Stop spreading this b

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by hjf ( 703092 )

        Adding to this, in the open source world, there are quite a few people sick with "versionitis". The kind of people who refactor for pure joy. But refactoring means "let's break the API because I don't like the name of this property". Anyone who had to endure JS packages knows this. Even very big and popular packages, such as react-query, suffer from this. Don't let me get started on react-router.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by PDXNerd ( 654900 )

        Linux doesn't really solve the problem of wanting to use a 10 year old version of software AND have it supported.

        Linux, as a kernel and ecosystem, have totally solved this problem. Seems that support only is removed from the kernel after 30 years, or when no one is reported as using something anymore. And then if you stand up to say "I'll support this myself", its left in, generally, and if its not you're welcome to fork and support it with your customers.

        Perhaps you meant ubuntu or redhat? You can install arch linux on some seriously old crap and have it working, with security updates, for as long as you roll with t

      • Linux doesn't really solve the problem of wanting to use a 10 year old version of software AND have it supported.

        What? There are programs in Linux that are decades old.

        Long Term Support in the Linux world usually means 5 years tops then you either pay money or upgrade.

        That is not how LTS works in the Linux world. There is no "paying money". Users can upgrade or they can maintain a LTS branch themselves forever if they want. Linux is open source.

        You could make an argument about the TPM requirement but you have to go back nearly 8 years to find a CPU that doesn't have one built-in.

        Only highly secure versions of Linux require TPM. Linux in general does not.

        The vast majority of people running Windows 10 today could upgrade to Windows 11 for free.

        And the vast majority of people running Windows could upgrade to Linux for free too.

      • Somewhat famously, you can take code written for an IBM 360, recompile it on a modern z/system, and it will happily run, interfacing with virtualized card punch machines and tape drives. You pay through the nose for this level of support, of course, but that's why banks and credit card companies do.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by sjames ( 1099 )

        Ubuntu LTS has 10 years + an extra two of "legacy" support.

    • Re:Microsoft vs. Customers (Score:5, Informative)

      by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @08:59AM (#65579198)

      Indeed. And those businesses should be held liable and accountable for their decisions and actions. That doesn't mean Microsoft is.

      Those small businesses are making a decision to purchase products which have advertised uses, but they are receiving a product that contains fundamental defects (security loopholes), and Microsoft already knows and expects such defects to exist and are likely to be found - hence the program of regular "updates".

      In reality Microsoft ought to be liable to furnish a repair for any defects that existed their product at the time of sale that made the goods nonvonforming. The updates are fixing known latent defects, which the customer could not have been reasonably expected to discover.

      Under the Uniform Commercial Code 2-608 this discovery of a latent defect causing nonconformity of the goods that existed at the time of sale but could not be reasonably discovered by the buyer due to the seller's failure to disclose the specific nonconformity can be grounds for revoking acceptance of goods; meaning that the sale of goods never completed.

      But I don't see how the guy thinks you can sue Microsoft and demand an order forcing them to continue an update service. That is not how any of this works.. by using the product you agree to a EULA which waives any such obligations from Microsoft. And even if you do have a product liability claim - your remedy is money damages.
      For example: the price you paid for your copy of Windows 10.

      Specific performance does not exist in warranty law. If you buy a used car that turns out to be defective - you can go to court and demand money damages, and it's the only kind of remedy available. But if you go ask to have an order requiring that they specifically repair all damage to your car and provide free corrections for the next year; you would be laughed out of court. You do not get specific performance for any repairable damages that can be corrected by paying money. If you paid for a product which is broken or non-functional, then your loss is reparable through a refund, so you can't get a court order requiring future service. You also can't get attorneys fees except in extraordinary cases where the law provides it, and there's no law for software warranty that provides for attorneys' fees.

      The Microsoft EULA also has to be somehow overcome which means that if you used the software; you already agreed there's no warranty.

    • "And probably almost all those could run Linux just fine and perform better than they were with MS-Windows 10 or could with 11."

      I'm not sure why Linux devotees are so consistently delusional about this.

      It's simply not true. Almost nobody who plays games, for example, could play as easily or better on Linux.

      • >>"And probably almost all those could run Linux just fine and perform better than they were with MS-Windows 10 or could with 11."

        >" I'm not sure why Linux devotees are so consistently delusional about this. It's simply not true."

        It absolutely *is* true. I have tons of first-hand experience with it.

        >"Almost nobody who plays games, for example, could play as easily or better on Linux"

        And, yet, I believe the vast super-majority of these people are not trying to play the latest games. And we are

      • I'm not sure why Linux detractors so consistently use outdated information about this. Have you tried Linux in the past ~5 years? Steam (even with non-Steam games), Lutris, and Heroic have made it easy, and games run better when the hardware is able to be used to run the game instead of running the bloat of Windows.

        Some specific games won't run on Linux due to the anti-cheat, but almost all gamers can do without those games (and if they would for a little while and say why, more developers would make the

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by 2TecTom ( 311314 )

      Of course, none of this would be necessary if we hadn't allowed micro$oft to corrupt our markets and our governments, this is exactly what classism and corruption looks like

      these evil people ripped us all off and sold us all out

    • I'm tired of hearing that Linux is a great alternative for older PCs. I recently installed Kubuntu onto a MacBook Air (2011) and:

      * the current version's installer (25.04) hangs on boot, so I had to install a previous version and upgrade (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2105402)
      * it takes 20 seconds to wake from sleep (like https://askubuntu.com/questions/1434722/macbook-takes-20-seconds-to-wake-up)
      * wifi occasionally drops out for a minute or two then comes back; I'm trying to update th

    • Re:Microsoft vs. Customers (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @11:01AM (#65579364)

      Yeah, welcome to commercial software since, I don't know, forever. If you don't want to play that game and/or pay, then install Linux.

      Because this is an OS - and one which, in the vast majority of cases, came as part of the computer purchase - I don't think the "commercial software" argument applies. In the first place, lack of a single software package means the loss of a limited amount of functionality, whereas lack of an OS turns the computer into a brick. In the second place, from what I've read there seems to be copious evidence that Microsoft purposely and frivolously made Windows 11 incompatible with older hardware in order to boost its hardware partners' sales.

      At some point, a lot of the software which is defended as the perpetual and exclusive property of the companies which created it really becomes a de facto part of the commons. It's effectively societal infrastructure, and Windows is a great example of this. For that reason, legislative intervention isn't merely desirable; it's a moral, philosophical, and practical necessity.

      For most average computer users - and average small businesses - switching to Linux is simply unworkable. That's especially true given all the critical software which will run only on Windows, and - more relevant to my argument - Microsoft's legendary efforts to entrench Office by making it as hard as possible to write software which works with its proprietary file formats.

      Historically, Microsoft has been a bad actor starting a looong way back. A good spanking is well past due here. Their clear intention to spuriously obsolete older computers, and to move everything to SaaS in the cloud where they can charge rent and hold customers' data hostage, needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. And let's not forget all the spying, which has come to a head recently with their attempts to shove Recall down everybody's throats.

      Microsoft has built a huge empire on "altering the deal", and I sincerely hope the plaintiff manages to put the screws to them bigtime. They deserve that, and so much more. And computer users deserve not to be held hostage by what is effectively a monopoly held by Microsoft.

    • Win11 upgrade different, arbitrary HW requirements (Score:5, Insightful)

      by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @01:00PM (#65579588)

      Yeah, welcome to commercial software since, I don't know, forever.

      Wrong. Win 11 is an entirely new and different situation. It is arbitrarily requiring new hardware. In the past there were no arbitrary barriers preventing an old machine from running the newer version of Windows. Sure your CPU and RAM might be suboptimal and performance suck as a result. Sure a new PC might be required to run 32-bit windows and you only had a 16-bit 286. Sure your video card might be so old no one bothers with drivers anymore. But those are not arbitrary like some of the Win 11 hardware requirements. This time, things actually are different and arguably unreasonable.

      I have a ten year old i7 quad core CPU (6th gen ?). It's probably equivalent to a modern Win11 compatible i3. This old PC is on its 4th GPU, RTX 4060 Ti. It was originally equipped with 16GB, its been upgraded to 32GB. It runs Win 10 and modern games quite well. It would probably run Win 11 quite well too.

      An even older i5 (4th gen) with 16GB and a Radeon 570 would probably run Win 11 passably.

      So I'd say a lawsuit might have merit. Something is new and different about the Win 11 upgrade, something arbitrary.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      Microsoft has posted the end of support dates for a long while now 0 generally speaking it's 10 years after release. This is actually fairly well known. Windows 11 is technically in its mid cycle (release 2021) so there's at least 5 more years of support for it.

      One needs to remember Windows 10 is 10 years old, and Microsoft has made getting an extra year of support trivially cheap - use OneCloud to backup your system settings (free) or 1000 reward points (which can be had with maybe a couple of weeks using

    • ". If you don't want to play that game and/or pay, then install Linux. And then you will get updates and upgrades regularly for free AND have much more control, security, and privacy" What BS. Even Linux doesn't support every hardware until the end of time, and Linux isn't much better at security as Windows is, only Linux fanboys/girls think it is.

  • Random thoughts (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @08:07AM (#65579148)
    Security patches should be available as long as a significant number of people are using the OS.

    Users should not beta test updates. If the Windows update process functioned like say MacOS people would not have to be forced into Bohica Updates. My Macs and Linux installs work after updates, so it is quite possible. Since I don't fear the update will wreck something on MacOS and Linux, I don't have to be forced. My other OSs just say "hey, we have an update - install it at your convenience."

    That also ironically means that a Windows OS is stable after Microsoft stops updating it.

    Users should be a little more responsible for their system security. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but if the seemingly interminable number of security patches needed to make Windows "safe" is any indicator - if we are concerned about safety snd security, we should take it as a clue that relying on Microsoft for your security is a fool's game.

    Not sayin' jus' sayin'.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      Consumers voluntarily using a 10 year old product should place no requirement for support on a vendor. We have no legal basis or comparable requirement for any product be supported for over this length of time, and the lifecycle time for the OS has been known for a really really long time.

      • Consumers voluntarily using a 10 year old product should place no requirement for support on a vendor. We have no legal basis or comparable requirement for any product be supported for over this length of time, and the lifecycle time for the OS has been known for a really really long time.

        I have a 5 year old decent laptop that is not eligible for Windows 11. You're acting like the manufacturer is under no obligation - true enough. But y 5 year old laptop tells me that Microsoft feels no t even a little compulsion to support hardware that isn't legacy. I may my decisions off that. After all I have no legal basis or comparable requirement to purchase a system that throws equipment off a cliff because they want me to purchase a new computer to go with their not ready for prime time OS. So yeah

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by N1AK ( 864906 )
          Given that Apple is cutting off updates for the last intel devices in an even shorter period then I have to assume you have chosen to move to Linux? You say it isn't a smart business decision by Microsoft but they got your money for Win 10, you wouldn't buy Win 11, and you're already in the distinct minority in buying something in 2020 that can't support Win 11.

          I think it's wrong but hardly bad business. If anything I'd like to see people have the right for a refund, at least in countries with strong con

          • Except "removing support" is purely artificial in the case of Windows 11 - it works perfectly fine on "unsupported" hardware, but microsoft blocks it from being installed on it.

        • If you had bought a Mac 5 years ago, would be eligible for the latest Mac operating system.

          You simply made a choice. That's on you.

        • I have a 5 year old decent laptop that is not eligible for Windows 11.

          Your laptop will run Linux just fine. If you bought a Microsoft branded device in the past 5 years it will be eligible for Windows 11. There's no guarantee for the hardware you bought to be supported by a 3rd party vendor (Microsoft) for any length of time. Again, there's no legal basis to tie 3rd parties into some support obligation.

          Windows 10 has a 2 year support period. Always has. Every single version. It was always up to the user to manage the software and alternatives are available to you.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by TurboStar ( 712836 )

        This is sarcasm, right? Commercial airplanes are kept in service for 20 or more years. Lathes and mills can run 3 shifts for 20 years. It's only consumer trash that hits the bin after 5-10 years. Because the sheeple accept it.

      • In the US auto manufacturers are required to provide no cost repairs for safety recalls for 10 years.

        https://www.edmunds.com/car-sa... [edmunds.com]

        I'd say that many Windows security issues are akin to automotive safety issues. These are major flaws that cause real issues for users.

        • Yeah?

          Let's compare the average price of a new car to the average price of a new Windows computer and then talk about why support periods may differ.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by Torodung ( 31985 )

        New computers were sold 5 years ago using your "10 year old product." The fact is, Microsoft releases new versions. It has, essentially, model years. It is not a 10 year old product if a computer was installed with the latest Windows 10 5 years ago. It is 5 years old.

        Look at the release dates [wikipedia.org] for Windows 10. It is a 3 year old product. 22H2 released in October of 2022. If I bought a computer in 2022 with 10 on it, I don't know why I would do that (except that 11 has a reputation like Vista to some), but it

      • We have no legal basis or comparable requirement for any product be supported for over this length of time,
        Can you cite something on the 'legal basis'? IANAL, but it's interesting to consider the obligation by a vendor to fix product flaws. Is there a "statute of limitations" on product flaws? I've long (40 years) argued for corporate and professional liability (and limits on that liability) for software.

        Oh, and as a side note: One of the things that distinguishes military from commercial systems is t

      • Consumers voluntarily using a 10 year old product should place no requirement for support on a vendor. We have no legal basis or comparable requirement for any product be supported for over this length of time, and the lifecycle time for the OS has been known for a really really long time.

        This is not about support but rather product safety. Physical products are recalled all the time on the vendors dime even after decades have passed. In the real world these vendors incur actual costs to physically replace and ship replacements for those affected by unsafe products. Here Microsoft apparently thinks it does not have to play by the same rules as everyone else. If defects in your products place people at unsafe risk of harm you own the legal consequences of your failures especially if you f

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by N1AK ( 864906 )
      No, and any requirement to do so would just increase the extent to which we get subscriptions foisted onto us.

      Your Mac point in particular is impressive in showing your lack of knowledge in the area and bias. My recollection is there was less than 2 years from them stopping selling the final intel based Mac products to intel chips not supporting new OS versions, and it'll be 3 years from last sales to the point where their OS version won't get patches.

      The worst issues we've had from updates in the las

      • No, and any requirement to do so would just increase the extent to which we get subscriptions foisted onto us. Sorry, MacOS comes with the OS.

        Your Mac point in particular is impressive in showing your lack of knowledge in the area and bias. My recollection is there was less than 2 years from them stopping selling the final intel based Mac products to intel chips not supporting new OS versions, and it'll be 3 years from last sales to the point where their OS version won't get patches.

        It all depends on your definition of support. If you only believe that updates to the latest OS counts, it is one thing. If Security updates, it is another. You I believe want to believe that Intel Macs are receiving the OS update. And the security up-dates are somehow irrelevant.

        https://9to5mac.com/apple-inte... [9to5mac.com]

        The M-series is a whole different world from the Intel versions. I had one of the last Intel Macs, and my new M4 runs rings around it. Especially since I use the Adobe Creative suite.

        Ther

    • 'My other OSs just say "hey, we have an update - install it at your convenience."'

      And what other OSs are those?

      MacOSs go EOL. Linux versions go EOL. WTF OS are you using?!?!?!

    • "That also ironically means that a Windows OS is stable after Microsoft stops updating it." - this exactly. Windows 7 ran perfectly after Microsoft dropped support for it. I could say the same for Windows 10 if you want to keep using it after Microsoft gets their incompetent fingers out of it. But, Windows 11 is a whole different beast. That monster needs to be completely avoided at all costs if you can.

  • It seems like this is one more reason to go with a popular Linux distribution: they don't EoL your computers.

    • No, but endless security patches? I haven't tried, but would the latest SuSE install on my 486DX?

      • No, but endless security patches?

        Who claimed there were endless security patches? You can continue updating your system with the same hardware.

        I haven't tried, but would the latest SuSE install on my 486DX?

        If it can run Windows 10?

    • Sure they do, not as quickly, but they do. For example, Linux kernel 6.15 dropped support for 486

    • of course they do. The EOL for CPU's is generally a lot longer, but support for most consumer kernels is much shorter than what MS provide.

  • If this works... (Score:5, Funny)

    by evil_aaronm ( 671521 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @08:49AM (#65579192)
    If this guy's suit works, I'm gonna sue Taco Bell to have them continue making chili cheese burritos. It was a crushing loss when they dropped it from the menu.

  • Microsoft, like most anyone making money off of computers these days, wants you on a subscription model that requires you to constantly send telemetry to their servers so they can rape your privacy for profit. They don't want you buying and using a product until something better comes out, they want that sweet recurring monthly income. It's evil.

    Stupid, however, is expecting a company to sell you a product and then support it forever for free. The only reason Microsoft has to support Windows 10 past what

  • Spread the word to install Linux Mint. It's amazing how much faster your computer is when it isn't working for a giant corporation more than the owner.

  • Can the slashdot software automatically down grade any post that is NOT from an IP lawyer to ahve a post value of no greater then 3 ?
    thanks !!

  • The big guys always get away with it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by J. L. Tympanum ( 39265 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @10:21AM (#65579310)

    Didn't Microsoft make a big deal about how W10 was their "last" version of Windows? And then it wasn't. Doesn't that make them liable for false advertising?

    • Was about to post the exact same thing.

      I think MS put their foot in their mouths with this promise.

      I sure hope this guy or his lawyers see this.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by kriston ( 7886 )

      This always bothered me since Windows 11 came out.
      Windows 10 was supposed to be infinitely upgradable, and it was.

      But, then, someone in marketing convinced the committee to release Windows 11 and its strict modern hardware requirements, and sunset Windows 10. Talk about false advertising!!

      The landfills are going to be chock-full of computers this fall.

    • Didn't Microsoft make a big deal about how W10 was their "last" version of Windows? And then it wasn't. Doesn't that make them liable for false advertising?

      Microsoft never officially made a big deal about it. A single employee made an off-the-cuff remark about Windows 10 being the last version, and the media took it as gospel. [wikipedia.org] As much as I hate using the politically-loaded term here, it was fake news.

      This whole thing is a bit like if someone sued Tesla over their Cybertruck not working as a boat. At one point Musk actually made some joking/hyperbole claims about its supposed amphibious abilities, even though none of the product's official marketing suggests

  • All they need to do is remove the TPM requirement. Home users don't want or need Bitlocker.

  • If somebody at Microsoft is reading slashdot: what the fuck is wrong with you?

    But seriously, stop making new versions of Windows. Just make it a rolling release. Bridge versions for changing APIs. Continuous Windows forever. Your customers will be happy, and you can push your new crap on them any time you want.

    • > what the fuck is wrong with you

      They can make profits with paid upgrades and paid support and face no liability for the havoc that will ensue.

      Perhaps you've heard of Bill Gates and his personality structure that was infused into Microsoft's essence?

      They could even face a shareholder lawsuit for not screwing a few hundred million people. Corporations are legally required to be psychopathic in the modern USA.

  • Maybe it's time for you to get away from them (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Sloppy ( 14984 ) on Sunday August 10, 2025 @12:35PM (#65579520) Homepage Journal

    First time?

    It's fascinating that there are so many people acting like this is their first taste of Maintenance Hell.

    Learn from it. After some poor choices and orphanage heartbreak, I eventually had a last time, swore NEVER AGAIN, and I haven't looked back. I'm sure there are legit gripes about Linux but the one gripe I know nobody will ever have, is "they fucked me." It's never hostile, at all. It never tries to not work. The code isn't making any decisions, ever, which would translate into English as "fuck what the owner of this computer wants." Never. It's always on your side. Always. And to me, that's what I consider to be "normal" now.

    The absurdity of recent versions of MS Windows requiring TPM is right there in your face. That's a deliberate defect, making it hostile for no fucking reason that any customer ever asked for.

    They hate you. And you want more from those people? Really? You must hate you too.

    If you ever change your mind, there's a way out.

    • (With apologies to parent poster if s/he doesn't catch the allusion to the famous US political comment.)

      No CIO ever got fired for buying Microsoft, no matter what the sustainment cost. Of course, from the CIO's perspective, more support costs and staffing just grow the CIO's budget and influence. On the consumer side, most consumers have been taught "Computers all HAVE TO SUCK, it's just the way it is." And "We can't afford a Mac" so Windows on cheap hardware is the cost-effective entry price (AKA 'gatew

  • I don't care whether ms keeps supporting win 10. The problem is that the app makers will stop supporting it, so you can't even use your computer any more, because it will not run the apps you need.

  • How does this become a class action lawsuit and how do I join?

  • Microsoft's shift away from Windows 10 will lead millions of customers to buy new devices and thrown out their old ones, consigning as many as 240 million PCs to the landfill....

    Many (most?) of those "old" PCs probably run Windows 10 fine - I know mine does, and Linux too -- and they can't be used for Windows 11 due to new (arbitrary) hardware requirements Microsoft has imposed. Microsoft could have made OS features that rely on them available if supported by the hardware, but no. I get that their current route probably reduces their support effort and can increase end-user security, but I suspect they have more selfish reasons like DRM , etc...

  • Many people (possibly most) have no technical expertise at all. All they know about hardware is the on/off switch; as for software they probably know a username, password, how to type and how to use a mouse. That's it.

    Now consider what's involved in buying a new computer, just so it can run W11. First you have to buy the machine; that is already a problem if you know nothing more than "I need a new computer". Then comes the real surprise. How do you move all your stuff from the old computer to the new

    • To be fair, if they already have a computer, I'd be surprised if they didn't know how to buy a new one.
      And also, Microsoft will tell you to copy everything to OneDrive, which they've forced down everyone's throat with every Windows 10 feature update.

  • When I converted my Windows 7 license to Windows 10, I did so because I was told it would be last version of Windows I would need, and it would be continually updated.
    Now I'm told I need to buy a new computer because there is an arbitrary CPU restriction.

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