Global Use of Coal Hit Record High in 2024 (theguardian.com) 180
Coal use hit a record high around the world last year despite efforts to switch to clean energy, imperilling the world's attempts to rein in global heating. From a report: The share of coal in electricity generation dropped as renewable energy surged ahead. But the general increase in power demand meant that more coal was used overall, according to the annual State of Climate Action report, published on Wednesday. The report painted a grim picture of the world's chances of avoiding increasingly severe impacts from the climate crisis. Countries are falling behind the targets they have set for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, which have continued to rise, albeit at a lower rate than before.
Clea Schumer, a research associate at the World Resources Institute thinktank, which led the report, said: "There's no doubt that we are largely doing the right things. We are just not moving fast enough. One of the most concerning findings from our assessment is that for the fifth report in our series in a row, efforts to phase out coal are well off track."
Clea Schumer, a research associate at the World Resources Institute thinktank, which led the report, said: "There's no doubt that we are largely doing the right things. We are just not moving fast enough. One of the most concerning findings from our assessment is that for the fifth report in our series in a row, efforts to phase out coal are well off track."
bUt NuClEaR bAd (Score:5, Insightful)
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Ok bot.
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Problem is though, if you look at all the major economies, the ones with the lowest CO2 per capita have nuclear in the mix.
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Problem is though, if you look at all the major economies, the ones with the lowest CO2 per capita have nuclear in the mix.
Having nuclear in the mix is one thing, and "therefore we need to build more nuclear power" is something else. When we started building nuclear plants they arguably made sense, now building more definitely doesn't as we have cleaner alternatives.
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What if building new safer nuclear allows us to decommission the older, more dangerous nuclear that is 'in the mix' earlier?
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What if building new safer nuclear allows us to decommission the older, more dangerous nuclear that is 'in the mix' earlier?
Great. Do that, on the same site only.
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Look at China, the world's second largest economy, with per capita emissions way below the US and Europe.
The reason their emissions have peaked is not nuclear, it's renewables displacing coal.
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Wasting money on nuclear (Score:2)
That's before we talk about the obvious technical shortcomings of nuclear power that are complete disasters waiting to happen thanks to social problems we refuse to acknowledge and address. Specifically the wanton obsessive privatization of high-risk industries like nuclear power and the unquenchable thirst for profit and short-term quarter on quarter gains.
Add in the fact that we never punish the ruling elite
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Germany's "failure" has nothing to do with renewables and everything to do with tying their non-renewable natural gas needs to Russian supplies. THAT'S what is making their electricity prices so high over there. Renewables are how they achieve energy independence and security from their hostile neighbor.
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Another power source based on foreign supplies. Maybe after their experience with Russian oil they want actual energy independence.
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Yes, you antinuclear scumbags are at fault for this. Just compare nuclear France at 19 g CO2 per kWh vs coal loving Germany at 283 g CO2 per kWh.
You aren't entirely wrong but you seem to be ignoring the progress that is being made: https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... [wikimedia.org]
However, you can see France has had a bit of a head start in the energy transition because it hasn't used fossil fuels for energy generation for the last 30+ years: https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... [wikimedia.org]
You also seem to be ignoring that some countries are actively expanding their use of coal:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
* https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... [wikimedia.org]
* https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... [wikimedia.org]
I suppose the lesson to be learned here is that the low tech simplicity of coal makes it very appealing for developing countries.
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Coal is cheap and can often be mined domestically. The plants are simple and cheap, and can be built by domestic firms using domestic technology.
The only real way to beat it is cheaper renewables, but it would really help if we shared some tech so developing nations could manufacture some of it locally.
Re:bUt FrAcKiNg bAd (Score:4, Interesting)
Yes, you antinuclear scumbags are at fault for this. Just compare nuclear France at 19 g CO2 per kWh vs coal loving Germany at 283 g CO2 per kWh.
You anti-fracking scumbags are at fault for this too. Natural gas emits half the CO2 per Joule as coal, and is cheaper to boot. If only we could frack for natural gas everywhere, we'd cut CO2 emissions right now.
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I'm absolutely fine with fracking as long as the company doing it is bound by contract to repair the geology if their work causes an unexpected impact on the water table. Still cheaper with the insurance to allow that kind of remediation included? It's not a fair comparison if you allow one side to externalise costs.
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If you look at which countries are using more coal, it's the ones where nuclear isn't a viable option. It's too expensive, it would take too long to build, and there are geo-political problems.
These are developing nations, and telling them "just put growth on hold for 20 years while you develop a nuclear industry and build the first plan" isn't going to work.
Many of them do have excellent renewable resources, but need help and encouragement to exploit them. Once those are in place the floodgates open like t
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The Japanese would like everyone to thank them for taking the role of being the pinnacle test ground for nuclear technology on civilians.
Indeed Fukushima and climate change are equally serious problems. I can see how it is hard to choose between them.
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The problem with nuclear is that when there is a problem you lose all of your property except what you can carry with you because you have to evacuate your city immediately for 10 years.
America does not treat our homeless well. So I certainly do not want to join their ranks.
And it's basically guaranteed. Because Americans like the privatize everything and we like to meet our quarterly revenue targets.
So every nuclear power plant is one round of privatization and one bad quarter away from skipping necessary maintenance. Which is exactly what happened in fukushima.
The owners of Tokyo electric power were repeatedly told by engineers that they had to build a larger wall to protect against tsunamis that were due and that they needed to have off-site generators that could be brought in in case those walls weren't enough.
When all is said and done the public blamed the engineers and not the suits that ignored them. And the suits cried a little on TV and got off scot-free.
The problems with nuclear are social and not technical but my experience with techie nerds is that we don't like to acknowledge let alone fix social problems.
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The problem with nuclear is that when there is a problem you lose all of your property except what you can carry with you because you have to evacuate your city immediately for 10 years.
Valid point, whereas you could live right next door to the coal plant for your entire life with no such worries. Totally better.
Thought terminating cliche (Score:2)
Every single time I bring up the social problems that make nuclear power unsafe somebody like you comes along and mentions coal plants because that's how you avoid thinking about those social problems.
It's called a thought terminating cliche. Once you know the phrase and what it is it's hard to pretend it isn't a thing anymore.
Will you stop using them? Probably
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Will you address the social problems surrounding nuclear power? Definitely not.
I'm Canadian. We have no social issues around nuclear power.
And if doing it wrong is a problem wherever you are, doing it right is a better solution than not doing it at all.
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I'm Canadian. We have no social issues around nuclear power.
Speak for yourself.
I will no longer have a problem with nuclear energy (in fact, I will welcome it with open arms and a very loud sigh of relief) when the only new nuclear power plants built are of a technology that, by its very nature, cannot, even in case of catastrophic failure, make thousands of square miles uninhabitable for centuries.
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You are one more term of trump away from becoming a vassal state of america. I'm not saying that to get a rise out of you I'm saying that because that's what's about to happen.
My country is about to destroy what we call the voting rights act. When that happens the Republican party is likely to get a super majority in our lower legislative chamber. What we call the House of Representatives.
The supreme Court is alrea
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You are one more term of trump away from becoming a vassal state of america. I'm not saying that to get a rise out of you I'm saying that because that's what's about to happen.
Oh well, I've had a good life, can't really complain. I guess I will learn to build IEDs.
Basically nothing bad has ever happened in their lives so they can't imagine anything bad happening...
Sounds like the people here trying to ban guns. If we civilians ever have to take up arms to defend this country we'll be leaving them out.
As for America I hope you at least have a civil war before you slide into dictatorship. Would be pretty pathetic to go out with not so much as a whimper.
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Really? I thought you were swearing up and down that you'd rise up with your guns to save us from tyranny.
I notice you NOT doing that, right now.
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Really? I thought you were swearing up and down that you'd rise up with your guns to save us from tyranny.
I notice you NOT doing that, right now.
I'm Canadian. If Trump tries to make us the 51st state damn right we will fight, despite our own government's attempts to make us defenceless.
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Of course, your entire life will be considerably shorter, but who really would miss that last decade or so anyway? They're not generally very good years, what with the body breaking down and all your friends dying all the time...
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So every nuclear power plant is one round of privatization and one bad quarter away from skipping necessary maintenance. Which is exactly what happened in fukushima.
Not the weather? Wasn't the issue at Fukushima that they built the reactor on the shoreline and an earthquake and tsunami surge flooded the facility?
But no, you think it was a failure to perform regular maintenance? Really?
https://world-nuclear.org/info... [world-nuclear.org]
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You live in a fantasy world. You've watched every Kyle Hill youtube video and now you think you're a nuclear expert.
Sign a contract, legally binding in your jurisdiction, where you promess that you will donate, for free, your current property to a family forcibly evacuated from the exclusion zone when the next nuclear incident occurs. Put your money where your mouth is. Then we'll talk.
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Fukushima hasn't directly killed a single person; there were some deaths due to evacuation panic and cleanup efforts. Meanwhile, climate change risks billions of deaths, will probably render northern Europe uninhabitable (on the level of Alaska or frozen-brass-monkey-balls parts of Canada), etc, and short-term air pollution from power generation alone kills a Hitler's worth of people every 3 years.
So for those who don't parse your comment as irony, there's some astounding level of believing their feels rat
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So for those who don't parse your comment as irony, there's some astounding level of believing their feels rather than statistics.
Humans are really bad at assessing relative risk. You would think the ostensibly technical audience here on /. would be somewhat better but it seems not, so fee fees it is. I was concerned after I hit post that I forgot the sarcasm tag. I fully expected to wake up to a post from someone who didn't get it.
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The Japanese would like everyone to thank them for taking the role of being the pinnacle test ground for [testing] nuclear technology on civilians.
For those not understanding this fact, this comment is meant to be satire. Obviously, nuclear isn't always so safe. 2 atomic bombs and a nuclear power plant.
I hear nuclear takes too long. (Score:2)
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Life really is like a video game, your things that have OP features have strong negative modifiers.
Coal is pretty widely distributed, there's so much of it we won't be running out anytime soon and compared to gas and oil extraction today mining coal is relatively cheap. I mean our favorite mega machine the Bagger 288 is just there to strip mine out stupid amounts of coal and then once you have it it's pretty easy to turn into energy. Quick, simple, reliable.
The downside is using it is a catastrophe for any
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Jevon's paradox is still alive! (Score:5, Informative)
Why is this never going out of fashion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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This would be the case if burning coal was somehow becoming more efficient.
For instance, a ton of coal produced more kWh than it did last year.
That's not the case here.
Wind, Solar and Batteries are cheaper and cleaner (Score:5, Informative)
I see the nuclear fanbois are out in force.
Nuclear is the most expensive energy. Takes the longest time to build. And is most problematic with issues of nuclear waste and accidents.
Can we get real and just accept that solar, wind and batteries are the cheapest and cleanest energy.
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You know, as opposed to throwing billions of tons of pollution up into the air, along with so much mercury that everyone in the world now has a lifetime allowance for seafish, not to mention all the radioactivity from the uranium in the coal, or the fly ash piles that would set off the alarms at most nuclear plants and destroy entire ecosystems when they get rained
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How is nuclear waste being dealt with upfront? What is the solution? "They" usually say it will be taken care of "somewhere else", but it always ends up sitting next to the plant.
https://group.vattenfall.com/p... [vattenfall.com]
https://www.world-nuclear-news... [world-nuclear-news.org]
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Do they really fully account for the waste though? Promises were made but not kept. Look at the UK, the taxpayer and the bill payer are on the hook for it most of the time.
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What the world would really like is something that performs like nuclear fission (lots of 24/7 reliable baseload power, deployable anywhere) but without the big upfront expense or the catastrophic risks (pollution, storage, proliferation) to manage.
Is there such a thing? Could there be? Nuclear fusion might be one answer, and they've made good progress, but it's still a bit iffy and even in the best-case scenario it won't be applied at scale for some years yet. Geothermal is seeing some interesting devel [energyglobal.com]
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Baseload is a myth. Energy demand varies greatly each day and nuclear only goes at one speed.
Batteries wind and solar can easily follow demand.
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Batteries.
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Can we get real and just accept that solar, wind and batteries are the cheapest and cleanest energy.
So why are countries building the more expensive coal power plants? I mean since solar, wind and batteries are the cheapest option, why countries like Chine are building the more expensive option? I don't think the leaders are unable to count money.
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Can we get real and just accept that solar, wind and batteries are the cheapest and cleanest energy.
Sure; however, you should also acknowledge that nuclear is the most energy dense form of generating electricity and is more reliable than any of the other methods you have mentioned.... but you won't.
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Energy density is irrelevant.
Nuclear is reliable until it isn't. It gets shut down completely for maintenance, floods, drought, accidents, etc.
Wind, solar and batteries are more reliable because they are distributed. If a solar panel, windmill, or battery is damaged, it doesn't stop the rest from operating.
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No one in the industry believes that, and if they do we are in big trouble.
The problem with distribution on the level of wind or solar is that maintenance will become a problem. Right now installations are relatively new.
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Did it have growing pains, sure and some were doozys. But modern designs and proper location selection alleviates all of the past issues except for what to do with spent fuel. Wait until all those windmills and solar panels reach their end of useful life. No one will want to recycle them and they will just become landfill.
Energy generation should not be a for-profit endeavor, sadly that is w
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Germany's renewable energy sources are primarily wind and solar, which together accounted for about 43% of its electricity generation in 2024. The country aims to have 80% of its electricity from renewables by 2030 and reach net-zero emissions by 2045. Biomass and hydropower are also significant, and Germany has made substantial progress, with renewables providing 59% of electricity in 2024.
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The solution is to build more wind and solar, not wait 10 or 15 years for a nuclear plant.
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Something seems to be missing from the article (Score:2, Informative)
The Guardian mentions China twice: once to say that half of new vehicles in China are electric, and the other time to say that China could "blunt the impact [of greenhouse emissions]" by favoring renewable energy.
The Guardian fails to mention that China consumes over 50% of the world's coal production [worldometers.info] and over 60% of the new coal-fired electricity production [carbonbrief.org].
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The one good thing with China's authoritarian state is they can drive rational national policy.
They know they need to rapidly industrialize, and they also know that global warming is real and will be a disaster for them.
So they're doing what you'd expect. Expanding power generation as quickly as possible in the short term with coal.
And in the long/medium term building and developing non-CO2 alternatives like Nuclear, solar, and batteries.
Nothing enhanced global social coercion won't fix. (Score:2)
Communism didn't save the world and is now out of fashion.
Surely this popular belief (with or without factual basis is irrelevant, see "religion") could not be exploited by those with ulterior motives. Humanity are too virtuous for that. Elections prove it.
At least our successors will not have the option (Score:2)
... of mining vast amounts of cheap energy in the form of squished forests (not dinosaurs -- it was early forests decaying without the presence of fungi to break them down, mostly) as coal, oil, LNG for their industrial revolutions.
The raccoons, or crows, or octopuses will have to move directly from manual labour to machinery powered by renewable resources like solar and wind, since we will have sucked most of the fossil fuels out of the planet just before we drive ourselves to extinction.
Presuming the resu
"The world is turning to green energy!" - /. (Score:2)
(lol)
heating (Score:2)
What exactly are the differences among global warming, global heating, global roasting, global frying, and global sauteeing?
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us is the worst coal polluter in the world
No. Not total, nor by coal use per capita
https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info]
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Your claims are all over the place, so the the US isn't the worst?
Out of curiosity, how many new coal power plants do you think the US has slatted for construction?
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No, gotta produce cheap and reliable energy to lift people out of poverty. We still have a couple of billions to go.
I know, I know. Caring about the poor is so 1990s. Today we care about killing them via degrowth ideology, because they produce too much CO2. Turns out poor and people leading them disagree, and they are the ones who get to decide, not degrowthers.
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No, gotta produce cheap and reliable energy to lift people out of poverty. We still have a couple of billions to go.
I know, I know. Caring about the poor is so 1990s. Today we care about killing them via degrowth ideology,
Ah yes. Suddenly the coal-rolling MAGA types are the compassionate ones leading the poor to prosperity across Africa and Asia.
Pure and utter bullshit.
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Yeah, who cares the poor will be the worst effected by global warming in most cases
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It's been well established at this point that even fairly minor raise in wealth mitigates pretty much all relevant harmful effects of global warming.
And then you get the bonus of not seeing things like starvation of early 2000s, and instead massive obesity crisis in same places, because CO2 fertilization enabled former borderline regions where nothing could be grown industrially to feed the masses to instead be ag powerhouses.
Just another wumao troll... (Score:2)
F'ing wumao troll. how much did the CCP pay you for this crap? “Lifting the poor out of poverty with coal” is Beijing’s favorite fig leaf for what’s actually going on with coal in China: grid padding for industrial exports and AI server farms. The State of Climate Action report doesn’t call for “degrowth ideology” — it calls for growth that doesn’t choke the sky or the people under it. Nobody’s arguing that Sub-Saharan Africa should skip electri
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You forgot to include me in the following categories:
1. Indian troll
2. ASEAN troll
3. Everything outside EU troll (and maybe US if you squint really hard).
So when one person represents the view of about 7/8th of the world, whereas you go for "7/8 of the world are trolling me when they tell me what they have been doing for decades, are doing right now, and will be doing for foreseeable future", which one is trolling in your view?
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No, numbers on who and where coal has been built up did.
Spoiler alert: They're not feeding AI farms in remote parts of PRC ten years ago.
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And you don't live near a coal-fired power plant. Nor do you even notice the news reports of cities that have them that have major issues with almost-unbreathable air for days.
And, stupid, there are no new jobs in mining.
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https://www.iea.org/reports/co... [iea.org]
Are you ok? Do you need suicide watch due to reality colliding with your bubble?
Hint: you can click on each one and get snazzy longer term charts of growth of coal during last few years. Basically the only place reducing coal usage is the same place where there's an ongoing massive offshoring event of heavy industry due to both added bureaucratic cost of metallurgical coal and electricity prices (because we have decided to pretend that LCOE is the correct measure of power, s