Study Finds Growing Social Circles May Fuel Polarization (phys.org) 67
A new study from the Complexity Science Hub Vienna finds that as people's close social circles expanded from two to five friends around the rise of social media (2008-2010), polarization in society spiked. "The connection between these two developments could provide a fundamental explanation for why societies around the world are increasingly fragmenting into ideological bubbles," reports Phys.org. From the report: The researchers' findings confirm that increasing polarization is not merely perceived -- it is measurable and objectively occurring. "And this increase happened suddenly, between 2008 and 2010," says [says Stefan Thurner from the Complexity Science Hub (CSH)]. The question remained: what caused it? [...] The sharp rise in both polarization and the number of close friends occurred between 2008 and 2010 -- precisely when social media platforms and smartphones first achieved widespread adoption. This technological shift may have fundamentally changed how people connect with each other, indirectly promoting polarization.
"Democracy depends on all parts of society being involved in decision-making, which requires that everyone be able to communicate with each other. But when groups can no longer talk to each other, this democratic process breaks down," emphasizes Stefan Thurner. Tolerance plays a central role. "If I have two friends, I do everything I can to keep them -- I am very tolerant towards them. But if I have five and things become difficult with one of them, it's easier to end that friendship because I still have 'backups.' I no longer need to be as tolerant," explains Thurner.
What disappears as a result is a societal baseline of tolerance -- a development that could contribute to the long-term erosion of democratic structures. To prevent societies from increasingly fragmenting, Thurner emphasizes the importance of learning early how to engage with different opinions and actively cultivating tolerance. The research was published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Democracy depends on all parts of society being involved in decision-making, which requires that everyone be able to communicate with each other. But when groups can no longer talk to each other, this democratic process breaks down," emphasizes Stefan Thurner. Tolerance plays a central role. "If I have two friends, I do everything I can to keep them -- I am very tolerant towards them. But if I have five and things become difficult with one of them, it's easier to end that friendship because I still have 'backups.' I no longer need to be as tolerant," explains Thurner.
What disappears as a result is a societal baseline of tolerance -- a development that could contribute to the long-term erosion of democratic structures. To prevent societies from increasingly fragmenting, Thurner emphasizes the importance of learning early how to engage with different opinions and actively cultivating tolerance. The research was published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
But I thougth there was a loneliness epidemic (Score:3)
I'm confused, and angry, and not voting for whatever politician you like.
Re:But I thougth there was a loneliness epidemic (Score:4, Insightful)
It's true. Social circles *online* are not the same as social circles IRL. It's possible to have "close social circles" and still be lonely.
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I have never done social media and was around LONG before prevalence of SM and even the internet itself.
I''ve pretty much always had the same group of about 10-11 ( 1 passed a couple years ago )....very close friends I stay in touch with on a very regular basis. I live around many of them and those outside of my state...I"m on group text chats, and we *GASP* actually call each other and talk too!!
I've never found la
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Those are good questions. I think people started withdrawing from real-life friendships before Social Media, as TV and air conditioning gave people excuses to stay inside and not socialize.
It seems most people in America have fewer than 5 close friends. https://www.pewresearch.org/sh... [pewresearch.org]. Younger people seem to have fewer close friends.
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"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" (Network 1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] I believe this sort of performative rage has become ritualized and social media fuels it. I don't know what the technical solution to that could be nor what the incentive would be to drive it. (Admittedly I also think it's a great scene).
A house divided cannot stand... (Score:2)
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Since WWII governments have worked tirelessly to divide the populations of the West so we'd fight each other rather than oppose them. Now they're whining about "unity" because they've realized that by dividing us up so badly they've destroyed the cohesion that's required to maintain a first-world society and raise an army to fight whatever enemy-de-jour they may want us to fight.
And they're also shocked that the millions of people they've imported would rather vote for one of their own than for established
Re:A house divided cannot stand... (Score:4, Insightful)
Since WWII governments have worked tirelessly to divide the populations of the West so we'd fight each other rather than oppose them. Now they're whining about "unity" ...
This seems contrary to what i recall. The cold war was all about uniting the west (minus Eastern europe) against the Soviets.
The EU project also was vastly unifying.
Also in the US neither political party is "now whining about 'unity'" , but rather they're doubling down on vilifying the other guy and trying to throw them in jail.
As far as Europe i don't keep up as much , but it seems to be the center and left who are trying to "unify" with each other against those "evil" "far-right" people who want to stop the massive flow of African and Middle Eastern migrants.
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BuT bOtH sIdEs.
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those "evil" "far-right" people who want to stop the massive flow of African and Middle Eastern migrants.
You don't need quotation marks around evil.
Re:A house divided cannot stand... (Score:4, Informative)
Not really, the post-WWII (in the west) period saw unprecedented improvements in human rights, social safety nets, co-operation, etc.
Since the 1980s, pushed hard by Thatcher & Reagan, rich bellends were empowered more and more and more--and started to fuel divisions between populations to distract from the fact that they were making the world worse in every possible way to satisfy their own greed and insecurities.
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too "both sides" for me (Score:2, Insightful)
A lot of people are refusing to call a spade a spade. Social media has enabled these reality deniers to connect and cohere their delusions so that they agree on many of the same wrong things. Social media and media in general have further inflamed things by overdramatizing, in order to increase their revenue. Media is holding megaphones up to the stuff that is the craziest.
It's not "polarization" when some groups are refusing to accept reality, and further, pushing dark false narratives that convenient
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I'll call him a spade!
Where is he?!?
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And recently...BULLETs have drowned out reasoned discussion.....
Hard to discuss when you assassinate people trying to openly discuss differences...
Re:too "both sides" for me (Score:5, Informative)
Thanks for your post. I think I understand your dilemma. However, I was puzzled by a couple of your points.
But Democrats don't get off the hook. They have repressed freedom of religion by banishing religion from all public places
Not sure what specific events you mean, but I think you're confusing banishment with declining to play favorites -- something the US Constitution demands of the government.
There is a time and place for everything, including displays of religiosity. It is not always appropriate to display it in public. Even Christians should understand that, if they follow the instructions Jesus gave them to pray in a room by themselves, not out in public like a show-off.
they have tried to reduce gender to a feeling
No, I don't think so. Gender is a sociocultural construction. Usually it aligns with one's biological sex, but not always. It's certainly more than a feeling.
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Those "rare genetic anomalies" can be up to 1.7% of the population who are born with intersex traits. The average us high school graduating class size is around 137 graduates. That would have 2-3 people in every graduating class with "rare genetic anomalies". This isn't a 1 in a million thing. There are likely people you know, went to school with, and work with who don't nicely fit the narrow guidelines most people were told to believe "a decade or so ago". Should they be forced into a box defined by others
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This.
cayenne8 longs for the good ol' days when gender dysphoria was considered a mental disorder, not a relatively common condition that could affect mental health.
Acknowledging, accepting, and affirmatively treating gender dysphoria as a medical condition (not a disorder) is not a surrender to wokeness. It's an attempt to prevent suicides.
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You're saying that 1.7% of the population is hermaphrodite?
I seriously doubt that....
I've known women and men...most were straight, some were homosexual....
I've yet to meet someone that was not readily categorized as "dick" or "no dick".....that I've ever known.
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> I've yet to meet someone that was not readily categorized as "dick" or "no dick".....that I've ever known.
Yeah, maybe it's more that you haven't been made aware.
Do you think gender roles (social) and sexual roles (biological) are different things?
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And now, that's been quite a number of years....This confusion between the two is a very recent thing and it's stupid....hence us now having biological males going into women's restrooms and locker rooms, much less competing in their sports....
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> Nope....they've been the same since I was born....
Women much more than men wear dresses, men much more than women wear ties, I think it's things like that that are considered gender roles (and those particular roles haven't changed much in the last hundred years).
Those gender roles are socially constructed while sexual roles are based on the genetic and biological evolutionary average biological differences between the female and male sexes.
Do you see how those roles are different ?
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Those "rare genetic anomalies" can be up to 1.7% of the population who are born with intersex traits. The average us high school graduating class size is around 137 graduates.
That "up to" is doing some heavy lifting, as people argue about the Fausto-Sterling's estimate of 1.7%. Intersex is more like 0.018%.
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I admit, I just used Google to get the 1.7% stat. Not sure where 0.018% came from.
With 340M Americans, even using that 0.018% figure puts ~61k in that category.
That's about the size of Gary Indiana or a little more than total Americans killed in the Vietnam War.
And at 8.1B people worldwide, using 0.018% totals ~1.5M people. That's more than the combined populations of Belize, the Bahamas, Iceland, and Barbados.
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I wish I could give a nuance pill to half of the population.
Re: too "both sides" for me (Score:2)
Did Reagan prove deficits don't matter?
Has Trump proved solvency doesn't matter?
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Reagan didn't believe deficits don't matter.
I don't understand your question about Trump, but he is certainly not aligned with Reagan's principles in any way.
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Reality denier. Your reality?
You sound communist.
The broader trend is that there is a self segregation taking place. I moved to Texas. I love it here. You can be a communist in California and enjoy it there.
The market will sort it out.
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Sounds like you say "communist" as if that's a bad thing. Like in the Red Scare in the 1950s.
You love Texas, eh? Well, I don't like that so many have supported the most blatantly incompetent, bigoted, racist, cheating, lying, riot inciting, traitorous anti-American president ever. Jan 6, 2021! Jan 6, 2021! Jan 6, 2021 -- a day that will live in infamy! Texas, and every other state that did so, should be ashamed to have given its electoral votes to such a monstrous villain, especially in 2024 after
Sooo... (Score:2)
I.e. emotional blackmail is really the core of a healthy relationship?
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Social circles 3 generations ago (Score:1)
In the post-WW2 era, most towns of any size had several very active social/fraternal groups, not to mention churches and workplaces where friendships were forged.
Re: Social circles 3 generations ago (Score:2)
When the Mormons came around, were they offended when I called God a drama queen in whose presence I didn't want to spend eternity?
Friendships (Score:4)
The internet seems to have reduced close friendships in society. When I was growing up I had a clique, a crew. People you'd do stuff outside with. And they'd have your back and vice versa. We'd fist fight one day and the next we're best friends. In addition to friends from school or neighborhood ... there was family, cousins who were like siblings. Lots of friends and still friends with them because of Facebook. I noticed that "friendships" that form nowadays are basically fake. When I was a kid, and up into my late twenties, before people had smartphones etc. you could just go to your friends place for no reason. With people that I met after my twenties, I need a "reason" to go their place and also you have to worry about offending them and things like that. When you go to dinner you have to make sure you pay your part and vice versa. Is that friendship to keep accounts, especially when everyone is well off? When hanging out with friends I made before my thirties, sometimes I pay, sometimes they pay .. without anyone tracking turns or amounts. Sure I might have paid more times than my friend or vice versa. It doesn't matter. Friendship shouldn't be subject to conditions like a business. If someone is going through hardship you'd do everything to help, with zero expectation of it being returned.
Re:Friendships (Score:5, Insightful)
While I agree mostly (I came here to write the same, below your post), I have two comments:
When I was a kid, and up into my late twenties, before people had smartphones etc. you could just go to your friends place for no reason. With people that I met after my twenties, I need a "reason" to go their place and also you have to worry about offending them
It's not the smartphone, it's that grew older. Being intrusive, or insulting (offensive) with friends is routine in childhood. As an adult we have learnt RESPECT, a very crucial teaching from parents or teachers.
Is that friendship to keep accounts, especially when everyone is well off?
Yes and that's also a question of respect. I can afford to pay for your lunch, but as we are friends and equals I don't need to demonstrate my wealth or generosity with you, and I don't want to create discomfort in that you become indebted with me, even if for small amounts. Friendship is about reciprocity, not about biasing (purchasing) your friendship through money.
Keeping accounts between friends is codified in a popular sayings; historically Aristoteles in "Eudemian Ethics" (says the internet; I can't find a translation right now), today still a popular saying in France "Les bons comptes font les bons amis", literally "good (correct) accounts make good friends".
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What you are describing is the process of just growing older. No mystery or social change, just aging.
Friend vs. Acquaintances (Score:4, Insightful)
The article misuses the concept of "Friend". We used to have, and still have, only about 2 friends, where friendship is a very specific relation of mutual help. A friend is someone of trust, who would spend time or money to help us in case of need; e.g. drive to pick us up, let us use their sofa for weeks or even months, or lend money to start over with life. We didn't increase in the number of those. Friends who are not politically aligned learn to not talk about politics and continue their happy friendships.
What we have now are numerous online acquaintances, who may have very strong differences in character, interests, opinions, some of whom we wouldn't tolerate in front of us for more than few minutes long due to the very marked differences. Due to online dis-inhibition, we get exposed to their full political opinions much more than in an IRL relation. Online connection to acquaintances opposite very vocal about their political opinions can be very irritating, and is what drives political polarisation.
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Opposite experience personally (Score:3)
I actually have friends that are deeply conservative and extremely religious now, which I haven't had for over 30 years. While certain things are still a trigger for me, I generally do try to talk to them about the differences in opinion and we find some common ground. Most of the shit is just tribal, and avoiding thinking that you are "right" is often the start. Understanding what the other side sees (in both directions) is what builds bridges.
Fortunately very few of them just spout crap from Fox News or whatever, but it makes things interesting.
Wrong way around (Score:2)
They got it the wrong way around. We are naturally wired to seek out people who share and confirm our views. It's not that having more friends makes us polarised. It's just that social networks make it easier for us to find people who share our opinions (and confirm our biases) who then start calling friends.
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Dunbar's number (Score:2)
Dunbar's number [wikipedia.org]
Social Media drives you Mental (Score:2)
Polarization is caused (Score:2)
By social media, who funded this study?
OK so if the problem is social media and cellphone (Score:2)
Lets all just ditch them. I'm in!
Contradiction: social media and friendships (Score:1)
This claim that close friendships dramatically INCREASED by 2.5x with the advent of social media directly contradicts the many studies which find that social media leads to increased loneliness ( AMA Journal of Ethics [ama-assn.org] and PubMed Central [nih.gov]). The phys.org story does not define "close friendships", though it is supposedly based on
No. Data is fine, analysis is stupid. (Score:2)
Tolerance of those in one's "close social circle" is not relevant.
As much as I like to refer to my dear friend rsilvergun as my dear friend, he is not a member of my "close social circle". The
Feedback loop: trolls and fools. (Score:1)
A top reason social media turbocharges polarization is that trolls dominate the conversation and the credulous eat it up:
- Ok, E., Qian, Y., Strejcek, B., & Aquino, K., (2021) Signaling virtuous victimhood as indicators of Dark Triad personalities. (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology), https://doi.org/10.1037/pspp00... [doi.org] : Finds that individuals high in Dark Triad traits (Narcissism, Psychopathy, Machiavellianism) are more likely to signal virtuous victimhood. They present as morally righteous v
Today I learned ... (Score:2)
Hmm, I can find close friends on social media. That's a revelation to me. My close friends are all people I see and talk either face to face or over zoom or a phone. My social media "friends" are all not close to me. They are acquaintances. Yes, I talk about sports or geeky topics with my social media contacts, but I don't consider any of them close friends. Apologies to my slashdot non-friends who might be offended.