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Samsung Launches World's First Micro RGB TV (sammobile.com) 62

Posted by msmash from the are-you-not-entertained dept.
Samsung has finally launched a TV featuring the company's new Micro RGB backlight technology. From a report: The 115-inch TV is first launching in South Korea for over $32,000, according to SamMobile, but Samsung says it's coming to the US next, followed by a wider global rollout with more size options.

Samsung's Micro RGB technology is being positioned as an upgrade to Mini LED backlights that employ an array of tiny white or blue LEDs behind a TV's LCD panel. Micro RGB backlights instead use an ultra-fine pattern of individually controlled red, green and blue LEDs that are each less than than 100um in size.

The new backlight is powered by Samsung's Micro RGB AI engine, which the company says "analyzes each frame in real time and automatically optimizes color output for a more lifelike and immersive picture." The technology allows for improved color accuracy and better contrast by precisely controlling the intensity of the individual LEDs, and Samsung says it can even boost the color in dull scenes, making them appear more vivid and immersive.

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  • What differentiates it from the already-existing Hisense UX 116" set. It's also RGB LED backlit.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by PaleBlueSwirl ( 7636418 )
      The Hisense is mini-LED

    • It sounds like more crap where they oversaturate colors but stick some kind of marketing spin on it to make it sound more impressive than it really is: just crap. And worse, they're throwing the AI buzzword on to it, even though that doesn't mean anything. Though in their defense, a lot of people like that crap. Google caught shit with the pixel 2 for defaulting to srgb mode, which is popular among video/photo enthusiasts because it favors accuracy over having colors "pop", and Google was trying to market p

      • The display technology is one thing and the processor on top is another. No doubt it's just like any other TV where the first thing you do is go through the menu and turn it all off.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Samsung TVs have a "store mode" where they are super bright and massively over saturated. Apparently that sells.

        But they also have an accurate colour mode that usually does well in professional tests.

        Still, I think they have a way to go before I'd consider one over an OLED. OLED is mature, cheaper, and the burn in issues are all resolved to my satisfaction.

      • Yup. Every time they introduce some new technology that results in an image that looks exactly the same as the old technology, you know you're being taken for a ride.

        Unless you go out and buy the old old old technology that looks the same as the new technology, at knockdown prices.

    • Nearly everything. The only thing it has in common with that is they're both large digital TVs. Mini LEDs use a relatively large array of LEDs as backlights (typically in the thousands), with a pretty conventional LCD panel providing the actually display technology. That allows for good local dimming, but at core they're still an LCD tv. Micro LED TVs use individual LEDs for every single pixel (so millions of LEDs, not thousands). This is similar to OLED displays, which do the same thing, but OLEDs use orga

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by rta ( 559125 )

        But TFA is actually about some new halfway point. So really it's just a Mini LED TV with smaller leds but not pixel sized. from TFA:

        The other big advantage of Micro RGB is that the technology is cheaper to produce than MicroLED TVs. While Samsung’s first 115-inch model is launching at KRW 44.9 million – or around $32,362 – the company also currently sells a smaller 110-inch MicroLED TV in the US for $150,000.

        • Ah you're right, this isn't a micro LED tv, it's just a mini LED tv with more zones than normal. In my defense, the naming is clearly *meant* to confuse the technologies. The LEDs are micron scale so not technically a lie, just misleading.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by rta ( 559125 )

            And i guess it's also an RGB MiniLED vs white MiniLED, but still... mostly marketing.

            In my defense, the naming is clearly *meant* to confuse the technologies. The LEDs are micron scale so not technically a lie, just misleading.

            misleading marketing ? From the industry that brought us QLED TVs to compete with OLEDs ?! never!

            (well and the whole "LED TV" itself for what previously were just LCD TVs with LED backlight ... which are wow... 20 years old now!)

          • >"this isn't a micro LED tv, it's just a mini LED tv"

            Which really means it is an LCD TV.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by PDXNerd ( 654900 )
              Light emitting diodes are not liquid crystal displays. From wikipedia since its explains better than I can:

              Whereas LCDs produce an image by selectively blocking a backlight, organic LED, microLED, field-emission display and surface-conduction electron-emitter display technologies all produce an illuminated image directly. In comparison to LCDs all of these technologies offer better viewing angles, much higher brightness and contrast ratio (as much as 5,000,000:1), and better color saturation and accuracy. They also use less power, and in theory they are less complex and less expensive to build.

    • This one has AI.

      So, this one is better. Obviously.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Kartu ( 1490911 )
      Hisense simply has many dimmable zones.

      Samsung can dim every pixel, OLED style.
  • I have enough trouble moving 85 inch tv's, they bairly fit in pickups, large mini van's or elevators, 8.3 feet x 4.6 feet is a big tv to move.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Rinnon ( 1474161 )
      Presumably you'll be paying the store to deliver and set it up for you (for a premium), and you'll never be able to get it out of the house without renting a U-Haul. I live in an apartment and I can't imagine something like that fitting ANYWHERE. Honestly it just seems excessive at this point.

      • Not very far in the future some Samsung engineer will finally watch that episode of "Black Mirror" and it will begin... Window replacements first, then whole walls. At 8.5k per square meter, you may be sure they'll go out of their way to provide the financing for you.

    • I went to pick up an out-of-box large OLED at Best Buy (half price). The clerk told me if I transport it home myself, it voids the warranty, and I can't take it back. She made up some crap about they have to be transported straight up, not lying on their front or back. I cancelled the order. But yeah, when I bought my 72" LG, I brought my daughter to help me get it on the wall mount without breaking it. I put up the 2 65" Samsungs on wall mounts by myself though. My wall has posts (25 foot douglas fir tre
    • Hey, if you can afford $32k for a TV, you can afford to have professionals (with a van) move and install it.

      I cannot afford to do either, but I suspect that I am not their target market.

    • It's irrelevant.

      They make these massive tvs with the newest technology for several reasons.
      1. Marketing. Everyone loves big screen tvs
      2. They can't make them smaller yet. Bigger pixels are easier to make.

      They need the exposure, the marketing hype, while they refine the process to make smaller, more popular sizes in volume that people will actually buy.

      These are for marketing displays, custom installations, and people with too much money who want a new screen for their private screening room.

  • Samsung says it can even boost the color in dull scenes, making them appear more vivid and immersive

    What, if.... the director actually wanted it to be the way it is? I don't want to watch Schindler's list that looks like Mary Poppins.

    • Is it colorizing B&W movies? That's interesting!

    • Usually you can turn it off though like you can turn off the motion adapt features that make everything look like daytime television and soap operas. I remember seeing braveheart running on one of those TVs and wondering what the hell was I looking at.

      I haven't yet though found one of those fancy color options on a monitor or TV though that I really liked more than the defaults. Not that I've tried a lot of them.

    • Samsung says it can even boost the color in dull scenes, making them appear more vivid and immersive

      What, if.... the director actually wanted it to be the way it is? I don't want to watch Schindler's list that looks like Mary Poppins.

      Samsung says it can even boost the color in dull scenes, making them appear more vivid and immersive

      What, if.... the director actually wanted it to be the way it is? I don't want to watch Schindler's list that looks like Mary Poppins.

      The Samsung TV I just bought has a menu option for "natural color" that shuts off all the "optimized, boosted, etc." nonsense that makes everything look like a cartoon. It sucks that the default tends to be to make everything look ridiculous, but I haven't stumbled over a brand yet that doesn't let you turn it off.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        To be fair, the TV doesn't really know what "natural" colour is. If you want something that comes pretty close then calibrate it with calibration software, a disk, or a colorimeter, then purple will exist again.

      • The Samsung TV I just bought has a menu option for "natural color" that shuts off all the "optimized, boosted, etc." nonsense that makes everything look like a cartoon. It sucks that the default tends to be to make everything look ridiculous, but I haven't stumbled over a brand yet that doesn't let you turn it off.

        Better still virtually all TVs have a colour setting called "Filmmaker" mode which is literally the way the director intended. It applies cinema colour grading, so if you want to be pretentious about directors deciding how you view a movie, then turn all the lights in the room off and set your TV to filmmaker mode.

    • What, if.... the director actually wanted it to be the way it is? I don't want to watch Schindler's list that looks like Mary Poppins.

      The director has no say in how you view something. The director creates the scene and colour grades it to a standard. It's up to you to set your TV to that standard, and every modern TV has that option.

    • > I don't want to watch Schindler's list that looks like Mary Poppins.

      Weirdo :)

      You will watch vivid and immersive scenes and you will like them!

  • For some reason it struck me as amusing to read "Micro RGB TV" followed by a mention of its 115-inch size.

  • That you can replicate the brightness of a CRT? Especially when you're using those funny little shade or programs to make it look like it's got scan lines?

    I've seen some scanline effects I like but they make the screen very dark because of course they do they are blacking out some of the lines. I've heard you can compensate some what with HDR but I haven't had much luck with my monitor, then again HDR implementations are a mixed bag to say the least and turning it on for my monitor just makes the screen

    • You can also process the input for subpixel rendering, and use processing techniques to change sprites to look good with square pixels. This approach doesn't require even 4k.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Gilmoure ( 18428 )

      [something, something] electron gun pointed at your face [something]

    • OLED sufficiently solves the replication of that old CRT bright glow. It's not *perfect* but its damned close when you max out OLED brightness on a TV that doesn't reign in brightness artificially.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by flink ( 18449 )

        I don't think you can drive an OLED at max brightness over the whole screen long term. It will cook itself. I think just about any screen will protectively dim itself if showing a really bright scene for too long.

  • > 100um

    What's a "u m"?

    Perhaps the illiterate slashdot editor meant m? That micro-meter (1x 10-06 meter, or one mllionth of a meter).

    If you can't be bothered to do your job, and/or are illiterate, just resign. Nobody will blame you. You've already proven yourself useless and stupid.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by gavron ( 1300111 )

      Looks like slashdot just doesn't want that symbol here.
      I've tried escaping it with backslashes and quote marks and to no avail.

      Here it is:
      https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]

      • Looks like slashdot just doesn't want that symbol here.

        Congrats, you just learned something about expressing units in restricted character spaces. Now click your own Google link, click the wikipedia entry for "micro" and read yourself the 3rd paragraph about standard use of um where the Greek letter mu is unavailable.

        Now apologise to the editors who correctly used um for being a pretentious smartarse prick.

    • Slashdot doesn’t support Unicode, introduced decades ago. It only recently stopped spewing Mojibake for smart quotes and em dashes. Support for micro (lowercase mu) is slated for 2047.
    • Um, I don't know.

  • On the Pebble YouTube channel this morning [youtube.com] it was mentioned the Pebble Time 2 would also have an RGB backlight. Of course that is much smaller e-paper screen. He said it could be used to make the watch use redder light at night.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by rta ( 559125 )

      interesting i've never seen the Pebble guy before. I hope the relaunch survives though i'm not particularly into smart watches myself

  • And the answer is "none". None more black.

  • ...which has a family room that is 100' long. LOL! We tapped out at 50". That's as big as we need. I guess if you have enough money to afford this TV, you have a room large enough to display it.

  • We keep making the back lighting fancier, until the cost and complexity of that fanciness, might as well just implement OLED, where the brightness and color can be fully controlled without a backlight at all. LG already sells a 97-inch OLED screen for half that price, at $15,000. https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-o... [lg.com] It can't be that much harder or expensive to scale up to 113 inches.

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