EU To Boost Satellite Defences Against GPS Jamming, Defence Commissioner Says (reuters.com) 39
An anonymous reader shares a report: The European Union will deploy additional satellites in low Earth orbit to strengthen resilience against GPS interferences and will improve capabilities to detect it, EU Defence Commissioner Andrius Kubilius said on Monday. His remarks followed an incident on Sunday in which the GPS system aboard European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's aircraft was jammed en route to Bulgaria. Bulgarian authorities suspect the jamming was due to due to interference by Russia, an EU spokesperson said.
Weighted average of multiple GNSS systems (Score:4, Interesting)
As early as 2018, even earlier, Polish scientists (Poland is a member of NATO) were working on using multiple GNSSs to improve acuracy and being more resilient to interference/jaming/spoofing
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292... [mdpi.com]
That plane had (Military Grade)GPS + (Military Grade) Galileo and yet was Jammed? Either the Russians are very advanced in the Jamming Game, or the europeans are very lazy hardening their (Military Grade) GNSS Systems
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Comments we have had in the framework the Donbas war say Russia is very advanced in electronic warfare. (It could be the Europeans were also concomitantly bad at hardening their GNSS.)
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Maybe, but how many regular commercial ships and planes have access to this military grade stuff?
I'd wager the plane of the president of the eurpean union has access to the military grade stuff. And that is the plane TFS and TFA mention explicitly . So....
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The aircraft in question is a Dassault Falcon 900LX owned and operated by Luxaviation Belgium.
In other words, the aircraft in question is a private charter jet owned by a private company - its not a dedicated aircraft, its not a military aircraft, its not owned by the EU.
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Commercial ships and aircraft near land can almost certainly get accurate navigation from VORTAC and similar systems.
Satellite navigation is easy to spoof and jam because the signals are so weak. The signals are weak because they are running on solar power and batteries, and are thousands of miles above the Earth. VORTAC is a system that can transmit with more power as they are ground based and have access to power from an electrical grid. It's line-of-sight though which means range is limited.
There were
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LORAN is making a comeback, but the main issue is that it's a ground wave signal and thus subject to error from the shape of the terrain between the transmitter and the receiver. These days a database of corrections can be maintained for areas that can be surveyed in advance, but for military deployment to unsurveyed ares they are trying to develop ways of estimating the additional signal delay from satellite data about the shape of the terrain.
AM has issues with reflections off the upper atmosphere. Again,
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There's not just use of the multiple satellite navigation systems to get a location but increased use of inertial and celestial navigation.
Inertial navigation needs a reference point upon being booted up to be useful, it is incapable of telling you where you are without some indication on where you've been. I can recall mention of airports having coordinates painted on the side of buildings so that aircraft crew can enter an accurate start point into the inertial navigation than wait for GPS, VORTAC, or wh
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Even Better:
Quantum navigation
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/07/what-is-quantum-navigation-earth-observation/
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I did not find that the plane had military-grade systems. The picture from the Bulgarian information services shows a Falcon 900LX aircraft registration OO-GPE, belonging to Luxaviation Belgium. It's a civilian jet that any other day it be carrying CEOs or celebrities. https://www.ainonline.com/avia... [ainonline.com]
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I did not find that the plane had military-grade systems. The picture from the Bulgarian information services shows a Falcon 900LX aircraft registration OO-GPE, belonging to Luxaviation Belgium. It's a civilian jet that any other day it be carrying CEOs or celebrities. https://www.ainonline.com/avia... [ainonline.com]
So, the europeans (union) are so lazy that they let their leader fly in a plain Flacon 900LX plane?!
Not a miliatry hardened/modified Falcon 900XL Plane?!
While a land war rages in europe (the continent) cor ~3 years now!
Les mots me manquent.
Re:Weighted average of multiple GNSS systems (Score:5, Informative)
The whole "European integration project" or "construction of Europe" is civilian at heart. The European Commission (EC) does not own aircraft, the president of the EC is not head of any army, and the current budget of the EC is equal to 3% of the US Federal Budget (170 billion euros). Galileo is not supposed to be military at all so I don't know if he could have military hardening.
Most news show Von der Leyen arriving at her meeting in a helicopter. That is because she arrived Bulgaria, a sovereign State which operates an army and air force, and the Bulgarian protocol lend her a military helicopter for her convenience. There are no reports this helicopter go jammed. Von der Leyen does not have such military equipment on the EC dime in Brussels.
Note: There is a rapid reaction force called Eurocorps with 11 participating States, headquartered in Strasbourg but it is subordinated to each of their States and NOT to the EC. There is a European Maritime Force with 4 participating states, which similarly IS NOT established at the EU level. There was a European Rapid Operational Force, now dissolved.
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Also: The attributions of the Commissionner of Defence https://commission.europa.eu/a... [europa.eu] do NOT include "defend Europe" (he does not have an army to do so).
There is Battlegroup with 1500 men, only tasked with humanitarian and peacekeeping, and never deployed in 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] Again, It is NOT under the EC (NOT under Von der Leyen), but under the Council (the heads of States of each EU country). Because the EC has no direct military role, it's always the member countries.
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Galileo did have a military/government only signal with higher accuracy, but a couple of years ago they decided to open it up to everyone.
Jamming resistance is more accurately spoofing resistance. There isn't much anyone can do when the channel is being jammed by a high power transmitter, but they can make it difficult to spoof the signal and make a receiver think it is somewhere that it isn't. Galileo is decent at that, better than the older systems like GPS and GLONASS, but none of them are immune to it.
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So, the europeans (union) are so lazy that they let their leader fly in a plain Flacon 900LX plane?!
Actually you'll find this fascination with hardening transport for leaders is an almost uniquely American thing among democracies. I say among democracies because dictatorships surround themselves by military for obvious reasons.
I recall a G20 summit in Australia. Obama showed up on Airforce one, with support planes on Goldcoast airport, took Ospreys (or something that looked like them, I'm not a helicopter nerd) landed in Victoria park, then he and his body double took multiple massive cars with heavily secured motorcades (were they beasts? Don't know, they were custom though, do the beasts fly with him?) via two independent routes to the Southbank convention centre.
Virtually every other leader landed in a mix of a commercial flight, or a chartered private plane, got picked up in a normal car that had temporary diplomatic plates slapped on them, and had a single policeman on motorbikes follow them around. In the evening Obama went to a secure hotel where most of the floors were booked out by secret service and was hidden from public view.
In the meantime Merkel left the controlled area and went to have drinks in the city while taking selfies with the locals. The Thai PM told a police officer to kindly fuck off when he warned her about leaving the secure area.
Your president hides in a bullet proof truck costing tax payers millions. The Dutch PM cycles to work on a stock standard off the shelf Gazelle city bike. The Australian PM used to go jogging without security (the current one is of Trumps... shape, I think he's only ever jogged to a McDonalds). Chancellor Merz in Germany recently kicked up a shitshow because he dared to charter a private flight instead of flying commercial.
Most of the world stopped worshipping kings long ago.
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So, the europeans (union) are so lazy that they let their leader fly in a plain Flacon 900LX plane?!
Actually you'll find this fascination with hardening transport for leaders is an almost uniquely American thing among democracies. I say among democracies because dictatorships surround themselves by military for obvious reasons.
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Your president hides in a bullet proof truck costing tax payers millions.
I am not an USoAn, but I live in one of those "dictatorships" you allude (if you care about which one, you can search my comment history). So I hope you understand my confusion. Your information was interesting.
Having said that, I still do believe that a president/head of state has to have a dedicated plane, with heightened security and more roboust flight systems. It does not have to be a 747 decorated in Gold leaf with every conceivable luxury inside, but rather something utilitarian, that does the job an
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Why does the president "need" to have that? He's just a guy doing a job. He's put in that place through a process that could replace him. There's succession planning in place in case of emergencies.
America has lost several presidents, and nothing bad ended. Many countries have their most prominent political figure swapped out at a whim (Australia for example was known to back stab prime ministers, at one point the joke was "oh we have a new PM, must be time to test the smoke alarms again")
Having systems in
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GPS signals are very weak and require a lot of magic in software and filtering. Military grade just means they get greater accuracy. There isn’t much you can do against signal jamming when what you’re looking for is barely above the noise floor.
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Err your paper has nothing to do with jamming, and it can't have anything to do with jamming. Hardening against interference wiping out the signal you're trying to measure is not a thing. What "military grade" means in this context is resistance to spoofing - i.e. giving you false co-ordinates. What Russia is doing is outright jamming - electronic navigation systems fail to pick up any satellites.
This is simple to do given how incredibly weak GPS signals are. Europeans aren't lazy, you simply have no idea w
triangulation (Score:2)
Seems like it would be pretty easy to figure out where the jamming is coming from.
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Seems like it would be pretty easy to figure out where the jamming is coming from.
I would think so too. Where I'd expect an issue is in doing anything about it.
As an example Hamas is known to hide military command centers and weapon caches under or in schools, hospitals, and residences. Okay, now imagine a GPS jammer is traced to such a location. Do you launch a missile at it? Lob artillery? Drop a bomb? We have accurate anti-radiation weapons but they could do more than destroy a radio transmitter. Is jamming a GPS signal sufficient cause to use force?
How accurate are our anti-ra
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Seems like it would be pretty easy to figure out where the jamming is coming from.
Like done: https://www.defensenews.com/gl... [defensenews.com] (article two months old so predates this particular incident).
Even more dangerous than usual (Score:3)
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An animal backed into a corner is a dangerous situation, especially when plutonium, and lithium deuteride are involved.
Should the EU not rather boost Galileo? (Score:2)
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"GPS" is used as a synonym of GNSS. In "I turned on GPS on my mobile phone", the phone might be Galileo, GLONASS and/or Weibo as a system, people still say "GPS".
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"GPS" is used as a synonym of GNSS.
Indeed. The satellite navigation system operated by the US Space Force is, or at least was, called Navstar. Most any "GPS" receiver produced today will use Navstar, Galileo, and maybe also GLONASS, to get a location and navigate.
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Maybe the Westerns should take the hint that their governments are manipulating them with misinformation and false flags.
https://x.com/flightradar24/st... [x.com]
That is why Queen Ursula's plane story appeared (Score:1)
And as usual, it turned out to be a blatant lie.
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Concern warfare (Score:1)