Texas Father Rescues Kidnapped 15-Year-Old Daughter After Tracking Her Phone's Location (theguardian.com) 133
An anonymous reader shared this report from The Guardian:
A Texas father used the parental controls on his teenage daughter's cell phone to find and help rescue her after she was kidnapped at knifepoint while walking her dog on Christmas, authorities allege... Her father subsequently located her phone through the device's parental controls, the agency's statement said. The phone was about 2 miles (3.2km) away from him in a secluded, partly wooded area in neighboring Harris county... She then managed to escape with a hand from her father, who called law enforcement officials, said the statement from the Montgomery sheriff's office.
The suspect has since been arrested and charged.
The suspect has since been arrested and charged.
He had a particular set of skills (Score:5, Funny)
Hang. (Score:2)
For fucks sake what makes a human so demented as to kidnap someone like that? Is it some kind of hate, or do they get overwhelmed with desire, that they dismiss and lose all empathy? Anyone who has a brain like that should suicide .. as there's likely no help for something like that .. not anytime soon anyway.
Re:Hang. (Score:4, Informative)
For fucks sake what makes a human so demented as to kidnap someone like that?
To be fair, the reason TFS references The Guardian and ABC News in Chicago is that the headlines in Texas papers simply said, "Date Gone Wrong." Sure, getting stuffed into a trunk is usually a weekend thing there, but it was a holiday. Not sure about the at knife (or gun) point thing as everyone's armed in TX. /satire
Is it some kind of hate, or do they get overwhelmed with desire, that they dismiss and lose all empathy?
Sadly, there are a myriad of reasons; perhaps the specifics in this case this will come out with further investigation.
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What Texas headlines said that? I haven't been able to find them. ...
Seems you missed the "/satire" tag at the end of my paragraph. :-)
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Re:Hang. (Score:5, Insightful)
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For fucks sake what makes a human so demented as to kidnap someone like that? Is it some kind of hate, or do they get overwhelmed with desire, that they dismiss and lose all empathy?
How about mental illness?
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They're also rather rare compared to kidnapping by friends/family.
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So yes this could have been an arranged meeting or something.
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As I recall, he was looking at brain structures of psychopaths. Obviously, psychopaths are not all criminals, but they are over-represented in the population with criminal records. They are also over-represented in high-stress and high-profile careers, like surgeons and CEO's.
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I mention this because I don't want to encourage people to fall into the trap of making the useless assumption that everyone in power is a psychopath. Ma
It's texas. he could have yeeted the shitbird (Score:2)
Re:It's texas. he could have yeeted the shitbird (Score:4, Interesting)
Lethal force is legal in Texas for this sort of event...
To prevent or end a kidnapping, lethal force is legal in pretty much every state, though there is some variation in the burden of proof. To take revenge on a kidnapper once the girl is free, lethal force is not legal in any state, not even Texas.
Contrary to popular belief, Texas is a pretty middle of the road state with respect to legality of lethal force. It has more restrictive concealed carry license requirements than many states, and more restrictions on where you can carry than many states. Texas does have constitutional carry, but prohibits carry in places that are not prohibited by federal law, and not prohibited by some other states' constitutional carry laws.
The one way in which Texas is significantly more permissive with the use of lethal force than any other state is that Texas authorizes the use of lethal force to protect property from theft or criminal mischief at night. No other state allows this, and Texas doesn't allow it during daylight.
I'm speaking of the black letter law. It's certainly possible that in some regions of Texas you might get a forgiving prosecutor or jury for something like this. But you might not, too.
You insensitive clod! (Score:2)
Texas authorizes the use of lethal force to protect property from theft or criminal mischief at night. No other state allows this, and Texas doesn't allow it during daylight.
I'm blind. I don't know when it's daylight.
Re:You insensitive clod! (Score:4, Insightful)
Texas authorizes the use of lethal force to protect property from theft or criminal mischief at night. No other state allows this, and Texas doesn't allow it during daylight.
I'm blind. I don't know when it's daylight.
You're blind. You shouldn't shoot guns.
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The self-defense instructors and lawyers I've talked to have said the law allows the use of deadly force only if you perceive an immediate threat to your life. Threats to your freedom, property, or general "safety" don't quality.
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The self-defense instructors and lawyers I've talked to have said the law allows the use of deadly force only if you perceive an immediate threat to your life. Threats to your freedom, property, or general "safety" don't quality.
That's a good general rule, but the details vary a lot from state to state. Two general corrections I'd add are that all jurisdictions (1) allow you to defend other people, too, not just yourself, and (2) threats of serious bodily harm qualify, not just threats of death.
Beyond that, most jurisdictions authorize the use of lethal force for preventing certain classes of felonies that pose grave risk of harm to people. The felonies generally include arson (because there might be people in the building; some
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If the father had shot the kidnapper during the rescue he would have a good argument that he reasonably perceived an imminent threat to himself and his daughter. On the other hand, if the father had pulled a Gary Plauche on the kidnapper I doubt they could have a found a jury that would convicted him for murder.
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If the father had shot the kidnapper during the rescue he would have a good argument that he reasonably perceived an imminent threat to himself and his daughter.
Depends on the details of the situation. Of course, with the kidnapper dead and the father and daughter the only witnesses, they could probably arrange the details to provide a good argument for justification, as long as they were careful not to contradict any of the physical evidence.
On the other hand, if the father had pulled a Gary Plauche on the kidnapper I doubt they could have a found a jury that would convicted him for murder.
Lots of juries have convicted people of similar revenge killings. Lots have also refused. I wouldn't want to take my chances. Gary Plauche thought a conviction was sufficiently likely that he plead to manslaughter rather th
Another good reason (Score:2)
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This happened on a public street.
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I think the point was some kids walk home from school. Though banning phones in classrooms and allowing them in lockers would let kids walk to/from school with them.
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Glad she's safe, but stalkers use same skills (Score:5, Interesting)
Kidnapper and Dad both lucky to be alive (Score:2)
Kidnapper lucky Dad didn't have a gun.
Dad lucky kidnapper didn't have one.
Note to self: If loved one is kidnapped and I know where they are, tell the cops and let them handle it. They are trained in how not to get killed and their aim is better than mine.
Re:Kidnapper and Dad both lucky to be alive (Score:4, Informative)
Note to self: If loved one is kidnapped and I know where they are, tell the cops and let them handle it. They are trained in how not to get killed and their aim is better than mine.
What? Cops can shoot innocent bystanders all day and nothing happens. Take this for example, 9 people injured from bullets and bullet fragments. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/e... [cbsnews.com]
Re: Kidnapper and Dad both lucky to be alive (Score:2)
Or like this situation, where the cops killed the kidnapped girl they were trying to rescue. Great job guys!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]
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If it came down to "the perp is going to escape with the girl, unless I risk my life" .. what choice do you think the cop is making? I'm not saying don't invite them .. invite them .. but make sure you're there too. Just in case you get ex Uvalde or Bondi beach cops.
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Better to invite them for a time after when you'll arrive. No testimony is less reliable than cop testimony [sciencedirect.com].
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It's Texas. Dad probably did have a gun, and may have used it to secure his daughter's safety.
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Yeah but would you risk tracking your daughter down alone without packing heat? You'd want to be armed.
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Would you risk NOT tracking your daughter down alone, in a dynamic time critical situation of kidnap and unknown other crimes? Every minute delay might result in rape or murder.
I’ve never lived in a gun country, but in London I’ve recovered two phones (on separate occasions) stolen from my children, by tracking them through public places to the thieves, and on one occasion to a private address in housing estate in Woolwich. The (false) threat of police being on the way, and exact address of t
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tell the cops and let them handle it. They are trained in how not to get killed
You can ask the Uvalde police for a demonstration of how that works, they will be happy to oblige.
and their aim is better than mine.
HAhahAHAHahAHHAHAHAHA
I guess you don't know too many cops.
There is LOADS of cheating in cop firearm qualifications.
So ... (Score:2)
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Why The Guardian instead of a local outlet? (Score:2)
Not:
https://www.khou.com/article/n... [khou.com]
https://www.fox26houston.com/n... [fox26houston.com]
https://www.13abc.com/2025/12/... [13abc.com]
Not even an American national outlet like:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u... [nbcnews.com]
https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
https://www.nydailynews.com/20... [nydailynews.com]
https://people.com/texas-fathe... [people.com]
No, we get it from a UK tabloid that officially abandoned journalism years ago. The Guardian is complet
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eh... it definitely leans left, and you see that in various ways, but it's still does decent on basic factual reporting afaict.
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Because in UK, a man was a parent doing what parents should do and tracked down and rescued his kidnapped daughter from a house where she was being held by a rape gang while police refused to do anything and then got arrested by same said police for assaulting one of the rapists during the rescue.
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Can you link to the story? (I pasted your text into several search engines and there nothing obvious.)
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Likely a complete hallucination. Some people have severe trouble separating their serialized fantasies from reality.
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That should be "sexualized fantasies".
Re:being a parent is now news. (Score:5, Insightful)
Likely a complete hallucination. Some people have severe trouble separating their serialized fantasies from reality.
That should be "sexualized fantasies".
You evaluated the claims and considered them probable enough (presumably familiar with the egregiousness of the state's failure to act on behalf of citizens in the Rothertham child exploitation coverups [wikipedia.org]) that you wanted to protect yourself from egg on your face by caveating a "Likely" on your doubts.
However, with the same weighing of evidence in which you hedge on your own behalf, you feel comfortable proclaiming someone else guilty of depraved sexual perversions?
Interesting principles to live by.
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Is this "comment" AI slop?
Re: being a parent is now news. (Score:3)
This accounting [gbnews.com] seems pretty close:
Jack knew his daughter was being exploited and desperately sought police support. He told GB News that he made hundreds of reports to South Yorkshire Police about her being missing.
But instead of the force sufficiently investigating the issue, Jack claimed that they arrested him twice as he tried to rescue his daughter from the den.
Doesn't mention directly assaulting the rapists so if it's what OP was referring to then he may have mixed up that detail with another story.
But given these rape cover ups spanned decades and involved over a thousand cases it's hard to say certainly if it's not just another case.
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Yes and so they should. Taking matters into their own hands is a great way to get yourself killed. Very few people have a "particular set of skills". Someone is going to copy this idiot and end up getting shot in the face.
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And that's a way to get parents killed. What every parent should do is defer to experts on this. If the police are useless solve that problem instead. I know America is a 3rd world shithole, but we've not gotten to Mad Max yet.
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According to TFS, the abduction was witnessed and those people immediately called the cops when it happened.
Witnesses at the scene of the abduction provided a detailed description of a vehicle involved in the kidnapping and of its driver, leading deputies to identify 23-year-old Giovanni Rosales Espinoza as a suspect, according to the sheriff’s office.
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Very likely somebody she had a relationship of some kind. Things like this are exceptionally rare and almost unheard of by strangers, as can be seen by how this blows up in international (!) news. Hence, don't worry about something linke this happening. You daughter is far, far more likely to get severely injured or die in a car crash. But that will not make the news.
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Completely disconnected nonsense. It was exceptionally rare, is exceptionally rare and will remain exceptionally rare. And the ones dumping criminals on other places is the US, not the other way round.
What you have there is an instance of the "Big Lie" approach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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So, whenever someone tells you that somebody else is using "The Big Lie", take caution. Be aware that they are almost certainly the ones lying to you.
The key is realizing that "The Big Lie" doesn't work. The core concept is nonsensical. You can't convince many people
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The key is realizing that "The Big Lie" doesn't work. The core concept is nonsensical. You can't convince many people to believe what is obviously false.
And that is another Big Lie. Because history and current events very clearly show it works nicely. You are just a malicious person that does not like to get called out.
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Re: 50/50 there's no knife and it was a bf (Score:2)
Investigators later learned that the man who abducted the girl had threatened her with a knife and then grabbed her off the street. Witnesses at the scene of the abduction provided a detailed description of a vehicle involved in the kidnapping and of its driver, leading deputies to identify 23-year-old Giovanni Rosales Espinoza as a suspect, according to the sheriffâ(TM)s office. The agency said it later tracked down Rosales â" described as being from Porter â" and arrested him without further incident. Deputies said they booked him with counts of aggravated kidnapping as well as indecency with a child. No bail was immediately set for him, and he remained in custody as of Sunday.
OK, I Don't Understand... (Score:2)
Witnesses saw an obvious kidnapping and did what? Nothing? I don't know about anyone else, but if I see such, I'm getting in my car, following, and vectoring the cops to the location of the vehicle. What would you do? And no, I don't need to be armed to do that. If they try to get away, I have twin turbochargers in the current ride. If I need to get away, I have twin turbochargers...
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You’re my hero. How many turbochargers does your ride have again?
If only there were some explanation for why the witnesses may not be immediately able to pursue the vehicle. That would be cool.
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Re:50/50 there's no knife and it was a bf (Score:4, Informative)
Re:50/50 there's no knife and it was a bf (Score:4, Informative)
No, asshole: children cannot consent to be raped by adults. It's rape, by definition. Don't be an asshole. And don't rape children. This isn't difficult.
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It is rape by the definition of your stupid law.
Make the law different: and it is not rape anymore.
How farking stupid are you?
Denying young people the basic human right of having sex, and then on top of that prosecute them as rapists? Asshole.
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"World human rights" is not the law of the land in this country. no one said that.
We don't have to go by the perverted standards of other countries whose views fed into what ultimately became "world human rights"
Having an age of consent at 18, and having idiotic laws, that make two 17 year olds who have sex, criminals and sex offenders: that is perverted.
"World Human RIghts" (Score:2)
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According to world human rights s/he can with age of 14.
[citation needed]
FYI: Most nations now set the age of consent to 18.
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Germany is 14, Australia is 16. Last time I looked at a list, I think 16 was pretty common. Not that it matters - teenage girls are annoying. I'm not even interested in sex with women under 30 any more.
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In most nations it is 16.
And regarding citation needed: google it yourself. Human Rights Charta. Not difficult to find. /facepalm
In Germany it is 14, if the older one is below 16 or 18, not sure. They changed that once. Now the general age is 16.
You can marry with age of 14 if both parents of both sides agree (yes that is odd, if one of them for example is 30, the parents of the 30 year old have agree that he marries the 14 year old).
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Human Rights Charta. Not difficult to find. /facepalm
When I search for that I get the UN declaration of human rights, is that what you meant?
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Or that it was some crazy scheme by the father. It's in Texas, abandon all reason ye who enter here.
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Re:I'm not one to call for execution (Score:4, Insightful)
But you are calling for "cruel and unusual punishment". And you do so with an incomplete picture of what happened. That makes you a problem. There is a reason these are illegal.
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Sure, let's totally dispense justice based on mainstream media reporting of the alleged crime. No way that could go wrong!
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The guy was protecting her from an alien invasion. The aliens are clothing-mimicking creatures which when worn, take over a person's body.
Re:I'm not one to call for execution (Score:4, Informative)
You are sure of that? Interesting.
Because I did not even hint at such a thing. All I said is the situation is unclear and that is the actual, factual truth. You basically requested torture, which is a thing no non-malicious person does. Abd you did it on incomplete information, which means you do not even care whether your cruelty is applied with some, however immoral, "justification".
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You know why "supporting the rights of criminals" is important? Because who is a "criminal" is pretty fuzzy and YOU could find yourself one at any time without actually having done anything more wrong than having a view, an opinion or some genetic markup or there having been some data processing error.
Only deeply malicious scumbags think criminals should not have rights. History shows that time and again.
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True. It is always important to remember that Anne Frank and her family were criminals and were evading arrest and obstructing justice when the legitimate authorities caught up with them and dispensed justice. There should obviously be some quote marks around some of the words in that description. Not all criminals are Anne Frank, of course, but clearly she and her family would have got some real benefit from a society that protected the rights of criminals.
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Indeed. And yes, giving criminals rights means some pretty bad people have to have rights and have them defended. But the alternatives are far, far worse.
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Yeah that seems to be the claim when someone is illegally assaulted or kidnapped. "But you do know the wHolE picture!" but my god, someone hurts your feelings and disagrees with you? Threatens to end fraud of beneits? Super hitler Nazi.
This is a general observation, I don't know your opinions and I'm not intending this directed at you.
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Re:I'm not one to call for execution (Score:4, Informative)
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FYI, you can be kidnapped by someone you know.
Some dogs are really stupid and others eat your face after you die.
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Re:Anyone want to bet if the perp is illegal? (Score:4, Informative)
Only Trump-followers think that immigrants are more likely criminals than US citizens. And don't give me the crap about "illegal" immigrants. Trump has done everything in his power to make ALL immigrants illegal, including refugees and asylum seekers.
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