

AI Is Forcing the Return of the In-Person Job Interview (msn.com) 49
Google, Cisco, and McKinsey have reintroduced in-person interviews to combat AI-assisted cheating in virtual technical assessments. Coda Search/Staffing reports client requests for face-to-face meetings has surged to 30% this year from 5% in 2024.
A Gartner survey of 3,000 job seekers found 6% admitted to interview fraud including having someone else stand in for them, while the FBI has warned of thousands of North Korean nationals using false identities to secure remote positions at U.S. technology companies. Google CEO Sundar Pichai confirmed in June the company now requires at least one in-person round for certain roles to verify candidates possess genuine coding skills.
A Gartner survey of 3,000 job seekers found 6% admitted to interview fraud including having someone else stand in for them, while the FBI has warned of thousands of North Korean nationals using false identities to secure remote positions at U.S. technology companies. Google CEO Sundar Pichai confirmed in June the company now requires at least one in-person round for certain roles to verify candidates possess genuine coding skills.
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Frankly, face to face meeting reveals a lot about people. You shouldn't hire or get hired without meeting your future employee/boss face to face and having a conversation.
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"They don't want to hire you. They want to hire an H1B."
And I'm living this reality right now. 5 years busting my ass off for a company, literally handling the role of both production and quality on the floor, basically right under management in both actual authority and in knowledge of the product, and helped take the company from startup to being attractive enough to get acquired and go corporate. QM retires, I'm expecting to get put in the role. Nope, some guy from India that claims they're ISO-certified
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Fuck that.
Thanks.
Re: Discriminates against the best workers unfairl (Score:2)
Sounds good. But without a solution to the remote job scams done by organized crime, we're going to go ahead with in person interviews.
Re: Discriminates against the best workers unfair (Score:4, Insightful)
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I cannot stress this enough, a company that ends up hiring fake employees from Korea should go under. I have no idea how you can hire fake people and not figure it out very quickly.
So if a company hires Kim from Busan who got a lefimate visa and years of experience as a skilled engineer they should go under?
I don't disagree with your point but we should be specific.
The problem is that it's not always that easy. It's often not a direct hiring, you can easily get stand ins, even in western countries to do interviews. Enough unscrupulous people out there willing to do stuff like this for a fiver and will just pass along the credentials or worse agency hires who really don't care
I don't want "the best," I want "good enough" (Score:2)
The best people will just say no and then these companies will never be able to hire them.
99%+ of the time, you don't need "the best people." You probably don't want them anyway because you can't afford to pay them what they are worth (but hey, if they are devoted to your company/cause/project and will work for average wages, I'll take them!).
I want "good enough." Sometimes this means "meets the minimum stated hiring criteria, or at least comes close." Sometimes this means the "middle of the pack" of qualfied candidates. Sometimes this means "top 10%" or even "top 1%" of the peer group. Ver
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The best people usually already have jobs anyways so it comes down to picking the best among people looking for jobs.
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Plus, a lot of the "best" people are assholes.
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The pandemic proved that we don't need to be in person to get these jobs
The pandemic proved that it was possible to survive as a business without doing everything in person, it didn't prove that it was the best way to operate, and it didn't prove that businesses would thrive without some level of in-person communication. I support the concept of remote work for most tech roles, and I have primarily worked from home since before the pandemic. That being said there are some meetings that need to be in person, particularly when the the work is beyond being a pure coder or keyboard
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Can we have some goose/gander rules? (Score:2)
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Can we do away with HR being the first call and skip right to speaking with an engineer? They can do a much better job of determining if a candidate is bullshitting.
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This. Funny how it's "interview fraud" to use AI on an interview assignment, but it isn't hiring fraud to use AI (and glorified grep scripts) to eliminate candidates and perform early interview rounds, or to advertise jobs as remote when they're hybrid at best, or to post jobs with requirements for skills or credentials that are in no way needed to do the job. It conveniently also isn't any kind of "fraud" to post ghost jobs on the regular.
Fail to admit lies was always a problem (Score:5, Insightful)
When I was a kid, job interviews were reasonable.
HR started doing stupid crap, thinking they could get better recruits.
10 exp req. for entry level jobs - in fields that were 5 years old.
Asking people to have skills equivalent to Senior positions for Junior positions.
Not stating salaries estimates and asking people how much they would work for.
Salary below market rates.
Eventually they find someone willing to SAY they qualify and will work for that salary.
Wondering why they had massive turnover with horrendous, underqualified employees.
Never ever realized that they had instead selected for the most deceitful scum in the world, willing to say anything to get a job.
This has been going on for decades. A war between scumbag HRs with ridiculous demands and lying bastards.
I am surprised any honest people get jobs.
The way to get the best people is to put in higher pay than your competition with lower experience requirements than standard. Then find the guys that can LEARN to do the job, rather than already know how.
It's got nothing to do with better recruits (Score:1, Flamebait)
The social contract is breaking down. We are going to see a fuck ton of violence.
I think the problem is there's a bunch of dumb people over the age of 50 who think that's going to b
Re: It's got nothing to do with better recruits (Score:2)
"They don't want to hire you. They want to hire an H1B."
That's mostly just a racist trope. Outside of a few well-known big companies that do lots of H1B hires, most of the time HR is gunning for their friend or some other associate to get hired. It's rarely a Visa holder HR is fighting for.
Re: It's got nothing to do with better recruits (Score:1)
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If you don't understand that "Furriners are coming to take your job away because they'll work for a crust of bread" is a racist trope, I'm not sure if I can explain it to you.
They're not coming to take our jobs (Score:1)
And this is why the human race is going to die. Instead of actually solving the problems we face li
He is just trying to derail the conversation (Score:2)
What we should be doing is transitioning from a competitive society to a cooperative one so that it no longer matters if we keep bringing an immigrants. But it is extremely hard to get away from the programming when you were a kid that told you competition is a universal good.
So you have a cognitive dissonance between what you were told when you were a littl
Re: He is just trying to derail the conversation (Score:2)
When you die of old age (if overdosing doesn't do it first) in a few years, they'll give you the cheapest headstone money can buy, and then engrave it with the world's biggest complaint form. The subject will read "Dey took er jerbs!" The various fields will mention AI, indians, H1-B, bitcoin, gratuitously repeated use of the word "corporations", and allusions to that recurring nightmare you keep having, namely this one:
https://youtu.be/_B9nJiKq9N8 [youtu.be]
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That's just someone trying (and failing) to be all-inclusive, considering nobody (that I've seen so far) had mentioned race.
For once... I do agree with you.
The jobs that "immigrants" take could easily be done by US citizens... I'm not saying block everyone forever, just look for people locally or whatever before hiring every H1B that comes across the desk.
reanjr is saying that all of the conversation up to their comment is anti other nationalities... as if the conversation is poised against any other nation
You're the only one mentioning race (Score:2)
Now I would like very much to transition from a competitive society to a cooperative one so that I don't have to fight for the right to live via jobs. But that's not the world I live in and to be blunt practically nobody here wants to make that transition. We were taught when we were kids competition good and that's not something we are going to let go easily if at all.
So I am basically fi
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Exactly!
H1B's (does that need the apostrophe?) are cheap labor... sure, they're paid the going rate for the work they do, and maybe even benefits... but, the "company" doesn't have to hire them full-time, and can have them work 12+ hours while they pay them the same as the neighboring cubicle, where that guy works 8 hours and makes the same.
I would have no problem working on a farm for $300 a week... if there was a farm near by that I could get to.
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You know what's funny?
I read this post, and I thought, "I bet I know who posted this." I look, and sure enough, I was right (;
You know what's even funnier? I know exactly one user name on here besides mine. And I associate that name with "dumbest shit posted on Slashdot".
I wonder if it is all a coincidence.
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Sometimes those deceitful scum get embedded within an organization and parasitize their way to the top. This tempts even people who wouldn't normally lie to lie because they need to feed their families. The fairest system I can think of is to have an in-person exam (90%) + interview (10%) .. dont even ask or care about past experience.
Various ways to handle this (Score:1)
For a truly-remote job that isn't "high stakes," partnering with an exisitng identity-verification firm like Greenhouse is doing with Clear (see article), make sense. One step up from that would be requiring a remote interview to be done in a "vetted location" like a recognized test-taking center.
Once you get to "high stakes" situations - and each company gets to decide what "high stakes" means in this context - an in-person interview becomes a must.
Even if it's not "a must" from a "cheating" perspective,
Ask them to modify their code live (Score:3)
We provide a technical test in our interview process and we got all sorts of neat submissions but it always falls apart when we ask them to make changes live. I personally don't care much about somebody using an LLM if they can demonstrate that they are skilled enough without using one, and if they can demonstrate that they won't trust a result. In fact, at this point we ask about AI usage and have applicants ask it questions that we know will give wrong answers just to see if they can identify the problem and figure out how to resolve it.
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It's not even that. It's a simple web page FizzBuzz test (print the numbers 1-100 on a web page when you click a button and do FizzBuzz-like things). We give them a day to do it and tell them that we will review what they write in the technical interview. People create elaborate solutions to impress, but I've noticed certain... trends in how they design it. And after the review, when we ask them to make it so the FizzBuzz factors are user editable on the web page, things always end up falling apart.
Isn't that what they want? (Score:3)
A two way street (Score:2)
Not only will applicants have to show up live without an AI to help them, but interviews will have to be done by live people and not AIs as well.
And next week, we'll see a story about people hiring ringers to interview for them.
Again.
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Ringers?
You mean "advocates"?
That's how a lot of them get their drivers licenses and apartments and other benefits (GA, insurance, food stamps)... the "advocate" knows how to fill out all the paperwork to maximize the benefits for 'their client', then the client has five people living with them so it doesn't cost anyone too much to have a place to sleep, and they send as much money as possible back to their wife and kids and extended family.
I know... I've seen this firsthand (before you try to say "it's all
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No, I mean ringers [askamanager.org]. An advocate doesn't lie about who they are, claiming to be who they represent.
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No... the "advocate" doesn't lie about shit... they just "pad" the paperwork so their client gets everything possible.
That is the nature of the immigration system these days.
If you can show me articles that disprove what I said, I'll believe you... they better be more than FOX or CNN... I want multiple sources!
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You might try participating in the same conversation as everyone else in the future. You'll look less clueless that way. Or maybe you won't, no matter what you do.
Leet code interviews (Score:4, Insightful)