Temperature Records Broken as Extreme Heat Grips Parts of Europe (theguardian.com) 158
Extreme heat is breaking temperature records across Europe, early measurements suggest, and driving bigger and stronger wildfires. From a report: In south-west France, records were broken on Monday in Angouleme, Bergerac, Bordeaux, Saint-Emilion and Saint-Girons. Meteo France said the "often remarkable, even unprecedented, maximum temperatures" in the region were 12C above the norm for the last few decades.
In Croatia, air temperature records were set in Sibenik, at 39.5C, and Dubrovnik, at 38.9C, while large forest fires raged along its coasts and ripped through neighbouring countries in the Balkans. The day before, Hungary broke its daily maximum temperature record when a weather station in Korosladany hit 39.9C. The capital, Budapest, also broke its daily maximum record as it sweltered through 38.7C heat.
Beyond Europe, dozens of temperature records were broken across Canada, and record-breaking heat above 50C in Iraq was blamed for a nationwide blackout. The heatwave in southern Europe comes as Nordic countries recover from unprecedentedtemperatures above 30C in the Arctic Circle this month.
In Croatia, air temperature records were set in Sibenik, at 39.5C, and Dubrovnik, at 38.9C, while large forest fires raged along its coasts and ripped through neighbouring countries in the Balkans. The day before, Hungary broke its daily maximum temperature record when a weather station in Korosladany hit 39.9C. The capital, Budapest, also broke its daily maximum record as it sweltered through 38.7C heat.
Beyond Europe, dozens of temperature records were broken across Canada, and record-breaking heat above 50C in Iraq was blamed for a nationwide blackout. The heatwave in southern Europe comes as Nordic countries recover from unprecedentedtemperatures above 30C in the Arctic Circle this month.
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What was tundra can't be used to grow grapes.
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What was tundra can't be used to grow grapes.
Then don't grow them there. Plenty of other places will support them that didn't before. I'm not saying its ideal, I'm just saying that I don't think we'll lose grapes in the process.
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Just to get an idea, how far to the north Germany for instance is: Its northernmost point is on the same latitude than the south of Alaska.
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Grape vines grow in the UK. The Romans introduced winemaking to Britain. My first house had a grape vine that produced grapes, but they never quite ripened. Perhaps as the climate warms, they will ripen.
Re: I feel like drinking but.. (Score:4, Informative)
Grape vines do grow in the UK. They were a source of shitty grapes that produced shitty wine that the Romans made drinkable with a lead-based sweetener...
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lead-based sweetener...
Heh, Romans and their lead...
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There is decent English wine being produced now.
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There is decent English wine being produced now.
Most English wine makers seem to be making sparkling wines, which is a cover for shitty wine.
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Grape vines grow in the UK.
And they spent many years adjusting to doing so. It's not a matter of plant seed, receive crop the following season like for much of farming. Setting up a vineyard takes 3-5 years to get even a remotely viable harvest. But you can already grow in UK climates, and the UK has a small wine industry already.
Oh and UK wine tastes different than French wine. The conditions how wine is grown feeds a lot into the flavour. In fact global warming has already made noticeable differences in wine tastes as certain regio
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Wine may be the least of our agricultural concerns if the temperatures keep rising.
I agree, that was me making that point in a jackass sort of way.
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The taste of the grapes will change because there is less light. For better or worse, I don't know.
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I like this image for explaining the difference between natural change and human made change:
https://xkcd.com/1732/ [xkcd.com]
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In the late middle ages, the area that's now the Netherlands (at least, the dry parts) was recognized for its wine. We are making a comeback ;)
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'Record' temperatures in the high 30s is a warm summer day for us in Australia.
Grape vines, like humans, get thirsty. You need to keep them hydrated.
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I've been sneaking into all of the weather stations in Europe and dumping hot tea onto the sensors in order to help carry out this hoax.
For this work, George Soros has promised me an invite to the huge party he gives every year for the climate scientists and journalists that are in on this world-wide conspiracy.
Sure, there are easier ways to make money. But this suits my nefarious liberal lifestyle and I rather enjoy the work.
The law of unintended consequences (Score:5, Interesting)
There's been a sudden increase in temp records being broken since the shipping fuel sulphur cap came into effect in 2020. Why does it matter? Because the particulates that used to be released by ships in the ocean caused clouds to form. This not only kept the oceans cooler but created weather stronger weather fronts with more rain. In effect it was masking some of climate changes effects.
Well, not any more.
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Any citations? A quick search says it had a cooling effect.
https://www.livescience.com/pl... [livescience.com]
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Europe is in the North, so not that.
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What a strange reply? The location of the volcano is the South Pacific. Where is your citation that this will cause warming over the next five years in the north?
Re:The law of unintended consequences (Score:4, Informative)
It didn't specify hemispheres. So far as I recall.
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Don't worry. Trump will do the most wonderful deal with Putin and exchange peace in Ukraine for restoring Alaska to its pre-1867 state. /s
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it could be bait, but it could aswell be alaska, and the next round in st petersburg or somewhere in russia.
choosing alaska is quite a message because it's on the actual frontier between the us and russia. makes sense, because it is, and always has been, fundamentally an issue between the us and russia (to be more precise an issue of the us with russia, but anyway), and it's the us and russia who have to sort it out. and if this is finally acknowledged then maybe, just maybe, this meeting might be actually
I'm conflicted (Score:2, Informative)
While I am sure things are getting warmer, I also notice that they keep doing weird things...
July was mostly between 12 and 22 degrees, lot's of rain. The moment it turned August, we're getting drought and forest fire hazard warnings.
Temperatures I used to think were green they make yellow and what used to be yellow often is red.
I do think humanity has impact on the weather and I do think it's changing.
But I am just as convinced someone is trying to shape opinion with less than ethical methods.
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The moment it turned August, we're getting drought and forest fire hazard warnings.
Holy shit! It only took 2 weeks to start a drought?!?!?!!! (I'm just being a dick)
The last five years here have been much cooler than usual. It just means things are much more unpredictable now. The forecast for Summer that they give us in Spring has been way off over those years. Next year could end up being crazy hot, we'll see.
Re:I'm conflicted (Score:5, Informative)
Many people don't realize climate change isn't just about hotter weather. Climate change means more energy in Earth's atmosphere. That does cause hot weather in places but also more water evaporation, more storm energy (tornadoes and cyclones), more precipitation, more melting ice in Greenland which is not compensated by the extra snowfall, which causes less salty water to form on the surface of the Nordic sea maybe one day weakening or blocking the Atlantic gulf-stream which could then drop median European temperatures on the entire continent by 10 C (about 18 F?)..
Doesn't matter if its man made or not, climate change is messy and we're not prepared.
It's also fucking up the water cycle (Score:2)
I don't think we can do anything about it though because the changes needed are fairly drastic and it's easy to prey on people's inherent conservative nature when it comes to change in order to block anything
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Most global warming models predict increased extreme weather events. What's yer point?
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Temperatures I used to think were green they make yellow and what used to be yellow often is red.
Understanding of weather and impacts have varied greatly. The warnings we provide have changed many times over the years as management of extreme weather has evolved. The colors are not about the changing climate, it's about protecting you. Even for the same temperature people experience and react very differently.
For example on coastal regions you're much more likely to have a lower temperature considered for a warning colour than an inland due to differences in humidity. Or look to Europe, with record bre
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I am just as convinced someone is trying to shape opinion with less than ethical methods.
Of course they are. There is money to be made. Much of the climate change messaging is driven by people with a financial interest in a particular "solution". There was a time when solar energy was driven by idealists trying to save the planet, its now driven by wall street investors trying to make a buck. AI is good because it means more demand for electricity, which means they can make more money. It makes no difference to them whether their solar investments replace fossil fuels or just supplement them. T
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A volcano three years ago was going to cause temps to rise and 146,000,000 tonnes of rain to fall for a few years. That's supposed to wrap up around 2027.
Re:I'm conflicted (Score:4)
You understand your anecdotal claims are worthless. Or maybe you don't. The capacity for idiocy in humans seems to have no limit.
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Forgot to add: They tell us that this July was about average... for the life of me I just cannot believe that to be true.
It could very well be true. Climate change does not affect every area equally. Some geographical areas will actually get better temperatures/climate than beforehand. San Diego (where I live) is a case in point. Our average temperature has actually stayed mostly the same. We've had lower than normal temperatures the last two months. However, our incidents of higher humidity has increased. From what I have read, our normal weather environment shifted northward.
Re:Obligatory (Score:5, Funny)
I am very happy with my room cooler I purchased earlier this month I must say. I in fact perhaps will invest into a bigger unit next summer alongside it. It actually works.
Climate aside, I think there will just be a time when people will not go outside without some portable cooling system which I feel isn't hard at all to manufacture. It in fact seems like a market, surely it is possible with modern technology to create some kind of shirt fabric that can be stored in a refrigerator that is designed to afterwards slowly absorb heat?
I'm gonna do something unusual for me and glass is half full this one.
People used to pay big dollars for a sauna. Now we can just step outside. In my part of the world, it even smells smokey like the older wood-fire stoked saunas, since we're getting wildfire smoke washing over us most days. All the experience, none of the expense! I can just pull up a lawn chair on my porch and hang out to sweat off the pounds!
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People used to pay big dollars for a sauna. Now we can just step outside. In my part of the world, it even smells smokey like the older wood-fire stoked saunas
These days you can both season and cook a steak by hanging it on a clothesline in Gilroy.
(OTOH, anyone who's been there for the Garlic Festival knows that the only difference is that now it's getting smoked and not just baked.)
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Thanks, and the story needed more funny, but...
I couldn't find anything about the extreme weather events in Japan over the last few days. But there are so many that it's hard to call them news.
So the best predictor of today's weather is yesterday's weather. Ditto for this year's weather using last year's data. But when the records are constantly being broken, it's really hard to know where and how to build a house and how much drainage or reservoir capacity to provide. Only a few actual death's in the lates
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Joking aside, the point of sauna is not to sweat but to shock. I like a good sunbake, but there's no point in baking in 40+ degree heat if you don't have access to a 10degree pool to plunge into afterwards. Though I guess you can instead of paying top dollar for a sauna, pay top dollar for ice instead.
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Modern technology can't yet break the laws of thermodynamics , so no, it isn't possible.
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Your body produces 100W of heat just doing nothing on its own so the shirt would have to absord a large proportion of that. Then add in external heat sources too. Unless you can find some unobtainium to make your shirt fabric from that has a specific heat capacity thousands of times greater than water then no, its not going to happen. OTOH you could have a vest full of tubes with pumped water and they've existed for decades, astronauts use them.
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No, because if it absorbed all those 100W you'd die and enter hypothermia.
It doesn't need to absorb all that, it just needs to keep you comfortably cool.
Your body keeps itself cool as well of course and has ways to regulate temperature and sacrifices everything to keep your vital organs at the right temperature so that you not die, this does mean that your skin becomes far hotter which can take but it's not comfortable, all this shirt needs to do is keep your skin cool.
Space is entirely different because t
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You can radiate heat in space. The sun wouldn't warm us if radiation was off. You can't "fan" heat away in vacuum due to lack of a medium (like air or water) to absorb it.
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> some portable cooling system which I feel isn't hard at all to manufacture
Fremen stillsuits! Lets get cracking.
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It isn't just boomers. There are plenty of young people who have bought into the nihilistic philosophy that conservatism has morphed in to. Up here in Canada we are regularly informed that we have to build more pipelines and increase emissions because we need the money to pay for all the incredible things we're going to do later to fix and mitigate climate change.
It's incoherence bordering on rank stupidity and possibly severe mental illness, but even many of those who actually accept AGW have been convinced that we need to increase emissions in the "short term" because otherwise our economies will collapse. Meanwhile, my home town has two wild fires burning within 20 miles of it. The costs of mitigation are soon going to exceed whatever taxes and fees the taxpayer manages to collect from oil and gas companies.
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You know what my favourite argument to hear is? That if WE (Canada) don't produce oil and sell it to the market, some other country, probably form the middle east, will! There will be the same amount of oil being burned, we just won't get any of the money from it! Therefore, we should build pipelines and drill as much oil as we can.
Nice, right? And it's not as if we have the industry owned by a sovereign wealth fund like Norway does, it's just another set of corporations making bank; but of course an entire (voting) province relies on that industry for its livelihood; so the political will is non-existent to negative. *shrugs* I guess it sucks to be future generations.
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Why does that sound so familair? Oh right [youtube.com]. That's where I heard something similar.
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In some cases there is truth to it (though obviously not in the examples you give). Typically the truth though is restricted to the production of new equipment for lowering emissions. E.g. we won't solve global warming without mass production of solar panels and shipping them across the world. We won't solve it without mining lithium and expending energy to produce electric vehicles to haul our fat arses around.
But that pipeline thing (I read about that, you're talking about the Trans Mountain line right?)
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E.g. we won't solve global warming without mass production of solar panels and shipping them across the world. We won't solve it without mining lithium and expending energy to produce electric vehicles to haul our fat arses around.
No we won't, but that isn't because we can't. Its because we don't want to and there is no money to be made getting people to stop doing the things that create emissions. We could stop drilling for oil, but we won't. We could turn off the air-conditioning instead of firing up the power plant to produce more power. But we won't. We could take fewer trips, but we won't. We could stop letting people fly around in private jets. But we won't. We could stop flying around in any jet, but we won't. We could reduce
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I am a left winger. I want to start transitioning from a competitive society to a cooperative one. So I went looking when I noticed the problem of bitter angry young men for this left wing's solution because I didn't have one.
All I found is a bunch of people telling young men to go to the gym, get a degree, and read a bunch of books so that you're interested in funny and cool. In other words go become a Superman. As if they hadn't already tried that.
Basically the left wing is all about tackling systemic issues until young men come to them for help. Then it's all about personal responsibility.
I don't agree with everything you said, but this really hits the nail on the head IMHO.
I too am a left winger; I was doing a (late) undergrad back in the early 2010s when a lot of the current version of progressive ideology was still young. Not content to fit in or fuck off, I was constantly trying to argue against one particularly problematic part of the (then) modern left wing ideology: the idea that somebody ought to "educate themselves" rather than ask someone who knows. "It's not my job to educate you"
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Fuck me. Actually blaming women and claiming most of them are liars.
No one owes anyone sex ever. Not even once. If you're not having sex, that's your problem. Women don't exist to service men, ever. Get over yourself.
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The minute you assert that somehow young men have some sort of right to sexual experience, even within the context that they need to "man up" so women will have sex with them, dehumanizes women and creates this sense that there is the entitlement that can be unlocked.
Women are human beings, not sex toys for good little boys. Toxic masculinity stems in part from a sense of privilege, that men have inalienable rights to sex and affection from women. While I'm sure you care about the plight of young men, you'r
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Yes, my personal cooling is not designed to keep the environment cool; it is designed to keep me cool.
As I said “climate aside". It does nothing for the climate; it does something for me.
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Swamp coolers function better as temperature increases.
However, they do less as humidity increases, and don't work at all when it is high, and have limited maximum cooling that means they will never bring temperatures down to comfortable on their own at high temps, plus they depend on a lot of airflow so it's difficult to make up the difference with air conditioning.
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I assume you mean because water evaporates more quickly than pads are wetted, leading to reduced functionality. This is an implementation problem, not a limitation of the concept itself. Better wetting, materials, and/or using multi-stage evaporative coolers can overcome the limit of older systems typically found in homes.
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Basically, we're doomed - because a bunch of boomers had to drive big cars and eat big steaks in the last century.
People drove much fewer and smaller vehicles in the last century. All those monster trucks have replaced sedate sedans. And people in the last century didn't fly around the world like it was a trip next door. And we are now adding carbon to the atmosphere at a record rate, much faster than the last century. So look in the mirror.
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Humans are a tropical species, built for a warm climate. It's only with our growing brains, and development of technology, that people lost their tolerance of heat.
Yes, it's called walking around naked without clothing, very cool, entirely legal where I live in the summer by the way but I'd miss the pockets.
The unholy union of the Home sapiens vestitus is not all that tropical any more.
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What about the volcano that erupted a couple years back (2022), which was predicted to cause a few warmer years?
it can contribute. a tiny bit. potentially a 7% over several other varying estimates of 50%-85% which are getting increasingly pessimistic.
what is even your question? it's obvious you didn't even get past the headline of that stuff you posted.
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> One thing I do know is that France says this year is cooler than the last. https://climatologie.meteocont... [climatolog...teocont...] [meteocontact.fr]
That is not what this link says, like at all. Read the graphS . Its graphed per month, and your assertion is only valid until march. In april it's way up again.
The seasonal graph, only available for spring, shows an increase for 2025.
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No no, you're behind on your playbook. Now you're supposed to ask about the Krasheninnikov eruption. /s
Oh wait, that might kick in only in a few months.
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Re:What do we do about it? (Score:4, Informative)
Or we could wait a couple of years for the impact of the Tonga volcano to fade. Something that was expected to cause temps to rise for five years, but hasn't been mentioned in any of the alarmist reporting.
Maybe because the situation is more complicated than initially thought, and the net effect of the eruption appears to be a small cooling in the southern hemisphere [ucla.edu]?,
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Maybe because the situation is more complicated than initially thought, and the net effect of the eruption appears to be a small cooling in the southern hemisphere?,
It's difficult to say what the global net effect of a single volcanic eruption is, but on average humans emit more CO2 than volcanism so we would not expect it to cause significant warming compared to anthropogenic causes.
Re:What do we do about it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Clinging to that volcano story because you might have to come to terms with what science says.
If so many people believe the models are wrong then why don't we see any counter examples? Someone managed to prove all these woke climate liberals wrong at their own game? You'd be a hero in MAGA land.
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Yes its clearly the fault of the volcano. https://www.explainxkcd.com/wi... [explainxkcd.com]
You'll note this link has sources for the data points. Happy reading!
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And why did xkcd exclude the Central England Temperature records? Or France's records? People like to claim that temperatures have risen higher and faster in the last few decades than ever before. It isn't true. That happened at the outset of the 18th century. Hotter and faster, but it was just from Europe so those records don't count. The temps in Europe today count t
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You don't think that a volcano causing temperatures to rise this year was worth mentioning in an article about a heatwave in Europe?
Absolutely it would have improved the article the mention that this unprecedented heat wave was occurring even though that volcano has been shown to have had a cooling effect these past two years. [tamu.edu].
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Despite speculation when the Tongan volcano occurred that the water vapor lofting might offset the usual volcanic aerosol cooling -- which you are hammering as if it was established fact, supported by research generally, actual studies of the effect, now that we have the data [tamu.edu] show that it did not and the volcano had the usual cooling effect on the globe.
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The foundation of windmills is reused when they are replaced.
And you have posted negative lies about electric cars, which are vital if nuclear power is to do anything about global warming. Same for heat pumps, and basically anything that uses electricity (what a nuclear power plant produces) instead of hydrocarbons.
Fix your lies and maybe you can be convincing. I agree we need nuclear power but supposed "proponents" have dug a hole with decades of this spew.
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it's not his planet. will his money pay his share for fucking it up? it's going to be a huge bill ...
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If you want to imagine reasons to artificially raise the cost, leave them in your imagination instead of being a jerk about it.
What if some of us have an imagination that works well enough to imagine things which are actual concerns?
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If you're spending your time imagining reasons to inflate someone else's electric bill, or even just worrying about it, I'd advise you to consult a therapist. That can't be healthy.
It's healthy to not concern yourself with things which are harming you?
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We're all depending on you to be our carbon credit....
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Nor is it healthy to worry about things you can't control.
Why do you think that's something I cannot influence?
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Oh, you forgot laws exist, and that people vote on them, elect representatives and so on. Weird.
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Why do you think that's something I cannot influence?
By all means vote for the person running on banning pools.
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Oh, pro-tip, capital letters don't use any more power than lower case letters, so you can begin your sentences correctly with no added cost!
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i'm not even an environmentalist, let alone a hardcore one. i do enjoy nature, but i'm well aware that it is going to shit. the planet will survive. it's millions of humans, specially the poorest ones, who will die from the consecuences of climate change, and we're not going to do anything substantial about it, except talking and coping while it's possible. because, as a society, we don't give a shit. we just pretend.
then again heating an outside pool in cold weather ... come on. i didn't object even to tha
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To be honest AC, I enjoy the fact that he's YOUR president more than anything else :)
The deranged, utterly mind broken TDS people are worth the lackluster deportation numbers he's putting up.
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"The deranged, utterly mind broken TDS people"
You mean Trump Dick Suckers?
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Yeah Exactly! Like rsilvergun, people like that.
Every post has to involve some weird and zany progressive delusion about concentration camps, or forced sterilization of migrants.. Just really out there progressive fan-fiction.
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Every post has to involve some weird and zany progressive delusion about concentration camps
You're still in denial about American Auschwitz? God damn you maggots love fascism.
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You just delete the data and stop funding the agency who reports on it. Checkmate liberals!
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If that doesn't work, arrest the liberals and send them to a reeducation camp in El Salvador.
The climate changes throughout the yea, but that doesn't matter because the thermostat in a conservative politician's mansion is set to 21C/70F.