CDC Changes Webpage To Say Vaccines May Cause Autism, Revising Prior Language (msn.com) 317
A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention webpage that previously made the case that vaccines don't cause autism now says they might. WSJ: The contents of the webpage came up during Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Senate confirmation process. Sen. Bill Cassidy (R., La.) in February said Kennedy had assured him that, if he was confirmed, the CDC would "not remove statements on their website pointing out that vaccines do not cause autism."
The revised webpage says: "The claim 'vaccines do not cause autism' is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism. Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities." The new text posted Wednesday also notes that the Department of Health and Human Services has launched "a comprehensive assessment" to probe the causes of autism.
The revised webpage says: "The claim 'vaccines do not cause autism' is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism. Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities." The new text posted Wednesday also notes that the Department of Health and Human Services has launched "a comprehensive assessment" to probe the causes of autism.
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Watching Ken Burn's The American Revolution series. Typically high quality documentary...his format never gets old for me.
One of the themes that struck home was around how the 'Founding Fathers' recognized a particular requirement as they began inventing this bottom-up government, where the mass of citizens wielded the power versus a king, military, or other un-elected ruler.
[paraphrasing] " A Republican democracy underscores the need for a populace that is educated and engaged to uphold the principles of self-governance and rule of law. "
Being educated as a virtue, as an aspiration, even a patriotic duty seems quaint in 2025. And being meaningfully politically engaged has been replaced by social media "engagement".
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" A Republican democracy underscores the need for a populace that is educated and engaged to uphold the principles of self-governance and rule of law. "
I think the word Republican in the above should be spelled with a small r .
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It's also unnecessary. The most common alternative to a republic is a constitutional monarchy, and the presence of a figurehead monarch doesn't make a democracy much more resiliant against determined stupidity.
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While I count myself among the tribe of people who think we should govern ourselves based on evidence-based logic and reason, I have to admit, my tribe is a rather small minority.
Unfortunately, evidence-based medicine has become a code word for "treat everyone with the same illness identically even when the data doesn't support doing so. That's how I ended up fighting a c. diff. infection. I was hospitalized for a related condition, and the first day of antibiotics put me at no fever, but after a day, I got a fever again, and I asked if the antibiotic had changed, and they said no, but maybe the ER gave me something different. They checked, and determined that yes, I had been on
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So I'm all for evidence-based medicine as a starting point, but when you realize it isn't behaving normally, you should adjust accordingly.
The thing about adopting evidence-based policy is that you also need to review and if necessary change policy when more evidence becomes available. The kind of situation you're describing would surely qualify.
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So I'm all for evidence-based medicine as a starting point, but when you realize it isn't behaving normally, you should adjust accordingly.
The thing about adopting evidence-based policy is that you also need to review and if necessary change policy when more evidence becomes available. The kind of situation you're describing would surely qualify.
They did review and change the policy. Just too late to do any good. The point is that evidence-based medicine has to be treated as a starting point for diagnosis and treatment decisions, not a rigid decision tree.
Of course, none of that makes the CDC's new claims that "vaccines don't cause autism" isn't an evidence-based statement any less absurd. You can't ever realistically prove definitively that X cannot cause Y, because that would require knowing that there exists no combination of recognizable hum
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Your shaggy dog here is a bit of a straw man. The evidence was that the treatment was not working. Therefore your characterization is improper and you are instead describing laziness, stubbornness or bureaucracy, regardless of what label you (think they) applied.
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At this rate, I wonder if the only remaining solution is Darwinian (which they also don't believe in). Hopefully some of the unfortunate children of anti-vaxers will learn the truth and get their doctor to give them the shot anyway (but I'm guessing MAGA will move to make the punishment for that worse than for murder).
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The problem is that even the measles vaccine is only 97% effective after 2 doses, which means 3% of vaccinated people will still get measles if it is circulating. That's like 10 million Americans.
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must GROW its infected base by more persons, as old cases return to
uninfected life-as-usual. That 97% inoculated-and-immune sea of people are
the potential next victims that NEVER contract and pass on the disease to others,
Similarly, one might prevent forest fires by having 97% of your trees
fireproofed. It's unlikely a fire will hop to the next tree when
most of the neighbors don't burn.
In short, a crowd of folk with 97% immune would result in an
exponential decay of cases after any initial burst, rather than a rise.
Health officials certainly are aware of this.
We all should be aware of this.
Intergity (Score:4, Insightful)
Nobody except the morons who voted for the orange one trust US institutions anyway. Health recommendations will be made at state level (I am in one of the dumb states) whenever possible. Foreign medical professionals will ignore the CDC.
We are a banana republic.
Re:Intergity (Score:5, Informative)
If you need health advice, check some European country's public health agencies. The UK's NHS has a decent website with information on a lot of medical conditions.
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Nobody except the morons who voted for the orange one trust US institutions anyway.
It's actually the exact opposite. Most of his voters voted for him specifically because they do not trust US institutions. Remember that Ronald Reagan guy? I voted for him. Mostly liked what he did. The stuff I didn't like, most of his supporters didn't care about. But the worst thing he ever did was give his infamous "Government is the problem" speech. So Orange Man was voted in by a lot of people who specifically wanted him to fire a bunch of government workers and make trust in US insti
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Dunno, the institutions who were supposed to regulate such things did a pretty good job here, as they did in most places that weren't the US or a specific bit of shadiness between the UK and Iceland.
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Also... breathing. (Score:5, Insightful)
The revised webpage says: "The claim 'vaccines do not cause autism' is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism. Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities."
Breathing can also cause Autism -- and definitely death. Fact: All people with Autism and/or who have died are/were habitual breathers. Claims to the contrary are not evidence based because studies have not ruled out the possibility that breathing can cause Autism and definitely death. ...
In related news: The inmates are running the asylum.
Re:Also... breathing. (Score:5, Informative)
The history of the claim that vaccines cause autism is extremely well documented [wikipedia.org] - as a deliberate fraud.
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The history of the claim that vaccines cause autism is extremely well documented [wikipedia.org] - as a deliberate fraud.
Well aware, but thanks. More people should learn, and believe, this.
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The original claim was a deliberate fraud, but many people believed it, and their part in it was not a "deliberate fraud", at least not on their part. But they *did* believe it because they wanted to, in the face of contrary evidence.
To what degree is the statement wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)
The claim 'vaccines do not cause autism' is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.
That statement is fine, we don't know what causes autism, and frankly defining it is almost a joke, since it is a voluntary diagnosis for the most part. However, you could make the same style statement about almost anything, and it wouldn't be entirely wrong.
The claim 'Oreos do not summon dragons' is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that Oreos can't summon dragons.
It's an idiotic statement, but it's not entirely wrong. Not being wrong, is the not same as being right, and that's the important factor. People will read the autism statement and think the government is finally endorsing the “reality” that vaccine cause autism when they're not. Years ago, during COVID-19, I made a joke that I didn't want to get the COVID-19 vaccine because I didn't want double autism. I'm formally diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, and everyone knew I was joking. My wife, who's a nurse, told one of her clients, who said (paraphrased): “Oh, that's a good point!”, and that woman was serious.
Where the statement becomes very problematic is the next part:
Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities.
What studies? Link the studies, the complete studies because making stupid statements is one thing, but making a falsifiable statement is a violation of public trust. I'm not suggesting that we carefully select some studies, I'm suggesting to post all of them, provide the evidence, if you don't have any, then remove the tail end of the quote. Should the government post careless statements, no, but if you're going to use reverse logic, then make sure you don't provide a falsifiable statement that can be checked.
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The statement is not fine. It doesn't need to be said. Vaccines also don't not cause shark attacks. Does that need to go on the CDC site as well?
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The statement is not fine. It doesn't need to be said. Vaccines also don't not cause shark attacks. Does that need to go on the CDC site as well?
I call bullshit. You try giving a vaccination to a shark. I promise you, it will cause an attack.
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Naturally vaccines increase your risk of shark attack. Sharks don't attack dead people. By keeping you alive through a disease outbreak, you are left vulnerable to shark attack later in life.
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I don't think autism is caused by anything. It's not like there is a definitive test that reads positive or negative. It's a collection of symptoms and behaviors. I'd wager that many scientists and inventors were autistic long before vaccines were discovered.
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It's thought to be 80% hereditary. It's also thought there are from 2 to 4 distinct types [nbcnews.com] of autism, like how ADHD has 2 types.
Lots of scientists and inventors throughout history had autistic traits and would probably meet the diagnostic criteria today. The book Neurotribes by Steve Silberman goes into great depth about the history. Good read.
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That statement is fine, we don't know what causes autism, and frankly defining it is almost a joke, since it is a voluntary diagnosis for the most part. However, you could make the same style statement about almost anything, and it wouldn't be entirely wrong.
Yes but we DO know that vaccines does not cause autism. Not only have this been studied to death, the brain changes that cause autism happens before you are born so unless you want to present the idea of the existence of time machines then nothing you do after birth can be the cause.
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We know what causes autism (Score:2, Interesting)
There are also some factors in the womb that can cause symptoms we associate with autism specifically things like mild fetal alcohol syndrome. That isn't technically autism though and a actual doctor would know the difference.
The beauty of autism from a political standpoint is that the term is used so broadly in the public that you can create a lot of fear and confusion that is highly useful politically. And you can get parents to vote
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I have a condition generally referred to as Chronic Neuropathic Pain Disorder, or “Chronic Pain”. I have 15 doctors / specialists, ranging from my GP (family doctor), to a world recognized expert in pain diagnosis and treatment (Dr James). If we exclude Dr James, and you talk to the other 14 doctors / specialists
This should kill their credibility ... (Score:5, Insightful)
... but it won't: The True Believers will believe it is true, and for everyone else, the current administration's credibility on health-related matters died months ago.
I know Trump voters will avoid this thread (Score:5, Insightful)
Nobody here is so stupid that they don't know this is both wrong and horrific and doesn't understand exactly why that's the case.
And I know there are a bunch of trump voters here on slashdot
For the people who weren't just fooled I wonder what you got out of it?
I know a lot of people are enjoying watching random people with brown skin pulled off the streets and sent to African nations they've never been to.
Funny thing is every one of them thinks they're Christian.
There is a belief among the evangelicals that so long as you believe in Christ you are saved and you can basically do anything you want. Faith and not works is what gets you into heaven.
But you know what, do you really have faith if you voted for trump?
I mean if your boss gives you an order you go do it because you know damn well your boss is real and so are the consequences of ignoring your boss.
Jesus gave you all kinds of orders that you ignore. Unlike your boss you don't think Jesus is real do you?
Basically the evangelicals are closeted atheists. It's just an identity they put on. Something to excuse some of their bad opinions. The Bible is a collection of disjointed texts and books and letters to various denominations so it's easy to find a reason to do just about anything you want to do.
But eventually reality is going to come calling for you. We're going to take away your social security and your Medicare. After that you'll lose your house when you mortgage it to pay for your bills. I wonder who you will blame then and I wonder which passages of the Bible you will use to do it...
Meanwhile I have the entire Republican party telling me that fucking 15-year-old girls doesn't make you a pedophile. What a fucking world we're in.
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Being religious already means you;'re easily enough to fool with fairy tales. Now try not to hurl realising 85% of people adhere to one religion/cult or another.
Btw, Gervais had a point, why is there are term for not believing in a fantasy like an almighty god, but not one for not believing fairy tales or fantasy fiction or the like? I don't feel like im atheist, I feel like I'm a person with reasoning capability, knowing fantasy from reality (I'd never call myself normal in the first place :-p ).
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Be careful. It has not been absolutely proven that vaccines never cause XXX. It probably can't be. It's just that there is no valid evidence that vaccines do cause autism. (At least that I know of.)
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COVID-19 would go away tomorrow if everyone understood the science of vaccines and got vaccinated
There is no sterilizing vaccine for COVID, so no, even if 100% of people got the jab we would still continue having waves of COVID.
MAGAs are Fake Christians (Score:3)
MAGAs are fake Christians, ignore most of Bible, especially all the "don't be greedy" and "don't be an asshole" scriptures. You worship Fox Jesus, not the real Jesus.
Jesus said NOTHING about LGBTQ+, yet belted the shit out of greedy money changers grifting in the temple lobby. Trump would probably be one of the belties if he were alive then. The plutocrats want you to forget about the second and focus on the first so that you allow them to continue to sin and grift. Many don't even
Citation required (Score:5, Insightful)
Make whatever claim you want. But if it's not supported by evidence then you're just flapping your gums.
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks there is a faction that wants to intentionally erode the public's trust in government services. To dismantle a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. And replace it with a very different sort of government; one that eschews pluralism, reserves individual liberty to those with power(money), and establishes a rigid hierarchy with a unitary executive at the top.
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The conspiracy theorist in me thinks there is a faction that wants to intentionally erode the public's trust in government services.
That's not a conspiracy - it's quite genuinely the conservative modus operandi for nearly all public services. That is precisely what they've done with the postal service, education, financial oversight, etc. And they haven't made it a secret, you can just watch the videos and read the statements made by organizations like the Heritage Foundation and others.
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So you are trying to explain away easily observable reality with bad cliche quotes?
Could you be any more disingenuous?
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You're just starting to acknowledge the possibility?
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No, but 30 years ago people thought I was being paranoid, a crank, or just being difficult (troll, contrarian, etc)
Sigh... fine. (Score:5, Insightful)
Those of us not in the US can just pull up a chair and watch it burn down. I'm buying popcorn. They're opting out of health and education, which underpin the future of everything. The future is not theirs - they are steadfastly committed to near irrelevance in a couple of decades. I spent the last decade feeling concern for the citizens of the US, but I'm out of empathy.
"This isn't who we are!" Sorry, that rings hollow now. It is, in fact, who you are.
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I get what you're saying, but it's easy for folks outside of the US to forget how slim Trump's margin of victory was. Recent polls show close to 60% of voters disapprove of his presidency.
It's mind boggling how low the US has sunk, but don't jump to the conclusion that this administration reflects the values of a majority of the populace.
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I get what you're saying, but it's easy for folks outside of the US to forget how slim Trump's margin of victory was.
Actually - The fact that anything more than a fringe minority would support such a person is the issue.
After WWII, there was a lot of ink spilt trying to examine the psyche of the German population, in order to understand what could cause a people to turn en masse in this way. The conclusions were often that there was in fact nothing special about the Germans. This could happen anywhere. But countries like the UK and the US didn't really take this to heart. There was a core belief that the rule abiding Germ
You know the disease variance breeding over here (Score:2)
Now would be a good time for the rest of the world to stage and intervention and maybe try to stop Russia from getting Trump a third term as president.
The problem is you're ruling class is hoping that if America falls they can't get their currency in as the de facto worl
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Perhaps they are opting out of poison and indoctrination?
I've always been glad to not live in the US - Trumps version or anyone elses.
Andrew Wakefield (Score:5, Informative)
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He was punished by becoming a millionaire and porking Elle Mcpherson.
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Tylenol ? (Score:2)
What if I take Tylenol after my vaccine to soothe the pain? Is that ok?
Also maybe we should start working in earnest on learning the science behind dementia. Seems like there is a cluster in the Washington DC area.
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What if I take Tylenol after my vaccine to soothe the pain? Is that ok?
Also maybe we should start working in earnest on learning the science behind dementia. Seems like there is a cluster in the Washington DC area.
Only if you're not pregnant!
Tylenol (Score:2)
Welcome to the moronosphere (Score:3)
Republicans continue their war on science
This is the end game (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump goal here is to turn government institutions into cess pools that nobody trusts. Kennedy is a useful idiot for this purpose. The end game is to burn down the entire federal government.
Re:This is the end game (Score:4, Interesting)
You're wrong... in thinking Trump is the actual boss. In truth, Trump is basically just another "useful idiot", for the billionaires above him - some of whom serve on his cabinet.
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The billionaires are to some extent a tool as well. Or more specifically, they choose to align. We need to look at the politics plain and simple. And to get visibility on that, you need to look at the bundled law changes. One class in particular stands out - the Israel exceptions on crimes.
It's a little like how the President can't be lawfully wrong about anything now. Trump could order an assassination of the opposition leader and it's legal as long as it's done as the President. He even gets to pard
Darwin calling (Score:2)
Next will come the dunking chairs for witch craft testing. If you drown you are innocent and have gone upstairs, if you don't drown you are put to death for being a witch.
REMOVE ALL WARNING LABELS (Score:3)
This is a great way to cull the morons out of the population, and best of all it will be self selecting.
Yes that's basically what needs to happen at this point: REMOVE ALL WARNING LABELS [youtube.com].
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Wait - November is after September (Score:2)
Trump and RFK told us they were gonna announce the cause of autism "in September"... what's the hold-up? Is it listed in the Epstein Files?
Proving negative (Score:2)
The claim 'vaccines do not cause autism' is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.
While I think that the claim is plausible, it does require proof which I have not seen. There is no reverse obligation to prove the negative.
Get vaccinated! (Score:2)
If you think avoiding vaccines for you and your children is in your best interest then stay the hell away from the rest of us. You'll soon have plaque colonies that will welcome you with open sores.
What a Horrible Joke (Score:5, Informative)
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Kennedy somehow in charge of a country's health direction is the last thing I would have imagined. But here we are. Bizzaro world.
Well, if we're going to consider that... (Score:2)
...I want a statement that autism is created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. For reasons only He understands, He sometimes reaches out with his noodley appendage and gives kids autism.
Is that true? We don't know, we haven't rigorously investigated it, have we now? Since there's exactly as much evidence to support the FSM as vaccines causing autism, the CDC has a duty to mention both possibilities.
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Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Funny)
No, they're made of wood, and THEREFORE.....
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Informative)
For the 1000th time, having a "reaction" listed on VAERS _does not_ mean the vaccine caused the reaction. That is not how it works nor what that site is intended for.
But keep spreading misinformation if it makes you feel better and so you can keep your anti-vax credentials.
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's try all the excess deaths of people who weren't vaccinated. Or the ones where coroners deliberately changed death certificates [kansascity.com] or didn't bother to count covid deaths [missouriindependent.com] at all. How about fake reporting to keep the covid death count lower [nih.gov] than it actually was?
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Insightful)
Misinformation-peddling piece of shit is what you are.
Their concern was a reduction in efficacy of the vaccines, not that the vaccines were killing people.
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Informative)
In Maryland, half the covid deaths came from the vaccinated, and half from the unvaccinated populations.
Half the deaths came from the 90 percent who were vaccinated; half came from the 10 percent that were not.
I leave the math to the reader (out of a hundred people, 10 die. Five from group 1, which has 90 people, and five from group 2, which has 10 people).
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trouble is the "skeptical" people quickly turn into CARRIERS which is worse.
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There was a li
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Vaccines certainly did cut down on transmission (stopping it cold was a media exaggeration). Some teens got mild myocarditis, but many unvaccinated teens got COVID and more severe myocarditis or just plain died.
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If 95% of everyone got the vaccine protocol, it would have stopped transmission. Not individually but epidemiologically. Go ahead and argue the pedantics of the semantics.
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Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:4, Insightful)
The thing is, it wasn't lying. First there wasn't much evidence for the myocarditis, then it was confounded evidence. Did the kid get myocarditis from the vaccine itself, or was it from the beginning of a COVID infection aborted because the immune system was already actively reacting to spike protein at the time.
Of course, over-arching all of that, COVID causes myocarditis too, and often worse so it wasn't all that clear if mild myocarditis from the vaccine would even matter. Try explaining that to people ready to eat horse paste and unsure why people are laughing at Trump's suggestion to inject bleach.
Then there's a question of how much of the distortion came from scientists and how much from journalists (mis-)quoting them?
Now that the data is in, we can see that there is some possibility of mild myocarditis from the vaccine.
The thing about science is that as more data comes in, theories change and so actions suggested by those theories also change. In emergent situations such as the COVID pandemic, data and change can come fast.
Perhaps a sports analogy. After the first baseball game of the year, plenty of batters have an average of 1.000 for the year. Plenty have .000 for the year. That will change a LOT in the next day. By the end of the season, batting averages don't move that much in a single game.
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Informative)
No scientist claimed it would stop transmission.
Myocarditis is indeed a known effect of the spike protein, however- as expected from the considerably lower amount of circulating protein from a vaccination as opposed to an infection- getting the vaccine was far safer than getting COVID if that microscopic edge case was actually a concern of yours- which it wasn't.
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Weak ass straw man.
You seem to not know what a straw man is. You need to re-study your logical fallacies [logicalfallacies.org]
No scientist claimed it would stop transmission.
Rochelle Walensky is a real scientist; she is a physician-scientist with a background in infectious diseases and public health, holding an M.D. from Johns Hopkins University and an MPH from Harvard University. In a CBS interview, she stated that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick," [thehill.com] implying no transmission risk from vaccinated individuals. This was based on early data showing low viral loads in
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:4, Informative)
You seem to not know what a straw man is. You
Sure do.
Person A said: We call those people scientists.
Person B said: Heard that a lot along with "the vaccine will stop transmission"
No scientist claimed any such thing, so you constructed a straw man that you could easily break down (since anyone can see that such a claim is false)
Nice try though, piece of shit.
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100% miracle cure for the virus.
Are you suffering from memory loss or "brain fog" ? I'm not sure how months of telling people to wear a mask, stay home if they are sick, and get vaccinated translated to 100% cure in your head.
(effectiveness of last year's vaccine show it to be high in children, 79% and lower in adults, 34%. source: https://www.cdc.gov/acip/downl... [cdc.gov] )
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Are you suffering from memory loss or "brain fog" ?
Long COVID, if I were to take a guess.
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Journalists kind of suck at communicating science to laypeople, in part because journalists are laypeople themselves, and in part because they suffer from Dunning–Kruger syndrome and are too stupid to realize their their journalism degree doesn't mean their expertise extends to all areas.
Under the Biden administration, you'll see several phrases from the CDC that are more measured. Such as "a path forward" or other variations using the key word "forward". I don't know why anyone would pick up some ran
Your candidate for worst lie of our day? (Score:2)
My top candidates just now:
1. It's just a joke.
2. I'm just asking questions. (Most relevant to this story.)
3. AI is good.
So what's your favorite?
In my typically verbose way, I feel like a few words of clarification are called for. Also another attempted joke or two?
The first one is mostly frequently abused as an excuse for bad behavior, including speech behaviors. In particular, there are many lies that used to be taken as proof of character flaws, but now they are just spun away. In orange particular, "The
Re:Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:5, Insightful)
Now only if your claim of anyone with relevant knowledge claiming a vaccine is a 100% cure for anything was true.
Spoiler alert: nobody that knows anything about immunology or virology ever made that claim. You did, when erecting a straw man argument.
Re: Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:2)
If every measurement is a social act, how much faith in humans do you have to have to believe in science?
Re: Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:2)
When doctors refused to wash hands before surgery because "what you can't see can't hurt you", should they have been challenged?
Re: Imagine if the COVID vaccine cultists (Score:4, Informative)
They were challenged by other doctors and scientists. The challengers won the day. The MAGA cultists would have been demanding a dose of horse paste before surgery and no Tylenol after.
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The fact that surgeons today wouldn't think of operating without washing their hands. I never said it was a quick victory.
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Yes, and while we're at it, let's reintroduce radium-lined drinking water jars [wikipedia.org]! After all, "Water without radioactivity is like air without oxygen!"
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and brush up on my trepanation technique. I'll have a quiet word with Robert; it's about time that the old tried and tested therapies were brought back.
Don't forget that refresher on prefrontal lobotomy via the nostril. Oh, wait - I guess someone with the handle "SnotMelon" wouldn't miss that old gem... ;-0
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.. the person that doesn't get vaccinated infects someone you love who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons.
Those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons are depending on the rest of us to create "herd immunity" to protect them, because short of living a life in isolation, that's the only protection they have.