Wikipedia Volunteers Avert Tragedy by Taking Down Gunman at Conference (nbcnews.com) 79
A potential tragedy was narrowly averted at a Wikipedia conference in Manhattan when two volunteer editors tackled an armed man who stormed the stage and threatened to kill himself during a keynote speech (source paywalled; alternative source). The gunman, who claimed he was protesting Wikipedia's policy banning self-identified pedophiles, was disarmed and taken into custody after community members swiftly intervened. The New York Times reports: The armed man came striding up the aisle at a conference for Wikipedia editors Friday morning in Manhattan, several witnesses said. The man, draped in a multicolored flag, walked onto the stage and stood next to Maryana Iskander, the chief of the nonprofit group that runs Wikipedia, interrupting her speech. He announced that he was going to kill himself. He held a gun near his head and pointed it toward the ceiling. The audience of well over a hundred people panicked.
"People started yelling, 'Get down, get down!' and people started ducking behind their chairs," said Bill Adair, a journalism professor who was there and is writing a book on Wikipedia. A man in an orange sweatshirt rushed the stage. He was not in law enforcement, but a Wikipedia contributor on the conference's "trust and safety team": Richard Knipel, the City University of New York's "Wikimedian-in-residence." He grabbed the gunman from behind. Another Wikipedian on the trust and safety team, Andrew Lih, had been standing watch in the aisle and charged forward, too.
"I saw the gun he's holding go from pointing up at the ceiling to sweeping down toward the room, and as it swept across me I said 'Oh, my god,' and I ducked down, but I still kept moving" said Mr. Lih, a digital strategist who works with museums and libraries. "I grabbed his arm," he continued. "He was still clutching his gun pretty hard. I pried his fingers away from it, removed it from his hands and put it down." The gun was loaded, according to a senior law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a pending investigation. In seconds, a potential scene of bloodshed had been averted, a life may have been saved, and two volunteer editors of an online encyclopedia had become unlikely heroes.
"People started yelling, 'Get down, get down!' and people started ducking behind their chairs," said Bill Adair, a journalism professor who was there and is writing a book on Wikipedia. A man in an orange sweatshirt rushed the stage. He was not in law enforcement, but a Wikipedia contributor on the conference's "trust and safety team": Richard Knipel, the City University of New York's "Wikimedian-in-residence." He grabbed the gunman from behind. Another Wikipedian on the trust and safety team, Andrew Lih, had been standing watch in the aisle and charged forward, too.
"I saw the gun he's holding go from pointing up at the ceiling to sweeping down toward the room, and as it swept across me I said 'Oh, my god,' and I ducked down, but I still kept moving" said Mr. Lih, a digital strategist who works with museums and libraries. "I grabbed his arm," he continued. "He was still clutching his gun pretty hard. I pried his fingers away from it, removed it from his hands and put it down." The gun was loaded, according to a senior law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a pending investigation. In seconds, a potential scene of bloodshed had been averted, a life may have been saved, and two volunteer editors of an online encyclopedia had become unlikely heroes.
Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is A (Score:5, Funny)
Is a good guy with a good tackle.
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Wait, you're messing it all up the saying for the people who want a gun in every pocket!
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If I were carrying, I would evaluate the situation:
0) are there nonlethal options?
1) is anyone else responding?
2) is lethal force a danger to bystanders?
Which is why I don't carry for now.
Re:Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is A (Score:4, Insightful)
Nah, for a lot of gun owners that's too BORING. They prefer
1) Do I have the gun with me?
2) Is it loaded?
3) (optional) Am I nicely lubricated with alcohol?
If the answer to at least the first two questions is "yes", then start shooting randomly in all directions.
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"So anyway, I started blasting" -- Frank Reynolds
Re: Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is (Score:1)
Giving credit where credit is due (Score:2)
The news headlines should point out that two men risked their lives to save others.
Re: Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is (Score:2)
Having been shadow-banned on reddit's Basic Income sub, can I say I totally empathize with the suicidal guy because bans are basically telling you to kill yourself?
Re: Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is (Score:1)
Re: Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun I (Score:2)
What if online trolling is my favorite thing to do other than sleep outside, but both have been taken from me by authoritarians? Why can't you legalize suicide so I don't have to become a criminal like my brother getting his horse tranquilizer on the dark web?
Cut the guys some slack (Score:1, Funny)
People should learn to read (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean not at Republican town halls or Donald Trump speeches. You absolutely cannot take a gun there even though we all know guns make everything safer. Curious.
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It's only effective when the gunman is only interested in offing himself publicly. It doesn't work when a prospective shooter is determined to harm others.
Re:People should learn to read (Score:4, Informative)
there are plenty of very safe countries where police don't carry guns
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The real issue here is that this guy would likely never have been able to get a gun to begin with in most other countries. Unarmed cops do fine when you don't let just any asshole buy a gun and we know this by looking at other countries.
Re:People should learn to read (Score:5, Insightful)
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So uh, maybe the guy upset at Wikipedia's anti-pedo policy has nothing to do with the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Re: Cut the guys some slack (Score:2, Troll)
Not sure how much sympathy he'd have for POTUS, considering even some of the photos we've seen of him and Ivanka.
Multicolored flag (Score:1)
Re: Multicolored flag (Score:3)
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Re: Multicolored flag (Score:2)
Bad scene, could've been a whole lot worse (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a sad day when things like this happen.
I'm glad they prevented him from killing himself.
I'm even more glad he didn't intend to murder anyone.
Hopefully, after some psychiatric care, he will send the people who tackled him a thank-you letter and send the people running the conference an apology for what he put them through.
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Here is a running tally of republican sexual predators and kiddie diddlers. https://www.dailykos.com/stori... [dailykos.com]
If someone has compiled a list of democrats I'll gladly post it too.
But this one really isn't much of a surprise. Trump's former "spiritual advisor" https://www.texastribune.org/2... [texastribune.org]
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Depending on the state, felons generally can't vote and may find it very difficult to regain their rights so long as they remain registered sex offenders.
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Another Republicunt projecting, and telling lies, how typical.
Intersex Re:So... (Score:1)
>but today the left/democrats are absolutely fucking bonkers.
>What's a woman? Really? jfc
I see your point, but please tell me you know about people who are biologically intersex, neither wholly male nor wholly female. Conservative estimates suggest about 1 in 5000 people are interesex.
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This is desperation bro. Those 'facts' about that situation were all made up by folks like you to justify an idiot child who is now pimping himself to rallies to make a living. You have this navel gazing competition and then spend all your time trying to justify the things you've made up to cover your bullshit butthurt snowflake beliefs. You're constantly trying to point elsewhere because you're scared of what people will do if they look at you too closely, and it's getting increasingly obvious.
You really w
Re:So... (Score:4, Informative)
The left is rife with the scum of the earth. You can barely shake a stick without hitting a sexual predator or pedophile.
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
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"... Wikipedia's policy banning self-identified pedophiles"? LMAO WHAT
Wikipedia:Child protection policy [wikipedia.org]: "Editors ... who who identify themselves as pedophiles, will be blocked and banned indefinitely."
he... (Score:1, Insightful)
Where's the tragedy, here ? If he want to blow his brain up, let him do...
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The catch is, as the article relates, he was lowering his gun from pointing at the ceiling. Whether he was going to shoot himself or at the crowd first is the issue. Had he come up on stage, put the gun to his head, and made his announcement, that is one thing. But the moment he appeared to be pointing toward others is when the situation changed to warrant a takedown.
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the moment he appeared to be pointing toward others is when the situation changed to warrant a takedown.
Fuck that. Nobody has the right to make anyone else witness their suicide.
In Canada... (Score:1, Informative)
Wikipedia editors take the rules seriously. (Score:3)
at a Wikipedia conference ... two volunteer editors tackled an armed man who stormed the stage and threatened to kill himself
You're not allow to edit your own page [wikipedia.org].
On Wikipedia, you're not allowed to edit articles about yourself ...
(Happy everyone is okay and hope he gets some help.)
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LOL wat
How did this get modded informative?
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How did this get modded informative?
Welcome to Slashdot, where the stories are duplicated and moderation doesn't matter.
The gunman, who claimed he was protesting... (Score:2)
SHOULD HAVE LET THE PEDO KILL HIMSELF (Score:1)
judicial reform to have the state execute all of them is long overdue.
Re: SHOULD HAVE LET THE PEDO KILL HIMSELF (Score:2)
Executing people up for their impulses (instead of, you know, actual crimes) is not "justice".
While we wait for the backstory to come out... (Score:5, Informative)
Let us further note that in both incidents civilians showed vastly more courage than the entire Uvalde, Texas police department, which stood by cowering in fear while children and teachers were slaughtered.
Confirms what I've long suspected (Score:3)
Wikipedia's policy banning self-identified pedophi (Score:2)
not an expert here, but that sounds like a pretty good policy
Unfortunate (Score:4, Insightful)
We don't know his background and what compelled him to act.
I feel compassion for this unknown (to me) person. We don't know what triggered him, but we do reasonably know that pedophilia is prevalent in this world, spanning governments, privileged people, and miscreants. I hope this man gets psychiatric help; finds a better way to get his message across, to effect change -- that his living voice can make a positive difference. Ugh, sometimes I really think this world sucks :(