'Save Our Signs' Preservation Project Launches Archive of 10,000 National Park Signs (404media.co) 43
An anonymous reader quotes a report from 404 Media: On Monday, a publicly-sourced archive of more than 10,000 national park signs and monument placards went public as part of a massive volunteer project to save historical and educational placards from around the country that risk removal by the Trump administration. Visitors to national parks and other public monuments at more than 300 sites across the U.S. took photos of signs and submitted them to the archive to be saved in case they're ever removed in the wake of the Trump administration's rewriting of park history. The full archive is available here, with submissions from July to the end of September. The signs people have captured include historical photos from Alcatraz, stories from the African American Civil War Memorial, photos and accounts from the Brown v. Board of Education National History Park, and hundreds more sites. "I'm so excited to share this collaborative photo collection with the public. As librarians, our goal is to preserve the knowledge and stories told in these signs. We want to put the signs back in the people's hands," Jenny McBurney, Government Publications Librarian at the University of Minnesota and one of the co-founders of the Save Our Signs project, said in a press release. "We are so grateful for all the people who have contributed their time and energy to this project. The outpouring of support has been so heartening. We hope the launch of this archive is a way for people to see all their work come together."
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Yeah it sucks that they renamed that mountain to cover up the fact that it was named after a guy who massacred a bunch of innocent native Americans. OH WAIT
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The US has many places named after Napoleon. Or Columbus. That is history. Do you want to cover up every name associated with every bad thing that ever happened? OK, I respect your opinion, but I disagree.
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The US has many places named after Napoleon. Or Columbus. That is history. Do you want to cover up every name associated with every bad thing that ever happened? OK, I respect your opinion, but I disagree.
First up, a city/town name change is non-trivial while a mountain or stream isn't.
Second, there's a difference between taking down a statue of a person and renaming a place.
Third, previous administrations have primarily focused on removing tribute to evil-doers. The current one is pretending evil never happened.
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Not to mention we have hundreds of cities, counties, streets etc named after indian tribes who genocided their neighbors.
I'd expect every human in history has a dark side we'd rather not celebrate. If the goal is to name places only after perfect people then we can't name anything after a person. Well, maybe there's been one perfect person in history that lived on Earth about 2000 years ago, but there's been dispute on that.
Fort Bragg (Score:1)
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Naming things after people is never so much a celebration as it is about notability.
So you're saying every town should have an Adolf Hitler street?
Re:Mount Doane (Score:4, Insightful)
Naming things after people is never so much a celebration as it is about notability.
If it were just about historical notability, then little towns would have a streets named after Lenin, Mao, Genghis Kahn, Hitler, Tang Taizong, Galileo, Gandhi, Sitting Bull, etc. with the same frequency that they have "Washington St."
It's about honoring historical figures that our culture reveres. Maybe every once in a while we should be re-evaluating who is worthy of such reverence.
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Whoa! I'm not the person why are angry at. I loathe Trump.
"Yes, and also... " is not whataboutism. I'm not making some stupid equivalence by saying Biden had fault also. It was far the lessor offense. But let's not be blind.
Re:Mount Doane (Score:4, Insightful)
Report: Trump is driving at 70mph through an active school zone.
You: Yes, and also there was this one time when somebody else drove 70mph.
Even when it's a car analogy, it still looks like whataboutism.
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I like to add people to my foes list this way they can't drive by with a bullshit comment and disappear back into the crowd. I've been thinking about how creimer used to insist that slashdot wasn't his "permanent record".
A greasemonkey script that let you save a users most retarded posts would be really useful.
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"Whataboutism" is never going to go away, since it has a foundation of fairness and unmet expectations. Even Chimp's feel this. That's why it is always better to argue from the perspective of the other person: you might be able to find a way around the fairness concept through their own expectations of behavior.
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You are correct that each side tries to push their own narrative, and unfortunately the people on both sides seem to be blind to it from their own side. We should have that conversation, but at the same time we need to point out that what the Trump administration is doing is just blatantly partisan, and you seem to be blind to what they're doing. These signs need to be written by real professional historians, and ideally overseen by enough variety of historians that they contain a reasonable viewpoint bas
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TPUSA published a watchlist of people they didn't like, and those people were repeatedly subjected to harassment and death threats.
That's not something to be "respected".
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Why do signs in a bird sanctuary discuss slavery? Japanese interment camps?
The same folks that pulled statues of founding fathers because "slavery" are now arguing we need to discuss slavery when talking about birds? Really?
A good thing (Score:4, Insightful)
When you're claiming there is too much emphasis on how bad slavery was [nbcnews.com] in national exhibits, then go out of your way to hide what took place by saying it was "anti-American ideology" to show how badly people were mistreated, you might be a racist.
When you tell people if they see any information which they believe casts a negative view [npr.org] of any person past or present and to report it to authorities, you might be a fascist.
Since it is clear this regime is intent on rewriting and whitewashing historical facts, it is incumbent upon the people to preserve history in all its facets, good or bad.
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Exactly. The USA fought kicking and screaming to keep their slaves. But, it was also smack dab in the middle of a spate of abolition by colonial powers around the same time. The only thing notable is that you guys killed each other over it. (Not that others didn't but it was usually the enslaved doing the killing)
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Was it whitewashing to pull statues and rename schools?
Why do we need to discuss slavery on signs in a bird sanctuary? Thats not denying slavery happened, its's taking the topic out of a conversation it doesn't belong.
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I went to Mammoth Cave in the early months of this administration. Prior to going, I had no idea about how that cave system was first explored. As it turns out, in the 1840's, there was an enslaved guide named Stephen Bishop who did a lot (if not the lion's share) of the early exploration. He wasn't a freed man until 1856, a year before he died.
I don't think anyone's saying that there's a necessity to discuss how slavery was a component where it wasn't, but the fact remains that slavery DID play a part in a
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Why would we want to honor traitors who wanted to keep slavery and who lost the battle?
Is there a photo collection of these signs? (Score:2)
For nothing more than today I like signs too. Sounds like a mission
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I answered my own question. rtfm
http://saveoursigns.org/ [saveoursigns.org] , though it could be more accesible.
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The order gave a deadline of September 17, and by September 20, some signs were already going missing, including signs at Acadia National Park in Maine that referenced climate change, and another at Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge in New York City that referenced historical events like slavery, Japanese camps and conflicts with Native Americans, according to the Washington Post.
I get why a sign in a park might reference climate change, but why do signs in a bird sanctuary refer to "slavery, Japanese [interment?] Camps, and conflicts with Native Americans"?
I never understood the post-George Floyd race to hide statutes and rename forts, bridges, schools, mountains, etc, but I have to say, removing references to "conflicts with Native Americans" in a bird sanctuary sounds sorta reasonable to me...
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You've made this comment several times in this thread. Can you give me a link to the sign that was removed? I didn't see it in the linked article. Perhaps, to answer your question, some context might help? Unless you're not at all interested in an answer to your question...
Also, if you think all this started with George Floyd, you've been asleep for the last 30+ years.