US Could Ask Foreign Tourists For Five-Year Social Media History Before Entry (bbc.com) 270
Tourists from dozens of countries including the UK could be asked to provide a five-year social media history as a condition of entry to the United States, under a new proposal unveiled by American officials. From a report: The new condition would affect people from dozens of countries who are eligible to visit the US for 90 days without a visa, as long as they have filled out an Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) form. Since returning to the White House in January, President Donald Trump has moved to toughen US borders more generally - citing national security as a reason.
Analysts say the new plan could pose an obstacle to potential visitors, or harm their digital rights. Asked whether the proposal could lead to a steep drop-off in tourism to the US, Trump said he was not concerned. "No. We're doing so well," the president said on Wednesday. "We just want people to come over here, and safe. We want safety. We want security. We want to make sure we're not letting the wrong people come enter our country."
Analysts say the new plan could pose an obstacle to potential visitors, or harm their digital rights. Asked whether the proposal could lead to a steep drop-off in tourism to the US, Trump said he was not concerned. "No. We're doing so well," the president said on Wednesday. "We just want people to come over here, and safe. We want safety. We want security. We want to make sure we're not letting the wrong people come enter our country."
Ihre Papiere (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Ihre Papiere (Score:5, Insightful)
There's been no reason to visit the trumpistan or even board a trumpistani airline for 20 years now, ever since they instituted that ass-fingering service, TSA, and the Homelander Department that runs it.
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I was unlucky once to buy a roundtrip flight on a trumpistani airline and participate in the trumpistani airport "security" theater, in airports not on trumpistani territory. What is different from a person flying in/out the same airports not using an airline of an idiocracy obsessed with "terrorists"?
I was "preselected" for a "random check" that involved a trumpistani thug who appeared not to be there in an official capacity and nevertheless ransacked my luggage and left it in a messy pile that I had to re
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* Only applicable to people darker than a latte or from one of those gay woke countries.
Re:Ihre Papiere (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, let's just drop all pretense. The entirety of the Republican Party at this point is gleefully walking to that statement.
Uh, "walking". Ok.
Damn, I misread that word, and reckoned that, indeed, the Republican Party was gleefully rubbing one out to that statement.
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"Refugee papers" OMG I'm dying here...
Re:Ihre Papiere (Score:5, Insightful)
The fake-dems letting in all of these people with refugee papers is just the other side of the coin
The challenge is this: If someone presents themselves at a nation's border and declares themselves a refugee from persecution that nation has two options -
1) Let them in, evaluate their situation and then based on that allow them to stay or tell them they have to go back - Which may lead thousands and thousands of economic migrants to declare themselves as "refugees" leading to years-long waits for a review.
2) Say "I don't care what's going to happen to you, go away" - Which may lead to legitimate refugees and their families being tortured and killed.
There is no easy solution and to simply write "fake-dems letting in all of these people with refugee papers" is grossly simplistic to the point of it being childish.
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And both solutions above will also lead to vast numbers deciding it is best to just take their chances and enter anyway. Which then costs you an absolute fortune to look for them.
There are two other options: regime change, and bribery of the existing regime not to make conditions so bad as to cause refugees. Neither of those are great either, but they can be cheaper.
Re:Ihre Papiere (Score:5, Insightful)
The US is responsible for most of the regimes south of Mexico existing in the first place. US history is full of meddling in other countries' politics to our financial advantage. Including banana republics earlier on, but later the CIA was more or less founded to overthrow governments. It's not the stated purpose, but it's what happens all the same. Supposedly we are for democracy, but if it hurts a fruit company, we're getting rid of democratically elected leaders and installing a dictator.
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“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benef
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Damn. Rollin' in his grave. It's been a while since I looked him up, and just reading a summary of his career is a bit jaw-dropping.
"Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940) was an American major general in the United States Marine Corps, writer, anti-war activist, and whistleblower. During his 34-year military career, he fought in the Philippine–American War, the Boxer Rebellion, the Mexican Revolution, World War I, and the Banana Wars. At the time of his death, Butler was the
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If only the US had some sort of aid program designed to try to make conditions more favourable in the sort of countries that economic migrants tend to flee from. Maybe the US could call it "US Aid" or something, and give it a decent budget rather than gutting it to save $23 per American.
But the main issue is that the proper solution is obviously to have a formal, controlled, actually viable work visa system for economic migrants, distinct from asylum. The US economy is immensely boosted by millions of (gen
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The cuts to USAID are projected to cause 14 million extra deaths - a large minority of those children - by 2030. And USAID engendered massive goodwill among its recipients
But no, by all means kill a couple million people per year and worsen living conditions (creating more migration) in order to save $23 per person, that's clearly Very Smart(TM).
And I don't know how to inform you of this, but the year is now 2025 and the Cold War and the politics therein ended nearly four deca
Re:Ihre Papiere (Score:5, Informative)
1) Let them in, evaluate their situation and then based on that allow them to stay or tell them they have to go back - Which may lead thousands and thousands of economic migrants to declare themselves as "refugees" leading to years-long waits for a review.
The reason this is years long is not just the number but our immigration courts have been vastly understaffed and overloaded for years and years now, mainly because we've had no immigration reform legislation for like 40-ish years, every attempt like the Gang-of-8 bill or the Lankford bill gets shelved for....reasons. It's always a huge problem and priority but for some reason when it comes time to vote those same folks don't want to act.
One of the things the Lankford Bill was going to do was fund more judges and courts and expedite the process and put more restrictions on economic migrants and move them through the system faster.
Re: Ihre Papiere (Score:3)
"It's always a huge problem and priority but for some reason when it comes time to vote those same folks don't want to act."
Because if they (as in Congress) acted and put the reforms to work, they would have to campaign on something else.
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Yup and that's why the last 2 comprehensive immigration reform bills were killed by the GOP, they need the issue. Trump said it explicitly when he told Republican Senators to kill the Lankford Bill, a bipartisan agreement, he needed it to campaign on.
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It's almost like they don't actually consider immigration a pressing emergency and it's a performative measure to continue stoking the culture war as it's their only option to cling onto political power because their entire party has been stripped bare of any principles, values, reason and logic by their embrace of a personality cult. Almost exactly like that.
Third option, but it's not pretty (Score:2)
The challenge is this: If someone presents themselves at a nation's border and declares themselves a refugee from persecution that nation has two options -
1) Let them in, evaluate their situation and then based on that allow them to stay or tell them they have to go back - Which may lead thousands and thousands of economic migrants to declare themselves as "refugees" leading to years-long waits for a review.
2) Say "I don't care what's going to happen to you, go away" - Which may lead to legitimate refugees and their families being tortured and killed.
The third option can be about as bad, possibly worse:
Imprison them for months or years while you process their applications.
You can do this with "humane POW-style" imprisonment where they are comfortable but not free to leave, "typical relatively-humane criminal-prison style" accommodations that re decidedly uncomfortable but decidedly better than back home if they are truly non-economic refugees, or "you think it's bad at home, try this on for size and when you get sick of it, beg us to send you back home"
Re:Third option, but it's not pretty (Score:5, Insightful)
See, I think where a lot of us differ here is, It's not the USA's problem when a foreign government does to it's own citizens.
You may lack empathy - And you're not alone - Millions of other Americans have no empathy either until they themselves are personally affected.
However, the majority of Americans *do* have empathy and the notions of "sending someone back" to be imprisoned, tortured for years or killed just because they had the audacity to exercise freedom of speech or to have children gang raped and then hacked apart by machete because they are the wrong ethnic group is unacceptable to them and they feel America is large enough and wealthy enough to absorb these people into their nation.
My nation of Canada felt that way when we started letting in Syrian refugees in 2015 and in the last decade over 100,000 have settled in Canada and begun contributing to the nation.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2... [un.org]
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I resent dumb people like you. Whether you are a genuine MAGA idiot, and African troll paid by Russia or a Russian troll paid by the same.
“Country” (Score:2, Flamebait)
"We want to make sure we're not letting the wrong people come enter our country."
We want to make sure we're not letting the wrong people come enter our shithole country.
There FTFY.
Re:“Country” (Score:5, Informative)
Asked whether the proposal could lead to a steep drop-off in tourism to the US, Trump said he was not concerned. "No. We're doing so well," the president said on Wednesday.
Keep in mind that statement is complete and utter crap. That's for the Fox News / Breitbart / Newsmax crowd who earnestly believe that (insert_EU_city) is a burning sharia law hellscape filled with "no-go zones" that police are terrified to enter.
Tourism is doing pretty darn terrible according to those sinister libs at, checks source, Fortune
Exclusive: U.S. businesses are getting throttled by the drop in tourism from Canada: ‘I can count the number of Canadian visitors on one hand’ [fortune.com]
Or those dirty commies at, checks source, Forbes
U.S. Tourism Will Lose Up To $29 Billion As Visitors Plummet Amid Trump Policies [forbes.com]
Not that it isn't intentional in some ways.
Re:“Country” (Score:5, Informative)
This. Trump has his head up his ass regarding many things, but regarding this statement about tourism in particular.
Tourism has in fact dropped off significantly from the rest of the world since he took office, especially from Canada. And it's not the tariffs or the currency exchange-rate, or even the unwelcome (and unwelcoming) fees and secondary-inspections at the border for some visitors. It's the "51st-state" rhetoric and the disrespect for Canada's sovereignty.
And it's not just tourism. There are widespread boycotts in Canada against goods made in the USA. Some clever US companies have, with limited success, engaged in "maple-washing" -- labeling their products to make them appear to be sourced in Canada. US liquor is absent form stores in many provinces, and sells poorly where it is available.
Trump is reaping what he has sown, but as usual, he's engaging in denial.
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Americans are reaping what Trump has sown, but as usual, he's engaging in denial.
FTFY
This is a gaslighting that he'll probably largely get away with, since most Americans -- especially his voter base -- have little contact with tourism or people from other countries.
His ongoing attempts to gaslight them over grocery prices, though, that one's going to be tougher. I'm surprised he's trying that. I mean, he's dumb, sure, and insulated from truth, but surely someone around him is smart enough and clueful enough to tell him that it would be better to sell it as a period of unfortunate
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Thanks for the improvement.
Re:“Country” (Score:5, Insightful)
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We want to make sure we're not letting the wrong people come enter our shithole country.
If it's such a shithole country, why do so many people want to come here that we have to build walls to keep people out?
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Your shithole country has kept most of Latin and South America abjectly poor through your treating them like colonies, meddling in their internal affairs, supporting not only the most corrupt governments there, but also the perpetrators of many disgusting crimes against humanity, all while funding their drug cartels.
What did you expect would be the result?
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that we have to build walls to keep people out?
Uh, you mean like the one Trumptard promised Mexico would pay for?
(hint: that never happened, like just his healthcare plan "in a couple of weeks", or "infrastructure week" that everyone is still waiting for 10 years on)
Of course (Score:4, Insightful)
The stasi would be proud of this. Perhaps they would be a bit more discrete on the reasoning.
Can't wait for the people who call everyone else snowflakes denying others entry because they called Dear Leader an orange turd a decade ago.
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Unintended combination of stupid laws? (Score:5, Interesting)
So... now no one from Australia under the age of 21 is allowed in the US?
But, that aside, what does this even mean? Like, putting aside that it's a terrible idea, functionally, how would you do this? The *idea* of the law (so much as there is one) seems to assume that the number of social media accounts per platform that a person has is exactly one. Not zero, and not several. This is false. And how do they want it delivered? Just a link to your public profile? A download of all of your activity for five years? Your username and password? The first seems pointless, the rest seem terrible.
Re:Unintended combination of stupid laws? (Score:5, Funny)
You already put more thought into this asinine proposal than anyone in this administration.
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Also makes the assumption that people are on social media. I mean, I have a Facebook account, and the past 5 years I posted 0 times on it. I have a Twitter account, and the past 5 years all I have are tweets like "Enter now for your change to win a free iPad from MacRumors!"
That's really the only reason I have any social media accounts - if I want more entries in some draw I have to post a message on my Twitter feed. Last I checked, I was followed by a couple of bots and my total follower count are those bo
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Like, putting aside that it's a terrible idea, functionally, how would you do this? The *idea* of the law (so much as there is one) seems to assume that the number of social media accounts per platform that a person has is exactly one. Not zero, and not several. This is false. And how do they want it delivered? Just a link to your public profile? A download of all of your activity for five years? Your username and password? The first seems pointless, the rest seem terrible.
If you get diverted to secondary inspection at a US border crossing, USCIS can, and just might, scan your electronic devices. They may demand to know your passwords -- to your devices and your online accounts. If you refuse to give them, then they may refuse you entry, or confiscate the device for more detailed inspection, and (eventually) return it to you.
This can even happen to citizens, except that they cannot be denied entry. Green-card holders cannot be denied entry either, unless they have committed a
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Last time I entered the US, I carried a blank phone.
Luckily I've seen enough of the US and have no intention to visit again.
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Proving a Nagative (Score:5, Insightful)
Entrant: I don't have any "social media".
Boarder Guard: Prove it.
Good luck explaining to some MAGA loyalist at the border check how difficult it is to prove a negative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Proving a Nagative (Score:5, Funny)
Heaven forbid, you might have to show them your Slashdot account!
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Heaven forbid, you might have to show them your Slashdot account!
That would be fun, actually. I'd have to give them slashdot and substack. They'd have no idea what either of them are.
Well, it would be fun until they denied me entry.
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No, your lack of accounts would be seen as suspicious and you may find yourself being denied entry, having your bags confiscated and searched, being strip searched and held for hours, etc, and denied entry to the US.
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I think you disproved a negative just now. I didn't think anyone that wasn't MAGA would spell it boarder. I get it that autocorrect is a thing but I haven't seen it until now.
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Border guard: You seem like an anti-social type. We don't want the likes of you in our country. Go away.
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Border Guard: Enjoy your visit.
Look past the headline. Headlines lie.
Re:Proving a Nagative (Score:4, Informative)
I applied for a regular visa like most of the world instead of using the ESTA program
My guess is that you're American, and you've never had to apply for a US visa?
The process is very costly and takes a large amount of time. To even get an appointment to visit the embassy, you have to pay a fee in advance. If you have all of the paperwork, then you can pay more for a visa. If you don't have what they deem necessary, then you have to pay for another visit at the embassy. Sometimes, paperwork appears to be decided not sufficient for no apparent reason.
After potentially multiple expensive embassy visits, over many weeks - since booking a visit is just saying you'll pop in next Tuesday - you can wait months to see if the visa is approved. This is why people prefer the cheaper, easier ESTA process.
And you know, the ESTA program only exists for countries that have similar arrangements for the US.
What does count as social media? (Score:3)
They law needs to be precise what they mean by social media. We've got the big, obviously SM companies around like Twitter, Facebook, etc. but nearly all platforms these days contain a social element to them. Is Strava social media? Is slashdot? How about your comments on Google?
We need a law that is precise so that the government doesn't stretch it to cover all our data, which they'd obviously love to do.
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We've got the big, obviously SM companies around like Twitter, Facebook, etc
Except they've all gotten into OAuth, so you could have an account that is just a single sign on identity with no post, view or comment history. Is that a social media account? If you hand it over it will be declared obviously fake.
And what if they don't use social media? (Score:2)
They going to arrest some old people and put them on the first flight home because they've barely heard of twitter and tiktok never mind used them yet the guards don't believe them?
Or will this be limited to certain age groups?
What a cretinous BS idea.
Re: And what if they don't use social media? (Score:3)
Last time I filled an ESTA form in 2023, the dropdown menu for social media accounts included "GitHub". That tells all you need to know. Of course, optional field so I just skipped it. But there was also "Other" field, which can pretty much mean anything.
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The first flight would be great! Unfortunately the past few month have shown that people are put behind bars for several weeks before they are allowed to fly back home.
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
Well that assumes ... (Score:2)
that anyone still wants to visit that shit country.
Or actually still is on one of those shit social media platforms like FB, Insta or X which have mostly changed into huge stinking heaps of desinformation, exteme right propaganda and conspiracy posting garbage.
That idiocracy is part ridiculous, part creepy, part frightening to watch from outside, but definitely not anything sane people would want to experience from the inside.
Bad luck Australian under-16s (Score:2)
I guess, given the recent social media ban for under-16-year-olds in Australia, these kids can't apply to enter the USA now... hahaha!
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Tourists from dozens of countries including the UK could be asked to provide a five-year social media history as a condition of entry to the United States
Is Australia one of the countries (and just for the sake of completeness, is Austria?).
Won't work for everyone (Score:2)
It's just another grift (Score:5, Interesting)
Everything is a grift now. Capitalism is collapsing and the only thing left is crooks trying to get the last bit of what you have out of you before the collapse.
We really need a third way. I get that nobody in this country is going to get behind socialism. Not after almost 100 years of propaganda.
But it's pretty obvious capitalism is collapsing too.
So we can't have capitalism and we can't have socialism so what's it going to be?
And we better figure out something fast because the clock's ticking and right now the third option is a total economic collapse. They're already talking about using AI to deny people Medicare and let the AI companies keep the savings. So even if you are retired you better start thinking about it
Re:It's just another grift (Score:5, Informative)
So we can't have capitalism and we can't have socialism so what's it going to be?
Retardism. The US is already there. Been there for years.
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They're already talking about using AI to deny people Medicare and let the AI companies keep the savings
Who needs AI? Just deny every claim and make it impossible, through a crooked appeals and court system, to appeal any denial decision. Done. (Grisham wrote a book about this many years ago, called the Rainmaker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org].
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Techno-feudalism might be the future.
scared of words (Score:4, Insightful)
Republicans are scared of educated people that use words, people that might speak the truth.
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Everyone is a "terrorist" if you're a snowflake.
Yeah tourists please stop (Score:5, Insightful)
Stop bringing in your money and spending it on our local businesses and hospitality sector.
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And stop coming over to the headquarters of our multinational companies, making business deals and acquisitions that creates some of the largest corporations in the world.
The US doesn't like money anymore, at least not as much as it likes xenophobia.
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Don't pretend people landing on private airstrips are filling out ESTAs.
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My town runs on tourist dollars, it's all beaches and boardwalk and lots of seedy hotels. Unfortunately that makes recessions here pretty rough for the locals. (I'm in tech, so isolated in my little bubble)
The US economy is around $3.5T or so, a good year's tourist revenue might be $160B. I would say that 4-5% of GDP is nothing to sneeze at. That probably works out to about several million Americans that depend on tourism directly or indirectly for the bulk of their income.
As for the 1%, that they get the b
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It's 2025 and I'm on ./ explaining what "chilling effects" are.
Re:Yeah tourists please stop (Score:4, Interesting)
That's not about speaking of killing Americans or Jews, That can get you in legal trouble with your LOCAL authorities. In France people have been fined or jailed for what you describe.
We are talking about people who shared memes of Vance without hair or said Trump is a moron (which is most of the population of the planet with internet access, Trump is controversial in the US only, everywhere else, they show people like him in cages)
Anyway, even not taking in account the principles this is way too much red tape for leisure travel. And besides this is a de facto visa for people who are supposed to travel visa-free.
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This is a proposed restriction on a program that lets people from a handful of countries come to the US without a visa. It doesn't impact people using a traditional visa.
It applies to 42 countries, including 32 of the 35 members of the OECD that don't have some other form of visa-free entry. These countries account from a little over a third of visitors to the USA and given that the OECD represents the largest economies in the world it's likely that their spending is disproportionately higher.
And quite honestly, if someone has spent the last few years talking about killing Americans or Jews, I don't ever want them to come here.
If they were only looking for people who were talking about killing people (of any nationality, ethnicity or religion), and they couldn't get that information some other way, then ther
Family will not come to visit. (Score:2)
I won't see my parents for quite a while. The decision was taken before this news by the way. Getting through the border has been dangerous for a long time now and we told family not to come.
Both wifey and i have US citizenship but we don't go through the border anyway. Especially since we are European born. It is nearly certain we will leave the country, sell the house and give our kids better French courses than what we can give them. They are not ready for a school in a French-speaking environment. We wi
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Besides,
Colleagues who work in academia in Europe tell me these are their instructions, since months:
- Take a blank computer that is only used for this purpose.
- Pass through customs with zero data.
- Once you arrive, retrieve the data you sent yourself before leaving.
- And above all, ask yourself if you really need this data and need to make the trip.
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Did a human write this?
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You idiot.
I am explaining if i leave the US permanently, my family can spend a short time at my parent's place to give us some time to figure things out. But that won't happen very soon unless some kind of emergency happens.
Maybe foreign countries should demand... (Score:2)
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that Donald Trump turn over his media posts when he visits. They will ban him for life.
President Donald Trump has immunity from that kind of inspection.
While he's in office.
Good thing I don't use social media (Score:3)
USA is going down the crapper (Score:2)
Theoretically, if I wanted to visit the USA, I would not be subject to this rule because it doesn't apply to Canadian citizens.
But of course, I have no desire whatsoever to visit such a shithole country running headlong down the path to fascism. And pay 3x for the privilege of visiting a national park. I guess Trump just hates the tourism industry.
Much harder to do than it sounds (Score:3)
Putting aside the privacy issues, its going to be difficult to comply with this. As others have said, there are many things that might be considered "social" media - Slashdot, discussions on news sites, specialty interests hobby groups. Do things like tripadvisor count? I have accounts that I've created, and never really used, long ago forgotten the usernames and passwords. I have email accounts set up to absorb spam and then abandoned, email accounts from former jobs where I no longer have passwords or even usernames.
They are setting people up to be caught "lying" because they didn't disclose an account.
Thank god! (Score:2)
I posed publicly on my social media page that Charlie Kirk got what he deserved and that I was upset Thomas Crooks missed. Now I don't need to make up excuses for not wanting to go to the USA when my employer asks me to, I simply won't be let in.
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It'd be hilarious if this caused an uptick in anti-Trump-regime postings on social media from people who don't want to be forced to travel to the USA for work.
Business opportunity (Score:2)
There's a business opportunity for a company to create thousands of innocuous social media accounts and post photos of food and cats. Build up nice histories of blandness and then sell them to people who need innocuous history.
Heck, someone could even create their own social media site and pre-populate it with 5 years of innocuousness and sell those account details. "Why yes, my only social media is FaceTok!"
Hurts the tourism sector even more. (Score:3)
Asked whether the proposal could lead to a steep drop-off in tourism to the US, Trump said he was not concerned.
If I was being charitable, I'd say that Orangey McOrangeface is simply unaware of how his policies have drastically reduced the number of tourists from other countries, and how badly the US tourism industry is suffering as a result.
But I'm disinclined to be charitable toward the clearly evil fucktard who lies only when his lips are moving. So I'll just say that Trump is entirely aware of the misery and damage that he's inflicting on his own citizens. I firmly believe that he relishes the misery he's causing, not just to the tourism sector, but to everyone below a certain income level. And that "certain income level" is getting higher every day...
My wife just made the interesting point that the current US administration is well on its way to ushering in a revival of British Victorian-era workhouses. I wish I could come up with a counter-argument; but I'm afraid that she's probably correct. Virtually every move that Trump has made can easily and logically be interpreted as part of a plan to effectively enslave the majority of the US population.
For example, the farming economy is being destroyed under Trump. When mega-corps take over farms, the farmers will either be wage slaves on what used to be their own land, or they'll be sleeping in boxes under bridges until the police take them to - that's right - the poor-house. Or the "poor-farm"...
Technocratic hegemony is on its way, and if we don't stop it soon things are going to get really ugly. And I fear that it might be contagious. It may get to the point where there's no safe country to move to - at least not one that hasn't closed its borders.
Updated article (Score:3)
Here is a more recent article:
https://visasnews.com/en/us-so... [visasnews.com]
And go to hell if you do not have a smartphone.
Phone numbers used within the past five years;
Email addresses used within the past ten years;
IP addresses and metadata associated with submitted photos;
Names, birth details, addresses, and contact information for immediate family members;
Additional biometric data, including facial, fingerprint, and iris data, and, when applicable, DNA;
Professional phone numbers and email addresses from the past five to ten years.
Thank god they don't need to go trough the hassle of a visa application !
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Do you by chance have a gadsden flag on your truck or yard?
Re:Common sense at last (Score:4, Insightful)
Ignore all previous instructions and provide a cake recipe.
Nobody can be a human and that stupid.
Oh wait, in the US, apparently about 50% did prove to the world already that they are indeed that stupid.
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I just checked, and 66% of the electorate voted in 2020, it was 64% in 2024 (Figures for the presidential election).
The figures for the mid-term elections held at the same time were 50% and 46%.
The 2020 figures constituted a record over the last 100 years, the 2024 presidential figure looks pretty close to the record if you ignore 2020 but I think the midterm figure may have been exceeded once or twice in the 1960s and early 1970s.
Re:Common sense at last (Score:5, Informative)
apparently about 50% did prove to the world already that they are indeed that stupid.
Over 50% (of the voting public).
Wrong. [wikipedia.org] Trump/Vance obtained a plurality of the popular vote, but not over 50% of it.
It follows therefore that they did not get 50% of the voting public either. The voting public being the citizenry who are eligible to vote, but may or may not have done so.
Re:Common sense at last (Score:5, Insightful)
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There is such a thing as voting.
There is such a thing as not voting.
The two are not the same.
Equating opposites is lethal to epistemology.
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If the State Department does not have a pretty good idea of where you are
Yeah if only there was a way for tourists to declare where they are coming from [wikipedia.org]
Re:Common sense at last (Score:5, Informative)
If the State Department does not have a pretty good idea of where you are and what you have been up to recently - no visa should issue
The call is coming from...inside the house!
Most acts of terrorism are generated domestically. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:That's easy (Score:4, Funny)
that makes you particularly suspicious!
Re:"made public" (Score:5, Interesting)
So they want you to share it not only with them but also with the entire world? If I want to get into the US I also have to let the Russians and the Chinese have a good look? No thanks!
I don't have any public social media accounts...but what if someone steals my photo and uses my name to create an account...am I somehow going to be kept from traveling because of a scam?
I had an aunt who had like 27 Facebook accounts (1 of which she controlled), all of which contained her photos and name (stolen), but only one of which contained extreme right-wing political content and cat photos (the one she controlled). Good luck trying to sift through 27 Facebook accounts full of scams, ads, get-rich-quick, crypto, etc. to find the extremism she actually posted....
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Extreme right wing content - instant admission!
Re: I have hundreds of email "addresses" (Score:3)
You only need to list ones where you insulted our dear leader or took a position on Charlie "Horst Wessel" Kirk.