Reuters Withdraws Xi, Putin Longevity Video After China State TV Pulls Legal Permission To Use It (reuters.com) 93
An anonymous reader writes: Reuters News on Friday withdrew a four-minute video containing an exchange between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping discussing the possibility that humans can live to 150 years old, after China state TV demanded its removal and withdrew the legal permission to use it.
The footage, which included the open mic exchange from the military parade in Beijing marking the 80th anniversary of the end of World War Two, was licensed by the China state television network, China Central Television (CCTV). The clips were edited by Reuters into a four-minute video and distributed to more than 1,000 global media clients including major international news broadcasters and TV stations around the world. Other news agency licensees of CCTV also distributed edits of the footage.
Reuters removed the video from its website and issued a "kill" order to its clients on Friday after receiving a written request from CCTV's lawyer. The letter said the news agency exceeded usage terms of its agreement. The letter further criticized Reuters "editorial treatment applied to this material," but did not specify details.
The footage, which included the open mic exchange from the military parade in Beijing marking the 80th anniversary of the end of World War Two, was licensed by the China state television network, China Central Television (CCTV). The clips were edited by Reuters into a four-minute video and distributed to more than 1,000 global media clients including major international news broadcasters and TV stations around the world. Other news agency licensees of CCTV also distributed edits of the footage.
Reuters removed the video from its website and issued a "kill" order to its clients on Friday after receiving a written request from CCTV's lawyer. The letter said the news agency exceeded usage terms of its agreement. The letter further criticized Reuters "editorial treatment applied to this material," but did not specify details.
Rich folks want to be vampires (Score:2, Informative)
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He said exactly that. If "the people" (and communists like talking about "the people") wouldn't accept communism, it was the state's duty to bring it at the barrel of a gun.
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do you think marx said to have communism you need to murder people? He said exactly that. If "the people" (and communists like talking about "the people") wouldn't accept communism, it was the state's duty to bring it at the barrel of a gun.
Marx did not say that, nor anything like that.
I believe you are confusing Marx with Mao, who said "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." (in "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II.)
If you can't distinguish Marx from Mao, you really shouldn't be commenting on what Marx (or Mao) said.
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do you think marx said to have communism you need to murder people?
What happens when the people you're seizing the means of production from don't want to let you seize it? Asking for a friend.
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If that's your standard then any form of law enforcement is also advocating for "murdering people"
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I was this many years old when I learned that "revolution" was "law enforcement."
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Same thing that happens under capitalism. Or socialism. Or any other system. Depends on how much people don't want something and how much they are resisting whatever the current law is. Try it out, say no to capitalism, go try to take what you think you "need", as you would under communism, from someone that disagrees with you. Depending on how much you insist, police will likely get involved, if you disagree and resist... there can be severe life changing/ending consequences. Same as communism really. So i
Re: Rich folks want to be vampires (Score:2)
for example that everybody gets what they need and most of what they want and in return they give what the can - important things are owned by a benevolent state which makes sure they are looked after, maintained, developed and available to all, sounds fine. There are some moral questions
Dude, that sounds exactly like my job, do we work at the same company?
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Perhaps you want to feel you should be allowed to reclaim the word "communism"? Well, let me say, you don't even today get to say "Enlightened Mongol Horde". This is not like reclaiming the word "hacker", it's a totally different scale of thing. Find a different name for yourself, explain clearly to people how you are going to ensure that you don't have to enforce things on them in the way that the Bolsheviks and Maoists did.
Socialism more or less fits the bill I think. Lots of European countries have socialist democratic parties, and those parties have been very successful in the past at creating well-faring states with fair judicial systems, but not so much in recent times. Currently some extreme right parties also use the term "social" and/or "democratic" in their name , meaning they wish to be social only with some people and not other (because of their gender, skin color, national origin or other discriminatory features),
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Gotta love how this number bounces all over the place depending on the political outlook of the writer, one poster here claimed that Mao killed over 300 million (so over a third of the population) in the Great Leap Forward. The CIA's estimate for the death toll in the Cultural Revolution has varied from under 10 million in the 1970s to something over 30 million during Raygun's reign of error and then back down again. Any estimate from any western source should be taken with a whole shaker of salt (pretty
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And because helping others always takes a backseat to human greed. Don't believe me? I'll pay you to mow my lawn, or you can do it to be nice.
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Re:Rich folks want to be vampires (Score:4, Insightful)
The conservatives were right about one thing: any system that punishes productivity and rewards neediness is not long-term sustainable.
Funny how they only want to not reward neediness and DGAF about how their systems create it. Republicans have been attacking education since the Reagan administration, which makes low-information voters so they can get elected, but also creates low-skill workers who cannot find employment. Then they cry about the rising cost of social programs and tell lies about Democrats trying to keep people on those programs forever (while Democrats are constantly trying to get funding for programs proven to help people get off of those programs the Republicans don't want to fund) while they are the ones who have increased the demand for them.
By exactly the same token, the Republicans fight funding for programs which are proven to reduce crime and/or recidivism and then cry about the cost of imprisonment and promote the death penalty as a way to reduce it, despite the fact that it doesn't do that (unless you simply execute every criminal, which some of them would love to do) and several of their states are financially dependent on prison labor and would collapse without it.
What the conservative were right about is that they could subject their constituents to any amount of abuse, and they would cheer for it and demand more boots to lick.
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A successful administration, whether its goals are positive or to destroy the nation like Krasnov is working to do, pursues multiple goals with every action. Trump isn't smart enough for even 3d chess, but he's got advisors.
So with that said, the other obvious reason for the policy is that the fossil fuel industry wants alt power killed, and they have the money to get it done.
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Are you defending the education system that many liberals lovingly refer to as the "school to prison pipeline" or that has left many adults buried under collective debt that is now in the trillions of dollars.
I'm personally all in favor of any program that is so good it eliminates itself out of existence through its own success, but I don't see many of those. I can name a few (Califor
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Are you defending the education system that many liberals lovingly refer to as the "school to prison pipeline"
It's not about whether I'm defending it, it's about whether Republicans are attacking it. Nice attempt at an inversion there though. Not so nice that you didn't fail, but still.
What programs are reducing recidivism that aren't being used?
https://progressive.org/op-eds... [progressive.org]
https://counciloncj.org/doj-fu... [counciloncj.org]
https://www.bbc.com/news/artic... [bbc.com]
https://www.nasfaa.org/news-it... [nasfaa.org]
https://michiganadvance.com/20... [michiganadvance.com]
Blah blah blah, this is just a lazy response to your both intellectually and generally lazy question.
How would you feel about the statement that Democrats could "subject their constituents to any amount of abuse, and they would cheer for it and demand more boots to lick?"
I would feel like you're an idiot who can't come up with rational ob
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(while Democrats are constantly trying to get funding for programs proven to help people get off of those programs the Republicans don't want to fund)
Yeah, I am going to need some citations to even start believing this bullshit. Democrats have been first at the table to sign a LOT of legislation that have been horrible and Constitutionally questionable. DMCA, PATRIOT act etc. Just because Democrats as a whole are better than Republicans as a whole, the Democrats are still absolutely terrible people creating social classes that are specifically rejected by the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
And that is why it is "good" for Trump to be in
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Re:Rich folks want to be vampires (Score:4, Interesting)
I have a more cynical view.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries are the most heavily invested at making money on from the day you are born, to the day you draw your last tortured, well-past-best-by-date, please-kill-me-10-years-ago breath.
I saw it with my grandma, my aunt, and others. People are kept alive just so the docs and pharmas can milk them for 20 years more than they normally would've. For 100% selfish reasons. Not for the patient -- it's "for the family." "Oh how wonderful that you had your grandma 'til so late". Yea buddy, at the end she was trippin' balls, talking about the farm she hadn't seen since the 50's. Her last 10 years were horrible, but of course her daughters were thrilled even tho they were the ones caring for her.
Disgusting. We're like cattle to them.
Yeah, those in power want power forever, but the medical and pharma bros are far worse in how they seek to extend life solely to cash in on that extension.
Re:Rich folks want to be vampires (Score:5, Insightful)
And it's so cynical as to be kind of wrong? I'll do the job nobody wants to and stand up for "big pharma"
Pharmaceuticals gave us and still provide inoculation which are actual *cures* to diseases, despite what some folks today say about those. Measles and polio has tons of long term side effects they could profit off of. What about Big Iron Lung?
Cancer survival rates have been going up decade after decade and we are really starting to gain traction with much better treatments for many of them many even with potential cures thanks to stuff like CRISPR and mRNA.
HIV has been made almost irrelevant for those afflicted and we are close to multiple paths to an actual cure.
Now are the incentives of how pharmaceutical companies lobby, advertise and price their products completely fucked in the United States? Absolutely. Does that mean the research and products they produce are scams or ineffective? No, those are political problems. The Grandma Question you lay out is something that is kind of a privilege of our American capitalist-free-for all insurance system as well as something that the wealthy can take advantage of.
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I've worked with pharma. It's complicated.
Pharma companies do make vaccines. Some of them are made and sold at a loss, and quite often given away. Some drugs too. Lots of those vaccines and drugs are the result of public research, but lots of the people who originally discovered them end up getting jobs in pharma, because our academic system is designed to train lots of cheap labour without much thought as to what those people are supposed to do after.
Other drugs are mercilessly marketed, including with tac
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Vaccination and antibiotics and antiparasitics have worked so incredibly well that it's jaded us to the fact that so many diseases that are left are really really difficult or impossible to actually cure.
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Healthcare is one of those things that shouldn't be left to capitalism. Everywhere that healthcare doesn't suck, it's socialized.
That includes research into new treatments, to an extent. The big pharma companies often take research done by publicly funded universities, and build it into a product. That's no trivial amount of work, don't misunderstand me, but they are still leeching.
Given the budgets involved, it would make sense to directly fund a lot of this work and have the resulting medications made ava
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Oh I absolutely agree on those points and that's what I want people to understand, we can be unhappy about the perverse incentives that pharma companies operate with in the US but that's a regulatory issue. There isn't some sinister conspiracy to keep people sick, people have access to better mediations than anytime in history but if we want the outcomes they're asking to the problems they describe my question to those folks is "oh yeah, who'd you vote for?"
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I don't know if you're just venting about some dispute you think you have with your mother and her sisters, but your emotions have clearly run well past your reason here.
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If a person wants to live long, by all means give them the means to do so. This is what is great about modern medicine and evolving medications and treatments.
However, stretching a person's life against their wish just because it is possible even if they are truly suffering is where the problem lies.
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We're allowed to euthanize our pets when they suffer but it's murder if we make that choice about grandma.
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The drug companies didn't invent dementia. Alzheimer's was described in1906 and named in 1910, but there was a broad understanding before of older people going in to mental decline--even in ancient times. There's always going to be a leading cause of death. Increased health will lead to increased life spans and reveal new problems. That's what happened with senile dementia. More old people, so more people get it. Those same doctors and drug companies are working on cures and treatments ad yes treatment
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Erm...
Look, I'm going through this right now. And I don't really agree entirely. Sure if she was left to her own devices, she'd have long since died from dehydration, starvation or a fall. It's certainly not wonderful for her or anyone. It's harrowing to visit and when she had any marbles left at all she said she wanted to die.
Bu what's the choice? Currently medically assisted suicide isn't legal and likely won't be for people who are considered to lack mental capacity. So, do you leave the person to die ho
Elizabeth Bathory (Score:3)
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They want to get powerful, stay powerful, and live forever.
Who doesn't want to live forever? It's such a base desire/emotion/instinct that it's been a common trope in story telling for a very long time. The stories often end badly for those that get what they want, because of some other base feelings on how the world works, or should work.
The image of a boot stepping on your face: forever. That's why Communist and other Evil Guys do so much research in the area of longevity.
I'm pretty sure that this isn't why they do this research but by being people that have little respect for the lives of others they give themselves permission to perform these experiments for "the greater good" or some other BS
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Who doesn't want to live forever?
Forever is an awfully long time. And it's going to get pretty grim indefinitely when the universe really gets on to winding down to its inevitable heat death.
I think most people simply want to live longer, not for ever. But it also depends. If I could live much longer as I am now (or ideally 10-20 years ago), then sure. If I could live much longer as my aged relatives were at the end of their life with a broken down body and fading mind, that does not sound nearly so appeali
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Many empires fell because their dictator/king/queen died and the heirs were incompetent. History would be very different if not for such natural "term limits".
Ukraine may have better odds with Putin's follow-on. The new guy won't have his ego tied to the battle such that he may be willing to settle so as to get the economy back to normal by having sanctions removed as part of the settlement.
Info op (Score:2)
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Don't forget, you're doing it too.
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There is still wide discussion about the IV's he's obviously getting in the bruised hand.
Add in the recent photos of him looking like a corpse, and yeah, anyone who is paying attention knows he's in bad shape.
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Cripes, anyone who listens to him speak for more than a minute or two should be able to figure that out.
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Which is not to say that we shouldn't be suspicious about the President's health, the prior administration is a clear example of why we should be.
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Just in case I'm wrong about one of those, here is a link [theguardian.com] to get you started. If you look at it, you will find it is reporting on said speculation and contains several links to same across multiple services.
and possibly some other old person stuff going on.
Wait, is that.... on
Off-Topic (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact that this is a story about (a) Xi Ping and Putin and (b) international News Media bowing down to them, and yet: Every single comment on the site here is a general screed against Trump/Republicans tells you everything you need to know about Slashdot.
Nobody even blinking at the liberal media bowing down to the Commies.
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90% of this is responses to the first post which was "communism is evil". And very few of those responses seem to be about Trump. You seem to have an inability to see reality.
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Reuters is not liberal.
Of course! Here’s the proof! I found the Reuter’s Biden era fact check manual, and it’s OBVIOUSLY perfectly neutral:
* The inflation is small and “temporary”. The working class is doing well economically.
* The U.S. border is secure.
* The Steele Report is gospel, Hillary didn’t fund it, the laptop is a Russian plant, the lab leak theory is propaganda.
* Biden is fully mentally competent. He selflessly bowed out of his reelection campaign. Pelosi, Obama, Schumer and Jeffries
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Honestly I see little difference between Putin, Xi, and Trump. They are all sides of the same coin (yes a three-sided coin. haha). Now that the GOP no longer cares about the constitution at all, have relinquished all congressional power to the president, and kicked out anyone that had the gall to stand up for what was right, they are no different than the CCP or Putin's party, even if their preferred economic system varies. Putin and Trump are happy to let the oligarchs own things provided they pay tribut
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They are all sides of the same coin
More accurate to say they are all on the same side of a coin. Only real difference is that Trump is a wannabe of the other two, and not quite smart enough.
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Every single comment on the site here is a general screed against Trump/Republicans
Lets look at the list of topics before this one:
"Rich folks want to be vampires" - about the rich seeking immortality
"Anything that openly discusses..." - about elites desiring to keep their plans for immortality secret
"Pooh and Eeyore" - a slight toward Xi and Putin
"Info op" - actually about Trump in relation to the story
So, that makes one topic that that is related to Trump and zero screeds against Trump/Republicans.
Nobody even blinking at the liberal media bowing down to the Commies.
1. Reuters is a non-partisan media outlet. Why you believe they are liberal in nature is a mystery.
2. It's a literal dictatorship. The options are comply with the local law or leave the country entirely and never return. What action did you expect them to take?
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Nobody even blinking at the liberal media bowing down to the Commies.
This isn't bowing down to commies, this is respecting rights to materials as they were published. They are a core media company, not respecting IP rights can get them blacklisted or worse.
They are merely taking down a video that was legally withdrawn, that is typically within the rights of the IP holders when they provide content to media outlets.
Every single comment on the site here is a general screed against Trump/Republicans
Funny how people are more against people doing blatantly illegal things rather than simply following rules as written. Look I hate Xi and Putin as much as the next
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By "bowing down" you mean complying with international and local copyright law?
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The Berne convention, WIPO copyright treaty, half a dozen others.
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Tell you what. If you don't think recorded audio is copyrightable, why don't you hit up The Pirate Bay and download the complete collection of Disney soundtracks then make a nice web site sharing it.
I suspect you're mad because you didn't bother to read the summary before you made up some bullshit conspiracy theory about OMG CHINA and now you're stuck defending it.
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It should be about Reuters maliciously editing bits and pieces of their conversations to throw it in the worst light conceivable as well, but of course it won't be.
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I take it you have access to the complete, unedited version of the conversation. Please share.
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Please explain to me why you think that Reuters, a news agency, is liberal.
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Well it's blatantly obvious. Any news outlet that doesn't openly praise the dear leader is liberal. Critical stories are unpatriotic and unamerican. It's quite a different world, especially looking at it from the outside. So really Fox and Newsmax are the only news outlets that are "unbiased" if you can say that with straight face. I wouldn't call them conservative. Very little about the right wing is conservative these days.
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I doubt it has anything to do with communism, and China isn't communist anyway. It's to do with copyright, that great capitalist invention.
Reuters and other news agencies are quite big on copyright, because it's how they get paid. Syndication of their articles and photos, and their only defence against AI companies using it all for training their replacements.
I sometimes get copyright claims on YouTube from Russia. I don't care if my videos are not viewable in Russia, and I don't think it's some conspiracy
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Aye, Social Media has become a platform for propaganda first.
the noise is getting too loud and people are rejecting social media as they rejected the TV, newspaper and radio in their times.
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Is the video archived somewhere ... (Score:2)
... out of reach of copyright-takedown notices?
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suit yourself: https://www.youtube.com/shorts... [youtube.com]
it's inconsequential chatter about a topic which i myself have similarly discussed several times with several people in similar fashion. if anything, it displays a level of familiarity between these two leaders that makes some western politicians and pundits bite their own toes off in rage, but which they actually helped to materialize.
china is quite scrupulous about the image of its leader. i'm not sure this is a smart move, streissand effect and all that, bu
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WHOOSH!!!!
I believe the gp was trying to be sarcastic.
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sorry to spoil the fun, but no, i'm not. i'm always sarcastic, that's just a personal inclination, but i meant it. i might be wrong, ofc.
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Is the reason propaganda?
no, karen. it's because they are experienced politicians, cultured, knowledgeable, systematic, serious, cautious, diplomatic and with deeply strategic thinking, with long and highly successful careers that have improved substantially their citizens' situations.
name one single living western politician that qualifies for just one of those criteria. i'm waiting.
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it's because they are experienced politicians...
name one single living western politician that qualifies for just one of those criteria. i'm waiting.
Lots of politicians are experienced. It's a natural, almost "by definition" side-effect of being re-elected over and over again.
Sadly, for a politician, experience alone isn't very useful if you don't use it to make yourself
cultured, knowledgeable, systematic, serious, cautious, diplomatic and with deeply strategic thinking
and as a result enjoy
[a] highly successful [career] that [has] improved substantially [your] citizens' situations.
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Caught on the next hot mike...
Xi: My approval rating is 100%.
Putin: Mine is 110%.
Trump: Mine is 1500%
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Rutte: 1500!!! daddy, you're the best!!! ... ...
Von der Leyen: was ist appgoval reiting?
Macron: Mais je suis tres jolie
Starmer: ghhhfssghhhhhfffssss
Streisand Effect - Engage! (Score:2)
This would be an excellent opportunity to show the CCP how easy it is for attempts to hide information to have the opposite of the intended effect.
Bonus points to anyone who appends footage from Tienanmen square to the video. For convenience, you know.
Move along folks, nothing to see here... (Score:2)
As a general rule, I hate conspiracy theories. Stories like this one, therefore, make life rather difficult at times.
How do you tell the nuts to take off their foil hats and drop the rants about secret cabals of rich& powerful people trying to live forever by harvesting organs from young&healthy ordinary people, when the world's four nastiest dictators get together and age caught on a hot mike discussing living forever by taking transplanted organs from other people, AND when one of the snakes in th