Study Finds Tattoo Ink Moves Through the Body, Killing Immune Cells (latimes.com) 201
Bruce66423 shares a report from the Los Angeles Times: Tattoo ink doesn't just sit inertly in the skin. New research shows it moves rapidly into the lymphatic system, where it can persist for months, kill immune cells, and even disrupt how the body responds to vaccines. Scientists in Switzerland used a mouse model to trace what happens after tattooing. Pigments drained into nearby lymph nodes within minutes and continued to accumulate for two months, triggering immune-cell death and sustained inflammation. The ink also weakened the antibody response to Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE's COVID vaccine when the shot was administered in tattooed skin. In contrast, the same inflammation appeared to boost responses to an inactivated flu vaccine. "This work represents the most extensive study to date regarding the effect of tattoo ink on the immune response and raises serious health concerns associated with the tattooing practice," the researchers said. "Our work underscores the need for further research to inform public health policies and regulatory frameworks regarding the safety of tattoo inks."
The findings have been published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The findings have been published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
You're thinking about this wrong. (Score:5, Interesting)
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It was already an X-Files episode [wikipedia.org].
A mouse model? (Score:5, Funny)
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Not tramp stamps, rat tats.
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Not tramp stamps, rat tats.
Why am I picturing a tiny rat named Capone sporting ink that reads “rat-a-tat-tat”, bitching about how he can’t stand a rat?
Man, I need to lay off The Untouchables after midnight.
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Man, I need to lay off The Untouchables after midnight.
Also the mushrooms you were eating before the late night film session.
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ChatGPT:
"Wags" just means wisecrackers or jokesters, often in a slightly sarcastic sense. The original sentence is saying that people on social media are making jokes about the research, not that any specific group is being identified.
Wow! (Score:3, Insightful)
So injecting an artificial dye into the human body can have deliterious effects! Who'd have thunk it?
Luckily - other than with criminals - covering yourself in naff tats seems to have been a millennial fad that is slowly fading. I guess they still wanted to look tough (failed) while sipping their skinny latte frappucino with whipped cream.
Gen-Z seem to be a bit body smarter.
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"a millennial fad that is slowly fading"
upvote for the pun but i'm seeing more people getting inked than ever.
the daughter of a colleague is making nearly 6 figures after only 2 years experience.
i don't understand the urge to cover oneself in tattoos but different strokes
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It's only recently did tattoos go from underground shame to acceptance by most of the public. Probably started around the 90s, and from there the popularity of them took off.
Before that, usually a person with a tattoo was someone mixed up in bad dealings you wanted to avoid.
But since general perception has changed, they've gotten a lot more accepted and more people get them in places that are a lot more visible (people who got them usually had them hidden under clothing). In more conservative circles, this
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It varies from time to time. In the 1940's it was common for folk to get tattoos, at least in the US Navy. Ozzy the iceman was covered with tattoos. (Of course, since he was killed it might indicate that he was something analogous to a criminal, but probably not.)
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The real problem with tattoos is they're permanent, and I can't really tell you anything I liked 10 years ago I still like today, which means "forever" is kind of reserved for something I'm not quite sure what yet.
So are scars, but people still skateboard or rock climb or whatever. If you care that much about what you might think about it in 10 years then a tattoo is probably not for you. It's an imprint left by a decision that past you made on current you. It's just a little more intentional than that time you decided to dive for a fly ball and landed on a broken bottle or whatever.
Yeah, current you might not align 100% with past you's choices, but that's life. You integrate them into your identity as best you c
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Tats sort of look okay up until age 30. Between 30-40, you look like you are fighting old age and losing. Between 40-50, you look like you are trying to fit into your kids' social group. Between 50-60, you look like your crazy uncle having a mid-life crisis. Between 60-70, you look like you think you are still 18 going on 80. Between 70-80, you look like a badly worn carpet, Between 80-90, you are absolutely hideous and they make you look like a decayed corpse. From 90 on, you will be a decayed corpse before you are a decayed corpse.
Re:Wow! (Score:5, Funny)
That's what it looks to boomers. Who knows what it looks like to zoomers?
Between 60 and 99 - I only want to see green faded-ass anchors aways and mermaids with titties out.
Between 50 and 60 - Chinese Symbols are ok, Anchors or titty mermaids are "Oh god, Dad!"
Between 40 and 50 - Full sleeves or blackouts are cool, Chinese Symbols are trying too hard
Between 30 and 40 - Full sleeves and blackouts are eww, gross. Full body snakes are TDF
Between 20 and 30 - I'm guessing the only acceptable tats are skibidi toiilets and minecraft.
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There was that period in the 2000s when faux Celtic symbols were popular. They looked cool for about 5 minutes, then they were too common.
Most people with Chinese characters don't seem to have bothered to figure out what the actual word they want is, they just pick some that sound kinda like the English version, or what some website claimed it was. Often they end up being kinda funny to people who can read Chinese. I met a guy who thought he had is name in Japanese on his arm, but it actually said "Paula".
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Same goes for clothes. Super Dry print complete nonsense on their clothes, for some reason. Not even a mistake, it looks like they just randomly selected some text that looks cool from multiple sources, fragments of words here and there, and mashed them all together. At least my Japanese shirt that says "assumption is the mother of screw-up" is attempting to make sense.
You might enjoy https://engrish.com/ [engrish.com] Some of it makes sense after a little thought. Some of the things on T-shirts will probably get you asked to change if you wear them in an English speaking country.
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Sometimes they aren't even mistakes. A classic one is "Diet Water". In Japanese, the word "water", as in the English loan word that they have adopted, refers to flavoured health/energy drinks. They have a word for actual water, "mizu", as you might expect.
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Is it funny because of "TDF"? Even with the AIs I couldn't figure that one out.
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The real question is why you are so concerned as to how other peoples bodies look.
Re: Wow! (Score:2)
Tattoos look fine on old Maori. And face and neck tattoos are common. It's all about expectations. We expect 70 year olds to have faded military tattoos because that's what guys of their generation got tattooed on then.
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Luckily - other than with criminals - covering yourself in naff tats seems to have been a millennial fad that is slowly fading.
My observation is the opposite. In my 20s tattoos were just common enough to be accepted as normal, but the majority of people didn't have them and most people who did had one or two fairly small ones.
Today, it seems everyone and their dog has them.
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So injecting an artificial dye into the human body can have deliterious effects! Who'd have thunk it?
Said literally about every discovery of the hundreds of chemicals we put into our body that cause problems, all while giving a free pass to the thousands of others we presume inert because we're ignorant as to otherwise.
Luckily - other than with criminals - covering yourself in naff tats seems to have been a millennial fad that is slowly fading.
Tell us you haven't left your parents basement in 20 years without telling us. You really should get out more, that stale air is turning you into a judgmental arsehole. Millennials have the most, but Gen-Z are only slightly behind in the stats, and they have another 10 years to make these decisions as well.
Gen-Z seem to be a bit body smarter.
The generation we've nicknamed the Tide-Pod generation because they were eating tidepods as a TikTok challenge? Is that the Gen-Z you're talking about? If you're not going to leave the basement at least read the news occasionally.
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The generation we've nicknamed the Tide-Pod generation because they were eating tidepods as a TikTok challenge? Is that the Gen-Z you're talking about? If you're not going to leave the basement at least read the news occasionally.
In the young groups I am around, Tattoos are considered passe', and not cool.
As one young lady said, "In 40 years, we'll hear "Tattoos? Ewwww, my Grandma has them, they look gross" "
A lot of Pop culture is still stuck in the idea that the more tats, the cooler. But that's how fads and social trends go. When the Tattoo craze ends - there might be a surge in laser removal, at least until the person having them removed ends up with a tattoo ghosting - the removal process removes skin pigments with the ta
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In the young groups I am around, Tattoos are considered passe', and not cool. As one young lady said, "In 40 years, we'll hear "Tattoos? Ewwww, my Grandma has them, they look gross" "
We don't need to guess and go out and talk to kids. The statistics can be looked up. Depending on studies GenZers are only about 10-20% behind Millenials. If you then look at the general distribution of *when* people get tattoos you can expect GenZ's percentage to increase further over time while Millennial's are unlikely to change from this point forward.
Anecdotes and soundbites are irrelevant.
The rest of us are allowed to have our opinions (and sometimes facts) about that.
Indeed, but when your opinions don't fit facts (such as the fact that 25% of millennials don't actually have a cri
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The generation we've nicknamed the Tide-Pod generation because they were eating tidepods as a TikTok challenge? Is that the Gen-Z you're talking about?
Yeah well my generation voted for Brexit in the UK and Trump in the US. Doesn't matter what generation you are, you're in a fuck off massive glass house.
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You're funny, most people don't have tattoos. somewhat less than a third.
Generally people with poor self-image graffiti their body permanently.
And a remarkable lack of boundaries in so many cases - which might feed into the poor self image.
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You're funny, most people don't have tattoos. somewhat less than a third.
I'm not sure what your point is. My point is there's no significant differences between generations and Gen-Z also have plenty of tattoos. Is your point that 1/3rd of people is not a big number, and that 1/3rd of people have poor self-image? If so WOW.
My anecdote: The only people I know with tattoos are those with such good confidence in their self-image that they happily display their body as a canvas. Very much the opposite of what you say.
Before I hit submit I decided to see if there was any information
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No why would I be triggered? I'm not a Gen-Zer, I just really like pointing out that you frequently say very stupid things.
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It must be Irony Day again.
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In another article, I saw a suggestion that scientists were trying the opposite: injecting vaccines with a tattoo gun. The whole point of that is that the immune system is very active just below the skin, while deep in the muscle tissue you are too far behind the defenses.
Not with a tattoo gun, but yes, microneedle delivery [nih.gov] is a new experimental way to deliver vaccines. It's less like a tattoo gun and more like a nicotine patch or a bandaid, though.
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So injecting an artificial dye into the human body can have deliterious effects! Who'd have thunk it?
Luckily - other than with criminals - covering yourself in naff tats seems to have been a millennial fad that is slowly fading. I guess they still wanted to look tough (failed) while sipping their skinny latte frappucino with whipped cream.
Gen-Z seem to be a bit body smarter.
Thats quite a weak justification to assume they’re smarter. Tattoos have gotten a HELL of a lot more expensive in the last decade, and I’d say that has a bit more influence on it. I’m not even in that age demographic and make decent money. I can’t justify the cost, and I’m not going to shame the artist by asking for discounts.
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Luckily - other than with criminals - covering yourself in naff tats seems to have been a millennial fad that is slowly fading.
Fifty plus years ago, tattoos were a symbol of rebellion.
Around twenty-five years ago, it became a matter of conformity.
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So injecting an artificial dye into the human body can have deliterious effects! Who'd have thunk it?
Luckily - other than with criminals - covering yourself in naff tats seems to have been a millennial fad that is slowly fading. I guess they still wanted to look tough (failed) while sipping their skinny latte frappucino with whipped cream.
Gen-Z seem to be a bit body smarter.
You're at 4 funny, but I hope it is true. I don't like tats on anyone, but it is especially sad on women. I will note that I've noticed that women around 21 are sporting less tattoos than many I see in public that are a bit older. At the restaurants My wife and I go to, there seems to be a correlation between tattoos and lack of a wedding ring.
This does not mean that they lack in male attention, but they are considered entertainment only, and the men who use them for entertainment are generally not good
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Gen-Z seem to be a bit body smarter.
Visiting Spain & Portugal a lot lately.
Pretty much everyone of all ages - including cops - is wearing ink.
I, with my virgin skin, was definitely in a very small minority.
Re: Wow! (Score:2)
Prison tattoos use different techniques and inks than commercial tattoos. This study may not apply to those.
study confirms expectations (Score:5, Insightful)
It's good that there is scientific proof, but seriously, "stuff you put into your body doesn't just sit there" is the expected outcome, isn't it?
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It's good that there is scientific proof, but seriously, "stuff you put into your body doesn't just sit there" is the expected outcome, isn't it?
Given the rather life-long permanent effects of those tattoos and the proven fact that it is a royal BITCH to try and remove them, I’d say it’s a pretty damn strong assumption among the inked and non-inked that some things DO appear to just sit there.
Sell to to me another way.
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it is a royal BITCH to try and remove them
It's worth noting that the way you remove them is by making them stop just sitting there, to the degree they do. The various approaches ultimately just try to break the ink up into smaller pieces that can be absorbed into the bloodstream and carried throughout the body... hopefully to get filtered out by the kidneys and liver and then excreted, but who knows? It seems likely to me that tattoo removal may create exactly the same effects as tattoo application, but moreso.
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Do tattoos fade over time?
Sure, 'most' of the ink 'just sits there' 'most of the time'.
But certainly not all, and all the time.
If those molecules end up getting transported around our bodies and into different organs, it's not a stretch they may have an unexpected impact on different biological systems.
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Tattoo ink get encysted by immune cells. Over time these cells die, and as the dead cell breaks down, new cells come along and gobble up the ink to trap it in place. This is why fine details tend to blur out over time. The ink doesn't exactly stay put, and particles that are small enough do get carried away in the lymph system, contributing to fading.
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That's actually a good question. Inks have changed somewhat over the past 5,000 years, and there's no particular reason to think that tattoo inks have been equally mobile across this timeframe.
But now we come to a deeper point. Basically, tattoos (as I've always understand it) are surgically-engineered scars, with the scar tissue supposedly locking the ink in place. It's quite probable that my understanding is wrong - this isn't exactly an area I've really looked into in any depth, so the probability of me
Are there different kinds of inks? (Score:3)
Did they test with multiple kinds of dyes? Do Maori (and other polynesians) that might have every part of their body painted use different kinds of inks than in the west?
Re: Are there different kinds of inks? (Score:2)
in assuming they tested with standard approved inks. But what other parts of the world use may have a different outcome. It's not unusual to have 3rd worlds inks contain heavy metals. Those are a bad idea to begin with, never mind the impact on your flue shot.
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Did they test with multiple kinds of dyes? Do Maori (and other polynesians) that might have every part of their body painted use different kinds of inks than in the west?
Maoris's are susceptible to diabetes. I only mention that because I had a friend who developed an allergic reaction to a tattoo (the gold color in it specifically) and soon after came down with insulin dependent diabetes.
That's pure speculation at this point, the standard reason is that they eat the same food we do now.
Human validation with history? (Score:2)
Tattoos have been around for a very long time. A lot longer than clickbait has.
Can we confirm that tattoos have had a measurable negative impact on human immunity that shows itself in longevity statistics, while also proving it was in fact the tattoo that was the cause?
Yes, I’m well aware that lifestyle choices of those sporting ink is a factor here. As well as ink technology. Now let’s account for those factors and prove the study. On the surface this should be rather easy to validate. Heal
Re: Human validation with history? (Score:2)
what problems do you experience with the covid vaccine?
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As far as trying to drag this argument into the COVID vaccines, that sounds like a horrific weak-ass excuse to dismiss the problems that have risen from those particular emergency-authorized solutions.
What problems? You mean the ones that are way less risky than unvaccinated exposure? Whatever, antivaxxer.
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As far as trying to drag this argument into the COVID vaccines, that sounds like a horrific weak-ass excuse to dismiss the problems that have risen from those particular emergency-authorized solutions.
What problems? You mean the ones that are way less risky than unvaccinated exposure? Whatever, antivaxxer.
Risk, is not the topic that will earn you a smile from a grieving mother of a perfectly healthy child who's now dead. Let's stop pretending we can easily explain every completely unexpected death in recent times when almost all of them have one thing in common.
Anyone who understands vaccines and the human body will understand there will be those who suffer from side effects. That's not the problem here, and certainly doesn't make me "anti" vax. I'm more questioning why vaccine companies were not forced t
Re: Human validation with history? (Score:2)
"Risk, is not the topic that will earn you a smile from a grieving mother of a perfectly healthy child who's now dead."
Coddling idiots only drags the rest of us down to their level.
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As usual with self-inflicted problems.
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As usual with self-inflicted problems.
AFAICT, people with ink generally have more kids than those who don't.
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there are many types of tattoo inks with various bases and a multitude of pigment chemicals. To make blanket statements about " a tattoo" causing a particular list of problems is as silly as saying "food coloring causes stomach cancer" without specifying which one.
You appear to be making a statement that sounds like "Until every combination of tattoo inks is proven to cause problems, none do." I'm sure you aren't saying that, right?
What this study has said is that the ink migrates within the body to lymph nodes causes inflammation, and oddly enough, causes different reactions to different vaccines. Also an induction of apoptosis in cells, including macrophages. The macrophages see the ink as an infection, and do what macrophages do.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.10 [pnas.org]
Maybe don't inject medicine through tattoos? (Score:2)
Well, simple solution to that. Most people with tattoos aren't 100% covered.
Who funded study? (Score:2)
Dog today, child, tommorow (Score:2)
No results for J&J vaccine? (Score:2)
I swear there must be a conspiracy to cover up the success of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Why would you test two COVID MRNA vaccines and a flu vaccine, but not an adenovirus COVID vaccine? Now we don't know if the difference is COVID vs flu or MRNA vs adenovirus, because you decided to conflate variables.
My guess is J&J COVID vaccine probably performs more like a flu vaccine re: tattoos. The immune pathways for developing immunity are very similar between the two, but completely different in MRNA
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The LORD also recommended that you not sow a field with two different crops or wear a garment made of two different cloths. He's a FUNNY God.
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He is.
But, in His defense, sowing two different crops in the same field usually doesn't end well, and clothing made from two different materials can cause complications (think: wool and cotton? And then the cotton shrinks in the dryer...possibly something like that).
The current (possibly original fannon) thinking behind bacon & friends being prohibited is that the pig was the sacred animal of Baal, and like bell-bottom jeans in the 70s, you couldn't get just plain pork / straight jeans (eating food sacr
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sowing two different crops in the same field usually doesn't end well
But sowing three crops turned out to be a very effective and productive form of pre-industrial agriculture.
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I do agree the Nicene Creed is truly unique. It took some serious fucking mental gymnastics to make the math of the bible not look stupid.
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Fucking disgusting, dude. Fucking disgusting.
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However, when I was at university
Not bad work for a janitor- congrats.
tattoos were a mating call.
Why am I unsurprised that you were preying on the students?
So yes most men hate tattoos but context is critical.
The more important context, is that's simply an outright falsehood.
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The dumb fuck also told us not to eat shellfish. I don't know about you, but I fucking love clams.
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Which Old Testament laws do I follow and which do I ignore? The Old Testament law was given to the ancient nation of Israel, not to Christians. So if the law isn't repeated in the New Testament, then it's probably not applicable to anyone living outside of Israel.
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Well, if we're going to break out the bible verses in order to live by, let's go ahead and examine the one that all the evangelicals love to forget: that Jesus will know his followers by their ACTIONS instead of their words. Matthew 7:15-20 says "you will know them by their fruits" [biblegateway.com] and right now there's a whole lot of bible-thumping so-called Christians that would sooner advocate for the crucifixion of a brown Palestinian jew telling people to love their neighbors, accept the strangers and poor, feed the h
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I don't think that is it. I think he's just naturally stupid.
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You mean the bimbo from Fox news versus a former state prosecutor well known in the state she served in for putting away child molesters?
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Hell, who am I to let facts get in the way?
You are apparently utilizing an incredibly wide and imprecise definition of "facts." And I also don't know why you are referring to some fictional debate between this proven idiot and the former VP, but you do you.
Consider the following facts:
Kamala Harris holds a doctorate degree in law, passed the Bar exam in California, and was a successful prosecutor who racked up convictions against multiple felons including child molestation and trafficking. She was elected to several posts in California including w
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Perhaps you should just grow up.
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He is grounded in faith in white supremacy, which does indeed go back centuries, but no one should be defending it.
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Except nobody thought getting inked was dangerous.
It's a bit of a stretch to say that "nobody" thought that.
I've personally always thought "How can it possibly be safe to inject organic and inorganic pigments into the dermis?"
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None of its suggested avenues of investigation can lead you to demonstrate that the pigment moves from the skin to lymph nodes, or vaccine response.
It could be used to demonstrate damage along the way, but there's more to the story than that, isn't there?
Why did an innocent mouse have to die? Because we have no functioning analogue for this kind of evaluation, and no amount of listing separate and unconnectable ones is going to c
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Accounts (like the GP) that merely Ctrl-C,V bot posts should be modded/flagged/banned the same as bots.
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Tattoos stopped being cool long ago. Old conservatives get them now.
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Their social acceptance continues to go up.
These days it's common to see people in board rooms with sleeves.
Hell, my fucking CEO has an upper sleeve.
As more zoomers come of age, it's looking like they're going to surpass even millennials.
I do love my mental image of someone with a 600k uid talking about things stopping being cool "long ago" and "old conservatives".
"OK,
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You're repeating my point though, that's what I said. Social acceptance has gone up, they're not cool because every boring nobody has one. I don't even think they hire cops without tattoos anymore. I'm not against tattoos, I just don't think having someone doodle on your skin is some deep emotional expression of something. Pretty much everyone I know with one got them when they were dumb kids with disposable income.
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I completely misread you.
My bad.
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Sit at home, with home invasions on the rise?!
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Because they're not allowed to use people. Even ones they don't like.
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Why isn't everyone else?
Empathy? (Score:2)
Ugh, that's a soft science. We're doing hard science, which is the only real science.
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Re: everything is dangerous (Score:2, Funny)
How come the last time I got professional help I complained how inflation was psychological and then the therapist raised his rates, which I took to be a passive-aggressive way of telling me to kill myself?