Trump Launches Genesis Mission, a Manhattan Project-Level AI Push (nerds.xyz) 102
BrianFagioli writes: President Trump has issued a sweeping executive order that creates the Genesis Mission, a national AI program he compares to a Manhattan Project level effort. It centralizes DOE supercomputers, national lab resources, massive scientific datasets, and new AI foundation models into a single platform meant to fast track research in areas like fusion, biotech, microelectronics, and advanced manufacturing. The order positions AI as both a scientific accelerator and a national security requirement, with heavy emphasis on data access, secure cloud environments, classification controls, and export restrictions.
The mission also sets strict timelines for identifying key national science challenges, integrating interagency datasets, enabling AI run experimentation, and creating public private research partnerships. Whether this becomes an effective scientific engine or another oversized federal program remains to be seen, but the administration is clearly pushing to frame Trump as the president who put AI at the center of U.S. research strategy.
The mission also sets strict timelines for identifying key national science challenges, integrating interagency datasets, enabling AI run experimentation, and creating public private research partnerships. Whether this becomes an effective scientific engine or another oversized federal program remains to be seen, but the administration is clearly pushing to frame Trump as the president who put AI at the center of U.S. research strategy.
AI or A1? (Score:5, Funny)
His cabinet doesn't know the difference between artificial intelligence and sauce for overcooked steaks https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
Re:AI or A1? (Score:5, Funny)
A1, I put this shit on everything, even my laptop.
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Only in this regime. Prior administrations, forgetting about el Bunko I, had very intelligent Sec. of Ed.
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It is a Manhattan Project-level grift scheme, whatever the name.
Now instead of scientists evaluated by their peers working on real problems, however imperfectly, you'll have a setup that is completely without accountability and feedback that you'll pay for, on which a couple of lucky cretins like cuckerberg, thiel and the fat Nazi who have saved enough from the low tax for the super-rich system will play games hoping they can develop a "GAI" that will give them a better scheme to swindle you out of the left
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Well... maybe with any luck in 1-3 years when this mindbogglingly ridiculous govt gets booted, that giant computer brain can be put to some sort of useful use, like climate change, or figuring out how to unfuck democracy or something
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I hope so. We will see how it goes, and will there be a big computer at the end of it, or just a big beautiful bill that the electorate is stuffed with.
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maybe with any luck in 1-3 years when this mindbogglingly ridiculous govt gets booted
Who's going to do the booting? Certainly not "the will of the people". If the constitution can be freely ignored, and the Army proves to be loyal, then that can be freely ignored too.
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Well, it aint over till the fat lady sings. You'll know either way late next year I suspect. Then you get to find out if that second ammendment is worth shit.
The thing is though,historically its not senior brass that coups govts, its junior officers. If the senior brass wants to engage in a bunch of democracy suppression and t
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His cabinet doesn't know the difference between artificial intelligence and sauce for overcooked steaks https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
Honestly, at this point, he probably just thinks he's giving a job to a guy name Al - "A" "L" - who lives in Manhattan. (*sigh*)
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Incredible! (Score:4, Insightful)
Will this AI give us the complete Epstein files?
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Will this AI give us the complete Epstein files?
Yes. It will deliver the complete and unabridged Harvey Epstein files.
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This is just pushing us closer to the Terminator or "I Have No Mouth and I Must scream" science fiction, but entirely plausible scenarios.
The former, everyone is mostly aware of from the second film due to Cyberdyne. The latter people are less familiar with.
Both basically are "AI takes over and exterminates humanity", both centering on an advanced AI having access to everything. So what is the ultimate play by both? Humanity is a threat to itself, so it must exterminate humanity.
Even "The Matrix" is a more
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In the future, Terminator bots will track you down and demand payment to be funneled to el Bunko by threatening to make you sit next to Stinky during a very loooong cabinet meeting if you don't pay up.
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Evil Genious Time (Score:3)
I am launching the GENESIS project. The biggest greatest most beautiful project ever but first I need some rich Arabs to put $trillions in.
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Mwuhaahaaa ...grabs the pussy ...
Alternate lede.
Mark my words (Score:5, Funny)
This is going to be the most expensive nothing burger the world has ever seen.
Trump exposed as scammer (Score:2)
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Predictable outcomes. (Score:5, Insightful)
Vast amounts of money flowing to companies that will leave precious little as they fail out. The rich who are willing to play the game will get richer.
Haven't heard much about DOGE lately. I'm sure they have an unbroken track record of success marrying disparate datasets of a scale that is microscopic compared to what's being proposed here.
Won't matter who wins in 2028. They're going to inherit sweet fuck all except for a half finished White House.
Re:Predictable outcomes. (Score:5, Informative)
Part of OPM now (Score:4, Informative)
Much of the DOGE commission's responsibility had been moved to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) for the past several months. See "DOGE 'cut muscle, not fat'; 26K experts rehired after brutal cuts" by Ashley Belanger [arstechnica.com]
Re:Part of OPM now (Score:5, Insightful)
Pretty much an admission that the government had these audit agencies all along so all DOGE was really able to do was not save any money, add more bureaucracy and indirectly kill a bunch of people in other countries. [harvard.edu]
Re:Part of OPM now (Score:5, Insightful)
and exfiltrate data. That is pretty important I think.
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Fuckin' truuuuuuuue
Turned out the government actually had working protocols and guardrails to keep people's personal data isolated between departments and Republicans blew that all up in like 45 days.
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DOGE may not exist, but the damage it did is still here.
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dinguses left after finding cabal in federal government.
Re:Predictable outcomes. (Score:4, Insightful)
DOGE doesn't but the little Maggots in it have been seeded out to the agencies to spread their diseases further. I hope the next actual Administration goes through and weeds out the Maggots with which la Presidenta has infested the Fed. Gov. And sells off the tasteless gold-plated gewgaws with which el Bunko has festooned the White House, give the proceeds to the poor. And while it is cleaning house, it can tear down the dumpy flag poles he's installed and tear down the new "ballroom" and the new gaudy arch he's planning. They can dump it on Mar-a-Lago, "Here's your crap back, Miss Piggy!"
Agenda 2025 (Score:2)
Should be interesting to see what comes ot this... (Score:5, Insightful)
The order positions AI as both a scientific accelerator and a national security requirement, with heavy emphasis on data access, secure cloud environments, classification controls, and export restrictions.
This from the administration that fires competent scientists and other government employees despite their importance to functioning government departments, and lets rando journalists into secret online meetings.
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If nothing else, Kennedy and his cronies can duck behind really expensive equipment while flinging feces at each other. We can leave some bones amongst the servers for them to discover and perhaps use to beat each other.
It's spelled Genisys (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Re:It's spelled Genisys (Score:4, Informative)
40W is quite modest. A 7.62mm round delivers something like 3.5kJ. Assume it hits you with 700m/s and that you're 50cm thick, the bullet will have travelled inside you for about 0.001s. Assume, for simplicity that it leaves a quarter of its energy in you and continues on merrily. Then you have power P = A/t = (3.5/4)/0.001 = 0.875MW, a tad more than 40W.
Alternatively, you can do the reverse calculation - if 875 watts are delivered to you by the bullet, you'll need to shine at someone for 22 seconds to get the same power into them with that rifle. Effective on a non-moving and unshielded positronic brain, perhaps, but quite likely not very lethal to a human.
Because clearly... (Score:2)
...the leading technical companies in each of those industries isn't already investing heavily in AI backed by their own expertise and funded with their own money and not federal taxes.
Dumbass puts huge money late into obvious bubble (Score:5, Interesting)
This is going to be such a disastrous investment it's going to make Solyndra look like an insignificant whoopsie in comparison. While Chinese product dumping efforts can be hard to foresee, the obviousness and severity of the AI bubble has been on public display for anyone who cares to look for months now. And there's the potential to sink far more money into it. The winner of the AI race is going to be whoever wastes the least money on this folly, and the US looks set for a massive and easily avoidable loss now.
And let's not forget the end goal of this. If someone were to win this race in the fictional imagined scenario where AI didn't hit the core of Diminishing Returns Planet around ChatGPT 4 and there was some kind of path from LLM tech to AGI, the end result would be a technology that augments/replaces labor (same thing, don't be fooled by your boss) in a world dominated by an economic system where most people are workers who need to be able to find buyers for their labor. What could possibly go wrong with that?
Re:Dumbass puts huge money late into obvious bubbl (Score:4, Informative)
This may come as a surprise to you, but the world-wide-web still exists.
The bubble popping is not a certainty- eventually real-value can catch up to inflated value. But if it does- AI isn't going away. It's just going to be valued correctly, which is definitely not zero.
Diminishing returns does not mean value does not increase. We have yet to reach "zero returns".
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So in other words, because chewy.com exists today it would've been smart to invest into pets.com at the height of its value?
Re:Dumbass puts huge money late into obvious bubbl (Score:5, Interesting)
Clearly we're misunderstanding each other. I was saying that investing in the bubbled asset was folly. I think the AI industry will continue to exist after the bubble pops but at a size no larger than the database industry today. So not zero value, but a small fraction of what it is currently.
I do think that the amount of money being invested in AI training for the improvements being produced is an absurd waste. They're spending larger and larger sums of money to produce rapidly vanishing improvements that customers have so far never shown an interest in paying enough to turn a profit with.
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Apologies.
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Totally agree. Today's "AI" companies would like their investors to believe there's a path though.
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The fact is- we don't really know.
LLMs- absurdly large language models- are as close as we've come to something that exhibits intelligence.
Functionally, at the core, brains and ANNs are both big ass networks of threshold logic.
Training an ANN to have simple behaviors is ridiculously trivial- you've been able to do it with open source tools for decades.
You can train a model to
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LLMs- absurdly large language models- are as close as we've come to something that exhibits the appearance of intelligence.
FTFY
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Intelligence (n):
the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
You will not find a definition of intelligence that LLMs don't fit that doesn't either 1) hinge upon some undefined meaning, or 2) is outright anthropocentric.
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Hol' up!
Did you just make the case for LLMs being actually intelligent?
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I think perhaps you're trying to imply more meaning to the word "intelligent" than there actually is.
Rather, I think you and your ilk are trying to apply the word anthropocentrically because you're uncomfortable with this particular form of intelligence.
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An LLM may be an ingredient, but the current commercial approach of trying to just build an LLM so big that it magically becomes an AGI somehow (or I think the idea may be to make a stochastic parrot good enough to be hard to distinguish from an AGI) sure doesn't look anything like a path, especially when the returns are diminishing so hard.
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There are deficits in behavior where even an LLM with all the emergent intelligence in the world will still be kneecapped- like the limits of context.
But I do think that language modeling itself can be essentially thought of as knowledge modeling (and all available evidence supports this), and that from knowledge comes intelligence (good amount of evidence to support this as well).
I.e., I think there is good evidence that we are, indeed, "on the path".
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Well that's a scary thought in a world where people have to sell their labor to survive...I hope you're wrong but I fear you may not be.
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No one can explain what AGI would really be.
Perfect.
However, previously you said:
There is no path from LLM to AGI.
Which kind of leads one to think that you seem to know.
That's the point. I've posted exactly that several times but you're not paying attention just looking to play gotcha games so you can feel smart.
You also pointed exact contradictions.
LLM is well understood and explainable but not AGI.
But no one can explain what AGI would really be- so how can you explain that LLMs can't be it?
My explanation is like yours: That AGI is not a known destination with any kind of known path.
The difference between you and I, is I can rub 2 brain cells together and you can't- and I'm not deviating from that position to suit my argument.
You don't know if LLMs are the path to AGI
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“The US attempt to create a postsoviet style right wing oligarchic system collapsed because Americans are addicted to scams and turned the U.S. economy into a bubble for chatbots”
Stealing from Star Trek again (Score:2)
Lying and stealing is so ingrained into their rotten brains they can't even name something without it being a rip-off.
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The real question is whether SEGA or Phil Collins's label will sue first.
Re: Stealing from Star Trek again (Score:2)
Gets rid of those pesky employees (Score:1)
National "security" requirement (Score:2)
The order positions AI as both a scientific accelerator and a national security requirement
Deploying troops to democrat cities was also a national security requirement. I'd say robots with weapons will be a key priority.
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I fear (Score:2)
our future.
The only thing Trump has launched.. (Score:1)
Copying China? (Score:2)
Seems like someone in the white house is listening to all the media rhetoric about there being an AI competition between the US and China.
Just because he claims it, doesn’t make it r (Score:2)
In fact, the opposite is more likely to be the case. The man bullshits all the time about what’s happening. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the US government will be investing on the same scale as it did for the Manhattan project: 500k people over the years, 30bn in today’s money, 0.3% of GDP, etc. I am sure he’ll waste some government money on this thing, but it won’t be on anything like that scale. Most likely just a rebadge of current private sector spending to claim
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$30B is also nothing compared to what private companies are already putting into AI/ML, although there is little value in the government building yet another LLM, which is the compute-gobbler.
I wonder how this would even meant to work - if the US government made some, say, fusion or biotech breakthrough via AI/ML, spending taxpayer money, then which private companies are they going to share it with?
Missed opportunity (Score:2)
He missed the opportunity to call it the Neon Genesis Project instead of Genesis Mission.
How can this possibly go wrong? /s (Score:1)
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"President Harris Initiates Visionary AI Project: The Harris administration announced a large-scale public-private partnership to develop the Genesis Mission, a national AI program that will exceed the efforts and results of the Manhattan Project. As AI is both a scientific accelerator and national security requirement, Ms. Harris' leadership ensures the U.S. emphasises data access, secure cloud environments, classification controls, and export restrictions.
With strict timelines set, it is widely believed t
Just take the money (Score:2)
Why do these people even bother to make up bullshit excuses for taking our money? Leave the "AI" part out and just announce that you're writing yourself a few checks at the taxpayers' expense.
Take what you want. Take it all! Just stop lying about it. It's not like you're fooling us anyway.
Manhattan how? (Score:2)
The Genesis Project, eh? (Score:2)
I remember Project Genesis working great last time around!
("I...have had enough...of you!")
Wonderful, not (Score:4, Interesting)
So, take the supercomputing clusters from the groups using them who already have to schedule time, and make one big lump, where *every* group will have to schedule time, and waits for time will be far longer.
Next, they'll build their own small clusters to, you know, actually get work done.
Why, yes, while I was at the NIH, I built small clusters for our people.
It's starting to make more sense (Score:1)
Did Trump just watch Star Trek II? (Score:1)
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Terminator Genisys (Score:1)