Norway Reaches 97% EV Sales as EVs Now Outnumber Diesels On Its Roads (electrek.co) 199
Norway has released its December and full year 2025 automotive sales numbers and the world's leading EV haven has broken records once again. The country had previously targeted an end to fossil car sales in 2025, and it basically got there. From a report: In 2017, Norway set a formal non-binding target to end fossil car sales in the country by 2025 -- a target earlier than any other country in the world by several years. Norway was already well ahead of the world in EV adoption, with about a third of new cars being electric at the time -- but it wanted to schedule the final blow for just 8 years later, fairly short as far as automotive timelines go.
At the time, many (though not us at Electrek) considered this to be an optimistic goal, and figured that it might get pushed back. But Norway did not budge in its target (unlike more cowardly nations). And it turns out, when you set a realistic goal, craft policy around it, and don't act all wishy-washy or change your mind every few years, you can actually get things done. (In fact, Europe currently has around the same EV sales level as Norway did 10 years ahead of its 100% goal -- which means Europe's former 100% 2035 goal is still eminently achievable)
At the time, many (though not us at Electrek) considered this to be an optimistic goal, and figured that it might get pushed back. But Norway did not budge in its target (unlike more cowardly nations). And it turns out, when you set a realistic goal, craft policy around it, and don't act all wishy-washy or change your mind every few years, you can actually get things done. (In fact, Europe currently has around the same EV sales level as Norway did 10 years ahead of its 100% goal -- which means Europe's former 100% 2035 goal is still eminently achievable)
Look Behind the Curtain (Score:5, Interesting)
Good for them! As one of the world's largest exporters of oil, they shouldn't be wasting it on domestic uses.
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Re: Look Behind the Curtain (Score:3, Insightful)
The hypocrisy of funding their countries "green" lifestyle by selling crude tends to stick in peoples throats.
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Why? Has the nation or Norway made statement chastising the rest of the world for using oil? Have they made hypocritical statements?
Or is this just how you perceive them based on the news you hear?
You don't actually even have to even believe in climate change or harmful emissions at all to acknowledge the advantages of electric vehicles. Even Suadi Arabia is targeting 50k chargers by 2030 and a big EV investment.
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So the action of selling the oil itself is enough to declare the entire nation hypocritical, even if they don't say or do much to anyone else outside of that. Are they doing sanctions against other nations? Are they making statements decrying the other nations?
Seriously, I don't think you've justified this position at all, can you give us anything else besides the fact that Norway has and sells a bunch of oil and they've also invested heavily into electric vehicles. That's it? On it's face there is nothi
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If they truly believed in environmentalism
"Appeal to motive." You don't know what goes in their minds. The word "environment" isn't in TFA at all. Norway isn't all clear regarding environmental protection https://www.newsinenglish.no/2... [newsinenglish.no]
There is nothing hypocrite for Norway (or Saudi Arabia) to target the use of cars that are superior in every aspect at least in the conditions available in their country.
Re: Look Behind the Curtain (Score:2)
Vehicles with low range compred to ICEs particularly in the cold are far from being the most suitable vehicles in a mountainous arctic circle country. But believe the propaganda if it makes you feel better.
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Your information is out of date. Read this [autoblog.com] if you want current information. Most EVs now have similar range to typical ICE cars, and the effect of cold on range is similar for both EVs and ICEs, usually about 15%.
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It's not about me, it's 97% of Norway residents that found that those cars were the best option for their climate and lifestyle.
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If it were a problem, they wouldn't have bought the cars. The whole point is that the problem you think exists (oh nos! the cold!) turns out not to be a problem after all, as demonstrated by the widespread adoption of EVs in this mountainous arctic circle country.
If adoption had peaked at, say 30%, and then fallen back with Norwegians complaining their EVs didn't work for them in the cold, then you'd be able to point to that evidence. But instead, the evidence points the other way entirely
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When a highly education, relatively low population, oil-rich country with a very cold climate and dispersed population makes this kind of news, we should be celebrating their results instead of trying to find every f
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Norway has large resources of hydroelectricity, and this is not as easily exported as oil. It just makes economical sense to put the domestic electricity to good use instead of burning oil you could sell abroad. It has nothing to do with being green, but all with being business savvy. But instead of acknowledging how someone can sell stuff he does not need, y
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There's nothing hypocritical about it. The difference is that they invested the gains of their resources while other countries are blowing it on whatever. There is nothing to be gained by not having this money. Oil is a 100% fungible asset. Norway not pumping oil will not result in you not filling your car, all it will result is in you filling your car directing profits to someone other than Norway who may as stupidly as the UK not spend it on meaningfully reducing emissions.
Please stop making a fool of you
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If they didn't do this, you wouldn't stop using oil. Because they have done it, EV sales have increased all over Europe and the rest of the world. The tech has advanced faster than it would have, and demand for oil is lower than it would have been.
In the imperfect world we live in, they did the right thing.
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You know what they say, don't get high on your supply.
Elektrek burries lede. 2/3rds of fleet fossil (Score:2)
I like EVs and all. But elektrek buries the lede, but at least mentions it:
a) 2/3rds of registered cars still fossil. so about 1/3 electric 1/3 diesel 1/3 gas
But even with this victory, Norway isn’t ready to sit still. OFV director Geir Inge Stokke took the moment to remind everyone that “two out of three passenger cars on the road still run on fossil fuels.. so even though this is an important milestone, we must continue working towards an emission-free vehicle fleet.”
b) The EV sales for the 2nd half of the year were juiced because of expiring incentives.
The end-of-year surge in EV sales was helped by retiring incentives. Earlier this year, Norway declared victory on its 100% EV goal, and changed the generous incentive structure that had helped the country reach these heights.
The incentive will now be reduced for more expensive EVs (those costing over 300k NOK, or ~$30k), which led to a rush to buy higher-priced EVs, including Teslas.
(those are discounts via VAT exemptions. so i think they became like 25% discounts. This year they dropped the price limit from $50k to ~$30K they're fully expiring by 2027. But they also promised to crank up ICE taxes even more to "make sure E
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seems to me that electric cars are simple, they don't make much noise, and don't burp out CO2.
Modern electric cars are AWESOME, as long as you have a place to charge them on the cheap every night or three (like at your house).
Then they're in the same ballpark as gas cars in terms of TCO. (they're cheaper to run and have cheaper maintenance, but it's not clear if you come out ahead at 3 , 5 , 10 years ownership. so same ballpark).
At public charging, gas is slightly cheaper (most places in the US, but not always). And maybe it'll take an extra maybe 2 hours per 1000 miles (assuming newish EV usin
Re: Elektrek burries lede. 2/3rds of fleet fossil (Score:2)
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What? When have you lived through this, exactly? You've said many times on here that you have never had and never intend to have an EV, and that this goes for your whole family. You don't have home charging and would find it difficult to install because of where your breaker board is. I think you're pretending to have experienced this to make a point, but that's shoddy behaviour.
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Ohhhh! I forgot that part of it. Stupid me, sorry! You’re right and I was completely wrong.
Re: Elektrek burries lede. 2/3rds of fleet fossil (Score:2)
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Just accepting the apology with good grace would have been sufficient.
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Bit silly to say they buried the lede. *You* may consider the only important metric to be installed base, but many other people over many years consider percentage share of new sales to be a very important metric too, because it speaks to future market direction and isn't affected by things like scrappage age. The current rate of replacement, by the way, is about 7 percentage points a year. So another ten years or so till the installed base is all converted. (170k new EV sales a year, 1.5m fossil fuel cars
Easier for Norway (Score:3)
The main difference is that Norway isn't dependent on manufacturing capacity. The Norwegian market can easily be met with existing EV manufacturing capacity. If a country like the U.S. wanted to completely convert, you'd need the automakers to massively scale EV production. That can't be done as quickly as simply switching buying patterns. China is actually going the route of scaling manufacturing, but they are still around 50/50 for new car sales with EV/gas and China is pretty unmatched when it comes to scaling up manufacturing.
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European OEMs are doing fine in scaling EV manufacturing capacity to meet demand. Manufacturing capacity isn't the bottleneck. Consumer sentiment, government policies, OEM profitability, are bottlenecks.
EV's with high horsepower are not green (Score:3)
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Environmental friendliness is a continuum, not a binary.
Once again for the people who need to hear it: active transport > public transport > private EVs >>> private ICE cars.
It's almost as if massive subsidies on EVs... (Score:3)
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while it does not change the different circumstances not favoring EVs elsewhere.
Circumstances change. I didn't favour EV in the slightest, how would I charge it, it's so inconvenient. Even with subsidies I had no intention of buying an EV. Then I moved to a different country, ironically one with *lower* incentives for EVs and bought an EV. Why? Because that country changed the circumstances.
Taxes and subsidies alone don't make something viable. Norway has insanely good infrastructure for EVs, so does where I live now. Infrastructure that makes owning EVs less of a hassle than owning an
Cheap electricity and expensive gasoline (Score:2)
Gas price USD 8/gallon
Electricity 0.15/kwh
Compare that to California:
Gas prices: USD 4.2/ga
Electricity: 0.35/kwh.
If you get 3.5 miles/kwh and 28 miles/ga and drive 12000/yr, your fuel cost saving in California is USD 600/yr. Not enough to justify range anxiety, future battery replacement cost and higher initial investment.
For Norway, it would be close to USD 3000/yr. Definitely worth it.
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Good point and stats as a reference. Now consider that in much of California, gas is mid $3 range and if you need to charge on the road, it's running around $.47/kwh. I just did a road trip this weekend. Tesla superchargers can be $.35 if you fill up off peak. And, if you put gas in the car off the freeway, it's more like $4+ range, but that's the beauty of gas cars, a 250 mile road trip is easy on a single tank of gas so you fill up where it's cheaper in the home neighborhoods.
And I drive a Model Y. It's a
About 10 years till 100% plugin, roughly (Score:2)
There are about 750k petrol and 970k diesels left on Norwegian roads, and 170k EVs are bought each year. So the fleet will be roughly 100% plugin after another decade. A bit more complicated because obviously there’s about 15% share of hybrid/PHEV also, and there’ll be a long tail, etc. But the transition will be basically done in a decade, with non-EVs being like CRT TVs or CD players.
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I don't live in Norway either, but I'm happy to learn about other places. It's especially refreshing to know that there are still some progressive countries out there.
Veldig bra, Norge!
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Presumably, you don't give a flying fuck about the the contaminated air and other fossil fuel pollution in your own country. If you did, this evidence that an entire economic ecosystem can be changed in 10 years, means the pollution in your country is a choice.
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They're also 80-90% native Norwegians, so diversity of morals and perceptions isn't much of an issue there either.
So having Norwegian ancestors makes you want to buy an EV?
Re:I Love This For Them (Score:5, Funny)
It's their genetic memory of their ancestors' electric longboats.
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Their population only being between 5 and 6 million people does make it a little less impressive.
No it doesn't. Everything in a nation scales. 5-6 million people instead of America's 350million means they only have 1.5% of the potential GDP, 1.5% of the potential workforce to enact change, 1.5% of the capabilities. Everything needs to be looked at in terms of capabilities per capita as capabilities otherwise typically scale with population. There's no evidence that a Norwegian is any better or faster at installing a charging pole than an America. There's no evidence that a Norwegian replaces their car
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To add to this: Norway has a lower population density than USA. So building charging stations should be doable with the amount of americans and land they have.
However.. I have to say that charger density is not equal between different parts of Norway. It _is_ mainly focused around the most populous areas.
Also, east to west is only 500km (~300 miles). But then again, I believe most americans rarely drive across states on their daily commute.
I have an EV with 280km (175 miles) range. About 2/3 of that in wint
Re:I Love This For Them (Score:4)
Regarding the scaling argument, I should also note that many in the US often make an argument about relatively low population density being a problem for infrastructure. This often comes up as an excuse for not having a decent railway system or poor communications systems coverage, etc. relative to other nations. However, Norway is 6X less population dense than the US and charging infrastructure is another one of those infrastructure questions for which relative low population density is used as an excuse for in the US. So, with Norway's much lower population density, the fact that they can still manage to go all EV makes their accomplishment even more impressive.
Re: I Love This For Them (Score:2, Troll)
Stupidity hurts, yes. Thankfully it hurts the idiot the most, sadly they are too stupid to realize that.
People mad at EVs reach peak dumbass.
Re: What an ironic comment (Score:2)
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I'm guessing you're talking about the Donut lab battery. Fingers crossed. I've seen some reasonably informed speculation that it's actually a capacitor, in which case they'd have to have solved both energy density and self-discharge, which would be quite the technical feat.
They claim to be able to scale up, and here's really hoping they have built something that works and that it can.
Meantime, we do for sure have sodium batteries on the way from CATL this year, and that will at least address the cold weathe
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That's completely upside down! Making solid state batteries that manage dendrite growth etc well enough has been an insuperable issue thus far, even for the battery manufacturers spending huge amounts of money trying to produce them.
But chargers are easy. It's just a big plug socket. If you can get electricity there, you can have a charger. Public chargers are 10x as prevalent as petrol stations in the UK. Private chargers are more than 100x as prevalent. On top of that, SSBs promise significantly longer ra
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Seems like you’re focused on the potential for SSBs to speed up charging.
1. Car charging is already feasible in under 10 minutes, with the correct battery and charger. So SSBs can offer marginal improvements here, but not that dramatic.
2. As I said above, SSBs offer the potential for much longer range. And I pointed out that this helps the overnight domestic use case in particular, cutting the frequency with which you have to charge
3. On your specific question, it takes more power but the same amount
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I'm an avid Heinlein fan, but I don't remember him talking about SSBs. Which book? I will go back and re-read
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Thanks. Been ages since I read that. I remember the floating Eyes, but have forgotten lots of this book. Am going to reread now!
Dang but he was prescient.
Re: What an ironic comment (Score:2)
Re: Something to learn (Score:2, Insightful)
Of course. If you have a huge country with a small population then setting up enough charging stations isnt an issue. There are 4 million private cars in norway. There are 34 million here in the uk, a country just over half Norway's land area with very crowded cities and many flats and houses with zero off street parking or any kind of parking at all so charging at home is a non starter for them. Meanwhile theres nowhere to put charging stations and no, all the streets cant be dug up to install street charg
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I'm coming around to wireless charging. Putting a strip of wireless charging coils along a tight street is expensive, but doable. It would be ideal if they could make capacitive work, since it can use a lot less copper, but even inductive is doable.
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It takes 10 times longer to charge an EV than fill an ICE car so instead of 8 pumps you'll need 80 chargers in an area with no home charging to serve the same number of vehicles. This really isnt rocket science.
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No, it isn't. Yes public EV chargers are increasing but no, most flats don't have EV charging, a lot don't even have parking and we don't have nearly as many malls as you per head of population.
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Yeah, if it takes twice as long to charge you need twice as many charging stations. Not rocket science. Makes perfect sense if you think 5 second about it.
Just whatever you do, don't think 6 seconds about it.
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I have had a charger for 10 years at home. It has yet to be vandalized for the copper. In fact, I've not met a single person whose charger has been vandalized for copper, and I live in a part of London where a lot of people have chargers. Maybe focus on the real world instead of this weird imaginary threat world.
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Of course. If you have a huge country with a small population then setting up enough charging stations isnt an issue. There are 4 million private cars in norway. There are 34 million here in the uk, a country just over half Norway's land area with very crowded cities and many flats and houses with zero off street parking or any kind of parking at all so charging at home is a non starter for them. Meanwhile theres nowhere to put charging stations and no, all the streets cant be dug up to install street charger or uprate the supply to street lamps to install there of which there arnt nearly enough anyway.
In the face of these differences between the UK (or the US) and Norway, a pessimist would conclude that the differences are substantial, and Norway's approach is just not practical. An optimist would instead look to find similarities between Norway and individual US states, and say that Norway's approach might be worth looking into for a state like California, or Minnesota, ... or Scotland.
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I tend to compare the two - similar wealth by population, similar population density, similar city rural divide, etc... Still large enough to need recharging on longer trips.
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"California, or Minnesota"
I don't think ICE vehicles are very popular in those states right now
Re: Something to learn (Score:2)
Show me a street light that used even 7.5kw never mind 150kw.
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The street was torn up for fibre, it can be torn up for more copper ... in theory.
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Street lamp charging doesn't *need* to be at 150kW, ffs. It happens at 5kW, because it's destination charging intended for overnight usage. You keep making this fundamental mistake of thinking of the use cases for EV charging being identical to refuelling. They're not, because the underlying modalities are different.
ICE cars get fast predictable energy transfer, but need a dedicated stop at one of a relatively small number of specialist locations. The driver has to stay with the vehicle and payment is a for
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"My car has been plugged in for the last three days at home"
Well lucky you having home charging. What about those who commute by car 5 days a week and don't have any off street parking at home? Btw, even in a street of houses - never mind flats - there is about 1 lamp post per 4 or 5 houses. How does that square with charging from them?
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1. Nice job at completely ignoring the big points I was making, including addressing the silly idea that lamp posts need 150kW charging instead of the 5kW charging they actually do use (with the spare capacity coming from the switch from incandescent to LEDs)
2. 70% of cars are parked off street overnight. So yes, lucky me, but not *especially* lucky. Most drivers in the UK are similarly lucky. And when we are all doing home charging, we are freeing up the public charger network for those who don't have home
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At first I thought you were being sarcastic. Because obviously it's much easier to install enough chargers where the population density is high. When people are very spread out, it takes a lot more chargers to make sure you're close to one wherever you go, and then fewer people use each charger making them less profitable.
Then I realized you were being serious and had to back up and try to figure out your logic. I'm not sure I've figured it out, but maybe you aren't familiar with typical EV chargers?
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1. The UK model at the moment is that the charger companies pay to install and then make a commercial return from their charging fees. There's a reasonable argument that it would be better to treat it like a regulated public asset, instead, but that's for another day
2. UK chargers now take contactless payments, by and large, ie tap your credit card or device to pay
Re: Something to learn (Score:5, Interesting)
I love when people make comparisons they fail to make them meaningful. For example the UK's population density makes it far more suitable and efficient to install curbside chargers. There's plenty of space (they don't take up any in any meaningful way). The UK's population and GDP makes the country also equally if not more capable to get the same achievement. Your population gives you greater physical resources and your density resolves a major issue of transmission.
Why not look across the channel? The Netherlands has a far higher population density than the UK (so in theory even worse by your own metrics) and yet they are lightyears ahead of the UK in terms of EV adoption, which straight away should tell you the entire premise of your post is bullshit.
Effectively the first reply to you (which you obviously ignorantly shat on) was right. You've tried nothing and you're out of ideas, and you do that because you are you, cynical and negative about any potential development.
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Sometimes it's because the country is more sparsely populated than Norway, sometimes it's because it's too densely populated.
They actually had similar problems in Norway. They fixed them.
As for "we can't dig up roads", we did when companies installed cable TV, and then again when some of the fibre went in.
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I love your creativity. Normally, it's the anti-EV folks in the US who get in first to say that Norway is tiny with a large population, and that's why they can make EVs work where they wouldn't in America. But no, you've come here, straight-faced, claiming that the UK doesn't have the space to be able to install enough chargers. There are about 34m cars in the UK, of which about 23m are parked off-street. They can all have a charger installed. Then the other 11m can share the rest of the infra, and no, peop
Re: Something to learn (Score:2)
That's one of the best arguments I've read for "the UK needs better public transport". Relying on individual private cars with high population density makes no sense, electric engine or not.
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The current government is full of shit and prioritisises virtue signalling words over actually doing something. Plus they're skint so no public funds for chargers.
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Just one important nuance: there were 87,168 *public* EV charging points in Nov 2025, and more than 1,000,000 private chargers, ie more than ten times as many. There are about 1.5m EVs on the road today, so about two thirds don't primarily rely on the public network. Assuming 500,000 EVs reliant on the public network, that's one charger for every 6 EVs. So each EV could be charging for more than a day a week. This explains why the utilisation ratio for public chargers is only about 14%; there's just not tha
Re:Something to learn (Score:5, Insightful)
Extremely high rate of private parking. An electricity grid dimensioned for resistive heating now sitting around with excess capacity. Oil wealth.
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I know a lot of people will have a gut reaction to want to immediately find and point out the unique aspects of Norway that make its various successes possible, but take a moment to ponder, and first look at whether there might be anything to learn.
Thinking before ranting is not the average /.'ers core competency.
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I know a lot of people will have a gut reaction to want to immediately find and point out the unique aspects of Norway that make its various successes possible, but take a moment to ponder, and first look at whether there might be anything to learn.
Thinking before ranting is not the average /.'ers core competency.
True - Although I think we all have that devil on one shoulder (saying "punch back") and an angel on the other (suggesting a more contemplative response). In this age of mostly anonymous, quickfire communication, the devil often gets the upper hand ("Go on, just hit enter on that - No one knows it's you"). But I think that the Slashdot community includes a lot of intelligent people, who appreciate a thoughtful, rational approach to solving problems. So I don't think the angel on the other shoulder is quite
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So I don't think the angel on the other shoulder is quite dead yet.
A glass half full type of person, I see.
While I like the idea of the (wine) glass never being less than half full, I am not sure we still live in that world. I will be more than pleased to learn that knowledge and facts will defeat stupid, while I am no longer sure that is our (at least in the US) future.
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So I don't think the angel on the other shoulder is quite dead yet.
A glass half full type of person, I see.
While I like the idea of the (wine) glass never being less than half full, I am not sure we still live in that world. I will be more than pleased to learn that knowledge and facts will defeat stupid, while I am no longer sure that is our (at least in the US) future.
I wish the US all the best in that struggle.
Even with the troubles you face at the moment, I somehow still feel that a country that was able to summon the optimism, idealism and confidence that turned the moon from an idea into a place, can probably find their way through.
Massive Sovereign Wealth Fund Helps a Lot (Score:2)
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Norway's sovereign wealth fund is over $2,000,000,000,000. Yes 2 trillion dollars. The country can afford to put chargers practically anywhere. Pretty helpful selling the idea then.
Norway subsidised some of the EV infrastructure initially, but once EV uptake was high enough this was moved to commercial operators, without direct subsidies.
Norway is indeed rich. But the US is not a poor country, and the US government does subsidise certain things. It subsidises roads to the tune of tens of billions of dollars annually. I suspect that if EV was a priority for the US government it could subsidise with sufficient muster to get it off the ground. I think it's just a choice rather than somet
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You need to look at a map. Seriously. It's entirely true that the land area is pretty small, but you need to look at the shape of the country.
Take a look at this:
https://thetruesize.com/#?bord... [thetruesize.com]
You also have to realize that Norway is quite, quite rural. There's a one "big" city (Oslo), then smaller cities like Bergen, Trondheim, Kristiansand and Stavanger. Tromsà is also considered a relatively big city here - population is 80.000 .
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Montana is completely unimportant in the larger picture of the US. 99.5%+ of Americans don't live in Montana. 80% of Americans live in urban and suburban areas, and the vast majority of their trips are local.
You also are completely wrong about rural suitability. A farmer who sticks up some solar and a battery can charge their cars (and indeed their tractors, one day), without having to waste 30 minutes to get to the not-very-local gas station. That's more convenient, not less. And the vast majority of farme
Re: So what? (Score:2)