How the Dollar-Store Industry Overcharges Cash-Strapped Customers While Promising Low Prices (theguardian.com) 108
Dollar General and Family Dollar stores have collectively failed more than 6,400 government price-accuracy inspections since January 2022, charging customers more at checkout than the prices displayed on shelves for everything from frozen pizzas to puppy food, according to an investigation by the Guardian. The review examined records from 45 states and more than 140 counties and cities. Dollar General stores failed over 4,300 inspections across 23 states, and Family Dollar failed more than 2,100 in 20 states. Error rates at the worst-performing locations reached staggering levels -- 76% at a Dollar General in Hamilton, Ohio and 68% at a Family Dollar in Bound Brook, New Jersey. A Family Dollar in Provo, Utah failed 28 consecutive inspections.
Industry watchers, employees and lawsuits attribute the discrepancies to minimal staffing. Registers update automatically when prices change, but shelf labels require manual replacement, and workers often lack the time. State attorneys general have pursued settlements -- Arizona reached a $600,000 deal with Family Dollar in May, Colorado settled with Dollar General for $400,000 in October and Ohio secured $1 million from Dollar General after finding error rates as high as 88%. Both companies declined interview requests but said they remain committed to pricing accuracy.
Industry watchers, employees and lawsuits attribute the discrepancies to minimal staffing. Registers update automatically when prices change, but shelf labels require manual replacement, and workers often lack the time. State attorneys general have pursued settlements -- Arizona reached a $600,000 deal with Family Dollar in May, Colorado settled with Dollar General for $400,000 in October and Ohio secured $1 million from Dollar General after finding error rates as high as 88%. Both companies declined interview requests but said they remain committed to pricing accuracy.
Who Needs Price Tags (Score:2)
I thought everything was a dollar!
Dollar General is not a Dollar Store (Score:3)
Dollar General is more of a "General Store" - that is, it includes a variety mix of things from hardware to groceries to OTC drug store stuff and housewares. It's _everywhere_ in rural America.
It does not promise a $1 price for everything, and the headline is misleading.
Dollar Tree and Family Dollar have operated on the "single price" model, though I'm not vouching for their current operations.
Re:Dollar General is not a Dollar Store (Score:5, Insightful)
Whoop-de-f-k.
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They are not mistakes. They are part of the (unethical, immoral, and illegal) business model. When one runs a shop, one is legally (and ethically) obligated to have enough employees to ALWAYS have correct prices on the shelves.
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That was so...2019. None of the "dollar stores" sell everything for a dollar any more.
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Electronic Shelf Tags are essential (Score:3)
I thought everything was a dollar!
Right... I worked for The Beer Store, the brewer-owned private company which distributes beer across the Province of Ontario. Our Premier (roughly equivalent to a State Governor) made a campaign promise of "A buck a beer!".
So, a new empty can cost roughly $0.20 at the time. The law in Ontario is that shelf prices include tax and deposit. So, the can is $0.30 - twenty cents for the can itself, plus another dime for the deposit to make sure the used can comes back for recycling.
Now, on top of that, you have t
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I love it the Canada still uses the administrative division of the "riding", which noun has pretty much disappeared outside Yorkshire with it's North, East and West Ridings.
Ride on!
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I thought everything was a dollar!
Isn't the premise of a dollar store (or pound store) that everything is a single price...
Otherwise it's just a cut price store and frankly, the Germans have shown us with their cut price supermarkets that they key to running a successful one is hyper organisation. Everything runs like clockwork, no confusion, Everything goes into it's assigned slot. Money is saved by reducing overall work (I.E. the staff just put boxes on the shelves and let customer take the products out themselves), reducing costs and
Re: Who Needs Price Tags (Score:2)
Running a disorganised cut price shop seems counter-intuitive as you'll just drive customers away.
And they'll go where? The other "disorganized cut price shop" two blocks over? Until the economy (or at least their personal finances) the average dollar store shopper shops there out of necessity, not choice. If they could go somewhere else they would.
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Running a disorganised cut price shop seems counter-intuitive as you'll just drive customers away.
And they'll go where? The other "disorganized cut price shop" two blocks over? Until the economy (or at least their personal finances) the average dollar store shopper shops there out of necessity, not choice. If they could go somewhere else they would.
Mentioned two already, Aldi and Lidl.
There's a reason Aldi and Lidl are growing so fast in so many countries.
They've been particularly successful in penetrating countries that have traditionally suffered from a lack of competition, like Australia.
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hows that again? AC
Lack of regulation - Nope they are getting fined because there are regulations.
Lack of enforcement - Nope they got audited thousands of times and fined!
Now you could argue they were not fined enough, I guess but clearly there is a regulation and clearly the regulators are checking up!
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That will be solved when e-ink shelf labels finally reach them. It's a sizeable investment, so this make take some time to reach these low-cost stores.
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Re:So pay the government their cut and it is (Score:4, Insightful)
It is far fetched because multiple persons can and will look at the same price at the same time.
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What they can do is to change the price dynamically depending on external factors e.g. it's hot outside, let's increase the price of ice cream for the next 2 hours.
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>My issue with e-ink price tags is that they make it possible for stores to set different prices for different customers
For retail stores like Dollar General, this is easy enough to legislate against: Require that the price change no more often than once every day and that the store charge the lowest price listed in the last 3 hours at the checkout.
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And be confronted with the new mantra, "OK. But do you want it? It rings up at..."
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Here in Oz when that happens, you can have one at the shelf price.
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My issue with e-ink price tags is that they make it possible for stores to set different prices for different customers. Numerous stores already track you via your phone's Bluetooth signal.
What happens with people like me who only have Bluetooth, WiFi, and Data enabled when we're actively using them?
I suppose it's the same thing as with "loyalty" cards - privacy is screwed if you do use them, wallet gets screwed if you don't.
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That's easy to prevent: just turn your Bluetooth off when you're not using it and make sure it's off before going into any store that you suspect is using it to track you. Personally, I can't remember the last time I've had it turned on. Of course, I can't use those fancy wireless earbuds (or any other kind) because they don't fit my ears.
Re:So pay the government their cut and it is (Score:5, Informative)
Nope they are getting fined because there are regulations.
Lack of enforcement - Nope they got audited thousands of times and fined!
Now you could argue they were not fined enough, I guess but clearly there is a regulation and clearly the regulators are checking up!
Their fines amount to a quarterly rounding error. https://www.businesswire.com/n... [businesswire.com]
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Their fines amount to a quarterly rounding error.
so was my last speeding ticket.
The fines should be set high enough to so that the activity that results in them isn't more profitable than doing whatever the law says is the right thing. 400k is probably enough that it would have been better for the company to have given existing part time works a handful of additional hours a week to update price labels across the state.
Fines are not suppose to be excessively punitive or ruinous. If someone was really behaving outrageously or with real criminal intent we
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Nope they are getting fined because there are regulations.
Lack of enforcement - Nope they got audited thousands of times and fined!
Now you could argue they were not fined enough, I guess but clearly there is a regulation and clearly the regulators are checking up!
Their fines amount to a quarterly rounding error. https://www.businesswire.com/n... [businesswire.com]
These fines turn into the cost of doing business if you’re allowed to simply pay those instead of any actual punishment. Forever.
So no they're not getting regulated or fined (Score:2)
I know of companies that literally have a classification system where they figure out which laws they can break. You will be shocked to find that the laws that affect rich people are generally in the list of ones they can't br
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Most individuals work for government to enrich themselves at everyone else's expense.
The Biden admin was so busy trying to get Trump they forgot to govern for the benefit of the citizens they represent. Politics vs leadership.
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The fines are so small that it's no deterrent.
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the understaffing is riddiculous. (Score:4, Insightful)
I live 'out in the county', that is dollar store country.
The typical Dollar General is a 60k foot store - sometimes bigger, and there are NEVER more than two employees working. Which means one person on the register and one other person to do any re-shelving, stock keeping, pricing, etc.
No way they are getting all that done.
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>The nearby Wal-Mart can't stay open 24-hours because they can't get enough people to work the night shift.
My nearby wally-world isn't open 24 hours either, but it wouldn't make economic sense for them to be open 24/7 even if they did have staffing. There are simply not enough customers during the hours they are closed. There is a 24-hour wally-world within a 30 minute drive if you REALLY need something, and plenty of 24-hour overpriced convenience stores nearby (I assume they are open 24/7 for brandin
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The other fundamental axiom of business is accounts receivable must exceed accounts payable. You can offer $25/hour to your employees but if you only bring in $100/hour in sales during open hours, the business will fail. You can raise prices to compensate, but who will pay $250 for two scrambled eggs and toast?
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The other fundamental axiom of business is accounts receivable must exceed accounts payable. You can offer $25/hour to your employees but if you only bring in $100/hour in sales during open hours, the business will fail. You can raise prices to compensate, but who will pay $250 for two scrambled eggs and toast?
Don't forget to factor in grants the a business gets for whatever including building the store. Lots of industries are affected by taxes (including negative and sometimes, if below zero, refundable tax credits) and grants. Big bushiness have a whole crew that do such as accountants, lobbyists, lawyers, paid industry seminars for the judges.
Re: Everywhere (Score:3)
Oh yeah, in most places around the world they don't have franchise fees funneling profits up to the executives and share holders.
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>everything used to be a dollar thats where their name came from now its price-gouge general and family-ripoff
Translation: They used to sell things that costs a lot less than a dollar elsewhere.
It's OK for corparations to lie ... (Score:3)
"Both companies ... said they remain committed to pricing accuracy."
Why do they even bother issuing obviously false statements like that?
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Re:It's OK for corparations to lie ... (Score:4, Insightful)
You read the shelf statement; the register has been updated to the correct statement: "we'll continue to scam every cent we can from our customers".
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It's intentional mispricing. (Score:5, Insightful)
If they cared, they could force price compliance automatically using e-paper tags. The fact they don't deploy modern solutions to a known issue, means they don't want to solve it. The real solution for consumers, you need to pay attention to what price shows up when a product is scanned. That sounds obvious, but almost no one pays attention.
They'll gladly pay $600k, to steal millions, and no government or regulatory board is ever going to make a fine high enough to be a deterrent. Imagine hitting Dollar X with a $250 million fine, plus, 10-years of independent oversight through a fully isolated third-party monitor. That's a deterrent, $600k is the government giving the wink, "awful, you shouldn't have done this, I hope a cheque doesn't fall out of your coat as you leave *wink *wink".
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They will if the inspectors come every week until the practice stops.
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And we all know that won't happen.
The thing with fines is that all the people ACTIVELY involved have interests that don't align with the public and taxpayers.
The shops are ok with fines if they happen rarely and in manageable amounts. Then they can just factor them in as costs of doing business.
The inspectors need occasional fines to justify their existance. So, counter-intuitively, they have absolutely no interest in the businesses they inspect to actually be compliant. Just compliant enough that the non-c
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Do you think they care about $600k?
To some extent, probably, and I'm guessing they'll find a way to pass it along to their customers, after writing the fine off on their taxes. Rich people and corporations care about every penny. For example: Elon Musk calls for abolition of European Union after X fined $140 million [cnbc.com] -- which is literally pocket change for him.
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You misunderstand wealth.
Most wealth of the filthy rich is in assets. Musk OWNS stuff that is worth X billions. That doesn't mean he as 140 mio. in cash sitting in his bottom drawer.
Moreoever, much of the spending the filthy rich do is done on debt. They put up their wealth as a collateral and buy stuff with other people's (the banks) money. There's some tax trickery with this the exact details I forgot about.
So yes, coughing up $140 mio. is at least a nuissance, even if on paper it's a rounding error.
The a
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In the end, I think the whole issue is being overblown to benefit whoever needed a byline. It's clearly not something that bothers customers enough to change their habits, so the stores won't bother to change theirs. It's not something fraudulent, like the headline suggests, it's just a banal shelf-tag issue.
It would have been b
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Anyhow, as I see it fraud requires the intent to deceive, not the potential for a deceptive outcome of other activitie
Re: It's intentional mispricing. (Score:2)
They are understaffing on purpose not only despite the requirements, but because of their desire to not meet them.
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Years ago I was with my parents in a Dollar Store. We weren't looking for anything in particular, just seeing what's there. We went through the condiment aisle and they had these tiny bottles of ketchup and mustard from name brand companies.
My dad wondered about why they would do this and I told him to think of it this way. You're on vacation or a business trip or whatever. You need ketchup or mustard, but you don't want to buy an e
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If they cared, they could force price compliance automatically using e-paper tags. The fact they don't deploy modern solutions to a known issue, means they don't want to solve it.
These automated tags are about $15-$20 each. If you buy a million you can probably get them for $10, but still. Oh yes, and their stated lifetime is 5 years. And you STILL need an employee to walk around updating because it's done via NFC.
In many cases, there are modern tech solutions, but pen-and-paper is still cheaper, easier and more reliable.
It's not necessarily malice. What I mean is: They are certainly malicious, but maybe not in this.
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Grandparent: A/C#1 wrote: "A while ago, I went to Dollar General with a friend -- we saw labels on Hershey's Chocolate Syrup peeling off, below it was a similar label in Chinese! I wonder about safety standards and where they're getting product from to resell."
Parent: A/C#2 replied "What standard is questionable? Do you need some kind of special snowflake adhesive on your price tags?"
I see what A/C#1 is getting at: If a store isn't paying attention to its Hershey's Syrup sourcing and packaging-quality, wh
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I realise that I'm talking from a UK perspective not the US, but here, if a store sells it to the general public, the store is primarily liable for it. If it's not fit for sale, the holding company is liable for both the value of the goods and consequential losses. So if that one pound-dollar-euro power lead burns down the house, killing one and putting a couple of other people into long therm 24-7 nursing care, the store (chain) is liable for the quarter million pound-dollar-euro house plus maybe 20 or 30
Most of the products are actually over priced (Score:2)
This is the US, the land of less is more, and it definitely applies to the greater part of the stuff at the `dollar` stores. Many of the products are just smaller and effectively more expensive or worse versions of what you can buy at Walmart at a better overall value. For example, at the dollar store you'll pay $1.25 for a single ball point pen and at Walmart it will be 5 of the same basic pen for $5. People don't really do math or shop around as they think that they can get what they need at the dollar
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Some good reasons to buy single items vs. quantity:
1) You can't afford to buy in quantity, meaning the choice is to buy single items or go without.
2) You only need one in the foreseeable future. For example, most people don't buy more than one Christmas tree.
3) The cost to store the items you aren't using immediately is too much. Sure, I may buy 10 frozen chickens in the next year, but if I buy them all at once, I'll need a spare freezer to store them in, and a place to put the freezer.
I'm sure there are
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- Large stores are usually fewer in number, farther away, and not easily reached by public transit. The highest prices are often in poor neighborhoods where people can't afford to drive to the cheaper store.
- How would you carry that 10-frozen-chicken package if you don't have a car?
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Never know what I'm suppose to be charged anyway (Score:4, Informative)
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so you're the type of people who vote for the people who say government sucks, regulations are bad and all that bootstrap shit and now you're gonna bitch that the state can only do so much for people who get screwed by the environment you helped create and you gutted the systems that are supposed to be a check on this type of thing?
here in America we have a phrase for that: get fucked. republicans can shut their little boot licking mouths if they feel this isn't going far enough. we know, we've been telli
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>Shall we ask what % of those settlement ended up in, say, the actual hands of poor customers?
Assuming the fine went into the state's general revenue fund, your answer is approximately "the number of poor customers that live in that state divided by the state's population."
If the fines went somewhere else, like "to fund law enforcement," then the answer is much more complicated. You'll have to figure out how much money the lawmakers did NOT allocate to law enforcement knowing that law enforcement would
They were never "Dollar Stores" (Score:3)
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>Sunglasses that you just want to block the sun and don't care what they look like? $1.25 last time I was there.
Beware of cheap sunglasses (and some not-so-cheap ones too):
Make sure they actually block the UV rays and aren't just a neutral-density filter for visible light without offering any UV protection. Those actually harm the eyes because it deceives your pupils into not constricting like they would without sunglasses.
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>These stores prey on people too stupid to budget
The stores would say they provide a service for those who can't afford to buy larger sizes.
Like predatory lending, which makes a similar "we provide a service to ..." claim, "prey on" and "provide a service to" can be the same thing depending on who is talking and what side of their mouth they are talking out of (bitter sarcasm intended).
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Maybe we should rename them "Wallet Stores" as they take your entire wallet like Jane Jetson did.
Michigan (USA) has a "customer bounty" on pricing (Score:4, Informative)
If a customer catches you cheating, you have to pay the difference plus a penalty of 10x the difference (minimum $1, maximum $5). It's been this way since the 1970s.
Michigan's pricing laws [michigan.gov]. More info, including government enforcement examples [freep.com].
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Now THAT is a rare example of an actually smart law.
No government funds needed to enforce the policy, while the stores have an incentive to post the right prices. Why the max $5 though?
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If a customer catches you cheating, you have to pay the difference plus a penalty of 10x the difference (minimum $1, maximum $5). It's been this way since the 1970s.
Michigan's pricing laws [michigan.gov]. More info, including government enforcement examples [freep.com].
It is time for an inflation adjustment to such a law. For one this /. article talks about a retail store that is the lowest dollar amount per item. When is the last time you only got overcharged the amount was just fifty (50) cents or under? Seeing that law covers all types of retail including furniture and in this case dollar store retail. I say to catch up to the bulk of inflation since that law has not caught up and been adjusted with inflation since the 1970s the minimum penalty should be $5 and maximum
I'd buy that for a dollar (Score:2)
Why don't they just print a rack-end price or a price list for an entire section of the shelving every 20 feet or so ?
They could update the prices more quickly then. Or is there a requirement that the price label be immediately adjacent to the item ?
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>Or is there a requirement that the price label be immediately adjacent to the item ?
I don't know about a legal requirement, but there is a customer expectation.
I for one will pass on an item if I can't quickly find its price. If the store generally makes it hard to find a price for a given item ("go to the end of the rack, search for item...") then I'll find someplace else to shop.
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Don't shop dollar stores (Score:2)
Here are some reasons:
1. Lower quality goods.
2. Smaller quantities. (Your per-unit costs will be higher, and the unit size will be smaller then what you will find at a grocer, or general goods stor, and there will be less units in the package)
3. Their stores are messy. Merchandise strewn about on the floors instead of in bins or on shelves. Maybe their customer base doesn't care and the lack of staffing means that its an intractable task.
4. Sometimes they are the only store in a rural area, or the only stor
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could it be intentionally like that? (Score:1)
Registers update automatically when prices change, but shelf labels require manual replacement, and workers often lack the time.
maybe this is their business model?
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They make wireless e-paper price tags that can solve this issue.
but do they want to solve the problem?
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They make wireless e-paper price tags that can solve this issue.
but do they want to solve the problem?
No. In a Kohl's store there are for years on end several signs that don't work for years on end (different signs, during different visits in the parts of the store that one happens to be in, it probably happens elsewhere in the store as well seeing it has been an ongoing numinous years issue). A few of them just are blank due to maybe battery issues although of the bulk of signs that have issues most of them that do not display prices and just say "ready to connect" with no price on them. Probably a few doz
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Same for me at Walmart (Score:2)
They are very expensive stores (Score:2)
Had to convince my wife... (Score:1)
Years ago, she wanted to go to a dollar store for school supplies. $1 for generic glue or $0.19 for Elmer's glue at Wal-Mart or any other big box store. Nothing new... my kids have been out of school for a while... let alone grade school when they needed such supplies.
I'll Buy That for a Dollar (Score:2)
Inability to do mental arithmetic (Score:2)
Since "deeply discounted" does not necessarily mean a price tag of 1.00 pound-dollar-euro (or 2000 TzSh or 10000 Won) and such stores routinely post non-simple prices (integers, half integers, etc), there is a sub-story here : an appalling (or hilarious) proportion of people who cannot do simple mental arithmetic like adding up the purchases in their basket as they go round the shop.
I should be appalled, but seeing the number of morons on X or YT (and to a lesser extent here ; lesser, but not zero) who thin