Chinese State Media Calls US a 'Surveillance Empire' Over Trackers In Chips (reuters.com) 103
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: The United States' practice of installing location trackers in chip shipments at risk of diversion to China reflects the "instincts of a surveillance empire," China's state-run media outlet Xinhua said in a commentary published on Friday. Reuters reported earlier this week that U.S. authorities had secretly placed location tracking devices in targeted shipments of advanced chips to detect diversions to China, which is under U.S. curbs for advanced chip exports. The Xinhua commentary, titled "America turns chip trade into a surveillance game," cited "reports" that Washington had embedded such trackers, accusing the United States of running "the world's most sprawling intelligence apparatus." [...] In its commentary, Xinhua accused the U.S. government of seeing its trading partners as "rivals to be tripped up or taken down," adding that "if U.S. chips are seen as Trojan horses for surveillance, customers will look elsewhere." Further reading: China Urges Firms To Avoid Nvidia H20 Chips After Trump Resumes Sales
"Ring, ring!" (Score:5, Insightful)
*picks up phone*
"Hey, Pot! This is Kettle! YOU'RE BLACK!"
How about we just admit that the US and China are both surveillance states, and have been repeatedly caught doing shady shit?
Re:"Ring, ring!" (Score:5, Informative)
The US put trackers in shipments of devices that had a specified destination, in a world regime of shipping restrictions.
One could imagine that any country that sells weapons (US, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, etc, etc, fucking etc) has at one time or another, made sure they could track their shipments to figure out how the fuck the Sudanese are getting them.
The Chinese claim is stupid as fuck and not worthy of airtime.
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(buy your own trackers from this catalog [wikipedia.org])
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You just described Israel's response to their ongoing genocide. Point at the other guy.
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While I don't dispute that, you're getting off track.
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*picks up phone*
"Hey, Pot! This is Kettle! YOU'RE BLACK!"
How about we just admit that the US and China are both surveillance states, and have been repeatedly caught doing shady shit?
There's an additional parallel in that both Trump and the Chinese at least in this case are willing to make an outrageous claim, knowing that if they yell it sufficiently loudly and confidently, their base will wholeheartedly believe it. The accusations are solely for the benefit of their base since there's no functional reason for their accusation.
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In China, the following has already happened. The constant whining about security and "enemies" is giving la Presidenta and his DOGE useful idiots cover for establishing their deep state. Recently, some fed. court of appeals (I think it was the 4th Circuit) just gave those slimy bastards the okay to slurp more of your personal information kept by the government and thus bypassing the silos built to keep it contained. And DOGE turns around and funnels it to Peter Thiel, wannabe Nazi leader. Thiel turns aroun
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In this case, the other side is actually worse, as we are finding out every day via the Russiagate coup d'etat attempt declassifications. Awaiting the treason trials.
If we're going to get a dictatorship, i'd rather it be the side that doesn't hate America.
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Sure. If China were actually concerned about making real points about the US as a surveillance state they'd just post this:
https://www.scituation.net/wp-... [scituation.net]
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That's not gonna stop them. (Score:5, Informative)
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In this case they aren't necessarily stealing foreign tech to copy it (they know they can't, not with the lithography machines in their possession). They just want to sidestep tech embargoes.
As if (Score:2)
China is wrong about this?
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and we've always been at war with Eastasia.
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Just the middle one.
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A Clear Case.. (Score:2)
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smile! (Score:5, Interesting)
" reflects the "instincts of a surveillance empire," "
This from the country with more cameras watching their populace than any other.
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Depends on what the source is. Some sources say e.g. US or UK have far more per capita.
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Oh ya?
If you were a Chinese person and made this comment, you would disappear into a van, and re-appear 6 months later with a very different attitude.
It's important to acknowledge the US backslide- but when you do so from a position completely disconnected from reality, the only thing you really accomplish is causing people to ignore the warning.
You aren't helping. You're actively making it worse.
Trump has disappeared several people (Score:3)
You know fascism is here but you crave it and you want it. So you're desperate to distract from it.
That and the Epstein files. Because those files might stop fascism in its tracks if Trump was ever forced to release them.
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[Trump has disappeared several people] Into vans so that comment no longer works. Try something else.
Here you go again.
Federal officers have apprehended individuals who are- due to our rather draconian immigration laws- criminals and fugitives.
They have been incarcerated for being so.
These people have even had access to judges (notably, habeas corpus has not been suspended- thank fuck)
This is not the same as knocking down the door of a political dissident and disappearing them.
You are making the world worse by essentially propagandizing for the Chinese (See? The US isn't worse than us! wink wink)
You know fascism is here but you crave it and you want it. So you're desperate to distract from it.
Fasc
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No "innocent" people have been sent to El Salvador (there's no hyphen).
That was my point above- some shit ass laws from the 90s that largely went unenforced are now being enforced.
These people are criminals.
The laws that allow for this kind of shit need to be changed.
Calling a dude who comes in and enforces 30 year old law a fascist is fucking unhinged.
Shipping people to El Salvador is fucked up. No question about it. But let's not pretend we've got secret police round
You're afraid (Score:2)
But you don't know what to do about it so you're going to cope the best you can.
I wonder how you will react when Trump runs for a third term in a couple of years. He's already selling Trump 2028 merchandise. I wonder what excuses you will make to get through the day then?
You know that they are working on stealing your home and your property bu
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You have figured out things are out of control and you have probably figured out at least on an emotional level that they are going to bite you in the ass.
No. Don't see them as "out of control" in the slightest. In fact, Trump hasn't even asserted more executive power than exists in historical precedent. I'll begin to sweat when he wields as much power as FDR, Jackson, or Lincoln.
But you don't know what to do about it so you're going to cope the best you can.
I know exactly what to do about it. Wait for the stupid fuckers term to end.
I wonder how you will react when Trump runs for a third term in a couple of years.
lol. It's not even fucking possible. States decide who ends up on ballots.
He's already selling Trump 2028 merchandise.
So?
You're concerned about how the con artist makes his money?
In this instance, he's producing apparel that causes people like you to
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I'm not sure what your point is.
In the US, unfortunately, one single conviction makes it so that the executive branch can revoke your residency.
Kilmar Abrego Garcia satisfies that requirement, even if we all know he's not some fucking gangster or whatever.
Making it so that this can't happen in the future means changing the laws that allowed it now.
It is your ignorance that makes it so that you can't understand what's going on, and thus, you stand no chance in hell of ever being able to fix it.
Th
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In the US, unfortunately, one single conviction makes it so that the executive branch can revoke your residency. Kilmar Abrego Garcia satisfies that requirement, even if we all know he's not some fucking gangster or whatever.
What was he convicted of, and when? According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]: "Kilmar Armando Ábrego García, a Salvadoran national, was illegally deported on March 15, 2025, by the Trump administration, which called it 'an administrative error'. At the time, he had never been charged with or convicted of a crime in either country".
Is that incorrect?
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The refugee program comes with a revokable visa.
The twat waffles in the Executive branch are going for the low hanging fruit. They've got a list of visa holders, and they're looking for any violation of the visa terms, no matter how small, and then deporting them. It's fucked up, but it's legal.
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No "innocent" people have been sent to El Salvador (there's no hyphen).
There's a hyphen when "El-Salvadorian" is used as an adjective modifying "death camps", just as hyphens are used in "the 30-year-old woman" or "the shady-looking squirrel".
These are called compound modifiers [grammarly.com] or phrasal adjectives. (Clearer description [probizwriters.com], but possibly less authoritatie.)
The proper use of hyphens has been almost completely forgotten, so we see painful abominations like "the child was only four-years-old".
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There's a hyphen when "El-Salvadorian" is used as an adjective modifying "death camps", just as hyphens are used in "the 30-year-old woman" or "the shady-looking squirrel".
Incorrect.
For the purpose of the modifier, El Salvador is one word- it's a proper noun. You do not hyphenate it. To do so is incorrect.
You are otherwise correct about how it works for compound modifiers.
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However, it should be noted that it was the parents decision to take the child, and not leave them as a citizen ward of the state.
If you're a single parent with a child that has cancer, and you go and murder someone, are you able to escape justice because of that?
You'll find yourself to be less stupid in general if you actually think through your positions before vocalizing them.
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However, it should be noted that it was the parents decision to take the child, and not leave them as a citizen ward of the state.
What's your source for that? This news story [nbcnews.com] just quotes a lawsuit, which might not be factual: "The suit alleges that despite the government’s own directives, the parents 'were never given a choice as to whether their children should be deported with them and were prohibited from contacting their counsel or having meaningful contact with their families to arrange for the care of their children.' The mothers, named in the suit as Rosario and Julia, allege they wanted their children to remain in the U
Whatever helps you sleep at night (Score:1)
But is everything starts to collapse around you nobody is going to be safe. Especially not you're a pasty old white ass.
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And I get it you are probably White and think you're safe.
I didn't illegally enter this country, and am therefor safe.
Did you? Is that why you're so spun up?
But is everything starts to collapse around you
Collapse? lol
Are you that ignorant of US history to think we're anywhere close to collapse? We're not even close to anywhere close to the worst we've been.
nobody is going to be safe. Especially not you're a pasty old white ass.
Oh ya?
You gonna rise up and kill all the white man?
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0.6% is a slow year for us, but I'm still up roughly 350% from when I bought it.
Are you predicting a collapse of the real estate market?
I fail to see how you're any less stupid than the person you replied to.
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> I didn't illegally enter this country, and am therefor safe.
Then you're an idiot unless you're white and you and your parents were birthright citizens.
They have been arresting residents. They've been intentionally cancelling visas so they can deport people.
Maybe you should watch a little less Fox News and Newsmax? It's making you more stupid.
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Then you're an idiot unless you're white and you and your parents were birthright citizens.
Na. There is a 0% chance of their success on the birthright citizenship question.
I'll grant you that being white means I'm less likely to see harassment. But don't worry- the judicial system works for those who aren't white too.
They have been arresting residents. They've been intentionally cancelling visas so they can deport people.
Unfortunately, law allows them to revoke residency. You're right that they have done so.
This is about shitty laws. A President that follows shitty laws isn't a dictator.
The laws that allow this insane horseshit were passed in the 90s, signed into law by a fucking Democrat- one of
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Presumably, if there are crimes in those files, they will have been handled by the proper authorities. If not, the next administration can look for that.
But the reality here is you aren't looking for crimes. Your looking for guilty by association.
You're looking for people to lynch.
You and the red hats that think like you aren't fooling anyone.
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Neither administration wants to do it. Because sickos like you don't care.
Or because every administration that has touched it has charged those who could be charged.
You whole culture is built upon rich/famous people being above the law. Sure everyone knows there are a bunch of pedo child traffickers. But they're rich and powerful so let them have their fun. Complete fucking sickos.
Yes, that's why Epstein and Maxwell ended up in prison, ya?
Some of those powerful people might be on my team. Better to let them all get away with it. What sick fucks.
Criminals should be locked up.
Vigilantism by ignorant fucking morons who think sex trafficking rings are being run by Democrats under Pizza Parlors in DC, on the other hand.... Well, that's your bread and butter, now isn't it?
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So hundreds of trafficked kids, thousands of hours of video evidence. But only 2 people were ever caught who "did anything wrong". Fuck you're incredibly stupid.
More than 2. We know of at least a third.
Ultimately, all it takes is for one of those victims to come forward and finger someone else. Strangely, none have.
It is known the Epstein's #1 interest in these girls was for himself.
You may as well go with a strawman. You aren't capable of much else in your lame attempt to protect child sex traffickers. You a pedo too? Or just support them for other reasons?
LOL- that's your recourse to having no argument? Accuse someone of being a pedo? What a fucking loser.
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a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.
Next dumb question, you brain damaged shit-for-brains.
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It doesn't apply to "Chinese nationals" in this case. It applies to shipping containers!
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No longer has the moral high ground
It's going to take a while to go over the last 500 years of history. Do you have time?
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The US's moral high ground has always been mostly fictional. It's been a fiction that convinced a lot of people though, both American and not.
This has been popping up around the Internet again:
https://politics.stackexchange... [stackexchange.com]
It Takes One to Know One (Score:2)
You can't count the cameras in public areas in China.
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Takes a surveillance state to know one.
China is like Hamas (Score:1, Troll)
It will say anything and do anything to snuff out individual freedom and support its goal of world domination,
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No. China is nothing like Hamas, because it's strong and doesn't need to engage in asymmetric warfare. China doesn't put its children in harm's way and spend 10 years provoking its neighbors and using the response to gain sympathy at universities and on new media.
China isn't like Israel either. It doesn't squander its goodwill frivolously. It doesn't fall in to traps set by the likes of Hamas, and if it's going to make a move that anybody might describe as "genocide", it makes clear that it doesn't care
Chinese State Media and Rueters (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe it is time for Rueters to find real news sources other that the Chinese government. Instead of quoting "Chinese State Media" they should just site that "Supreme Chinese leader Xing says". What is wrong with Reuters. It has become total garbage. It has zero integrity at all.
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Instead of quoting "Chinese State Media" they should just site that "Supreme Chinese leader Xing says".
I'm not sure what your beef is here, that's exactly what they are saying. When they quote "state media" it means that's what the government is saying, that's why they use that term. I could see your complaint if they just quoted something like Russia Today without disclosing that it is state media, but that's not the case here.
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"Chinese State Media" vs. "Supreme Chinese leader Xing"
A distinction without a difference.
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That's rich, coming from China... the country that leads the world in mass surveillance [wikipedia.org].
It's breathtaking how spokespeople for the Chinese government can be so hypocritical without producing any evidence of a twinge of conscience or even self-awareness.
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That's rich, coming from China... the country that leads the world in mass surveillance [wikipedia.org].
For those who may not know, and I'm not suggesting you are one of those people, China has for a long time engaged in "whataboutism" when criticized. The US used to complain about the Chinese government mistreating the Uyghurs, so China would at the UN give reports about how the USA was the most racist country on the planet, using reports of police misconduct against black people as proof. Arguing "The US spies on everybody and is the worst country to do this. They suck!" is a pretty typical Chinese pos
It's not me, it's you! (Score:2)
How do the trackers work? (Score:3)
Presumably the tracker figures out its location using a GPS fix, but how does it communicate that information back to the US authorities?
Radio signals aren't going to work internationally. Look for unsecured WiFi? A mobile SIM with a global roaming agreement? Apple AirTags?
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Anything external can just be removed and left in the transit country. The hardware itself is unpowered and the shipping containers are steel, which is a conductive metal. It should be obvious, but a non-existent radio signal is not going to make its way out of a Faraday cage.
The only way to do this is install a virus in the chips that would infect the host computer (maybe the driver) and then connect to the internet. Alternatively, the host computer can be infected by other means, which will then scan for
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