
Canada's Tech Job Market Has Gone From Boom To Bust In Last Five Years (msn.com) 85
Canada's tech job market has collapsed from its pandemic-era boom, with postings down 19% from 2020 levels. Analysts say the decline was sharper than the overall job market and worsened after ChatGPT's debut in 2022 fueled AI-driven shifts in workforce demand. The Canadian Press reports: "The Canadian tech world remains stuck in a hiring freeze," said Brendon Bernard, Indeed's senior economist. "While both the tech job market and the overall job market have definitely cooled off from their 2022 peaks, the cool off has been much sharper in tech." He thinks the fall was likely caused by the market adjusting after a pandemic boom in hiring along with recent artificial intelligence advances that have reduced tech firms' interest in expanding their workforces.
"We went from this really hot job market with job postings through the roof to one where job postings really crashed, falling well below their pre-pandemic levels," Bernard said. However, he sees AI's recent boom as a "watershed moment." While much of the decline in tech job postings has been in software engineer roles, Indeed found hiring for AI-related jobs was still up compared to early 2020. In fact, machine learning engineers and roles that support AI infrastructure, such as data engineers and data centre technicians, were among the job titles with postings still above early-2020 levels.
At the same time, Indeed saw postings for senior and manager-level tech jobs drop sharply from their 2022 peak, but as of early 2025, they were still up five per cent from their pre-pandemic levels. Meanwhile, basic and junior tech titles were down 25 per cent. When it compared Canada's overall decline in tech job postings, Indeed found the country's decrease from pre-pandemic levels was somewhat milder than the retrenchment it has observed in the U.S., U.K., France and Germany. The U.S. fall amounted to 34 per cent, while in the U.K. it was 41 per cent. France saw a 38 per cent drop and Germany experienced a 29 per cent decrease. "All this just highlights is that this tech hiring freeze is a global tech hiring freeze," Bernard said.
"We went from this really hot job market with job postings through the roof to one where job postings really crashed, falling well below their pre-pandemic levels," Bernard said. However, he sees AI's recent boom as a "watershed moment." While much of the decline in tech job postings has been in software engineer roles, Indeed found hiring for AI-related jobs was still up compared to early 2020. In fact, machine learning engineers and roles that support AI infrastructure, such as data engineers and data centre technicians, were among the job titles with postings still above early-2020 levels.
At the same time, Indeed saw postings for senior and manager-level tech jobs drop sharply from their 2022 peak, but as of early 2025, they were still up five per cent from their pre-pandemic levels. Meanwhile, basic and junior tech titles were down 25 per cent. When it compared Canada's overall decline in tech job postings, Indeed found the country's decrease from pre-pandemic levels was somewhat milder than the retrenchment it has observed in the U.S., U.K., France and Germany. The U.S. fall amounted to 34 per cent, while in the U.K. it was 41 per cent. France saw a 38 per cent drop and Germany experienced a 29 per cent decrease. "All this just highlights is that this tech hiring freeze is a global tech hiring freeze," Bernard said.
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What's not to like about a non-tax-funded, inflation-indexed universal basic income?
Why wait? If you want to give people free money, just fork Bitcoin into yet another pointless alt-coin and give them that.
"But it won't be worth anything, because who'd exchange goods and services for a coin that was just created by arbitrarily making a few code changes to fix that whole pesky scarcity thing?"
Is it starting to sink in, yet?
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But, how? [Re:Is basic income looking better yet?] (Score:4, Interesting)
What's not to like about a non-tax-funded, inflation-indexed universal basic income?
If it's not tax funded, how is it funded?
Re:But, how? [Re:Is basic income looking better ye (Score:4, Informative)
Probably through inflationary spending, but some people tend to forget that inflation is just a sneaky form of tax.
How is inflation a tax? (Score:1)
The governments go out of their way to stop inflation. Now mind you they do this by using high interest rates to trigger Mass layoffs but you can hardly suggest that inflation is a tax when governments do everything in their power to keep it low.
It honestly just sounds lik
Re:How is inflation a tax? (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know about wherever you live, but the inflation the US has seen in the last 10 years was mostly due to massive government spending -- some from COVID-related stimulus, much more from the dishonestly named "Inflation Reduction Act". As Milton Friedman observed, "inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon".
You're the one misattributing inflation to something you don't like. Inflation as a hidden tax is not a new idea [forbes.com]: the basic explanation is that it takes value from everyone who has money (... which excludes the debt-funded government) and gives it to the entity that is allowed to create money (... the government).
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Inflation comes from spending, government or otherwise. The more money is spent, the more demand there is for the things being purchased, the more power sellers have to raise their prices. It's basic economics.
So that is just not true (Score:2)
Government spending is extremely productive.
When we build roads or do research that turns into new products with government money that produces more goods and services which reduces inflation.
The reason our country can feed 340 million people on top of a good chunk of the rest of the world is because government funded research increased crop yields.
That translates to cheaper groceries
Re:So that is just not true (Score:4, Informative)
No, you're just spamming a wall of text full of unbacked assertions. I explained the mechanism very simply. You don't have to take my word for it -- for example, "Economists regard seigniorage [wikipedia.org] as a form of inflation tax, transferring resources to the currency issuer from holders of the existing currency."
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Just about everyone forgets that more money is created by the private sector than the government, so if they remember that inflation is a sneaky form of tax, they still forget that the private sector is the one taxing them, not the government.
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Probably through inflationary spending, but some people tend to forget that inflation is just a sneaky form of tax.
Correct. Inflation is, in fact, a tax on money.
In the situation of inflation, the people who are conservative with money put their wealth into other assets than cash.
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Re: But, how? [Re:Is basic income looking better y (Score:4, Insightful)
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What a crazy concept. We have a world leading economy and can't use any of it to improve the lives of the participants?
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Here's a crazy idea, we could automate food production and give everybody food. Then we can automate 3d printed construction and give everybody housing. Automation is supposed to be a good thing that makes our lives *better*.
No. Automation is supposed to make the owner class lives better. The rest of us will be used by automation to ensure that nothing bad happens to the owner class. That's the way society works. It's all about the top of the heap, and everything else is just festering rot. The trick is to figure out how to rise above the rot to the point you don't get any on you. Sadly, only a few will ever manage to do that.
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You think automation is free? Hardly. Automation is really, really expensive. That's why it's always the last step of scaling up production of anything. First you do it without automation, and then when your finances can handle the cost, you automate.
Where are you going to get the money to build the automation, and maintain the automation equipment?
Re: But, how? [Re:Is basic income looking better y (Score:4, Insightful)
There are only three ways to fund a government: extracting cash from foreign nations (war / tributes), extorting taxes from citizens (income / tariffs / VAT) and debt engineering (monetary / fiscal policies and platinum coins for some reason)
Modern societies are reluctant to pay the cost of blood and threatened violence to reliably extract money from foreign nations.
Democracies are reluctant to pay the political cost of reminding their citizens they are being extorted for taxes.
So elected governments tend to fall back on the monetary games, which conveniently depends only on credibility and sleight of hands and while its subtle enough has little political cost
Unfortunately by the time being subtle is not enough, the political class may not know how to use any other tool. And if you burn all credibility with shenanigans you lose the legitimacy to any of the three toolsets.
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There are only three ways to fund a government: extracting cash from foreign nations (war / tributes), extorting taxes from citizens (income / tariffs / VAT) and debt engineering (monetary / fiscal policies and platinum coins for some reason)
Almost.
A government can also own assets, and gain money in the form of rent or sales. (An example of this is a toll road.)
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The phrase is a string of words pasted together, not a real concept.
I can say I'll invent a car that uses no fuel and doesn't every breakdown, but it doesn't mean such a car could ever exist.
What they won't tell you... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What they won't tell you... (Score:5, Insightful)
Now show your work.
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Migration... as in immigrants, emigrants? People moving from one part of Canada to another? Not quite sure what you're getting at there.
Re:What they won't tell you... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Canada is experiencing record high migration. Put two and two together.
Found the racists in the pack...
Cancer rates have also declined, so will you 'blame the immigrants' for that too?
Let’s parse the logic:
1) Increase cheap imported labor to record levels.
2) See stagnant wages, see higher unemployment.
3) Correlate 1 and 2? That’s racist!
But congrats on the score 4 insightful! That enthusiasm certainly makes corporations and progressives happy.
Or didn’t you know that, in the U.S., the majority of rich Americans vote Democrat? Those earning 100K or more, and the majority of billionaires. It seems very likely the same is happening in Canada, but, let me guess, noticing tha
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Probably doesn't help (Score:4, Interesting)
The US sowing economic uncertainty around the globe with its constantly shifting tariff levels and its general threats to Canadian sovereignty likely dont help either.
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Canada makes bad economic and foreign policy decisions decisions.
Trump's fault!
I'm sure that tariff uncertainty had nothing to do with making a lot of dumb public "I'm gunna stick it to Trump!" statements and then trying to stand up to their major trading partner they share a giant border with and an economy 10x bigger while not negotiating in good faith and then finally backing down completely with tail between their legs.
Tl:dr: Canada is run by tow morons who fucked their own people because they hate Trum
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Right, the best thing to do is to cave in to a bully. They'd never come back around again with more demands later.
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"OMG"!!!
Your world outlook is delusion.
Trump is bullying them, he's made loads of false claims about them and based on those claims he's demanding compensation. He's also making noises about wanting Canada to join the US and when asked about it won't rule out military use.
What Canada should have done is banded together with other countries to negotiate collectively. They get Europe, and maybe a handful of other countries standing with them and all of a sudden the US is under threat of taking more hurt then they are. Regardless of what they should have done though, it does not at all change the fact the Trump has been bullying them and will be back for more when he gets what he wants. History supports this conclusion, Canada already went through trade talks with Trump during his last administration. Now, even though nothing has changed in our relationship, Trump is back demanding more with made up claims of fentanyl smuggling that as usual aren't supported by any data.
You can complain all you want about the term "bully" sounding childish to you, that won't change the fact that it's an incredibly apt description for how Trump conducts himself. He doesn't start with dialog, it's straight to threats to an allied country. He's lying about and mocking them. He's trying to extort wealth from them. He's threatening their sovereignty. Fact is, all you can do is pitch a fit over me using the term because you know you can't refute the accuracy of it.
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Boo hoo, Trump is a bully! Who is Canada going to complain to?
Mommy?
The teacher?
Silly childish crap.
Nice strawman. Never mind youre backing a US president acting like a belligerent on the national stage.
Sure banding together might have worked except no, Trump is not important. Each individual country has their own interests which do not necessarily align.
What are you talking about about? They align perfectly right now in regards to this. Trump is trying to extort money from everyone right now, it's in all of these countries best interest to band together.
America first, pal. Put your own interests ahead of crybabying about Trump and you'll do better. What Canada did is called "cutting off your nose to spite your face" in my country. I'm sure you have some equivalent phrase.
The thing is, I am putting America first. It's you folks that are ruining America's place on the world stage. We're not so strong we can go it alone in this world, if we act like the town bully for long en
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Boo hoo, Trump is a bully! Who is Canada going to complain to?
Mommy?
The teacher?
Silly childish crap.
Nice strawman. Never mind youre backing a US president acting like a belligerent on the national stage.
Nice strawman. Nice deflection. Deliberately missing the point.
Canada is not a small nation, and is fully capable of going its own way, yet the position you’re taking implies little agency against mean old Trump and little agency in its own current overall economic predicament.
Canada’s general issue is that it’s spent around two decades doubling down on flooding in cheap labor, inflationary government spending, regulations, and taxes - leading to acute housing costs, stagnating wages, a mo
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Nice strawman. Nice deflection. Deliberately missing the point.
Canada is not a small nation, and is fully capable of going its own way, yet the position you’re taking implies little agency against mean old Trump and little agency in its own current overall economic predicament.
No, I got the point. You just didnt bother to read everything.
The above stated that Canada trying to negotiate with us was doomed to failure because they were too small for leverage. There's some truth to that. They will take way more hurt from a trade war from the US then we would on our end. Hence them banding together with other nations Trump is going after is a good idea.
Canada’s general issue is that it’s spent around two decades doubling down on flooding in cheap labor, inflationary government spending, regulations, and taxes - leading to acute housing costs, stagnating wages, a moribund private enterprise sector, and rising unemployment.
Nice right wing rant but you really need to read everything before posting. Clearly stated in the summary above you will see that tons
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They did cut a deal with Trump last time he was in office, NAFTA as usual he broke it, why deal with someone who never keeps up his end?
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Oh I see. So we should just give up now and let Trump take us over since it's inevitable. With friends like that who needs enemies.
Re:Probably doesn't help (Score:4, Informative)
Half the world has stopped sending mail to the USA because of the tariff shit show. https://www.nbcnews.com/world/... [nbcnews.com]
Have you heard the elderly dementia patient speak lately? Christ if Biden said anything even close to this they'd have admitted him to the hospital and sworn in Kamala. https://news.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]
“You know, China intelligently went and they sort of took a monopoly of the world’s magnets, and nobody needed magnets until they convinced everybody 20 years ago, ‘Let’s all do magnets,’” Trump went on. “There were many other ways that the world could have gone.”
“I sent them all of the parts so their planes can fly,” Trump said of China. “200 of their planes were unable to fly because we were not giving them Boeing parts purposely because they weren’t giving us magnets.”
“But we have a much more powerful thing, and that’s tariffs,” he said, adding: “We’re going to have a lot of magnets in a pretty short period of time.”
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"Hey, you know that giant economy that is deliberately being run into the ground by a government stripping everyone's rights and tearing apart the social safety net? Yeah, you should want to join that dumpster fire!"
Your post has to be among the dumbest takes I've ever read on anything.
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I see you're another wonderful product of the GOP-sabotaged American educational system. Congratulations on falling for the myth of American Exceptionalism even as it's causing you to slit your own throats.
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Why are you dragging Puerto Rico into the conversation?
Education has failed (Score:3)
Training idiots to follow procedure does not produce the critical, analytical, and logical thinking we need. Instead we have lots of people doing what their textbooks said was right. You can't build an empire on that!
Misleading and inconclusive (Score:5, Insightful)
It focuses on Canada because it's written by a Canadian news media. However, it says Canada experiences a very mild effect compared to several other countries, USA/UK/France/Germany which are all worse.
Therefore for all folks here who try to explain the "bad" results with immigrants or something like that, it's more the contrary, how to explain the GOOD results of CANADA while other countries performed worse.
Then the paper tries to explain the results by the recent AI. But it finally cites different countries (Australia, Singapore, Spain) which experienced POSITIVE job change, and says it's because the overall job market in those countries remained high. Which, if we accept this interpretation, means all of the previous is wrong, nothing is due to AI, only to the "overall job market" in each of the countries.
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AI is mostly ignored in many countries. There is no investment in it because there is no giant software industry ... and therefore no rush to embrace it by potential customers. You get a few specialist customers and some experimenting and that's about it.
I see this as the reason why some countries are not showing the same job market effects. Therefore the explanation of AI being the reason for changing job prospects in USA/Canada is entirely likely.
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So sucking less is now considered a success story...good to know....*sigh*
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Global Socio-Economic collapse in progress (Score:2)
Once again another nail in the coffin of this civilisation.
Theres a 5% chance of us diverting to a trajectory that does not
lead to extinction.
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Once again another nail in the coffin of this civilisation.
i guess you mean "western civilization". no argument here but that's not "global". in globalland, most of the rest of the world is doing relatively well.
Theres a 5% chance of us diverting to a trajectory that does not
lead to extinction.
no argument on that either. maybe the world will be better off when this civilization led by hypocritical, supremacist and exploitative gutmenschen is finally put in its place, but it may get so desperate as to wanting to spoil the fun for everyone first. in the long run, however, i sadly wouldn't bet on our species being a success story anyway. one has to
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If the western civilisation collapses, it will take the rest of the world with it, simply because losing a gigantic chunk of the world's economy, tech source and food supply will have disastrous consequences.
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it will be felt but imo that's a bit of an exaggeration. as long as we go down peacefully all that will be manageable, we might even enjoy some help and cooperation to meet ends and stay afloat. all we have to do is to stop acting like overlords. we aren't anymore. we should just ... be normal. the rest of the world just wants to be normal, mind its business.
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It won't be fine at all. Middle East and many other things countries in Africa are unable to feed themselves. There were huge problems with wheat supply there when Russia started the invasion of Ukraine. It would be several orders of magnitude worse if the EU, for example, goes under.
Economic uncertainty, not "AI" (Score:1)
Bitches (Score:1)
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Tech job slowdown in Canada: counterexample (Score:2)