Israel Deploys World's First Drone Defense Laser (tomshardware.com) 173
Israel has operationally deployed Iron Beam, a 100,000-watt laser air-defense system capable of shooting down drones, rockets, and mortars at negligible per-shot cost. According to Tom's Hardware, it marks the first real-world deployment of a high-energy laser as part of a modern, multi-layered missile defense network. From the report: The Iron Beam is a short-range line-of-sight laser interceptor that is extremely cheap to run and, therefore, perfectly suited for intercepting low-cost, high-volume threats. According to the official Israeli announcement, Iron Beam systems have "successfully intercepted rockets, mortars, and UAVs."
A complex mix of government, military, scientific, and commercial interests were responsible for the research and development of the Iron Beam laser system. Central to the Iron Beam are "an advanced laser source and a unique electro-optical targeting system, enabling the interception of a wide range of targets at an enhanced operational range, with maximum precision and superior efficiency," boasted the press release by Israel's MoD. Moreover, it works "at a negligible marginal cost, which constitutes the laser system's primary advantage."
We don't get much more by way of technical details, perhaps understandably. However, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems execs heralded the system's "unique adaptive optics technology," in what it calls "the world's most advanced laser-based system for intercepting aerial threats." Its operational debut "marks the beginning of the era of high-energy laser defense," they claimed.
A complex mix of government, military, scientific, and commercial interests were responsible for the research and development of the Iron Beam laser system. Central to the Iron Beam are "an advanced laser source and a unique electro-optical targeting system, enabling the interception of a wide range of targets at an enhanced operational range, with maximum precision and superior efficiency," boasted the press release by Israel's MoD. Moreover, it works "at a negligible marginal cost, which constitutes the laser system's primary advantage."
We don't get much more by way of technical details, perhaps understandably. However, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems execs heralded the system's "unique adaptive optics technology," in what it calls "the world's most advanced laser-based system for intercepting aerial threats." Its operational debut "marks the beginning of the era of high-energy laser defense," they claimed.
Wow (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead of talking about their new laser, lets talk about the genocide and war crimes Israel have committed against the people in Gaza. 70,000 dead, including 20,000 children in two years. Many more in the preceding years.
Nearly 40 aid organisations will no longer be permitted to operate in Gaza come January 1st.
Israel wants land. Israel will starve and kill all Gazans to get that land. Land that was never theirs.
I put it to you that Benjamin Netanyahu is in the same league of mass-murdering evil leaders as Adolph Hitler, Stalin, etc.
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Not weird
https://substack.com/@tritapar... [substack.com]
Police: If you are in support of Palestine, then you are breaching conditions and you can be arrested.
Protester: And if we are in support of Israel, we can stay?
Police: Yes. Yes.
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I have never heard about this issue. It’s weird there isn’t protest march etc etc
followed by a list of places and methods by which I am reminded of the issue EVERY SINGLE DAY, I thought the sarcasm would be enough. Apparently not. I don’t know of a single issue that has a more prolific and pervasive presence in daily life.
Your quote is also ridiculous: supporting Palestine is totally fine. However, supporting a proscribed group that is illegal, even if deliberately uses innocent words Palestine Action as its moniker. We can debate all day about whether the group sho
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Instead of talking about their new laser, lets talk about the genocide and war crimes Israel have committed against the people in Gaza.
This is nerd news. Unless the dead are powering the laser I'd prefer to talk about the laser.
Re:Wow (Score:4, Informative)
https://www.un.org/unispal/doc... [un.org]
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Most genocides don't include an offer to stop as soon as the other side returns hostages. This is at the most an "easily negotiated against genocide". I understand the urge to hold Jews to an impossible double standard (and there's a word for that) but imagine if it were your loved ones being kidnapped and tortured, and what you wouldn't be willing to do to get them back.
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yes, lets ignore everything Israel did and still do, our radicals are soo nice!! look how bad Hamas is and ignore our own bad actors and actions, after all, we are Divine, we can be wrong, right?!
Be human, get out of your shell and go help people in need on the other side, like you would like someone to help you if you were in need
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you mean the illegaly occupied territories? that's their land.
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Antisemite detected, hamas has land? It should only have enough land to bury each one of them.
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How it is so easy to forget history and be blind by your own ideas (or social networks "selected" news)
First, money talks, all 4 countries had gains to make peace , go check the Egypt example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Second, US and UK pressures on both sides leaders allowed those peace treaty. Not that the populations in general actually did totally agreed with it (even in Isreal side)
Third and more important, there was a peace treaty between Israel and Palestine too... and both sides did accept it
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forgot to add, not only Hamas did mass shootings, Israel radicals also do it, yet in the USA (and most Europe, where i am), they are quickly forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
notice this text, to show how violence generate more violent and make radical look as heros:
"There was widespread condemnation of the massacre in Israel.[52] The Jewish Settler Council declared that the act was "not Jewish, not humane".[53] A poll found that 78.8% of Israeli adults condemned the Hebron massacre, while 3.6% praise
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But them a radical killed the peace leader of the Israel site, causing unrest in the Israel side, that in turn made a Idiot leader got enough votes and joined the Israel radicals to reach the power... that Idiot is a corrupt (by their own justice system) and slowly destroyed the peace treaty, placed a siege over the Palestine leader and he end dying (naturally? poison? either way since the siege, his health quickly declined). To finally kill the peace treaty, that Idiot did a "divide to conquer" and tried to remove power from the Palestine side (Palestinian Authority) so they could claim that a Palestine country or even group is impossible because they are divided and impossible to be rule themself. They sabotage Palestinian Authority as much as possible and promoted other groups (several of them Israel directly or indirectly funded) while always still causing all kind of problems, between assassinates and new land grabs in west bank ... as a side effect of this, they end promoting new groups and one of them was the Hamas. So indirectly, Israel radicals created Hamas and Hamas end kicking Palestinian Authority from Gaza, creating the planned of divided Palestine. After that, it is the radicals of both sides that dictate the events, moderate sides are sabotaged by their own radicals. To make things worse, the Idiot Israel leader, having justice problems, thinks that the best way to avoid them is to do a "all-in", winner takes it all bet, either he will be the "hero" that radicals will love or the most hated Israel leader (by both sides). With the Biden, he had not support for that "all-in", but with Trump, he knows he can do anything and Trump will support him no matter what, after all, Trump son is mostly a eco chamber for Israel radicals, it is easy to manipulate Trump. But there is no peace if one side win all and the other lose everything, this how we reach this situation, Palestine people have little to lose and that is the seed for radicals to gain power.
It sounds like you are trying to blame everything on Netenyahu, but using a lot of words to do it.
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Not just him, his party and the Israel radicals too. THEY are the ones to blame for the failed process. This was hard already without them sabotaging everything!!
The Israel radicals started the process by killing the main peace leader in the Israel side and doing massacres. PLA was already under pressure internally. Them you put a Idiot in power that makes everything to sabotage PLA and keep supporting the radicals actions. They knew that PLA position was hard, yet they pushed it even more by promoting othe
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Of course, i also blame Hamas and other Palestine radicals, but they are actually the end result of the Israel actions.
Everyone knew that the radicals of both side would make things hard. But instead of reducing their influence on both sides, the Israel actions gave power to both side radicals. Looking back, there was little that PLA could do to stop the Palestine radicals from growing, yet on the Israel side, more and more actions were done that fueled both side radicals. The only way for the Palestine rad
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Palestinians however have chosen war over piece consistently for 90 years.
Wrong. Israel funded Hamas's attacks on Israel because Israel is the one who has consistently chosen violence over peace. Israel has literally never been one of the good guys at any point in it's existence.
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The evidence says otherwise.
Netanyahu has bragged repeatedly about making sure Hamas gets funded because it's part of his strategy on Gaza. The war criminal has outright told us that he's a war criminal, on public television, and you're in favor of his genocide.
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who started to kill people first
Israel.
All the responsibility is on the side that started it
Israel.
Trying to shift the responsibility to Israel is
correct, because they are, and always have been, responsible.
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If the idea that one side started it is moronic then it seems the the idea that the other side started it is moronic too.
> The important part is who started to kill people first.
Why do you think you get to decide who and when the escalation started?
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Like some terrorists entered people's homes and killed a lot of people who did nothing wrong.
You're talking about Israeli settlers, right? Who have been doing this since the 1940s. They ran newspaper ads promoting their literal self-described colonialism. Or maybe you're talking about the Jews who wrote themselves a book promising them those lands 3,000 years ago and then proceeded to try to take them from the other people who were already living there, and who have outnumbered them throughout all of history. Which, by the way, you think began on October 7, 2023. I don't think a two year old has an
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This is deeply ahistorical.
First of all, let's admit that the problem is one of the West's creation. Great Britain and the USA and all of Europe are to blame for the existence of the state of Israel. But Israel has consistently and unambigously been a settler-colonial state for its entire existence, has broken international law for its entire existence, and has been the aggressor for its entire existence. It's a religious ethno-state that exists only to commit genocide against Palestinians.
So 1940s Europe a
The irony is the problem (Score:3)
You might think that Israel, above other nations, would be sympathetic to an ethic minority that fled their homes in fear, were rounded up into ghettos, and then kept there by military force.
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Would under seige be language more to your liking?
They didn't have free import or export ability, so it definitely feels like a seige.
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Under siege for 16 years because the occupants keep firing missiles into Israel.
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no, actually to all "fucking" maps drawn during our lifetime!! Don't let your social network news blind you about the facts
I think no one (ignore the radicals) wants Israel to stop exist and all that is back to be Palestine, nor the 1947 map being possible anymore.
But the Oslo Accord is what (almost) everyone accept as the map of both Israel and Palestine:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... [wikimedia.org]
Notice that most of West bank are actually under control of Israel, the settlements were a big issue to be solved in the
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"Invade" is a very gentle word to describe what they did.
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It is quite unclear who invaded what and on whose orders.
Hamas is a product of Israel. It was brought into existence with a lot of help by the very same Zionist factions of Israeli politics that rule Israel today. They did so with two goals in mind. One, to dilute the influence of the Arafat political movement, and two, to create a continuous disruption of the peace process, which the fans of the Eretz Israel lebensraum policies (of which the current PM, mr. nazi putinyahu is a prominent one) have always be
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> It started when Palestinians accepted Jews coming from Germany
Wooooow, such huge lies in such a short phrase.
There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" until the Egyptian terrorist Arafat invented the phrase decades after modern Israel was formed.
Gaza was just a random piece of Egypt until Egypt lost it during one of several wars initiated by Egypt in a sneak attack on Israel.
At what point prior to Israel's founding did Egypt "accept" the existence of Israel? That did not occur until decades later und
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well, by that definition, there is no Libano, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc
All that region was Ottoman Empire, later Control zones for France and UK, that later drawn lines in maps to create countries that made little sense
So all what you said is also a lie (and by the way, when UK drawn the lines in the map, most of the Palestine was not under Egypt influence, but Jordan, so another lie), so don't act like you are correct and everyone is a idiot. That region have a long history and trying to reduc
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Both sides stand down, retreat, go back to the OSLO Accord and start from there. International community should support both doing this, not be part of the problem (looking to you USA)
Promote the Palestinian Authority to regain control of Gaza and create the 2 states, so the Palestine side can do elections
Disband any settlement raised after the Oslo map as a base and making illegal any radical action (both sides), for restarting negotiating a new peace talk Having a federation between Israel and Palestine
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Both sides stand down, retreat, go back to the OSLO Accord and start from there
The PLA rejected the OSLO accords. Now what are you going to do?
Promote the Palestinian Authority to regain control of Gaza and create the 2 states,
The PLA rejected the 2 state solution.
so the Palestine side can do elections
When the Palestinians had elections in Gaza, Hamas killed all their rivals.
Do you have practical solutions for these problems, or is your plan just a cloud?
It's not an easy problem.
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> The PLA rejected the OSLO accords. Now what are you going to do?
Fix the points of disagreement I would suppose.
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Now what do you do?
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Phantom,
It seems your over simplifying the process, from Gemini:
"The Oslo Accords failed due to unresolved core issues (borders, Jerusalem, refugees), mutual distrust fueled by extremist violence (Hamas bombings, Israeli settler massacres), the assassination of Israeli PM Rabin, continued Israeli settlement expansion, weak Palestinian Authority (PA) leadership, and the breakdown of final status talks (like Camp David 2000). They created an interim framework with vague goals, but key final agreements never m
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In reality, after Oslo and the Palestinians rejected the two state solution, they decided to move forward anyway with the two state solution, even if the Palestinians didn't want it. Israel removed all settlements in Gaza, and there were elections which quickly devolved into authoritarianism.
The Palestinians didn't want a two state solution then, and from the Palestinians I've talked to,
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And yet, we have concrete evidence that isreal continued to expand into palestinian territory during this time, fueling Hamas, and encouraging the terrorism. Stop trying to make bullshit claims that Isreal is somehow clean in this situation.
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> You don't have to trust Gemeni
You can ask yourself and read the referenced links.
> you can hear [youtube.com] from someone who was there [youtube.com]
Doesn't help, I see the Clinton of then as more of a host than a negotiator, and the Clinton of now as someone with a biased narrative.
> The Palestinians didn't want a two state solution then, and from the Palestinians I've talked to, they still don't want that today
I don't like your "The palestinians", it is obviously an over simplification, and if
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things change, they may have rejected the 2 states in the past (due mostly by extremists still being too powerful in PLA AND the definition of the 2 states borders, always a hard point), but probably now are much more open to the 2 states...
Open the 2 states solution, yet without defining borders, to solve one problem at time and move thing slowly. Trying to give a carrot (2 states) with a catch (Israel takes what it already have, plus a huge amount of land for settlers, plus "security" zones, plus control
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but probably now are much more open to the 2 states...
Why do you think this? Go do actual research and find out what they think. It will be a much better use of your time.
It is easy to point fingers and say they rejected the 2 states
Yes, because they rejected the 2 states many times, and continue to do so today.
but the problem was that what was offered was not good enough, that is why OSLO was the start, not the full peace treaty.
Stop imaging things. If you don't look for facts, you will always be wrong. What was offered?
I know that many Israel people do want peace, also in the Palestine side.
How do you know this? Go search and do research. Find real facts and stop making things up.
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> Stop imagining things and pretending your imagination is fact.
i say exactly the same to you, just because you don't agree in everything do not make the opposite automatically false
>>but probably now are much more open to the 2 states...
>Why do you think this? Go do actual research and find out what they think. It will be a much better use of your time.
hey, the facts show that, you are the one ignoring them! PLA have been trying to get recognitions all over the place, they join several UN orga
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hey, the facts show that, you are the one ignoring them! PLA have been trying to get recognitions all over the place, they join several UN organization (where they have been accepted), they welcome international recognition of the Palestinian state and open embassy were they can.
Do you understand that wanting recognition is not the same as wanting two states?
the extended borders that Israel wants... of course PLA wants all land, so Israel, the acceptable solution is getting a middle ground
The PLA won't accept a two-state solution, they want Israel gone. Given how much you are defending the PLA, I think you want Israel gone, too.
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The radicals in PLA want Israel gone, just like most muslin around Israel (even against their own government/kings)
The moderated PLA and surrounding governments know that is impossible and accept that Israel do exists and is there to stay
The problem is exactly that, radical actions from Israel power the radicals in the muslin side (groups, countries, people) , stealing strength from the moderated people. ISIS exist because many muslin people feel they are being ignored and discarded. On the Israel side, rad
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They exist, the radical noise make them harder to notice, and even when they are noticed, they have weak positions and can even risk their life:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/0... [cnn.com]
Radicals are not just bad for the other side, they are also bad to their own side moderated people, as they don't accept any other option other than their own.
https://apnews.com/article/pal... [apnews.com]
notice:
Ahead of next week’s conference, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas wrote a letter to French President Emmanuel Macron (...) The
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Ahead of next week’s conference, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas wrote a letter to French President Emmanuel Macron (...) The letter condemns the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas attack that triggered the war and calls for a release of all hostages still held in Gaza.
If Abbas agrees to a two state solution, that will be a huge step forward and very encouraging.
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Oh, it's fucking hilarious. People cry genocide and then cry to keep the borders shut. With that in mind, it becomes clear that the left are insane liars, or the left are genocidal maniacs.
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Okay. Is it a Space Jew Laser?
Re: Feel free to ignore the facts.... (Score:5, Insightful)
No, they never offered anything official ... even though they knew for 99% certain that it would never be signed without a right of return. That 1% chance it would be signed meant Israel can not and will not offer anything real.
A slow motion ethnic cleansing of greater Israel (with maybe some speedup if there is a WW3) has and will continue to be the only plan which is politically acceptable in Israel, the rest is just distraction. That's not to say there aren't significant forces inside Israel for other solutions, but they are more easily distracted than the Greater Israelites.
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Wanting all of Palestine is understandable, I can understand that desire, I would have it too. It's not realistic.
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That's a completely separate issue. There was never an offer on paper to sign and there never will be until the US forces it, because the reality of Israeli politics is that it can't agree on anything less from the sea to the river.
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I merely rephrased what I said earlier, because you refused to address it.
You refused to address my point twice and added ad hominem to evasion.
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I feel like we need to step back occasionally and just notice how weird this whole situation is.
What other examples are there of states based on ethnicity that we find acceptable? The notion of an Islamic State would never be accepted, but a Jewish State? And isn't the implication that Jews need their own country because they can't get along with anyone else, as proven by the fact that Israel practices apartheid?
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The notion of an Islamic State would never be accepted, but a Jewish State?
There are multiple states where islam is the official state religion, such as saudi arabia.
There are also multiple states where christianity is the official state religion.
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That's not the same as declaring yourself an ethnostate, the homeland of the Muslims/Jews.
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Israel goes a lot further than that though. It allows any Jew to immigrate, and them helps them become a terrorist who steals a Palestinian home.
Then there is the apartheid.
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Like the UN, for example?
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Most of the people who use the term are just like you, they don't like what Israel is doing and reach for emotionally charged words, without understanding the situation. In reality, it doesn't help at all.
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Speaking of racism, you know what is really racist? Declaring yourself a Jewish state and then committing genocide in the name of Jews, while hiding behind Holocaust victims whenever people criticise that.
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Live action Missile Command? (Score:2)
All they need to do is put it on a track. Somehow I got the idea from the summary that they were drones with lasers but the image pretty clearly shows a heavy device mounted on a platform.
What are they going to do put one on every rooftop? Looks like there will still be a lot of shrapnel if they blow them up in the air.
Lasers are not the solution - another PR Stunt (Score:5, Interesting)
Lasers need a honking big power supply, think 20ft container size. Capacitors to drive it are juicy on radars, and the emf spike is triangulated. Overdriven lasers, wear out. There is a lifetime, and it is not huge, maybe a low as 100 shots. Weather and rain. 5km range, but 1 km would be more like it. Drones and glide bombs are SO cost effective in wiping out both tanks and container sized trucks. So basically expensive kit, restricted use. Probably best to guard Patriot like million bucks a pop systems. Best bang for buck is getting out of war and into peace.
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Peace isn't the goal. The goal is to keep ramping things up as an excuse for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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It's also designed to stop drones and glide bombs, so I don't know why you would pick those as your example threats.
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I suspect that there will be Iron Dome interceptors as backups if the lasers don't bring down the incoming munitions. If you can get 'em with the laser, great! You've saved a ton of money. But if not, send up a missile.
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So basically expensive kit, restricted use.
You described literally every piece of military kit.
Jewish Space Lasers again (Score:3)
https://www.aju.edu/events/jew... [aju.edu]
Last years battle (Score:3)
Extremely manouvrable ground skimming UAVs will be cheap tech in the near future. Unless you mount the laser on balloons, they won't do shit against those.
The war in the Ukraine has massively accelerated low cost weapon development.
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One thing a lot of people following Ukraine war seem to miss is that these small drones are awful in forested areas and urban areas. They're only as powerful as they are in large open spaces, like Eurasian steppe. Which is what covers much of front line in Ukraine.
This is one of the reasons why even minor towns have become near impenetrable, and most drone activity now focuses on attacking long and open supply routes to the front lines over actual front lines which tend to go through small patches of forest
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Become?
My country has more border with Russians than the rest of EU combined. Keeping dense forests with minimal road infrastructure on our eastern border has been a project of almost a century.
Because forests don't just stop drones. They're also really good at stopping armor. They're also really good at hiding troops from bombers.
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Just a couple hundred metres of forest along your border would make any land invasion extremely difficult. You would have to clear the forest first before moving vehicles through it and this makes them an immediate and easy target. Problem is that it takes ~20 years to get your trees to a suitable size.
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Only because they are not yet UAV. A couple cameras and a fast processor to stereo match them plus some AI pathfinding costs little hardware wise.
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I meant not yet autonomous.
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Autonomy doesn't protect you from branches or leaves.
You could probably build some really high end complex AI that can infer most of them with really high fidelity cameras and have a significantly lowered chance of hitting branches of getting leaves wrapped around rotors. At that point, this drone will not fly, because all the compute, cameras etc will likely exceed lifting capacity of the smaller quads even without any other payload, not to even mention power requirements.
And large ones are utterly helples
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And in related news... (Score:2)
Iran has announced the first deployment of its disco-ball drone.
500 people were critically injured during the first clash between the disco-ball drone and Israel's drone defense laser. Officials said "the collateral damage over a wide area was significant and is something we're working to reduce".
Fuck Israel (Score:2)
Fuck Israel
Gaza Discussion (Score:4)
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The striking difference is that Israel is strongly supported by the United States, while the other countries you listed are not.
For decades Israel has been a top recipient of US foreign aid. The US unilaterally vetoes every UN Security Council resolution that Israel doesn't like. The US directly provides military support to Israel.
On the other hand, Sudan, Myanmar, and China are either embargoed or sanctioned or both.
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I do not object to the discussion of Gaza. I object to the lack of attention of other atrocities, Sudan, Myanmar, Uyghurs, and various other humanitarian disasters. Israel is being held to a differentstandard than other countries. No one is calling for the erasure of China, or the Gulf states supporting Sudan.
Relatively few people are calling for the erasure or extermination of Israel. It seems like the two extremes calling for the extermination of either Israel or the Gaza are attempting to paint the other extreme as representing the viewpoint of all, when that is far from the truth. I think part of the reason why the PR defense of Israel is receiving so much animus is due to the idea that any criticism of Israel is equivalent to calling for the extermination of Israel. In reality, the vast majority defend t
That's just Evil (Score:2)
Can they at least freakin' attach them to freakin' sharks heads? Is that too much to ask?
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FWIW Marjorie never said "Jewish Space Lasers", and Sarah Palin never said "I can see Russia from my porch". I don't agree with either of them politically but I think it's important to be fair and not make bad faith attacks against them, "for the lulz".
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FWIW Marjorie never said "Jewish Space Lasers"
Indeed, she said "Rothschild space lasers". Which makes it so much different than the Nazi German propaganda talking about the Rothchilds as the emblem of the "Jewish plutocracy", right?
and Sarah Palin never said "I can see Russia from my porch"
Indeed, she said "You can see Russia from land in Alaska" as an answer to a question about her insights on the US relations with Russia at a time when putin had already declared a war on the West. So the original was about as shallow and ignorant as the rendering by Tina Fey, except that Fey's version was also funny.
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She didn't say that either, jackass. You're going on my troll list now which is a shame.
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She didn't say that either
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]
Oh, yes, she didn't, she just implied it, rather transparently :)))
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Tina Fey was better.
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Yes, she was great.
But the best Paylin is Lisa Ann. [imdb.com]
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FWIW Marjorie never said "Jewish Space Lasers", and Sarah Palin never said "I can see Russia from my porch". I don't agree with either of them politically but I think it's important to be fair and not make bad faith attacks against them, "for the lulz".
I disagree with the assertion this characterization was unfair or otherwise made in bad faith. MTG did indeed speak of Rothschild satellites causing forest fires in California.
"oddly there are all these people who have said they saw what looked like lasers or blue beams of light causing the fires"
"If they are beaming the suns energy back to Earth, Iâ(TM)m sure they wouldnâ(TM)t ever miss a transmitter receiving station right??!! I mean mistakes are never made when anything new is invented. What w
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This is trolling? Nice job, mod.