'One of America's Most Successful Experiments Is Coming to a Shuddering Halt' (nytimes.com) 281
The six-decade flow of highly skilled Indian immigrants to the United States -- a migration pattern that produced some of the country's highest-earning households, several Nobel laureates, and the CEOs of Google, Microsoft, and Pepsi -- appears to be grinding to a halt amid rising anti-Indian rhetoric from Republican officials and chaos in the visa system, according to New York Times.
Indian student arrivals at American universities fell 44% this year, even as Indians had just become the largest contingent of foreign students the previous year. The decline comes as top Trump administration officials have publicly accused Indian immigrants of gaming the system. Stephen Miller, the architect of the president's immigration crackdown, declared on Fox News that Indians "engage in a lot of cheating on immigration policies that is very harmful to American workers." Governor Ron DeSantis called the H-1B visa program "chain migration run amok."
The hostility extends beyond policy circles. At a Hindu temple in Sugar Land, Texas, conservative Christian protesters gathered during the dedication of a 90-foot Hanuman statue, calling the deity "a demon god." A U.S. Senate candidate wrote on social media: "Why are we allowing a false statue of a false Hindu God to be here in Texas? We are a CHRISTIAN nation." Indian Americans' median household income significantly outstrips that of white Americans, and about three-quarters hold at least a college degree. Foreign students have earned more engineering and computer science doctorates than American citizens and permanent residents for over two decades, according to the National Science Foundation. American tech giants have announced $67.5 billion in new investments in India in just the past few months.
Indian student arrivals at American universities fell 44% this year, even as Indians had just become the largest contingent of foreign students the previous year. The decline comes as top Trump administration officials have publicly accused Indian immigrants of gaming the system. Stephen Miller, the architect of the president's immigration crackdown, declared on Fox News that Indians "engage in a lot of cheating on immigration policies that is very harmful to American workers." Governor Ron DeSantis called the H-1B visa program "chain migration run amok."
The hostility extends beyond policy circles. At a Hindu temple in Sugar Land, Texas, conservative Christian protesters gathered during the dedication of a 90-foot Hanuman statue, calling the deity "a demon god." A U.S. Senate candidate wrote on social media: "Why are we allowing a false statue of a false Hindu God to be here in Texas? We are a CHRISTIAN nation." Indian Americans' median household income significantly outstrips that of white Americans, and about three-quarters hold at least a college degree. Foreign students have earned more engineering and computer science doctorates than American citizens and permanent residents for over two decades, according to the National Science Foundation. American tech giants have announced $67.5 billion in new investments in India in just the past few months.
Subjective anyone? (Score:4, Insightful)
I would say this is a subjective opinion, and it has always been controversial, somewhat unpopular, and abused by corporate giants.
The helplessness one feels when someone shows up and literally takes your job has to be pretty traumatic. Losing your job due to downsizing is pretty bad, but that I'd even more dehumanizing. So backlash and resentment is part of the process, and the Indians are smart enough to know that as well.
Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Insightful)
And don't blame the one who replaced you at the employer, but blame the employer for replacing you and prioritising greed.
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I should add it doesn't have to be. But it is. One of the things that pisses me off about progressives even as a progressive is that we progressives have a bad habit of acting like we've already won and the world already works the way we want it to.
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You MAGA folks might hate competition when you're selling but I bet you're going to like it when you're buying. Come back to the Dems and you're going to find people asking basic questions like "why should government use force to reduce competition in housing supply?"
You really must be new here if you think rsilvergun is MAGA.
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Speaking of "mentally sick"...
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And don't blame the one who replaced you at the employer, but blame the employer for replacing you and prioritising greed.
It's not always the employers fault - sure larger corps are greedy, but smaller ones need to compete by making financial choices - the good of the one vs the good of the many.... If I have 50 people in my company and one of them is an "American born" resource who is failing to keep up his/her skills, and along comes a prospect with better skills at a lower cost, why should I keep the "Slacker". Would it be different if the replacement were American born? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer the local variety fo
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This does not constitute greed as a reason for replacing someone. Slackers need to be replaced.
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Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
Everyone knows H1B needs better guardrails. The only way to make it painful for companies that abuse the system is hit them from a tax standpoint. Even if there was a huge shortage of IT professionals, forcing a higher tax rate to receive H1B workers may have them decide to invest in domestic talent.
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Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
It does suck because I see where the resentment comes from. At least when I started, the ratio of competent to incompetent Indians was about the same as anyone else (race or whatever). You're always going to have good people and people who are idiots and shouldn't be there. It's always like a 50/50 split unless you're in one of the high end super-competitive markets.
I don't want to hate on my own people, but India as a nation has a deep seeded culture of corruption that needs to be dealt with domestically. America use to have one too (just look at E. H. Crump in Memphis back in the 40s), but today
America use to bring over Indians who would either assimilate or have kids that assimilated. They brought over people who saw the problems domestically and wanted to get away from that and create a better life for their children. Yes, a good amount kept their own culture and arranged match-making for their kids, but a considerable amount didn't. It was a true culture mesh and they filled roles that were lacking in the markets. Today they're just lowering the value of Americans, as are more immigrants in general in markets that have been down for 6+ years.
The anti-Indian sentiment hurts the ABCD, and even those fresh-of-the-plane immigrants who truly know their stuff and/or want to take part in western culture. But we also can't just defend all Indians because we are Indians. That's not good either
Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
I have a woman from India on my team, they've been in the US since the early 90s. She complains the newer immigrants bring along the biases and divisions that exist within India to the US. Of course we had that same type of issues in the 19th and early 20th century. Each new group of immigrants was looked down upon by the previous group of immigrants.
It takes awhile to assimilate and there's nothing wrong with keeping in touch with your own culture.. just don't expect the "natives" to always approve.
Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's how it's always been. The first-generation immigrants are never 100% assimilated. Their children assimilate while retaining strong ties to the country of their parents. Their grandchildren have only a passing familiarity with the country of their grandparents. Beyond that, there is no meaningful connection left.
One of my great-great grandfathers on my father's side immigrated from Germany in the late 19th century. He refused to learn English. Although he of course died long before my birth, my Grandfather told me that he was never really able to communicate with his grandfather due to the language barrier. My surname was originally very German sounding until WWI when the family anglicized it to avoid anti-German sentiment. Today, I have no meaningful connection to Germany and it is only one of many countries my ancestors originated from. Give it 100 years, and it will be the same for the great great grandchildren of today's arrivals.
The Indian Diaspora is much different (Score:3)
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I'm an Indian, but an "ABCD" (American Bord Confused Desi). I can't read or understand Hindi anymore. I only ever had an "American" accent. I've had more than one girlfriend say I wasn't Indian, but American.
It does suck because I see where the resentment comes from. At least when I started, the ratio of competent to incompetent Indians was about the same as anyone else (race or whatever). You're always going to have good people and people who are idiots and shouldn't be there. It's always like a 50/50 split unless you're in one of the high end super-competitive markets.
I don't want to hate on my own people, but India as a nation has a deep seeded culture of corruption that needs to be dealt with domestically. America use to have one too (just look at E. H. Crump in Memphis back in the 40s), but today .. you don't bribe cops. It usually won't work. It's still common in parts of India. Some of their regions have grown a lot as far as infrastructure and worth ethic. They don't have tofu cities like China, but they also don't have streamlines traffic like the US or safe trains like the EU.
America use to bring over Indians who would either assimilate or have kids that assimilated. They brought over people who saw the problems domestically and wanted to get away from that and create a better life for their children. Yes, a good amount kept their own culture and arranged match-making for their kids, but a considerable amount didn't. It was a true culture mesh and they filled roles that were lacking in the markets. Today they're just lowering the value of Americans, as are more immigrants in general in markets that have been down for 6+ years.
The anti-Indian sentiment hurts the ABCD, and even those fresh-of-the-plane immigrants who truly know their stuff and/or want to take part in western culture. But we also can't just defend all Indians because we are Indians. That's not good either ... M. Night Shyamalan had one good movie and everything after has sucked ass!
I live in a majority Asian community and my Indian neighbors are great. That said, their college grad American-born kids are also competing for jobs against H1-B's, and they shouldn't be. I also work with a lot of H1-B's. Some are top notch experienced professionals but most are just mediocre. We were told that this program was bringing in the best and the brightest, the specialists, the cream of the crop possessing skills that are just not available here, and it just isn't so. This backlash has been b
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I can't really tell what the point of the article was because (as usual) most of it was paywalled.
But... are we supposed to be HAPPY that US corporations have been outsourcing millions of highly skilled technology and healthcare jobs to cheaper Indian labor for the past 30 years? I guess that you would be if your last name was Kumar or Patel, but I kinda liked having my job protected from foreign H1-B invaders during the first Trump administration. It's too bad that Trump sold out to Big Tech for his secon
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If your job is only protected by government intervention then you won't have it much longer anyway.
doctors (Score:2)
In the case of doctors, there are several parts of the country where they're not willing to move, or live. That's why foreign doctors are sought in the first place: not to lower salaries, but rather, to provide services in areas where they are non-existent and whose residents would have to travel far to get medical treatment
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Re:Subjective anyone? (Score:5, Informative)
Ridiculously subjective. High skilled indian workers? Low skilled workers who replace high skilled americans is the norm not 'highly skilled workers.' In the raw they are average alongside other sources of starting and unproven labor but we didn't have shortages 20yrs ago and haven't at any point in the decades of replacing american workers with cheap insourced and outsourced labor since then. Worse Indians have infected management and even executive ranks and they are racist, intentionally hiring other Indians, claiming they are better at math [whether the positions actually require it or not] and calling Americans and those they see as low caste as lazy and lacking the same work ethic.
Re: Subjective anyone? (Score:3)
So now Slashdot is pro H-1B visa?
It's nice how we've morphed students arriving on student visas with "highly-skilled professionals" entering under the H-1B visa program into one group - kinda like when being against illegal immigrants entering the country (again, illegally) was turned into an across the board indictment of ALL immigration.
The worker visa program doesn't prevent aspiring college students from entering the country - but honestly, you knew that, you just want to virtue-signal against orange ma
How well does it scale? (Score:2)
There is a question of magnitude, though, and scalability. It's one thing for Americans to compete w/ other Americans w/ similar skills for the same standard wages. However, if the labor pool is increased, and that too by several orders of magnitude, it's another story altogether
Yeah, competition is a good thing, but that assumes a tiered structure where people w/ higher market value earn more. However, the main reason companies are shedding American workers and trying to hire not just Indians, but als
Delusional much? (Score:5, Insightful)
We are a CHRISTIAN nation.
No, you are a member of a fanatical fantasy book club. Nothing more.
Re:Delusional much? (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Delusional much? (Score:2)
They were liberal and liberalism didn't evolve in Europe by accident. Christianity, the renaissance and the reformation set the stage.
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Well, there was a certain amount of accident. One big catalyst for the renaissance was cross-pollination of ideas between the Middle East and Europe stemming from the crusades. The rulers of the Middle East during the Middle Ages and pre renaissance were far more accepting of secular knowledge than in Christian Europe. That is why we use Arabic numerals today and not some system created in Europe. The fall of Constantinople also helped, which was a bit of historic accident caused in large part by the Crusad
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I love to hear illiterate religious fantasists exclaiming that your nation is Christian when the founding fathers themselves wholly disagreed with that sentiment.
Except they are all dead, and the Project 2025 guys are all alive and in charge now so...
Re:Delusional much? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this is the third time in this thread I've had to correct someone who is using false "facts" to push a bigoted narrative.
The vast majority of majority Muslim countries allow freedom of religion. In fact, freedom of religion in Islam goes back all the way to Muhammed and is explicitly provided for in the Quran. "To you your religion, and to me mine" (Quran 109:6). The early Islamic states of the Middle Ages were far more tolerant of Jews and Christians than were Christian States in Europe during the same period. There were Christian communities operating freely during the Ottoman empire at the same time as the Spanish Inquisition.
It is true that theocracies like Iran and Afghanistan restrict freedom of religion, but these are a small minority of majority Muslim countries. Besides, Christianity also has a history of theocracies restricting freedom of religion. Even the Puritans of Massachusetts cracked down on freedom of religion, pushing out Catholics and other unfavored denominations. But go to Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, the UAE, Morocco, and any number of majority-Muslim countries (collectively making up more than 90% of the world's Muslim population) and you will find freedom of religion. Nobody blinks an eye at a Christmas celebration in Istanbul. The idea of protesting a Christmas tree would be unthinkable in most Muslim countries. And yet here we are in the U.S. with "Christians" protesting the peaceful practice of other religions.
Re:Delusional much? (Score:4, Insightful)
It is true that theocracies like Iran and Afghanistan restrict freedom of religion, but these are a small minority of majority Muslim countries. Besides,
...they were becoming ever more secular until we fucked that up for oil.
...is the only reasonable end to that sentence
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Basically, all of the monotheistic religions (and most religion period) claim special provenance from God. Every major religion has, at one time or another, been used to justify the political conquest of its founders/adherents. A Jew could have just as easily said "God did not send Jesus Christ to rewrite Judaism." In fact, Jesus was crucified in the bible precisely because the Jewish leadership viewed his teaching as apostacy (and more importantly, political rebellion from the authority of the priestly cas
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That's why in the U.S. constitution, it is clearly stated that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; [...]", because of the horrors of Christian intolera
Re:Delusional much? (Score:5, Interesting)
I beg to differ on both counts.
A secular society separates church and state. In other words, governmental and public affairs are not determined on religious grounds.
And freedom of belief necessarily includes freedom from belief, i.e., the absence thereof.
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The treaty of Tripoli (Score:2)
Anytime some idiot tells you America is a Christian Nation you drop the treaty of Tripoli on them and then you drop your mic.
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Just FYI... the words "Jesus" or "Christ" are nowhere in the founding documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights).
Re:Delusional much? (Score:5, Insightful)
It is true that religion is effective at motivating people to go murder until murdered. Though many people consider that to be more of a curse than a blessing, since war is quite horrible and is usually the result of simple greed and power-lust on the part of the nation's leaders. It's simply not the sort of thing that people should be willing to do under most circumstances. Incidentally, the "security of a nation" can be protected by a paid military force that includes atheists as well as members of any religion since their motivations stem from a desire to protect their home (and to earn a living) rather than religious indoctrination.
Morality and ethics, as it turns out, are not unique to Christianity nor even to religion. Though many religious people tend to think so since their only exposure to these things has been through their religion. Your assumption that non-Christian people "value nothing" just shows your own ignorance.
But the bottom line is very simple: Christianity is founded on unprovable and (quite frankly) strange claims about reality. This assertion that there exists a person with supernatural powers who watches and cares about every little thing we do, with reward and/or punishment in store for us, is just silly! The cultural experience of learning that "Santa Clause" is not real, and that people you trust have been lying to you about that all along, is supposed to imbue within us a healthy distrust for stories exactly like this one. Doubt is not some kind of sin; it is honest and necessary to protect ourselves from charlatans.
I thought it was ironic that the summary includes a quote calling Hanuman a "demon god." According to the Bible, the god of Christianity has no inhibitions about terrorizing people with natural disasters and disease, and eventually deciding to keep people alive forever just so he can keep torturing them with fire forever. Insofar as demon gods go, Jehova is the worst of them all!
Fortunately, there is absolutely no good reason to believe any of these stories.
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Actually, a majority of Iranians are no longer muslim - they've gone mainly Agnostic, Atheistic or one of the other faiths - Zoroastrian, Christian, et al
Also, Israel was specifically created to be a homeland for Jews, particularly after WWII, but even before that. That said, Israel is very much secular - the fact that they can't demolish the al Aqsa mosque to rebuild a temple on that site pretty much gives a lie to the claim that they are a Jewish state
Unlike Israel, the US was not founded on being a
Heinlein had it right (Score:5, Informative)
Revolt in 2100 is a story of a Christofascist state with a sexually abusive cult leader who preyed on young women. And look at what you’ve got now, America
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Revolt in 2100 is a story of a Christofascist state with a sexually abusive cult leader who preyed on young women. And look at what you’ve got now, America
A few years ahead of schedule.
"false Hindu God" (Score:2)
The pedant in me finds it humorous that they needed to specify the false one, implying there must be a true Hindu God they could have immortalized instead. Or maybe they would have labeled any non-Christian God as false, despite Yahweh being just as implausible and conceptually younger. Of course my money would be on the latter.
What's extra entertaining to me is the fact that when a group excels at educational and financial outcomes, some people's reaction isn't to aspire to better, but to get rid of those
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Well, you'd be right to assume you're dealing with an ahistorical population!
So it seems:
Uneducated immigrants = bad
But also:
Educated immigrants = bad
So really they're just racist.
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I agree w/ you that they have no business ranting against a "fake Hindu god". A Hindu could say the same about Mr Christ
That said, I do think it unseemly to build a 29' statue of any deity in this country. It would have been fine in India or Nepal or Mauritius, those being Hindu majority countries, but it makes no sense to do that here. For the same reason it made no sense to make a huge statue of Mr Christ in Bangalore. Hindu temples can have huge compounds for a variety of religious activities outsi
"We are a CHRISTIAN nation." (Score:5, Informative)
Our founders were culturally European and accepted Christianity as the religion of the time, but most were not dogmatically Christian, more like general believers in the spiritual/metaphysical who were content to use the religion popular at the time as a vehicle. They were people of faith, but not fundamentalists or fanatics.
The religious fundamentalists seem to be abandoning MAGA [townhall.com] at the same time the West is abandoning Christianity [amren.com].
As Plato [gutenberg.org] said long ago, tyrants import foreign voters:
This is probably more of what the underlying issue is with foreign labor and why ordinary Americans seem to be opposing it.
Re:"We are a CHRISTIAN nation." (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder if anyone in the MAGA cult has read any Barry Goldwater quotes? He'd be ostracized as a woke libtard today. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/... [wikiquote.org]
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. The government won't work without it. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
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I mean they got fucking George Will writing article like this: A sickening moral slum of an administration [washingtonpost.com] and Bill Kristol is out there saying DHS needs to be abolished (and he's right).
Fair to say MAGA is a full rejection of those previous Republican ideas. Goldwater, Rothbard, Friedman and the like are just woke globalists now.
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For Bill Krystol, that's a major about-face. He was all in support of military adventures overseas, and in support of the various agencies associated w/ the DHS under Trump 45, when they were busy plotting against the POTUS and running their own policy. Now that the Trump team has gotten full control of all that, courtesy Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, John Ratcliffe, et al, that agency needs to be abolished? Dear Bill, if that's done, how will a future Democrat government of your liking spy on MAGA types?
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You can hear him:
https://www.mediaite.com/media... [mediaite.com]
The neocons had a bit of a voice in Trump-1 but this time they are totally on the outs, basically irrelevant in the modern GOP. While they deserve that irrelevancy for Iraq I can say I would much prefer they were still in charge of the party rather than this lawless grifting incompetency we have now.
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This is the funniest shit I read all day. You probably meant "seize" the means of production but ironically it's happening under the current administration. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/2... [cnbc.com]
We're subsidizing Intel now because they're bad at business. https://www.intc.com/news-even... [intc.com]
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I wonder if anyone in the MAGA cult has read any Barry Goldwater quotes? He'd be ostracized as a woke libtard today. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/... [wikiquote.org]
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. The government won't work without it. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
Yea, he and Reagan and Christ would all be seen as woke libtards, socialist and communists. Time to reread With No Apologies and Pure Goldwater...
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Ah there it is. 11AM EST and a republican brings up trans people. Would you also like to wager on all 1600 J6 pardons having handwritten signatures? How many sharpies were required?
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Frankly those who wanted to actually debate what a "woman' is, frighten me.
The only group on the planet that has ever invited me to an argument about "what a woman is" has been a red-hatted grifting asshole. And you MAGA dipshits elected the leader of that club to be president. So forgive me for taking the rest of your comment with the deserved level of dismissal.
Treaty of Tripoli .. Article 11 (Score:2)
Art. 11. "As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
note: Off
Re: Treaty of Tripoli .. Article 11 (Score:2)
Three years later congress passed the Naturalization Act.
Re: Treaty of Tripoli .. Article 11 (Score:2)
Oops, 7 years earlier.
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I don't think Plato's comments about the actions of the leaders of Greek city states are really relevant here. Plato was not talking about immigration in the modern sense.
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Success vs failure rate (Score:3)
Make it about religion (Score:2)
Hey everyone, ignore any actual problems with the visa and immigration system related to India, and instead take a look at how some Christians feel about a statue of a Hindu deity in Texas. On the other side of the spectrum, lets talk to Hindu adherents in India about their thoughts on McDonald's killing over 7 million cows annually to feed Westerners? I'm sure they'll only have positive things to say about that.
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A Chrisian Nation (Score:5, Funny)
G-d: Hey Jesus, this is your birthday. As a present, I am going to send you down to a Christian Nation so that you can receive their love and admiration.
Jesus: Uh...okay...but recall what happened last time I went down there. I am not sure this is a wise idea.
G-d: Oh go on, they love you there. It is a Christian Nation.
Jesus reluctantly pulls out magic wand and FOOM, he disapparates from Heaven and appears in front of a Christian Nationalist rally.
Jesus: Hey, y'all, Jesus Christ here, how are you?
Christian Nationalist: Look it, I don't know who you think you are but do not go blaspheming around here.
JC: No really, I'm Jesus Christ.
CN: Prove it!
JC pulls uses his magic wand and turns the CN's beer into wine.
JC: See, how about that, eh?
CN: Aarrrrggghhh!! A demon!!! Somebody get a rope, we'll hang his ass.
JC, not being gormless, decides to disapparate to a more friendly part of the Christian Nation and appears at the border of Mexico.
JC: (seeing the poor huddled masses wanting to enter the Christian Nation, in a loud voice) I am Jesus Christ, let these poor people in and shelter and feed them!
Border Patrol agents with a posse of CNs: Okay, who let the Commie come to the border?
JC: I mean it, I AM Jesus Christ. These poor people are G-d's people, let them into your Christian Nation and show them the love of Jesus Christ.
Border Patrol agents cock their rifles and the posse starts looking around for razor wire. Jesus, not being gormless sees where this is headed. He pulls out his wand and disapparates to a rally of the former alleged president.
JC: Jesus Christ here!!! (No one pays him any attention)
Jesus hears the former alleged president demonizing immigrants.
JC: (now yelling) Hey, do not listen to him. His message is not Christian. I am Jesus Christ and I am telling you to welcome immigrants into your country!!
Rally Participants around Jesus: You goddamn woke, gay, liberal. Get the Hell out of here, we are listening to Our Savior!!
JC: I am your Savior and I am telling you to stop listening to that guy's unChristian message and welcome the poor people trying to get into your CHRISTIAN NATION!!
RPs: That does it, Billy Joe-Bob brought some zip ties and rope. We will teach this woke jerk what it means to be Christian!! Get him!!!
JC, not being gormless, pulls out wand and disapparates back to Heaven.
G-d: Back so soon?
JC: They wanted to hang me down there! Admittedly it is a bit better than being nailed to cross by Romans...you know...the B.O. ... enough to knock a dead buzzard off a shit wagon at 20 paces. But I will be damned if I am going to go through the death thing again. They are not worth it.
G-d: You mean that is not a Christian Nation?
JC: Wake up Einstein!! They follow an Orange Jesus.
G-d: That's...that's Blasphemy!
G-d pulls out iPhone and dials.
Beelzebub: Yo, Einstein, whatcha want?
G-d: Get up here, gotta big job for you.
Beelzebub blasts up through the floor boards with much flame and fume.
St. Peter: Hey, Beelz!! Long time no see, how are they hanging?
Beelzebub: Really well now that I have had them chromed, all nice and shiny, and the chime is to die for.
G-d dials St. Peter
t. Peter: (a dinka-dink, a-dinka-doo) Yes B-ss?
G-d: I asked Beelz up so you two could figure out what to do with the Christian Nationalists in the Christian Nation. Get back to me with a plan (hangs up).
Beelz: Awww, shit. Not more of those assholes.
St. Pete: Beelz, old buddy old pal. Surely you have room somewhere down there for them.
Beelz: (thinks for a minute and gets an evil grin on his face) We might have room the antechamber.
St. Pete: And we will tell them it is Heaven...but that they must all get pregnant first. Leave it to me...(pulls out iPhone and dials Einstein). Yo, Einstein (St. Pete explains the plan).
Beelz: (pipes up) But would not that
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Loved it! Thanks.
Comic books are for recreation, NOT education (Score:3)
You miss on every detail, so while it's probably funny to you and anybody else ignorant of the basics, it lacks a core element of comedy: a basis in truth or reality and thus will only be funny to those in your bubble rather than everybody generally. Put another way, you're doing Jimmy Kimmel not Johnny Carson.
I'll start with the least critical common error of your thinking: The devil of the Bible is NOT the devil of Dante Alighieri (see: Divine Comedy). He is a created being, cast down and condemned, and
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Not so successful - India is less pro-USA now... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's been a huge transfer of wealth and know-how to India.
Thousands if not millions of jobs went to India.
India which buys Russian oil and weapons helping them avoid sanctions...
Not so sure it benefited the US overall...
Strongly pro-US countries should be preferred over other countries...
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Why aren't you blaming the companies who contracted out to India?
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Because if I put myself in their shoes, I would do the same thing. I can't see how they're making any sort of mistake.
Indeed, I routinely do the same thing they do, shopping by price. This set of tires costs $800, but that set costs $650 and its warranty is just as long. So I buy the $650 tires.
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Re:Not so successful - Israel is less pro-USA now (Score:2)
Haha (Score:3)
Indian Americans' median household income significantly outstrips that of white Americans
The paradox of immigrants. Somehow both lazy welfare recipients and top income earners. Somehow all criminals but succeeding in the American dream
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The comments should be good (Score:2)
*Sits back with cup of tea and waits*
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Honestly, that's where I sit on most divisive topics, especially when the US is involved. Except for the tea. Tea sucks. Seems like water that wants to be coffee, but can't commit.
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Probably because you're drinking terrible stale Lipton tea. This is the good stuff https://www.taylorsofharrogate... [taylorsofharrogate.com]
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Although I think tea sucks in general, I also know some teas suck much worse than others. :) For instance, I don't hate some varieties of Chinese Green Tea. But would I go two steps out if my way for it on a chilly winter night? Nope.
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Pedantry at its finest. Technically correct, and fundamentally useless. By this extension, every beverage is some version of flavoured water. So the definition is meaningless. But well done. :)
STEM Declines (Score:2)
Regardless of politics, STEM jobs have been declining for decades in America. The short sighted grants that lined specific pockets from both major parties never translated into the jobs that were promised. Outsourcing and importing these jobs also became problematic.
Something had to change eventually. We can only hope that this transition benefits everyone in the long run.
I've always disliked the program (Score:3)
Just in time (Score:2)
AI took my job.
False statue? (Score:2)
This guy seems to think the statue is false, is it papier-mÃché?
disagreeing with a religion is NOT racism (Score:2)
This isn't some kind of thing against people with Indian skin colors.
I'm sick of this "join this activist mob or die" mentality.
Current Anti-Indian sentiment ... (Score:2)
A few highly capable people will still emigrate to this c
The system was gamed! (Score:3)
⦠but not by the Indian immigrants themselves, but by their employers.
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Jesus it is almost 2026 and slashdot still cannot handle simple unicode?!
Caste system is what top MAGA is aiming for.. (Score:2)
Actually for me caste system is what top MAGA circles aim for...
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Re:No actual numbers or evidence in article (Score:5, Informative)
I have repeatedly seen the Republican party working to integrate Indians into their political apparatus.
This was only ever going to be temporary much like the gains made with hispanic voters and like that is already falling apart because the Republican foundation now is from their further right elements which are deeply xenophobic. Those folks are rejecting Vance because he's married to an Indian woman, they are turning against Vivek in his governors race.
"If you believe in normalizing hatred towards any ethnic group, you have no place in the conservative movement. If you believe in normalizing hatred against the Jews, blacks, whites, Indians, you have no place in the conservative movement". He then adds "if you believe that Hitler or Stalin are cool, you have no place in the conservative movement"."
That's the statement Vivek made that has got a lot of the right-wing's underpants in a kerfuffle. Let that one sink in.
Winner take all voting means (Score:2)
You just have to overwhelm them with propaganda. 90% of American Media is owned by billionaires and we saw them fully exercise that power last election when they covered up Donald Trump's dementia and Alzheimer's. They'll do it again in 2028. If Trump is able to say words he is probably going to get a third term. Althou
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I doubt the man will be alive by 2028 and he's already backed off the third term talk although if he is alive I imagine they will try.
That's why I bring up the Vance point, they seem strong and confident about him but really the animosity towards Vance is building because that man is a phony and people can smell it. Ironically I think the person most capable of picking up the mantle of Trump's populism is in fact Vivek but luckily the party now is far too cowardly to confront the xenophobic elements they'v
Re:Pure Racism (Score:5, Insightful)
How are they supposed to make a good profit when the executives suck up as much of the profits as they can while paying the employees as little as they can?
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>Look, no one steals jobs
Several million citizens of the First Nations would like to have a word . . .
Your post is a neoliberal screed that exemplifies the social ignorance of the 1990s-2010s, whereby the decoupling of finance from material wealth of the world displaced many people of all stripe and ability and sacrificed the individual to expansion (to be distinguished from growth-which implies some kind of progress, where is expansion is simiply that, getting bigger, without necessarily getting better.
Re: Pure Racism (Score:2)
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Whether I would do the same thing in someone else's circumstances has no bearing on whether that thing is right or wrong.
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By that same token, having access to cheap foreign labor is a privilege, not a right. When abused, people can and will resort to collective bargaining techniques in order to protect their livelihoods, and that includes union formation and political lobbying to limit the availability of cheap foreign labor.
The door swings both ways.
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Look, no one steals jobs.
This is a semantic word game akin to arguing nobody steals music they illegally copy it. Language belongs to everyone, definition of words are very much dependent upon the context they are used. It is unlikely people don't understand the underlying conceptual differences between things like actual theft, stolen music and stolen jobs even if the same word is used to describe all of them.
Jobs are a privileged not a right.
H1B visas are a privilege not a right. Every government in the world has every right to selfishly manage inflows of fore
Re: Great news (Score:3)