'Foreign Tech Workers Are Avoiding Travel To the US' (computerworld.com) 224
In an opinion piece for Computerworld, columnist Steven Vaughan-Nichols argues that restrictive visa policies and a hostile border climate under the Trump administration are driving foreign tech workers, researchers, and conference speakers away from the U.S. The result, he says, is a gradual shift of talent, events, and long-term innovation toward more welcoming regions such as Europe, Canada, and Asia. From the report: I go to a lot of tech conferences -- 13 in 2025 -- and many of those I attend are outside the U.S.; several are in London, one is in Amsterdam, another in Paris, and two in Tokyo. Wherever I went this past year, when we weren't talking about AI, Linux, the cloud, or open-source software, the top non-tech topic for non-Americans involved the sweeping changes that have occurred since President Donald J. Trump returned to office last January. The conversations generally ended with something like this: "I'm not taking a job or going to a conference in the United States."
Honestly, who can blame them? Under Trump, America now has large "Keep Out!" and "No Trespassing!" signs effectively posted. I've known several top tech people who tried to come to the U.S. for technology shows with proper visas and paperwork, but were still turned away at the border. Who wants to fly for 8+ hours for a conference, only to be refused entry at the last minute, and be forced to fly back? I know many of the leading trade show organizers, and it's not just me who's seeing this. They universally agree that getting people from outside the States to agree to come to the U.S. is increasingly difficult. Many refuse even to try to come. As a result, show managers have begun to close U.S.-based events and are seeking to replace them with shows in Europe, Canada, and Asia. [...]
Once upon a time, everyone who was anyone in tech was willing to uproot their lives to come to the U.S. Here, they could make a good living. They could collaborate, publish, and build companies in jurisdictions that welcome them, and meet their peers at conferences. Now, they must run a gauntlet at the U.S. border and neither a green card nor U.S. citizenship guarantees they won't be abused by the federal government. Trump's America seems bound and determined to become a second-rate tech power. His administration can loosen all the restrictions it wants on AI, but without top global talent, U.S. tech prowess will decline. That's not good for America, the tech industry or the larger world.
Honestly, who can blame them? Under Trump, America now has large "Keep Out!" and "No Trespassing!" signs effectively posted. I've known several top tech people who tried to come to the U.S. for technology shows with proper visas and paperwork, but were still turned away at the border. Who wants to fly for 8+ hours for a conference, only to be refused entry at the last minute, and be forced to fly back? I know many of the leading trade show organizers, and it's not just me who's seeing this. They universally agree that getting people from outside the States to agree to come to the U.S. is increasingly difficult. Many refuse even to try to come. As a result, show managers have begun to close U.S.-based events and are seeking to replace them with shows in Europe, Canada, and Asia. [...]
Once upon a time, everyone who was anyone in tech was willing to uproot their lives to come to the U.S. Here, they could make a good living. They could collaborate, publish, and build companies in jurisdictions that welcome them, and meet their peers at conferences. Now, they must run a gauntlet at the U.S. border and neither a green card nor U.S. citizenship guarantees they won't be abused by the federal government. Trump's America seems bound and determined to become a second-rate tech power. His administration can loosen all the restrictions it wants on AI, but without top global talent, U.S. tech prowess will decline. That's not good for America, the tech industry or the larger world.
Is the US winning yet? (Score:4, Insightful)
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In their minds we are winning. This is exactly what they voted for.
Re:Is the US winning yet? (Score:5, Interesting)
And tech titans don't need to go to conferences, except to keynote at their own vanity-bro love fests held in achingly expensive venues.
The sheer volume of rah-rah overcomes any sanity, and the "business partners" all tote the company line. They remind me of political conventions, except the food might be better.
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Then why do those same tech titans keep sponsoring every conference I go to...?
Are you under the impression that they only sell technology they developed in-house or something?
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Re: Is the US winning yet? (Score:5, Insightful)
The risk of being rejected, imprisoned and questioned due to posts on (a)social media or contents in your electronic devices is too high.
"I see that you liked a post of Trump as Big Brother - that'll earn you three months in prison"
Re: Is the US winning yet? (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, we're looking at pulling our manufacturing out of the US because its just too much bullshit and risk right now. Add that to the tariffs making the US about the most expensive place to manufacture on the planet right now, our international staff getting monstered at the airports and the fact that the economy seems to be an absolute basket case at the moment, yeah the risks are too high. And thats not even touching on the fact that we cant bring commercial-in-confidence information into the country because ICE keep fucking with peoples computers, its just a hostile environment for business.
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That is complete bullshit. We have(or had), a good information network until Trump alienated our allies around the world while making verbal love to the dictators in Russia, China, and North Korea as well as others. When our former allies stop giving information to the USA to stop terrorism because the USA is no longer reliable, everyone loses.
If you think violating freedom of speech is good, then you are in the wrong country, and you would be better off supporting Putin in Russia.
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The US is currently filtering out far more than just terrorists. Anyone who has expressed anything negative about the current administration risks being denied entry. I have a couple of British friends who were stopped and interrogated for 5 hours (both highly paid US professors in their 60s - not terrorists at all, though perhaps a little too lefty). They are likely to leave the country once their contract finishes. Who would want to continue to put up with that? Their story isn't unique and the reason why
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Nazism 2.0.
Yes, people get imprisoned for social media post. (Score:3)
Who has been imprisoned because of social media posts?
Well, examples include https://www.thefire.org/news/l... [thefire.org]
https://www.tennessean.com/sto... [tennessean.com]
https://www.brennancenter.org/... [brennancenter.org]
But so far the US has only just started requiring a search of all social media posts by foreign visitors. Detaining people at the border has a far lower bar for suspicion, does not require a warrant, and ICE detention is not as easily challenged.
Re:Yes, people get imprisoned for social media pos (Score:5, Informative)
ICE detention is not as easily challenged.
The Atlantic has a great article [theatlantic.com] about related issues.
The upshot is that there are two crucial Supreme Court rulings from 1984 and 2022 that have given ICE incredible power.
Sandra Day O'Connor's 1984 opinion in INS v Lopez-Mendoza found that the exclusionary rule that applies to all other police searches does not apply to ICE. For all other cases, if the police violate your fourth amendment rights and by doing so find something incriminating, that evidence and all evidence that was subsequently found because of it ("fruit of the poisoned tree") is inadmissible. But O'Connor and the four justices who sided with her in the 5-4 opinion found that 4A violations by INS (now ICE) were not widespread and that INS had taken reasonable steps to deter 4A violations by its officers, so INS was free to use illegally-obtained evidence.
The second opinion was written by Clarence Thomas in the 2022 Egbert v Boule, and makes ICE basically immune from any possibility of lawsuits for damages after unlawful searches, detentions or excessive force. So if you are abused by ICE you can't recover damages. Not that being able to sue them later would make it better, really, but since ICE will face no consequences they have no reason to try to behave lawfully.
Not mentioned in the article is the fact that the Trump administration has found several ways to make habeus corpus challenges difficult and slow. They move detainees around and provide no information about their whereabouts, so no family members or lawyers can figure out where to file. They often even move detainees during proceedings so that the court with which the petition was filed loses jurisdiction, forcing petitioners to locate the detainee again and refile. This often takes days because ICE often "fails" to update the detainee location database, even though courts have ordered them to.
I can't blame people for being concerned about visiting the US. I get nervous about going through immigration and customs myself, and I'm a US Citizen with Global Entry pre-clearance. I've never had the slightest problem and in fact the last few times I've barely had to slow down when walking through (a brief pause at the kiosk for it to take my picture and tell me to proceed, followed by the CBP agent waving me past saying "You're good Shawn" as I approach the podium), but I know how wrong it could go, and how little recourse I'd have, even as a US citizen wealthy enough to keep an attorney on retainer.
Having all the evidence in the world that you should be allowed to enter and having a lawyer ready to act does no good if you're locked in a series of cells around the country, unable to contact anyone or be located by your lawyer, knowing all the while that ICE can do whatever they like to you, with no consequences. Yeah, I can totally understand people just deciding to nope out.
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Similar is happening in the UK and we don't even (yet) have a nutty government, only an incompetent one without a plan.
The NHS has relied on foreign born doctors, 42% of all doctors were born outside the UK. While there was a surge in recruitment after Brexit but that has now slowed.
Doctors in the NHS are well paid when compared to the UK population as a whole but not well paid when compared to doctors in other countries. Australia and the U
Re:Is the US winning yet? (Score:5, Interesting)
They think they are winning and winning big.
That the opposite is happening is beyond their non-existent capabilities to fact-check. Kind of reminds me of the COVID-deniers that were in the last stages of dying from it but still claiming it was not real. The mental capabilities of average people are atrociously bad, with the exception of really good skills at delusion.
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They think they are winning and winning big.
That the opposite is happening is beyond their non-existent capabilities to fact-check. Kind of reminds me of the COVID-deniers that were in the last stages of dying from it but still claiming it was not real. The mental capabilities of average people are atrociously bad, with the exception of really good skills at delusion.
Speaking of COVID conspiracy nuts... weren't we all meant to be dead now from vaccine hurties by now? Or is this something that keeps being pushed back like the Rapture.
They said we'd be in perpetual lockdowns... these were the first things to go.
They said we'd have to show vaccine passports everywhere for life... these never had more than a token effort before being forgotten.
They said it would just go away... It got worse before we developed a vaccine.
On that last point, it's still killing antivax
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Is there anything these nutters got right?
I can think of one thing: They dialed the stupid high enough to keep going, but low enough to not wipe themselves out. That is probably just random dumb luck though.
No kidding... (Score:5, Interesting)
I certainly wouldn't feel safe setting foot in the US. And I definitely don't feel welcomed.
But hey, it's good for Canada. We've already poached quite a few top-talent academics from the US and I suspect more will come.
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The USA wasn't too welcoming even before the unsolicited-finger-in-your-ass service known as TSA was established back after the 9/11 Dubbya security fiasco. Now that it is a self-certified banana republic run by a demented lunatic with delusions of grandeur, which the world is starting to successfully route around, there's absolutely no reason to set foot there.
Re:No kidding... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think the biggest thing to watch for would be CES. Many companies from around the world fly in to show their wares there. It's basically only Las Vegas that could host it given how big it is, and it's booked years in advance. It would be interesting to see how empty it becomes and if they have to reduce the size because fewer people can exhibit, show and attend.
Also, I think many of the bigger shows will start moving outside the US just to pick up the international crowd.
This is horrendously bad for the US, because if the international attendees go to the non-US exhibition, US exhibitors will start to go there as well, and soon it will become established - why have the US convention when everyone is just going to to the non-US one again anyways?
Eventually the international locations will be where the event happens and convention cities like Las Vegas would lose out. I suppose they could always invite the physicists back (they were banned because they didn't gamble).
The problem is habit forming - it doesn't take long to form new traditions and now you've lost your crowd for good.
Watch things like CES, then watch what happens to conventions that have a huge international component to them like BlackHat for DefCon which may have to split up.
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Absolutely and Vegas is already suffering after COVID and a ton of self inflicted wounds from the resorts companies. A shrinking CES does not bode well.
At the same time that's the political divide in a nutshell. Trump turned NV 51-48. Clark county where Vegas is and is like 60% of the votes went to Harris 50-48 but all but one other county sparse as they are went red by like 70+. Will the decline of the tourism industry affect whatever happens in central Nevada?
Far too late to avoid a lot of negative c
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But hey, it's good for Canada. We've already poached quite a few top-talent academics from the US and I suspect more will come.
Considering Canada still has a ban on foreigners buying houses, much higher taxes (and prices in general) than the US, and increasingly overcrowded health care system - I think that wish coming true is very unlikely.
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There is no Canadian ban on foreigners buying houses if the foreigners have a right to live in Canada and plan on living in the houses.
Taxes in Canada are higher than the US... though by the time you add in medical insurance premiums, the difference is much less. And corporate taxes in Canada are not much higher than in the US at all. (I ran a company in Canada for 19 years, and not having to pay expensive health insurance for employees gave us a big competitive advantage over US companies.)
Our health
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I certainly wouldn't feel safe setting foot in the US. And I definitely don't feel welcomed.
But hey, it's good for Canada. We've already poached quite a few top-talent academics from the US and I suspect more will come.
This is something that concerns me in the UK... at some point the tipping point is going to be reached and Skilled Americans will start looking for work outside the US with in increasing numbers with increasing desperation as employment opportunities dry up stateside. We could be looking at a refugee crisis from a former 1st world country if Trump goes on too long.
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The article does not make the point for you:
"As of the latest year-in-review data from December 2025, CBSA reported 18,969 total removals for the year, with detailed breakdowns available up to October 31 showing 18,785."
Moreover, canada won't deport you or prevent entry in the country because you posted against Trudeau...Not many would be left in country.
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To try and equate Canadian immigration with whats going on in the US is complete and utter bullshit and you know it. CBSA is nothing like ICE, jesus christ.
Re:Canadas definition of safe. (Score:4, Informative)
The article you cite says that Canada had 8,982 deportations, 5,821 exclusions, and 3,982 self-departures. For comparison, the USA, which is about 9 times larger, according to ICE had 605,000 deportations, about 1.6 million exclusions and self-departures, and another 525,000 or so deportation orders.
So you're right, the data here is quite relevant. It shows that the USA is deporting people at at least 10 times the per capita rate of Canada.
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The tech people who can afford these conferences are also the peoples with disposable income that tend to travel a lot. I certainly won't be traveling to the US any time soon, I'd rather fly 12 hours to go to Asia or Europe.
Now asking for social media, email, phone numbers? (Score:5, Insightful)
I travelled to conferences in the US early 2000s. I had to fill that paper saying I'm not a Communist so I can enter the country. "First they came for the Communists, and I said nothing, because I am not a Communist." But now my news say that from February 2026, visitors will be asked to provide social media login to check the posts, list of phone numbers used in the past 5 years, list of email addresses. And that's simply no, and absolute and definitive no, whatever the reason for the travel.
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The stasi were at least discrete about this type of thing.
Re: Now asking for social media, email, phone numb (Score:3)
It is also noteworthy that the Stasi did not have the technical means to process all the data it collected. This has changed.
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Yep. Some of it was bad even back then. Some people that invited me even got me an official invitation letter from the DHS because they feared I might have problems otherwise. But these days? It is like they throw a dice on whether to let you in or not.
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..it should be about risk management. There should be certainty before arrivalBetter to remove guesswork out out the equation.
Gee, if only America took this common sense advice for the last five years instead of hiring an Open Border Czar who ensured the border stayed open by never visiting it.
It’s as if we simply cannot imagine how we got here. Oh wait. I almost forgot. We don’t have to imagine. At all.
Troll tags, don’t change Truth.
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I voted with my wallet (Score:3)
These five words in my head scream, (Score:2)
The result, he says, is a gradual shift of talent, events, and long-term innovation toward more welcoming regions such as Europe, Canada, and Asia
"Are we finding out yet?"
I'm a professional in Vancouver. (Score:2)
None of my friends have interest in going to America, for at least three years or less ( on the day it finally happens! )
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Or are you just saying, "we're so far to the left that we won't even visit a center-right nation"?
Oh, I can predict a response here so let me add, "so far to the left that we can't even recognize where the center or center-right are. Even center-left looks 'fascist'' to us."
Or, am I be
The irony (Score:2)
Trump hands over political power to all these 'tech lords', and the outcome is actual tech people are avoiding the country.
I completely relate to the post (Score:3, Interesting)
I am Mexican. Oh, but I do "look European", and have traveled all over the world, and have a quite good level of English, and hold a PhD, and have a good job with 20+ years of stability, and what not. I have been several times to the USA, to cities all over the map. And I have a valid USA visa. I know that I would have no problem visiting. Still, no way. ... ...And I'm sure all this hatred and isolationism will come back and bite them. In many aspects, the USA has ceded terrain to other world powers (mostly China), and is no longer #1 for innovation, science or computing.
I got my visa (and used it, years ago) because there's always an interesting conference that happens there. There is also a good chance of finding good flights elsewhere that has a layover in the USA.
But no, for several years, I have decided I am not setting foot there. Who needs to go to the USA, frankly? Even interesting tech and academic conferences are leaving the USA, so I'm not missing out so much by sticking to countries whose politicians don't promise to make me feel unwelcome.
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China is full of crap. Stop believing the propaganda. We're not isolationist, we want other countries to contribute to supporting the global status quo.
Not just tech workers, tourists as well. (Score:2)
As beautiful as the US is, the next time I fly over the Atlantic, it will most likely be to visited Canada instead, unless the US government *really* makes a serious effort to be much more welcoming to European tourists than it is now.
Re: Not just tech workers, tourists as well. (Score:2)
Absolutely, the US are trying really hard to make everyone feel unwelcome, they are succeeding and so everybody gets what they want if nobody visits the US.
Happy I didnt move to the US (Score:2, Interesting)
I considered moving there in the 90s. I worked at bell labs at the time, partially in Europe, partially in the US (Massachusets).
It looked attractive back then, but already "risky", (I had a wife and 2 very small kids, and heard of issues with health insurance from colleagues).
Then we considered Canada, which shared some of the risk, but less of the benefits (low taxes, high standard of living). I visited it looking for work and finding out how live there would be, and I found it totally dissapointing.
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It was always a harsh process, now it's too much (Score:3)
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Brain drain is a thing (Score:3)
Small correction: (Score:3)
*People* are avoiding travel to the US.
Noone wants to visit a country that has that kind of idiocracy going on and being supported by half of the voters.
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Sorry for the inconvenience (Score:2, Insightful)
It's going to take ten years to fix the mess Biden made in four. The current judicial habit of letting the felons go early if they were incarcerated at all isn't helping.
One example, note the article is sanitized to avoid mentioning race and prior convictions. The news media is complicit in the problem.
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqZyz-Hr0Rk"
Fale Pea, 42, is charged with first-degree assault, which includes a deadly weapon enhancement. Pea was armed with a wooden board that had a screw through one end
Re:People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:5, Interesting)
The logical fallacy you are making is called "False choice".
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technically it's 'false dichotomy' but that's just a fancy way of saying 'false choice' anyway.
This is for whoever modded you flamebait. I hope they spend their time crying about how nobody will 'debate' them.
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Well then do tell us why it's bad now but was asked for previously.
You've just repeated the same fallacy.
Re:People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:5, Insightful)
I am not American, but even here where I live it seems that the goal is to get everyone possible in from abroad to replace me. I see myself put last in the country I was born in. What's even worse is that I regularly outperform those who are given jobs with high salaries in every possible aspect, yet I'm treated as an "inconvenience" as I go against the agenda. I've had several times in my career where I clean up the mess left by much more expensive "developers" at a fraction of their pay, and told to just cope when I state this is unfair. It's been like this since 2020 and it doesn't seem to improve. Why does it seem like the goal is just to destroy?
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Re: People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:2)
If reality matches your description of it, there's a good chance you would be better off with a different employer or even self-employed.
Re:People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:5, Informative)
H1-B reform could have been done without blatant human rights abuse at the border, illegal mass deportations without due process by masked federal agents, and threats to the sovereignty of formerly allied nations.
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H1-Bs aren't affected by anything happening on the border, nor are they affected by mass deportations.
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I don't think so, the country has tried to reform H1B for almost 2 decades and nothing ever improves due to corruption. Sometimes a drastic breakup is what's required to bring change into a broken system.
Re: People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:2)
Re: People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a false choice, INS agents didn't even used to be armed. I would bet you there's a way to ID people without a secret police force with $100B and a licence to do human rights violations.
And there's no hiding it, the nations social media accounts are open about the intentions, it's performative cruelty. That's the shit other nations see and wonder what the fuck happened. Seriously, that shit is inexcusable and shameful.
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Law enforcement is not a human rights violation. Border enforcement is not a human rights violation.
No one here is complaining about law enforcement or border enforcement. They are complaining about specifically the opposite: the law of the United states *NOT* being upheld by the police / ICE agents, and the international laws the USA has signed on to *NOT* being upheld by border forces.
Both are human rights violations as those rights were enshrined in your laws dipshit (I don't normally call people names, but fuck me you deserve it today for your post, your post is not only stupider than normal, it's out
Re: People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:2)
GGP wrote that arresting lawbreakers cannot generally be done on the honor system alone. I assume that everyone here agrees on that, you included. The other thing is, agents of the state can be part of that group of lawbreakers, including while doing their job of law enforcement, which is defined within a legal framework. How do you suggest that we arrest the masked agents who break the law while masked, if they cannot be identified?
Re: People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:3)
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What does any of that have to do with the story?
Re:People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:5, Informative)
Replying again because Mar-a-Lago applied for 170 temporary foreign workers this year, a record. https://www.palmbeachpost.com/... [palmbeachpost.com]
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Guess they can't find any hard working MAGA fans to mow the lawns and serve well done steaks.
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Replying again because Mar-a-Lago applied for 170 temporary foreign workers this year, a record. https://www.palmbeachpost.com/... [palmbeachpost.com]
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Guess they can't find any hard working MAGA fans to mow the lawns and serve well done steaks.
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Re: People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:3)
You need an h1b when you speak at a conference?
Re:People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:4, Interesting)
What on earth does your question have to do with the article? Or did you just feel like promoting Trump for no reason?
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For years people here on Slashdot have complained about H1-B abuse and the need to fix the program abuses that allowed companies to use it to cut costs and lay off Americans. So are you happy they are tightening the program, focusing it on experienced hires, and raising the cost to employers? Or is it bad because Trump?
If you are a nurse, you will resent the US importing nurses. If you are a brick layer, you will resent imported bricklayers. Ditto truck drivers, etc. of course, these policies tend not t
Re: People here want H1-B reform, right? (Score:2)
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For years people here on Slashdot have complained about H1-B abuse and the need to fix the program abuses
H1-B abuse has nothing whatesoever to do with harassing and turning away foreign citizens coming to the US for conferences.
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And send everyone who is not licking the orange shitgibbon boots into a psychiatric institution like the "very smart guy" does in russia? You trumptards are really the worst kind of people.
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Sure, keep believing that. The world will move on.
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The biggest and most influential confs are all in the US
Maybe (not true in my area but fair point, it's the case for most areas), but it's actual corridor talk right now in the world outside of the US, people think twice before travelling. I have a collaboration where students can be offered a stay at a top US university and I now see students losing interest and refusing something that used to be a dream offer.
Re:Biggest confs are all in the US..? (Score:5, Informative)
yeah, no. The best conference were always international in tech. Maybe more often in north america, but they always have been rotating international locations.
I attended 3 conference this year. And the foreign attendance was half of what it usually was. Steering committees of conferences I have talked to are looking into non US venues for all but one (which is by designa US based conference.)
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Allow me to help. The summary used words like "gradual" and "long-term". It took decades for America to build its position of leadership in the world. The slide into irrelevance will take years.
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Your information is outdated. This was true in 2024, but is not true anymore in 2025. Too many conferences had top researchers stopped or harassed at the border or unwilling to even try to enter the US. Yes, it takes a bit for alternate venues to come up, but the US as the place for international tech conferences is done for.
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When the damage Trump has caused becomes too obvious and the US starts to really fail, things are going to get very dangerous. Wars start over crap like this.
I wonder at what point should Democrats have understood that wars start and continue under DEI incompetence? Was it before or after you voted for it?
You may stop pretending that Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine, didn’t happen under President Autopen and the Open Boder Czar now. If not, America might stop pretending we don’t need to medicate people for long-TDS.
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Personally, I don't want to see another civil war. That was the bloodiest war we have ever fought, and we shouldn't do it again.
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Who would win? Nobody. The US would be destroyed.
And a blue-haired gender queer with an RPG is just as deadly as a redneck with an RPG.
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Mexico is safer than the US at least I can avoid the criminals there
Bwahahahaha! You'd also choose the bear in the woods, right?
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Try yelling at the cartels and see how that goes.
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Mexico is safer than the US at least I can avoid the criminals there, pretty hard to avoid the so criminals in the US since they wear government uniforms.
If you’re so confident, you’d share your location with the class to prove you’re already in Mexico.
You know, that safe place. Where the carte, er I mean “police” wear uniforms.
Dont forget your brib, er I mean extra cash for “tips”.
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Right, because sending Americans to third world countries to make them better has worked out so well for us in the past.
Re:send them all back (Score:4, Insightful)
Troll, satire or terminally stupid? Hard to say.
In actual reality, the US, like any high-tech nation, needs a lot more talented people than it can produce itself. Not letting them in just does one thing: It makes them a _former_ high-tech nation. This abject stupidity is present in other high-tech nations as well, but there, saner voices typically prevail.
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if every nation needs more talented people than they can produce where do they come from? lol that makes no sense.
That does indeed make no sense. Why does it not make sense? Because your statement is a different one that mine. I wrote "high-tech nation", you wrote "nation". I am sure if you try really hard you can spot the difference between the two things.
As to you drivel regarding IQ, are you a fascist or racist or equally dumb asshole? Because in actual reality, IQ is close to 100 in India, same as any other larger country after cultural factors are taken into account. The number you quote seems to be from the "Ulst
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The numbers this cretin claims are false. See my response higher up.
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we need to develop our own talent
How do you do that when your most important elections are determined, among others, by religious radicalism and a stance against science?
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Trump is a jerk, and I can say that.
You can say it on Slashdot. If you say it on Facebook and you need to enter the US for a conference, you might be denied entry.
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You are completely delusional. I live in the UK and can state categorically that bacon remains a publicly celebrated and much-loved food. You don’t go to jail for saying you like it, and the fact you think that someone does should be incredibly embarrassing for you, as it demonstrates your endless credulity. Go watch a Fallow video on how to make an English breakfast, bacon and black pudding included, instead.
https://youtu.be/UEUAHI0AZu4?s... [youtu.be]