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Pentagon Can Call DJI a Chinese Military Company, Court Rules (theverge.com) 43

DJI has lost its lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Defense, failing to remove its designation as a Chinese Military Company. US District Court Judge Paul Friedman ruled the Pentagon has broad discretion to make such designations, finding sufficient evidence that DJI qualifies as a "military-civil fusion contributor" based on its recognition by China's National Development and Reform Commission as a National Enterprise Technology Center. The designation provides DJI substantial government benefits including cash subsidies, special financial support and tax benefits.

The judge rejected several of the DoD's other claims for insufficient evidence and noted the department confused two different Chinese industrial zones when attempting to prove DJI's factories were in state-sponsored areas. DJI faces a total import ban on new products this December and US customs has already stopped many consumer drone shipments. The company says it is evaluating legal options.

Pentagon Can Call DJI a Chinese Military Company, Court Rules

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  • Very interesting (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MeNeXT ( 200840 ) on Saturday September 27, 2025 @09:53AM (#65686942)

    So every country can rule that Microsoft also supplies the US military so therefore can be banned due to national security reasons. Intel, Nvidia, Boeing, etc... as well.

    With the hostile attitude that the US has presented to it's allies I would say that the US will find itself isolated in a decade. Everyone is playing nice right now since the economies are so intertwined but they are starting to develop policies that reduce the dependence on US.

    • Reportedly the Iranian scientists and the residents of their apartment complexes were assassinated based on location data from WhatsApp.

      The reach is potentially far.

    • These people don't think that far ahead.

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Decade? You optimist. While we're not yet a pariah state like Israel but supporting their genocide so enthusiastically is tarring us with the same brush. Only 5 years ago 97% of international trade used the US Dollar, so far this year it's 70%. Belt & Road has eaten the IMF/World Bank programs throughout the Third World. Multiple countries in the last few years have requested the Pentagram to remove military bases in their countries (although they normally refuse). The five founding members of BRI

      • by larryjoe ( 135075 ) on Saturday September 27, 2025 @12:54PM (#65687214)

        Only 5 years ago 97% of international trade used the US Dollar, so far this year it's 70%. Belt & Road has eaten the IMF/World Bank programs throughout the Third World.

        This is the one potentially lasting permanent damage that Trump will have caused. US power has been supported worldwide in no small part by the strength and universal acceptance of the US dollar. Trump has already destroyed that hegemony at least partially. It took world wars and fortuitous positioning by the US across a century to build up that hegemony, and almost overnight Trump has severely weakened that power. It wouldn't be surprising if that power never returned, as no president post-Trump will be able to correct that huge mistake.

        • by cusco ( 717999 )

          Actually it was the Obama/Rump/Biden/Rump cavalcade. By locking three of the world's largest petroleum producers (Russia, Iran and Venezuela) out of the SWIFT exchange, and to add injury to insult stealing the funds they had in the exchange, it alerted other countries to the danger of linking their trade to the USD. China and Iran signed a deal to buy petroleum for renmimbi, Russia and India followed suit using whatever currency was convenient, and the flood gates were opened. Now India, the Saudis (neit

          • by Moryath ( 553296 )

            So you're saying you're historically illiterate.

            OPEC (and now "OPEC+") have been trying to take over economic dominance since the 1970s. One of the DUMBEST fucking things that America Hating Senile Bitchtraitor Reagan did was get in bed with OPEC and the Iranians so that they would help him win the 1980 election by holding hostages and keeping their oil embargo going

            The Repukelikan Klan Party have been America-betraying Shitbags ever since Nixon went behind Johnson's back to keep Vietnam going, [milwaukeeindependent.com] so this

            • by cusco ( 717999 )

              I was just referring to the the ongoing abandonment of the Petrodollar as the world reserve currency. I'm quite aware of what you're referring to, the Bushes have been neck deep in the Middle East for generations as well. Bandar bin Sultan, former head of their intel agencies and then the Security Council to the House of Saud, was nicknamed 'Bandar Bush' because he largely grew up with Shrub and Jeb on the Bush family compound.

    • So every country can rule that Microsoft also supplies the US military so therefore can be banned due to national security reasons. Intel, Nvidia, Boeing, etc... as well.

      There's a difference between "supplying" and "basically being owned by".

      (There's also a difference between a western democracy and a communist dictatorship, but that argument is probably hopeless with you.)

      • by MeNeXT ( 200840 )

        The US is not a democracy and is looking more like a dictatorship with every passing day. I'm not sure what argument you are referring to.

    • So every country can rule that Microsoft also supplies the US military so therefore can be banned due to national security reasons. Intel, Nvidia, Boeing, etc... as well.

      Yes, obviously. It's completely unreasonable to apply a nonexistent global law or global morality to countries around the world. Each country can absolutely ban any foreign company indirectly (e.g., tariffs) or directly. This is already reality for the US, China, and many countries around the world for ostensible national security or economic reasons or simply for no reason at all.

      With the hostile attitude that the US has presented to it's allies I would say that the US will find itself isolated in a decade. Everyone is playing nice right now since the economies are so intertwined but they are starting to develop policies that reduce the dependence on US.

      The current US administration is indeed isolating itself by attacking not only historical adversaries but also historical all

      • Maybe if Trump's first term was the end of it. But by reelecting him and more notably every supposed check and balance failing, the US has proven it can't be trusted not to elect another destructive idiot again in another 4 years. Also, they know Trump is a demented old fool, he's not the one coming up with the major steps to tear down this country. This is what the people controlling the GOP want ... all laid out in Project 2025.
        It will take decades to get back to where we were even if we managed to neve
    • So every country can rule that ...

      Sovereign nations can do whatever they choose -subject only to their agreements with other sovereign nations. That is what sovereign means.

    • So every country can rule that Microsoft also supplies the US military so therefore can be banned due to national security reasons.

      Whether they do that is up to them and their laws, not us and ours. And yes, of course they should do that, and they should have their own UNIX implementation, or Linux fork or whatever. Why would you trust someone else to supply you with an OS when you are so large as a national government? It used to be that there were dozens of companies which had "their own" BSD or System V port (which was just a port to their platform, with maybe some platform-specific utilities to set nvram values or what have you) an

  • by _merlin ( 160982 ) on Saturday September 27, 2025 @10:04AM (#65686956) Homepage Journal

    Just wait until other countries use this as a precedent to put sanctions on any company that supplies the US military. There are obvious ones like Boeing, General Dynamics, RTX, Honeywell and so on, but given how pervasive the US military-industrial complex is, it's going to be a long list.

    • As soon as those countries create their replacements for windows, linux, CÃÃ,..... but until then? At least those countries who virtually all supported trump are seeing how important it is to develop equivalents.
      • by _merlin ( 160982 )

        You can get Linux support without involving US companies - it's open source. Isn't that supposedly one of the selling points? No lock-in, no national security risks, audit support it yourself.

        Microsoft is increasingly pivoting away from selling software to cloud services. There are plenty of alternate cloud providers.

        • by cusco ( 717999 )

          China and India both have Linux versions that they're using throughout their governments and their educational systems, and China is apparently exporting computers with their flavor preinstalled to the Third World.

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        You mean the Linux that was made by a Finn and is maintained by people around the world?

        • Now you did it. Pretty soon we're going to have a MAGA friendly distro that is only worked on by Americans with white sounding names. Librul media will be blocked at the kernel level and Fox News gets it's own systemd service to alllow low latency propaganda delivery.

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      China is already doing it, prohibiting sales of Rare Earth Elements, REE magnets, antimony and tungsten (they control the markets for all of those) that will be used to make weapons. Boeing can still buy magnets to build airliners, but as soon as they're caught diverting them to build F-18s or Arrow air defense missiles they'll be completely cut off. There's no other source for these materials, thanks to the greed of our business executives.

      (Before someone says, "Just mine REE here!" keep in mind that the

    • Most nations are either dependent on direct US military support, or purchase their military equipment from the US. Even major military powers in Europe buy more of their gear from US suppliers than they make at home.

      Nobody is going to cut off their nose to spite their face.

  • by JimMcc ( 31079 ) on Saturday September 27, 2025 @12:34PM (#65687192)

    The DJI consumer grade drones have gotten very capable. It makes me wonder if there is a growing concern within the US government that individuals can, or already are, using them to monitor government activities. After all, we can't allow anybody to watch the watchers.

    • DJI aren’t the only players, you can buy very capable drones from other companies and even pay less money for equivalent hardware. It will be interesting to see how long that lasts and what further restrictions will be put on them going forward.
  • by Smonster ( 2884001 ) on Saturday September 27, 2025 @07:59PM (#65687648)
    I’m still running 7 year old firmware that doesn’t throttle or limit where Jane how I can fly. I follow the rules, but like when I’m driving. But I am not interested in limiting my device I paid for any more than I want a governor forced installed on my car.

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