Toxic Workplaces Are Worsening: 80% of U.S. Workers Say Their Job Hurts Mental Health (fastcompany.com) 187
Slashdot reader joshuark shared this report from Fast Company:
According to Monster's newly released 2025 Mental Health in the Workplace survey of 1,100 workers, 80% of respondents described their workplace environment as toxic. The alarming statistic is an increase from 67% just a year ago.
The challenging environment has major implications. An astonishing 71% of workers say their mental health is poor (40%) or fair (31%), while only 29% rank it positively: 20% said it was good and 9% described it as great. Workers say that a toxic workplace culture is the top cause of their poor mental health (59%), followed closely by having a bad manager (54%)...
Mental health is incredibly important to employees. The majority (63%) care more about it than having a "brag-worthy" job. Likewise, many would pass on a promotion (43%) or opt out of a raise (33%) if it was better for their mental health... The vast majority (93%) say their employer isn't focused on supporting employee mental health — a statistic that rose drastically since just a year ago, with 78% claiming the same.
"According to the survey, more than half of workers (57%) say they'd rather quit their job than continue working in an environment they feel is toxic and overall, causing major strains to their mental wellbeing..."
The challenging environment has major implications. An astonishing 71% of workers say their mental health is poor (40%) or fair (31%), while only 29% rank it positively: 20% said it was good and 9% described it as great. Workers say that a toxic workplace culture is the top cause of their poor mental health (59%), followed closely by having a bad manager (54%)...
Mental health is incredibly important to employees. The majority (63%) care more about it than having a "brag-worthy" job. Likewise, many would pass on a promotion (43%) or opt out of a raise (33%) if it was better for their mental health... The vast majority (93%) say their employer isn't focused on supporting employee mental health — a statistic that rose drastically since just a year ago, with 78% claiming the same.
"According to the survey, more than half of workers (57%) say they'd rather quit their job than continue working in an environment they feel is toxic and overall, causing major strains to their mental wellbeing..."
Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:5, Insightful)
A tendency of promoting sociopaths has not been healthy for our society.
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The people who want it more will tend to win on average because they'll try harder, even if they're less talented, qualified, or unsuitable for the position. It might even be beneficial at a societal level. God forbid some other company or country has a better sociopath in charge than we do. We'd be screwed
Re: Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:5, Insightful)
Is this a recent phenomenon?
likely not. incresing awareness and valuing one's mental health is, as is the spectrum of circunstances now considered mental health conditions. people have become more sensible to that and during good times have had more ability to choose and demand. if your problems don't "have a name" and your survival depends on your job and you are unsure you can get another one soon enough, you will just soldier on and put up with whatever comes.
this has been a long term tendency but there are hiccups, and we are in one: unemployment is on the rise, so employers can be more demanding. return to office surely has had some effect. layoffs due to restructuring, ai, etc. then again the datapoint for people saying "their employer isn't focused on supporting employee mental health" going from 73% to 93% in a single year seems way too much, to me it suggests a measurement error, these being polls to begin with. but the medium term trend of decreasing insatisfaction with work and the current spike seem plausible.
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More seriously I think the regular wars we used (?) to have every generation or so were a good way to cull the psychopaths, sadists and violent thugs who would be first ones to enroll, and also the 1st ones to get killed (if they don't have the time to rape their way around to propagate their gene pool).
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I dunno. I mean, has anybody ever tried, like *really* tried identifying all the people with sociopathic traits and wiping them from the face of the Earth? I know there's been plenty of traffic in the other direction.
Yes, it's been tried repeatedly. But keep in mind that the person trying would be, by definition, a sociopath, so they're only trying to wipe all the other sociopaths from the face of the earth.
Obviously, non-sociopaths never try wiping people from the face of the earth. So when the wiping is finished, you'll be left with the most successful of the sociopaths at the top and the non-sociopaths doing the best they can without turning sociopathic.
Personally I'd prefer strong rule of law, a low tolerance for se
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Is this a recent phenomenon? Did sociopaths of the past not seek positions of power or were they somehow kept from the reigns of it?
It's a matter of degrees. Perhaps it's been too subtle of a change for most of us to notice. But despite the old idiom of boiling a frog, we are going to jump out of the pot eventually.
Some of the regulations that we put in place after the era of robber barons did keep things in check. The government also attempted at times to break up large monopolies and resist the consolidation of corporations. Of course it didn't take long to reverse course once those regulatory barriers were lifted.
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The people who want it more will tend to win on average because they'll try harder
This is not true. Winners are more likely to want to win, but that doesn't mean that people who want to win are more likely to win.
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> Is this a recent phenomenon?
Not really, but getting nothing long term in return is. People would toil all their life with the expectation that they would be taken care of in their old age ( pension ). What is there to work for now ?
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Ruling class...huh? Letting them look down? Who exactly is doing that, and what does that even mean?
Re: Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:2)
Well, considering your tax money is used for the loan and not being paid back, it's not like you're involved.... Duh?
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Does it really matter? It's not like if that money is not used for loan forgiveness it is going to stay in your pockets.
Re:Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:5, Interesting)
I also think there are a lot of people who consider everyone they work with to be an asshole without a single bit of reflection. I also think there's been a shift in what younger generations are expecting out of work. I've noticed that some of them expect everyone to be their friend and think there's something wrong if that's not happening. Most people will likely make friends with some of their co-workers, but the expectation that this is required is absurd to me. I'm paid to work with you, not to be buddies. Whatever is causing this should be addressed because sparing a child some discomfort that leads to them being emotionally stunted and miserable in later life isn't doing them any favors.
Re:Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:5, Interesting)
Employers are being more demanding now. The string of layoffs ever since the Fed raised the interest rate to fight inflation (with layoffs being an explicitly stated desired effect as part of the anti-inflation process), combined with the current disinclination to hire new talent, has employees under pressure. They don't want to risk losing their jobs because it will be hard and take a long time to find a replacement.
So, naturally, employers are feeling their power returning to them and using it to exploit, over-demand, abuse, and generally take advantage of their employees.
This is the totally-predictable outcome of human nature. It's in our DNA to abuse power once we get it.
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Is it? Or were many wanting revenge and payback for increasing salaries since 2019 and doing remote work?
The frustrating thing is wages were constant from 2000 to 2019 for most folks. A few professionals they did skyrocket which skewed some data. As a system administrator 75k remained constant for 18 years! Now it is finally like 115k, but adjusted for inflation you are screwed if you tried to buy a home or rent today.
75k could get you a mcmansion in 2000. Today it is not enough for a starter home, even in
Re: Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:2)
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I assume it is the workplaces laying off people leaving more work for those remaining.
Re:Is the workplace itself toxic? (Score:4, Interesting)
What I have noticed happening in recent years is a tendency to replace the company's leadership and management. Removing the people who actually know the business and replacing them with generic idiots or sociopaths, who don't know shit about the company's business but are really good at making the company owners believe that they are “essential to the company”.
And then it becomes difficult to work at these companies because, since these generic “CEOs” don't know jack shit about the company's business, they start giving absurd orders on top of absurd orders to the point where the company ends up going bankrupt or becoming so bad that it would be preferable to go bankrupt. Then your work environment ends up becoming toxic. Because your colleagues (and you) start to get stressed out by meaningless orders and restrictions imposed “because that's what the market wants” (Only the CEO thinks that), imposing increasingly difficult goals because the generic “CEO” completely believes that they are perfectly acceptable (remember that he doesn't know shit about the company's business) and starts cutting the budget where he shouldn't “because that's what the market preaches.” Of course, when the company ends up going under, it's all the fault of “the employees who didn't try hard enough to do their part,” while the “CEO” gets a golden parachute to go after his next victim.
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There's a name for this: Private Equity.
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Unless you are referring to "toxicity" in the sense of asbestos or leaded pipes, it's always going to be an employee.
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The problem is the same as it always have been. The skills needed to acquire power do not align with the skills needed to exercise power
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If the workplace policies and procedures don't prevent certain employees making it toxic for everyone, then it's the workplace, same as how a business which cannot pay a living wage doesn't deserve to exist because it's an unsustainable business model.
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What might be starting to happen is that there are increasing numbers of these "snowflake" employees that are offended by everything, can't take a joke, etc. For them, "normal" people are toxic because OMG! they occasionally make a slightly off-color joke, or something, then go straight to HR. So they think the workplace is toxic because they're forced to be exposed to that. Normal people then have to carefully watch every word that comes out of their mouths, can't have any fun or relax, so they consider th
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My jokes are so funny that HR insist I stop by their office to share the jokes directly!
After RTO mandates, who is surprised? (Score:5, Interesting)
Guess what's very effective at protecting you from a toxic workplace? Remote working. (Not saying it is 100%)
Guess what happened to remote working in the last two years? RTO mandates.
Guess what's worse than living in hell? Going back to hell after spending a few years outside of it, knowing it is not necessary to doing your job.
Who is surprised that, after RTO mandates, more workers say their workplace is toxic?
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Oh please, put your prejudice away (Score:2)
I have three close friends who work in IT. Two work for companies that don't HAVE offices anymore. The third works for a local council. He has no need to be in the office, but the council has imposed a RTO 2 days a week directive on all its employees. The idea is that is that its employees will support the local economy...
Yes, it requires a different approach to managing; you don't just count the number of bums on seats every day, you have to look at whether the work is getting done. And not that the fact t
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It does impact these criteria as it shows bad leadership and management and culture.
If the culture is treating you like an assembly line worker when you are not, then that damages morale and kills loyality.
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Guess what's very effective at protecting you from a toxic workplace? Remote working. (Not saying it is 100%)
That's a great way of telling you didn't read TFA. What they described as toxic is:
- Toxic work culture
- A bad manager
- Lack of growth opportunities
- Increased workload
- Staffing shortages
Precisely none of those are fixed by remote working (and yes you are still subjected to your work culture at home. Heck I'd say remote work has made it more toxic as people are reduced to a number on an ADO board for their work robbing them of meaning).
I take you never worked remote effectively, or you are one of those obtuse toxic managers insisting on everyone being in the office so you can abuse them.
By being remote, one distances oneself from (1) Toxic work culture and, to some extend, (2) bad manager (especially the micromanaging types). And the time taken to commute to work itself contribute to (4) Increased workload, which is opposite side of the same coin as (5) Staffing shortages.
So remote working alleviated 4 out of 5 issues, and you are blind
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Toxic workplaces aren't new. In fact, they're probably as old as work itself.
The rise in toxic workplaces is like the rise in autism - it's always been there, we're just way more aware of it now and things you could get away with 30 years ago is no longer acceptable in any workplace today.
RTO has nothing to do with it, it just amplifies it.
Toxic workplaces are what gave rise to "work to rule" or its more contemporary name, "quiet quitting". As in there's no longer any reason to go above and beyond at the wo
or people are getting softer (Score:3)
So many people think their job is supposed to take care of their non-job needs. That's silly to rely on others for that.
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People getting to used to some jobs being huge adult day cares, they think any sort of productivity is toxicity.
The new generation is getting softer. "This code isn't good" to them is a macro aggression.
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"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."
-- Socrates, supposedly, but probably not.
This is why, in the good old days (Score:2)
we used to drink on the job
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I'm so sad that I was too young to get in on the three-martini lunches! But I guess since I wasn't a businessman, I would've missed out anyway...
We did used to go out for computing group lunches, though, and typically good beer was a part of those.
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as recently as 10 years ago one Friday lunch a month would last until about 5pm and more than once in a while it would turn into supper at another place with a fine selection of liquids.
i don't think that'll be happening again until i retire
Work is a shit sandwich (Score:2)
The more the bread you make the less shit you taste.
The necessity to work is a burden, that is all.
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Ending WFH and doing Return to office (Score:3, Insightful)
Employees who do not want to spend over 2 hours a day and $300 a month in gas just to join Teams meetings in a shared open office when they can do the same at home, so they can be watched by managers who do not believe in remote work or self atanomy and feeling stressed and disgusted by disrepect. SHOCKING!
Musk brought micro management and Style X Management from the 1950s back in style again, and away from Style Y and empowermment. It is all the rage now in leadership. Attendence, attendence, and attendence, and firing if you make a mistake. Forget about trying new innovative things and being creative.
THe pendelumn has swung back to the employers HARD from the employees and it is showing. I wonder if this is revenge syndrome from the C Suite who felt blackmailed to pay people more back when in 2019 they paid the same in 2005 and in office attendance where workers finally got a pay raise and gave the finger to in office work? Now the jobs are paying closer to 2020 levels.
Worsening (Score:2)
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AI delusions (Score:4, Interesting)
"My job hurts my mental health" is meaningless (Score:2)
"My job hurts my mental health" just doesn't mean anything. What are you expecting from work? Work is work, and it's stressful. Stress affects mental health. So does paying bills, raising kids, health problems, relationship problems, getting old. Life is stressful but nobody says "life is increasingly toxic".
I actually have found the opposite when it comes to the working environment. When I started on Wall Street we worked a lot more hours than is expected now. I used to think kids coming out of colleg
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If they think modern work is stressful and affecting their mental health, wonder what they would think of primitive hunting/gathering and trying to just survive in the cold without a latte and a onesie.
Re: "My job hurts my mental health" is meaningless (Score:2)
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Sounds like things are looking up now that the younger generations won't put up with being exploited.
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Examples of energizing and exciting:
- You know you will get a raise if you meet target x and the raise is enough to change your life in some small way
- You know you will get a bonus if you meet target x and the bonus is enough to change your life in some small way
- You know that you will get a promotion that will bring significantly more money if you do a good job.
- You know that you will profit if you do work that help
Cause and effect (Score:2)
Crappy economy -> Shareholders complain about shareholder value -> Board of directors responds -> CEO gets new marching orders to increase profitability -> It travels down the management hierarchy -> Layoffs, increased hours, more pressure to meet deadlines which seem unattainable -> Monetary Policy Loosens -> People quit or suck it up -> Company suddenly realizes they are understaffed -> Company goes on a hiring spree -> Salaries increase -> Monentary policy tightens ->
untreated mental health? (Score:2)
In other news (Score:2)
Gen Z are a bunch of babies whose feelings are hurt if you look at them funny.
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dumb question (Score:2)
"According to the survey, more than half of workers (57%) say they'd rather quit their job than continue working in an environment they feel is toxic ... "
So why don't they quit?
Not being snarky, it's a genuine question. If they're that unhappy, there is absolutely nothing stopping them starting a business themselves and running it with all the principles of kindness and generosity and compassion that (they assert) is missing in the workplace they're in.
And while I know the (coincidentally self-exoneratory
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I've always been the one who provided those benefits to my wife and me
Therein lies the rub. Sure there are some who could be covered by their spouse, but I don't really think it is as common as you think. I'm in Canada, but I am also in the same position. Spouse's coverage is crap and I cover her. In the US I could not just quit my job and then look for another.
RTO makes it a miserable hell (Score:2)
Open office bullshit with 100 desks cramped in one room. need to wear noise cancelling headset all day to be able to focus on work. shitty screens, mouse and keyboard.
At home i have:
- Peace and quiet environment to focus on work.
- 2* 27" screens
- A proper keyboard and mouse
- Better headset for teams meeting
- Don't have to stand up in a "phonebooth" with my laptop to have teams meetings with a 10 year old headset that sounds like a tin can.
- Don't need to listen to music or youtube videos to drown out the ch
100% of the unemployed... (Score:2)
Re:Sure, work sucks (Score:4, Informative)
I enjoy my current job, actually. Quite a lot.
Work doesn't have to suck.
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You are in a minority.
Statistics I read is 75% of people hate their jobs. Be greateful!
I wonder if it has always been like this or were there times when that number was much lower?
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There have been times when I've hated my jobs... including the one I'm in now. Know how that changed, in all cases? Not the work... crappy bosses moved on or got fired, with better bosses replacing them.
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Statistics I read is 75% of people hate their jobs. Be greateful!
That seems a surprisingly large number. When people reply "I hate my job", I wonder what that really means. "I would quit in a heartbeat if I thought I could find something better?" The USA at least has been running at near full employment for decades (modulo the financial and COVID crises). I have to believe most people could find something if they looked for ten years. Job turnover rates are surprisingly high: about 1 in 4 workers changes jobs every year. You'd think people wouldn't hate their jobs right
Re: Sure, work sucks (Score:2)
We are also (I assume) college educated professionals. Not the guys with hs diplomas being fired for being 4 minutes late from their potty break at Walmart where they are treated like kids and can't have their phones out etc. all for 35k a year.
These are American statistics of course. Terrible management who are a different breed rule blue collar jobs. It goes back to slavery and class structure for these roles.
Only 25% are college educated. Terrible work environments motives my education
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Same here, and my coworkers seem pretty happy as well. There are good, interesting jobs out there. Its not clear how much luck vs long term planning is needed to get those jobs. My early career (first 10 years) involved a huge amount of work for very little pay.
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This argument makes no sense. Work can be great, even if you do get paid for it. It's not a charity, after all. We work to live, and if we can get paid for work that's fun, so much the better.
Incidentally, people who are good at something, tend to enjoy doing that something, and vice versa, people who enjoy doing something, tend to enjoy their work. Combine that with competent leadership (rare, I know), and you have a place people want to work.
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That's why it's called work and not fun time. You trade your physical well-being and/or your mental well-being for pay.
I'm not sorry; that's the most retarded thing I've heard today.
Work is called work because it's a job that needs doing. Period. Tasks need being done, the person is paid to get them done. You don't need to trade your mental and physical well being to get it done.
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You trade your physical well-being and/or your mental well-being for pay.
Since when did we enshrine unsustainability?
Since when did we celebrate life's purpose being enhancing shareholder value?
You have nothing to lose but the boot you're deep throating.
Re:Sure, work sucks (Score:5, Insightful)
What? I've got mortgage payments to make and food to eat you know.
I wouldn't pay for the privilege of doing something fun 8 hours a day 5 days per week because I can't afford to do that for very long. A job is not there to make me miserable it's there because someone thinks they get more value from my time than it costs them to buy my time.
If my boss is getting value he's not being scammed. Even if he isn't, he's not being scammed. He's only being scammed if I'm taking his money under false pretences. If you think an employee of yours being happy is a scam then you are a psychopath and also so perversely motivated by spite that it's costing you. If I'm going to be miserable I'm going to demand a hell of a lot for my time than if I'm happy.
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I think non-bullshit jobs (jobs with a purpose) are quite common. We've had such a study published on slashdot, most fulfilling jobs were something like: self-employed, government sector, teachers, social workers (maybe also healthcare, can't recall exactly).
I had one colleague at work who was working as a secretary (not very well paid, and not very interesting in my point of view), although her husband is known to be a rich man so they don't need to work at all; my colleague only left when the boss was rep
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Really no, jobs are not "there to make you miserable." That isn't the goal. Jobs exist because someone wants or needs that work done, and is willing to pay for it.
Employers don't spend gobs of money on the entertaining practice of making others miserable. They are far too stingy for that. They spend the money because they expect that they will make even more money off the work you do.
The "misery" aspect is just a side-effect of the fact that humans experience disutility of labor, and employers will only
Re: Sure, work sucks (Score:2)
Database analyst. Hard and dull. System and network administration. Complex and boring. Not glory work.
So, imo, most people would consider those as horrible jobs, but, if you can deliver the goods, you bring substantial value to your employer and you can find yours
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That used to always be the case, now increasingly its that lump sums of money are distributed about and people have to put it to use, or lose it. Allocate a grant, jobs created, then some work has to be done to justify the grant/loan. Govt created jobs in a nutshell.
Graeber said, "a form of paid employment that is so completely pointless, unnecessary, or pernicious that even the employee cannot justify its existence e
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but isn't that nearly every govt job?
No.
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Graeber said, "a form of paid employment that is so completely pointless, unnecessary, or pernicious that even the employee cannot justify its existence even though, as part of the conditions of employment, the employee feels obliged to pretend that this is not the case," when talking about "bs" jobs, but isn't that nearly every govt job?
No, only the ones involving determining eligibility for social services that should be replaced by UBI.
Re:Toxicity (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, I'm just guessing, since, as far as I can tell, the summary doesn't tell us what constitutes a "toxic workplace".
The article, however, does tell us exactly what people reported as toxic. From TFA:
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The second result is nothing new. Most managers are crap. The Peter Principle predicts this. Lack of growth oppo
Re:Toxicity (Score:5, Informative)
Nah,
It is in general about relationships and it is not jobs alone, it is a societal level problem. There are fewer jobs that people find meaningful. Work is entirely transactional, money for your time, so people spend 40 hours a week being miserable so that they can afford some crap that they want to show off on social media.
I have had multiple young people push back on me on the idea of having friends at work, saying that they were worried it would be "unprofessional". That's a wierd way to look at things as far as I am concerned; Spending 40 years of your life, 40 hours a week around people that you don't want to form personal connections with.
My father worked in a lower paying blue collar job in a different era. Didn't change jobs every 2 years to climb the ladder, he worked at the same place with the same friends for his entire career. They would get together and have poker nights, sit around and goof off on lunch break, play pranks on each other. The world was much less professional, but nobody ever talked about toxicity unless it had to do with drinking water.
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I've heard these complaints since around 1993.
IBM welcomed Fat Lou Gerstner. His money quote at the time: "the last thing IBM needs right now is a vision". He focused them on actually delivering.
I knew a few IBMers at the time, and met more later as they jumped ship. To a man, they had all the same complaints as listed above.
I knew a lot more IBM customers - and I was one. We mostly welcomed a CEO that believed in actual product, delivery, and quality. Cue the NPCs who will point out that FLG cared not one
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Re: Toxicity (Score:2)
Fat Lou Gerstner for IBM into the position of:
Mainframe rep explaining reliability, availability, responsiveness.
Mid-range rep explaining performance, cost benefit, expandability.
RISC rep explaining flexibility, performance, cost benefit.
And they all poo-poo'd the services rep, who explained next-generation, flexibility, low cost...
With IBM out-competing itself, not a lot of room for big competitors.
Was it Fat Lou who warned 'if you don't make it, deliver it, or touch a customer, you need to look for a job
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how about an illegal, racist one? (Score:2, Troll)
OK, but what's a "toxic work culture?" :)
Two things in tech...leadership is usually short sighted and looking to get through the next quarter, not building a strong team or decent place to work or even just putting out sustainable, quality work. Additionally, there's the ugly topic of diversity. In tech, it's incredibly diverse and get can very racist...because some people from shitty parts of other countries don't prioritize treating people with other people of other races as equals to the extent the average American, Canadian, Latin American,
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Don't ask. It gets you labeled as -1 Troll.
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A toxic work environment is the environment you will find in a toxic workplace
Black Jack/Syndicate (Score:2)
Of course, I'm just guessing, since, as far as I can tell, the summary doesn't tell us what constitutes a "toxic workplace".
The article, however, does tell us exactly what people reported as toxic. From TFA:
Corporate America really reminds me of the Syndicate from Jack Cambell's Lost Fleet/Lost Stars novels. A corporate state where skulduggery rules amongst the executive classes and fear is used to rule the worker classes. Probably where the author got the idea for it.
Mark my words, unless your country decides to stand up for itself against corporate greed, you'll have to call them "honoured CEO" before too long.
OTOH, work really doesn't have to suck, it just tends to most of the time.
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It's such a 'big' problem these days because everybody 'is a delicate snowflake' and figure in that companies hire less people while expecting one person to do three people's worth of work.
It's only going to get worse before it gets better, or the company replaces workers with robots and AI.
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More and more people are detached from reality with fewer professionals who can do things.
Luckily the AI only helps the professionals and it is useless to those detached from reality.
As for doing everything and getting burned out ... take care of yourself, because no one else will.
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I can tell you. I am well over 40 and grew up on a farm. I have had the displeasure of working around individuals that were given authority and just made everyone around them miserable. I have had times when it pushed me to my limits. I have had coworkers commit suicide. I have watched individuals have their careers and reputations trampled.
I am convinced that there are more D-Bags in authority positions then anytime in history. I am not talking about the hard-working person that gets ahead and just has a r
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And they still don't know "payed" is incorrect spelling.
Re: Curious about how the data was collected (Score:2)